IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > noticed > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > CCNP > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > hundreds of people on this board ... > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > means > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > and > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > is > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > HTH > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Mike; > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > positions > > state how > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > exceptions > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > in > > the programing field. > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > the resources for > > people to obtain experience. > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > for > > people to work in when > > studying for their certification that are > affordable > > or that it can be obtain. > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > they should do volunteer > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > started programs in > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming > > certified. Why did they do > > that > > > > What amazes me is how these people, that you are > > seeing, have passed the test > > > > my 03 cents worth. > > > > respectfully, > > adele > > > > Mike Davis wrote: > > > > > I will probably get yelled at for this one > but... > > > > > > I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the > > CCIE. > > > So up front I am not against certs. > > > > > > I am becoming aware of more and more people > > becoming > > > Cisco certified and not know enough to go and > > actually > > > do the work. Our company has and is interviewing > > for > > > network folks, I have the opportunity to > interview > > > these people to verify technical experience. I > > have > > > had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks > > who > > > could not tell me what they 'should' acutally > > know. > > > > > > This scares me because I am also working hard > > toward > > > my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven > and > > is > > > showing up more that these people are becoming > > "paper" > > > Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. > > > > > > I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will > remain > > as > > > difficult if not more so in the future. I for > one > > do > > > not want to spend a year of my life gaining the > > CCIE > > > title to be one among thousands who also have > it. > > > > > > That is my insite and hope Cisco will > > > try to make it more difficult to obtain the > > CCNP/DP > > > and not become another MCSE program. > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://p
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > noticed > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > CCNP > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > hundreds of people on this board ... > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > means > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > and > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > is > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > HTH > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Mike; > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > positions > > state how > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > exceptions > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > in > > the programing field. > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > the resources for > > people to obtain experience. > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > for > > people to work in when > > studying for their certification that are > affordable > > or that it can be obtain. > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > they should do volunteer > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > started programs in > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming > > certified. Why did they do > > that > > > > What amazes me is how these people, that you are > > seeing, have passed the test > > > > my 03 cents worth. > > > > respectfully, > > adele > > > > Mike Davis wrote: > > > > > I will probably get yelled at for this one > but... > > > > > > I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the > > CCIE. > > > So up front I am not against certs. > > > > > > I am becoming aware of more and more people > > becoming > > > Cisco certified and not know enough to go and > > actually > > > do the work. Our company has and is interviewing > > for > > > network folks, I have the opportunity to > interview > > > these people to verify technical experience. I > > have > > > had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks > > who > > > could not tell me what they 'should' acutally > > know. > > > > > > This scares me because I am also working hard > > toward > > > my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven > and > > is > > > showing up more that these people are becoming > > "paper" > > > Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. > > > > > > I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will > remain > > as > > > difficult if not more so in the future. I for > one > > do > > > not want to spend a year of my life gaining the > > CCIE > > > title to be one among thousands who also have > it. > > > > > > That is my insite and hope Cisco will > > > try to make it more difficult to obtain the > > CCNP/DP > > > and not become another M
RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and 12.2 isn't even out yet. >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> Hi Everyone. Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: Router Rip Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 on the CIT course now. I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based routing some more. My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) Heather Buri CSC Technology Services - Houston Phone: (713)-961-8592 Fax:(713)-961-8249 Mobile: Alpha Page: Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd Suite 500 Houston, TX 77056 -Original Message- From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! --- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > noticed > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > CCNP > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > hundreds of people on this board ... > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > means > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > and > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > is > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > HTH > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Mike; > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > positions > > state how > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > exceptions > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > in > > the programing field. > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > the resources for > > people to obtain experience. > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > for > > people to work in when > > studying for their certification that are > affordable > > or that it can be obtain. > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > they should do volunteer > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > started programs in > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming > > certified. Why did they do > > that > > > > What amazes me is how these people, that you are > > seeing, have passed the test > > > > my 03 cents worth. > > > > respectfully, > > adele > > > > Mike Davis wrote: > > > > > I wil
RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
unless he's talking about some private area on CCO there is no 13 yet I'm still waiting on 12.1 to go GD! Tim > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > John Neiberger > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > > Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and > 12.2 isn't even out yet. > > >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> > Hi Everyone. > > Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I > have > to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some > good > time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a > whole > day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced > class! > My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > > Router Rip > > Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier > because too > many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > > Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself > $2000 > on the CIT course now. > > I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy > Based > routing some more. > > My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This > was > news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, > has > anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did > away > with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew > it was > coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > > Heather Buri > CSC Technology Services - Houston > > Phone:(713)-961-8592 > Fax: (713)-961-8249 > Mobile: > Alpha Page: > > Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd >Suite 500 >Houston, TX 77056 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM > To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX > > > I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I > know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network > their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that > you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a > guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that > have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! > > > --- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > > noticed > > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > > CCNP > > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > > hundreds of people on this board ... > > > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > > means > > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > > and > > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > > is > > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Mike; > > > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > > positions > > > state how > > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > > exceptions > > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > > in > > > the programing field. > > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > > the resources for > > > people to obtain experience. > > > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > > for > > > people to work in when > > > studying for their certification that are > > affordable > > > or that it can be obtain. > > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > > they should do volunteer > > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > > started programs in > > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming > > > certified. Why did they do > > > that > > > > > > What amazes me is how these people, that you are &g
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
This doesn't make me feel like taking a course from GK anytime soon. Making a simple mistake that it exists is one thing but saying its been out for "some time" is scary. Yep, this instructor is "up to date" with Cisco IOS. SO up to date he's seeing the future. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "John Neiberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and > 12.2 isn't even out yet. > > >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> > Hi Everyone. > > Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I > have > to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some > good > time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a > whole > day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced > class! > My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > > Router Rip > > Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier > because too > many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > > Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself > $2000 > on the CIT course now. > > I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy > Based > routing some more. > > My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This > was > news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, > has > anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did > away > with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew > it was > coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > > Heather Buri > CSC Technology Services - Houston > > Phone: (713)-961-8592 > Fax: (713)-961-8249 > Mobile: > Alpha Page: > > Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd > Suite 500 > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM > To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX > > > I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I > know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network > their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that > you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a > guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that > have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! > > > --- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > > noticed > > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > > CCNP > > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > > hundreds of people on this board ... > > > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > > means > > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > > and > > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > > is > > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Mike; > > > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > > positions > > > state how > > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > > exceptions > > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > > in > > > the programing field. > > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > > the resources for > > > people to obtain experience. > > > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > > for > > > people to work in when > > > studying for their certification that are > > affordable > > > or that it can be obtain. > > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > > they should do volunteer > > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > > started programs in > > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming > > > certified. Why did they do > > > that > > > > > > What ama
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Chances are that your instructor was driving a cab or installing security alarms for a living a few months ago... Read the course material for factual information related to the exam. I wouldn't rely heavily on anything that an instructor said - there's not a lot of "value-add" there... Z >From: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:41:14 -0600 > >Hi Everyone. > >Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have >to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good >time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a >whole >day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! >My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > >Router Rip > >Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because >too >many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > >Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 >on the CIT course now. > >I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy >Based >routing some more. > >My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was >news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has >anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away >with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it >was >coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > >Heather Buri >CSC Technology Services - Houston > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 >Fax: (713)-961-8249 >Mobile: >Alpha Page: > >Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd >Suite 500 >Houston, TX 77056 > > > >-Original Message- >From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM >To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX > > >I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I >know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network >their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that >you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a >guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that >have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! > > >--- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > > noticed > > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > > CCNP > > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > > hundreds of people on this board ... > > > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > > means > > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > > and > > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > > is > > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Mike; > > > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > > positions > > > state how > > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > > exceptions > > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > > in > > > the programing field. > > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > > the resources for > > > people to obtain experience. > > > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > > for > > > people to work in when > > > studying for their certification that are > > affordable > > > or that it can be obtain. > > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > > they should do volunteer > > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > > started programs in > > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming > > > certified. Why did they do > > > that > > > > > > What amazes me is how these people, that you are > > > seeing, have passed the test > > > > > > my 03 cents worth. > > > > > > respectfully, > > > adele > > >
RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could ask for your money back... BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more intuitive. Not. &;-) Priscilla At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: >Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know >what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version >but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. >And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from >being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) > >Heather Buri >CSC Technology Services - Houston > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 >Fax:(713)-961-8249 >Mobile: >Alpha Page: > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > Suite 500 > Houston, TX 77056 > > > >-Original Message- >From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > >Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and >12.2 isn't even out yet. > > >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> >Hi Everyone. > >Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I >have >to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some >good >time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a >whole >day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced >class! >My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > >Router Rip > >Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier >because too >many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > >Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself >$2000 >on the CIT course now. > >I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy >Based >routing some more. > >My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This >was >news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, >has >anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did >away >with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew >it was >coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > >Heather Buri >CSC Technology Services - Houston > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 >Fax:(713)-961-8249 >Mobile: >Alpha Page: > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > Suite 500 > Houston, TX 77056 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
When I do my first lab of BGP, I use cisco 2500 with version 11.2. Ask for your money back! Johnny Sun >Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could >ask for your money back... > >BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more >intuitive. Not. &;-) > >Priscilla > >At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: >>Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know >>what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version >>but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. >>And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from >>being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) >> >>Heather Buri >>CSC Technology Services - Houston >> >>Phone: (713)-961-8592 >>Fax:(713)-961-8249 >>Mobile: >>Alpha Page: >> >>Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd >> Suite 500 >> Houston, TX 77056 >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... >> >> >>Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and >>12.2 isn't even out yet. >> >> >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> >>Hi Everyone. >> >>Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I >>have >>to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some >>good >>time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a >>whole >>day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced >>class! >>My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: >> >>Router Rip >> >>Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier >>because too >>many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: >> >>Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself >>$2000 >>on the CIT course now. >> >>I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy >>Based >>routing some more. >> >>My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This >>was >>news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, >>has >>anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did >>away >>with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew >>it was >>coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) >> >>Heather Buri >>CSC Technology Services - Houston >> >>Phone: (713)-961-8592 >>Fax:(713)-961-8249 >>Mobile: >>Alpha Page: >> >>Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd >> Suite 500 >> Houston, TX 77056 > > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer >http://www.priscilla.com > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Your instructor's actions don't sound much in line with the real world. Version 13 does not exist & the IOS versions are only up to 12.1.(7). The closest GD is 12.0(9) & Write Mem works on my 12.1(x) 4500 router. Lastly- I cannot believe someone teaching Routing 2.0 class would cover RIP & not have time to cover BGP or OSPF. I'm taking that test Thursday & my co-workers (some have taken it a recent as last week) tell me the exam is 80% BGP & 20% OSPF. RIP is a CCNA topic. I'd be inclined to call Global Knowledge about this class. I get just under $5,000 a year in training money & this would infuriate me to know I blew a chance getting ahead... Phil - Original Message - From: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > Hi Everyone. > > Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have > to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good > time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a whole > day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! > My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > > Router Rip > > Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because too > many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > > Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 > on the CIT course now. > > I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy Based > routing some more. > > My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was > news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has > anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away > with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it was > coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > > Heather Buri > CSC Technology Services - Houston > > Phone: (713)-961-8592 > Fax: (713)-961-8249 > Mobile: > Alpha Page: > > Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd > Suite 500 > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM > To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX > > > I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I > know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network > their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that > you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a > guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that > have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! > > > --- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > > noticed > > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > > CCNP > > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > > hundreds of people on this board ... > > > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > > means > > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > > and > > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > > is > > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Mike; > > > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > > positions > > > state how > > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > > exceptions > > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > > in > > > the programing field. > > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > > the resources for > > > people to obtain experience. > > > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > > for > > > people to work in when > > > studying for their certification that are > > affordable > > > or that it can be obtain. > > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > > they should do volunteer > > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > > started programs in > > > San Jose for the welfare people to start
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
No Way Priscilla... "wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? Phil - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could > ask for your money back... > > BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more > intuitive. Not. &;-) > > Priscilla > > At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: > >Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know > >what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version > >but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. > >And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from > >being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) > > > >Heather Buri > >CSC Technology Services - Houston > > > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 > >Fax:(713)-961-8249 > >Mobile: > >Alpha Page: > > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > > Suite 500 > > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > > > > >Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and > >12.2 isn't even out yet. > > > > >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> > >Hi Everyone. > > > >Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I > >have > >to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some > >good > >time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a > >whole > >day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced > >class! > >My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > > > >Router Rip > > > >Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier > >because too > >many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > > > >Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself > >$2000 > >on the CIT course now. > > > >I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy > >Based > >routing some more. > > > >My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This > >was > >news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, > >has > >anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did > >away > >with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew > >it was > >coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > > > >Heather Buri > >CSC Technology Services - Houston > > > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 > >Fax:(713)-961-8249 > >Mobile: > >Alpha Page: > > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > > Suite 500 > > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
At 05:05 AM 3/20/01, Circusnuts wrote: >No Way Priscilla... > >"wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I >agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what >have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? I say she should go for it. Most training partners are very concerned with customer satisfaction and try their best to offer high-quality classes. My guess is that her instructor was new. That happens. (It can be extremely difficult to teach a new class, but that's not her problem &;-) If they won't give her a refund, they might at least let her attend again for free. I realize it can be hard to get away again and possibly spend more travel money, but it's better than nothing. Priscilla >Phil > >- Original Message - >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM >Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > > > Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You >could > > ask for your money back... > > > > BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more > > intuitive. Not. &;-) > > > > Priscilla > > > > At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: > > >Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not >know > > >what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent >version > > >but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's >either. > > >And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from > > >being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) > > > > > >Heather Buri > > >CSC Technology Services - Houston > > > > > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 > > >Fax:(713)-961-8249 > > >Mobile: > > >Alpha Page: > > > > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > > > Suite 500 > > > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > > > > > > > >Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and > > >12.2 isn't even out yet. > > > > > > >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> > > >Hi Everyone. > > > > > >Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I > > >have > > >to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some > > >good > > >time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a > > >whole > > >day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced > > >class! > > >My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > > > > > >Router Rip > > > > > >Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier > > >because too > > >many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > > > > > >Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself > > >$2000 > > >on the CIT course now. > > > > > >I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy > > >Based > > >routing some more. > > > > > >My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This > > >was > > >news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, > > >has > > >anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did > > >away > > >with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew > > >it was > > >coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > > > > > >Heather Buri > > >CSC Technology Services - Houston > > > > > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 > > >Fax:(713)-961-8249 > > >Mobile: > > >Alpha Page: > > > > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > > > Suite 500 > > > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > http://www.priscilla.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
Yipe. I just now noticed this thread, and it breaks my heart to hear stories like this. Global Knowledge classes are guaranteed. I'm not sure Heather could get her money back inasmuch as she did sit the entire class, but I am certain they will let her sit the class again with a more experienced instructor. Hey, I'm teaching BSCN in Arlington, VA for Global Knowledge the week of April 23 . . . not scheduled for any Texas trips any time soon. For future reference, Global Knowledge WILL refund your money or reschedule you if you return your materials to the instructor by the end of the first day. Instructors are supposed to emphasize that during the introductory remarks. When you schedule the class, talk to the customer service people and ask them about the instructor. The best questions to ask are, "how long has this person been a Cisco-certified instructor," and "how many times has this person taught this class." The instructor schedules are published about a month in advance of the classes. I hope you won't get a bad impression of all Global Knowledge instructors because of this one. I have had the distinct pleasure of auditing BSCN, CATM and OSPF/BGP classes since joining Global Knowledge, and the instructors in each case were outstanding in every way, but beyond outstanding in terms of technical knowledge. And I'm a tough critic, believe me. For example, how about having CATM taught by someone who participated in the development of the protocols as a member of the ATM Forum working groups? Or BGP taught by someone whose consulting practice focuses on designing networks for national ISPs. And of course, the groupstudy.com founder, Paul Borghese, is a Global Knowledge instructor. ;-) Pamela On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > At 05:05 AM 3/20/01, Circusnuts wrote: > >No Way Priscilla... > > > >"wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I > >agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what > >have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? > > I say she should go for it. Most training partners are very concerned with > customer satisfaction and try their best to offer high-quality classes. My > guess is that her instructor was new. That happens. (It can be extremely > difficult to teach a new class, but that's not her problem &;-) If they > won't give her a refund, they might at least let her attend again for free. > I realize it can be hard to get away again and possibly spend more travel > money, but it's better than nothing. > > Priscilla > > > >Phil > > > >- Original Message ----- > >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM > >Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > > > > > > Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You > >could > > > ask for your money back... > > > > > > BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more > > > intuitive. Not. &;-) > > > > > > Priscilla > > > > > > At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: > > > >Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not > >know > > > >what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent > >version > > > >but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's > >either. > > > >And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from > > > >being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) > > > > > > > >Heather Buri > > > >CSC Technology Services - Houston > > > > > > > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 > > > >Fax:(713)-961-8249 > > > >Mobile: > > > >Alpha Page: > > > > > > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > > > > Suite 500 > > > > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > > >From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > > > > > > > > > > >Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and > > > >12.2 isn't even out yet. > > > > > > > > >>&g
RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
I recently attended an IP Telephony class at Mentor Technologies and it was a terrible class. The instructor (who turned out to be the VP of sales) was not very knowledgable about the product, although he did have a good deal of background on CVOICE. The entire class was very frustrated and I know the three of us from my company complained to both Cisco and our Mentor rep. After a few months of going back and forth, we've finally been a free class to replace the one we took. Shannon -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:06 AM To: Priscilla Oppenheimer; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... No Way Priscilla... "wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-) I agree- that class sounds like a bummer. With you time in the field, what have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ??? Phil - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You could > ask for your money back... > > BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more > intuitive. Not. &;-) > > Priscilla > > At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote: > >Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not know > >what he was talking about. I thought 12.1 was still the most recent version > >but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's either. > >And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from > >being gone for a week from work. I will check it out tonight. :-) > > > >Heather Buri > >CSC Technology Services - Houston > > > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 > >Fax:(713)-961-8249 > >Mobile: > >Alpha Page: > > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > > Suite 500 > > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... > > > > > >Wow, 13 already? That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and > >12.2 isn't even out yet. > > > > >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>> > >Hi Everyone. > > > >Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I > >have > >to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some > >good > >time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a > >whole > >day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced > >class! > >My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > > > >Router Rip > > > >Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier > >because too > >many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > > > >Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself > >$2000 > >on the CIT course now. > > > >I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy > >Based > >routing some more. > > > >My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This > >was > >news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, > >has > >anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did > >away > >with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew > >it was > >coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > > > >Heather Buri > >CSC Technology Services - Houston > > > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 > >Fax:(713)-961-8249 > >Mobile: > >Alpha Page: > > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd > > Suite 500 > > Houston, TX 77056 > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
