Passed the written
I passed the written today! I guess I prepped for it pretty well since it didn't seem very hard. I got an 88. On to the lab. Jim **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanx, passed the written
Hey group, Just wanted to drop a quick thank you for all your help over the passed several months. I have gone from a CCNA all the way to the CCIE written. It's been quite a journey, and the fun has just begun. All the comments seen before in regards to the test are very accurate. It's actually more straightforward than I anticipated. Keep your focus, believe in yourself, and know you can accomplish anything you want to. There is no mystery to the CCIE, it takes dedication, determination, ambition, and a whole lot of hard work, (maybe a little bit of luck :))!! Thanks again, Ryan Sheahan _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written
Congrats on passing the written. Hopefully I can have the same experience and say "it didn't seem very hard" when I take it at the end of October. Ed > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passed the written... again
Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked.Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is Hannibal). Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! Charles _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanx, passed the written
Ryan, Well done .. and good luch with your LAB test . "Sheahan, Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hey group, > > Just wanted to drop a quick thank you for all your help over the passed > several months. I have gone from a CCNA all the way to the CCIE written. > It's been quite a journey, and the fun has just begun. > > All the comments seen before in regards to the test are very accurate. It's > actually more straightforward than I anticipated. Keep your focus, believe > in yourself, and know you can accomplish anything you want to. There is no > mystery to the CCIE, it takes dedication, determination, ambition, and a > whole lot of hard work, (maybe a little bit of luck :))!! > > Thanks again, > > Ryan Sheahan > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... again
Hey man we used to talk about that at the old gig, remember Regensburg? ML "Cthulu, CCIE Candidate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8v1ahd$rs3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8v1ahd$rs3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Brad, > > Yes, I tested for R&S . > > My NDA friendly answer is that the good questions on the exam were as clear > as what you see in the sample. However, the test questions are much harder > than these simple "what is" questions given on the web page. Be prepared to > read quickly and analyze quicker. > > Test tip!About a year or so ago, someone posted a tip to the groupstudy > that is very useful in test taking (I forget who it was). Anyways, if there > are certain thing that you are not all that well versed in, such as hex to > binary to decimal conversions or IP address classes, make a reference > sheet for yourself. When you go to take your test, before you click that > start button, recreate your reference sheet on the paper provided. By doing > it before you start teh test, you will not be wasting precious test time > building a handy reference sheet. It can be very handy to have this to > refer to during the test. > > Charles > > > > ""Brad Steinman"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 008301c04ff6$d0ddf490$5b5da4d0@steinmb">news:008301c04ff6$d0ddf490$5b5da4d0@steinmb... > > Could you compare (quality/style/etc) the questions were presented with - > to > > the sample questions at > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/sample_routing.html > > > > > > I'm assuming you tested for R&S, I hope I'm not wrong. (i'm new to this > > list) > > > > > > Brad Steinman > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > From: "Sena, Elver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Cthulu, CCIE Candidate'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:27 PM > > Subject: RE: Passed the written... again > > > > > > : Are you sure you are not talking about the CID. :-) > > : > > : -Original Message- > > : From: Cthulu, CCIE Candidate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > : Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:39 AM > > : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > : Subject: Passed the written... again > > : > > : > > : Hi, all > > : > > : I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out > last > > : week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous > > exam > > : I took "expired" due to the time elapse. > > : > > : I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. > I > > : will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the > > : written, that helped a little. > > : > > : > > : About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. > > Cisco, > > : if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not > something > > to > > : brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking > him > > : obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true > worth > > : of the auto mechanic. > > : > > : Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and > > : ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that > > : addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were > > often > > : put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the > > least. > > : > > : > > : To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the > > : questions looked like this: > > : > > : > > : 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? > > : A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present > > : B. None, a circle has 4 sides. > > : C. A right handed square has 4 sides. > > : D. All of the above. > > : > > : > > : 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 > apples. > > : Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the > apples? > > : A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. > > : B. False, the apples were really peaches. > > : C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. > > : D. The log lady likes apples too. > > : > > : > > : > > : I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as > knowing > > : the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to > > get > > : in
Re: Passed the written... again
Yeah !!That is exactly how I feel !!! English is my second language. Now my tears is coming out, just you too feel the same way. And most important, you write it out for me. Thanks > > To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the > questions looked like this: > > > 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? > A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present > B. None, a circle has 4 sides. > C. A right handed square has 4 sides. > D. All of the above. > > > 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. > Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? > A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. > B. False, the apples were really peaches. > C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. > D. The log lady likes apples too. > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... again
I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked.Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is Hannibal). Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! Charles _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... again
In the spirit of open debate, and just to be contrary, may I hold out an alternative viewpoint. We have all had our fun with test questions. Just recently we had an analysis of an OSPF related question, a very interesting thread, and one well worth checking out in the archives if you missed it. What can be interpreted as ambiguous and poor and obscure to a rank amateur may be crystal clear to an experienced professional. Being a rank amateur, I can't come up with a good example. But over the course of time there have been a number of these discussions here. I read through these kinds of threads religiously, and in the end I learn two things - thought process, and protocol behaviour. Over time I have come to realize that Cisco isn't interested in turning out certified individuals who can plug a few routers together and get it to work. Cisco is interested in turning out certified individuals who thoroughly understand protocol behaviour, and thus can add value in any situation where they must do complex analysis. Protocol behaviour includes routing protocols, redistribution among protocols, behaviour at each so called OSI layer, protocol transmission responsibility, and so on. Yes, X.25 is pretty much gone from the U.S Landscape, but worldwide it is still alive and well. Yes there are new technologies such as cable modem and DSL, but the fact is that without a foundation in protocol behaviour over other WAN technologies, how can one understand the issues involved with newer technologies, which in general build upon these earlier ones. Just being contrary. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Carl Mirsky Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked.Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exag
RE: Passed the written... again
Well put Chuck. I thank you for your professionalism and wisdom. It is because of people like you that this list continues to flourish. Thanks. Carl -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:36 AM To: Carl Mirsky; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed the written... again In the spirit of open debate, and just to be contrary, may I hold out an alternative viewpoint. We have all had our fun with test questions. Just recently we had an analysis of an OSPF related question, a very interesting thread, and one well worth checking out in the archives if you missed it. What can be interpreted as ambiguous and poor and obscure to a rank amateur may be crystal clear to an experienced professional. Being a rank amateur, I can't come up with a good example. But over the course of time there have been a number of these discussions here. I read through these kinds of threads religiously, and in the end I learn two things - thought process, and protocol behaviour. Over time I have come to realize that Cisco isn't interested in turning out certified individuals who can plug a few routers together and get it to work. Cisco is interested in turning out certified individuals who thoroughly understand protocol behaviour, and thus can add value in any situation where they must do complex analysis. Protocol behaviour includes routing protocols, redistribution among protocols, behaviour at each so called OSI layer, protocol transmission responsibility, and so on. Yes, X.25 is pretty much gone from the U.S Landscape, but worldwide it is still alive and well. Yes there are new technologies such as cable modem and DSL, but the fact is that without a foundation in protocol behaviour over other WAN technologies, how can one understand the issues involved with newer technologies, which in general build upon these earlier ones. Just being contrary. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Carl Mirsky Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked.Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All o
RE: Passed the written... again
Congratulations Carl! My track is very similar to yours as I will be taking the CID very soon and hope to tackle MCNS before year's end. I heard good things about the Cisco Press DNS and so bought it, but I haven't cracked it open as of yet. What did/will you get for this exam? Rik -Original Message- From: Carl Mirsky To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/16/00 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is Hannibal). Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! Charles _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... again
Thanks Rik. I'm not sure I understand your question though. Could you elaborate? Thanks. Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Congratulations Carl! My track is very similar to yours as I will be taking the CID very soon and hope to tackle MCNS before year's end. I heard good things about the Cisco Press DNS and so bought it, but I haven't cracked it open as of yet. What did/will you get for this exam? Rik -Original Message- From: Carl Mirsky To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/16/00 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is Hannibal). Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! Charles _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry...I read my terribly worded question in your reply and I agree I didn't ask it well! My question was geared towards finding out what resource you will use for the MCNS exam. Rik -Original Message- From: Carl Mirsky To: 'Rik Guyler'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/16/00 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Thanks Rik. I'm not sure I understand your question though. Could you elaborate? Thanks. Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Congratulations Carl! My track is very similar to yours as I will be taking the CID very soon and hope to tackle MCNS before year's end. I heard good things about the Cisco Press DNS and so bought it, but I haven't cracked it open as of yet. What did/will you get for this exam? Rik -Original Message- From: Carl Mirsky To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/16/00 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is Hannibal). Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! Charles _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___
RE: Passed the written... again
Are you sure you are not talking about the CID. :-) -Original Message- From: Cthulu, CCIE Candidate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked.Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is Hannibal). Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! Charles _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... again
Could you compare (quality/style/etc) the questions were presented with - to the sample questions at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/sample_routing.html I'm assuming you tested for R&S, I hope I'm not wrong. (i'm new to this list) Brad Steinman [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Sena, Elver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Cthulu, CCIE Candidate'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again : Are you sure you are not talking about the CID. :-) : : -Original Message- : From: Cthulu, CCIE Candidate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] : Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:39 AM : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Passed the written... again : : : Hi, all : : I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last : week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam : I took "expired" due to the time elapse. : : I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I : will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the : written, that helped a little. : : : About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. Cisco, : if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to : brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him : obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth : of the auto mechanic. : : Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and : ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that : addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often : put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. : : : To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the : questions looked like this: : : : 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? : A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present : B. None, a circle has 4 sides. : C. A right handed square has 4 sides. : D. All of the above. : : : 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. : Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? : A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. : B. False, the apples were really peaches. : C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. : D. The log lady likes apples too. : : : : I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing : the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get : inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is : Hannibal). : : Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! : : Charles _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... again
Brad, Yes, I tested for R&S . My NDA friendly answer is that the good questions on the exam were as clear as what you see in the sample. However, the test questions are much harder than these simple "what is" questions given on the web page. Be prepared to read quickly and analyze quicker. Test tip!About a year or so ago, someone posted a tip to the groupstudy that is very useful in test taking (I forget who it was). Anyways, if there are certain thing that you are not all that well versed in, such as hex to binary to decimal conversions or IP address classes, make a reference sheet for yourself. When you go to take your test, before you click that start button, recreate your reference sheet on the paper provided. By doing it before you start teh test, you will not be wasting precious test time building a handy reference sheet. It can be very handy to have this to refer to during the test. Charles ""Brad Steinman"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 008301c04ff6$d0ddf490$5b5da4d0@steinmb">news:008301c04ff6$d0ddf490$5b5da4d0@steinmb... > Could you compare (quality/style/etc) the questions were presented with - to > the sample questions at > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/sample_routing.html > > > I'm assuming you tested for R&S, I hope I'm not wrong. (i'm new to this > list) > > > Brad Steinman > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > From: "Sena, Elver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Cthulu, CCIE Candidate'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:27 PM > Subject: RE: Passed the written... again > > > : Are you sure you are not talking about the CID. :-) > : > : -Original Message- > : From: Cthulu, CCIE Candidate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > : Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:39 AM > : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > : Subject: Passed the written... again > : > : > : Hi, all > : > : I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last > : week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous > exam > : I took "expired" due to the time elapse. > : > : I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I > : will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the > : written, that helped a little. > : > : > : About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. > Cisco, > : if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something > to > : brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him > : obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth > : of the auto mechanic. > : > : Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and > : ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that > : addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were > often > : put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the > least. > : > : > : To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the > : questions looked like this: > : > : > : 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? > : A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present > : B. None, a circle has 4 sides. > : C. A right handed square has 4 sides. > : D. All of the above. > : > : > : 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. > : Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? > : A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. > : B. False, the apples were really peaches. > : C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. > : D. The log lady likes apples too. > : > : > : > : I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing > : the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to > get > : inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is > : Hannibal). > : > : Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! > : > : Charles > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... again
Well said, Chuck. Cisco doesn't want certified people who can just plug routers together. They expect you to understand protocol behavior, not just configuration. They expect analysis skills, not just memorization, since that is what you will need in the "real world." Some of the CID questions were purposely written to make you take a second look. You won't be able to select the right answer by simply applying basic knowledge. You will need to start by thinking about the basics, and then go beyond that to think about application of the basic behavior, exceptions to the basic behavior, elaborations of the basic behavior, etc. This is actually an improved test-question writing method, called the two-step question by some people. If you take your time, you can generally get into the mind of the test-writer and figure out what they're getting at. On the other hand, I have seen some test questions (especially sample test questions) that are incomprehensible no matter how much head-scratching you do, (especially the COLT tests which are quite badly written, at least the ones I tried). But I think the actual tests are better than the sample tests. Priscilla At 07:35 AM 11/16/00, Chuck Larrieu wrote: >In the spirit of open debate, and just to be contrary, may I hold out an >alternative viewpoint. > >We have all had our fun with test questions. Just recently we had an >analysis of an OSPF related question, a very interesting thread, and one >well worth checking out in the archives if you missed it. > >What can be interpreted as ambiguous and poor and obscure to a rank amateur >may be crystal clear to an experienced professional. Being a rank amateur, I >can't come up with a good example. But over the course of time there have >been a number of these discussions here. I read through these kinds of >threads religiously, and in the end I learn two things - thought process, >and protocol behaviour. > >Over time I have come to realize that Cisco isn't interested in turning out >certified individuals who can plug a few routers together and get it to >work. Cisco is interested in turning out certified individuals who >thoroughly understand protocol behaviour, and thus can add value in any >situation where they must do complex analysis. Protocol behaviour includes >routing protocols, redistribution among protocols, behaviour at each so >called OSI layer, protocol transmission responsibility, and so on. > >Yes, X.25 is pretty much gone from the U.S Landscape, but worldwide it is >still alive and well. Yes there are new technologies such as cable modem and >DSL, but the fact is that without a foundation in protocol behaviour over >other WAN technologies, how can one understand the issues involved with >newer technologies, which in general build upon these earlier ones. > >Just being contrary. > >Chuck > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Carl >Mirsky >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:33 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject:RE: Passed the written... again > >I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked >eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID >exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated >material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken >many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous >questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the >questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, >also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which >covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very >clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct >answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would >like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and >especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and >not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS >before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 >months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then >hopefully the lab by 12/01. > >Respectfully, >Carl Mirsky >CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA >" Integrity Can Be Communicated " > > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Cthulu, CCIE Candidate >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Passed the written... again > > >Hi, all > >I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I foun
RE: Passed the written... again
Damn!?!?!? Are you kidding? I didn't want to have to really learn this stuff. ;-) -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Well said, Chuck. Cisco doesn't want certified people who can just plug routers together. They expect you to understand protocol behavior, not just configuration. They expect analysis skills, not just memorization, since that is what you will need in the "real world." Some of the CID questions were purposely written to make you take a second look. You won't be able to select the right answer by simply applying basic knowledge. You will need to start by thinking about the basics, and then go beyond that to think about application of the basic behavior, exceptions to the basic behavior, elaborations of the basic behavior, etc. This is actually an improved test-question writing method, called the two-step question by some people. If you take your time, you can generally get into the mind of the test-writer and figure out what they're getting at. On the other hand, I have seen some test questions (especially sample test questions) that are incomprehensible no matter how much head-scratching you do, (especially the COLT tests which are quite badly written, at least the ones I tried). But I think the actual tests are better than the sample tests. Priscilla At 07:35 AM 11/16/00, Chuck Larrieu wrote: >In the spirit of open debate, and just to be contrary, may I hold out an >alternative viewpoint. > >We have all had our fun with test questions. Just recently we had an >analysis of an OSPF related question, a very interesting thread, and one >well worth checking out in the archives if you missed it. > >What can be interpreted as ambiguous and poor and obscure to a rank amateur >may be crystal clear to an experienced professional. Being a rank amateur, I >can't come up with a good example. But over the course of time there have >been a number of these discussions here. I read through these kinds of >threads religiously, and in the end I learn two things - thought process, >and protocol behaviour. > >Over time I have come to realize that Cisco isn't interested in turning out >certified individuals who can plug a few routers together and get it to >work. Cisco is interested in turning out certified individuals who >thoroughly understand protocol behaviour, and thus can add value in any >situation where they must do complex analysis. Protocol behaviour includes >routing protocols, redistribution among protocols, behaviour at each so >called OSI layer, protocol transmission responsibility, and so on. > >Yes, X.25 is pretty much gone from the U.S Landscape, but worldwide it is >still alive and well. Yes there are new technologies such as cable modem and >DSL, but the fact is that without a foundation in protocol behaviour over >other WAN technologies, how can one understand the issues involved with >newer technologies, which in general build upon these earlier ones. > >Just being contrary. > >Chuck > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Carl >Mirsky >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:33 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject:RE: Passed the written... again > >I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked >eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID >exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated >material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken >many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous >questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the >questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, >also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which >covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very >clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct >answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would >like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and >especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and >not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS >before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 >months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then >hopefully the lab by 12/01. > >Respectfully, >Carl Mirsky >CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA >" Integrity Can Be Communicated " > > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Passed the written... again
Not sure. Possibly the Cisco press book, unless someone else has any ideas Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:01 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Sorry...I read my terribly worded question in your reply and I agree I didn't ask it well! My question was geared towards finding out what resource you will use for the MCNS exam. Rik -Original Message- From: Carl Mirsky To: 'Rik Guyler'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/16/00 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Thanks Rik. I'm not sure I understand your question though. Could you elaborate? Thanks. Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Congratulations Carl! My track is very similar to yours as I will be taking the CID very soon and hope to tackle MCNS before year's end. I heard good things about the Cisco Press DNS and so bought it, but I haven't cracked it open as of yet. What did/will you get for this exam? Rik -Original Message- From: Carl Mirsky To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/16/00 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. False, the apples were really peaches. C. Howards got 5-10, with time off for good behavior. D. The log lady likes apples too. I am exaggerating slightly, but not by much. Just as important as knowing the stuff, is the ability to decipher the questions and answers, and to get inside the minds of the test writers (you be Clarice, the test writer is Hannibal). Anyways, that is all I got to say about that. Good luck to all! Charles _ FAQ, list archives
RE: Passed the written... again
In answer to Riks' question, I used the SYBEX and TOP DOWN. Although Top Down is not specifically for the CID, it is excellent for anyone going into design, and even Internetworking itself. The Sybex is directly geared for the exam, and again is excellent, because the authors point out what is real world, and what is Ciscos' world. Again the exam will test your knowledge not on facts like the CIT, but on understanding the underlying design issues of networks. I would make sure you know all of the exam objectives as well. FYI, the SCSA is a Sun Certified System Administrator for Solaris. Thanks. Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA -Original Message- From: Denis A. Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:10 AM To: 'Carl Mirsky' Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I think he is asking what materials you used for this exam. While I'm asking, what is a SCSA? Denis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carl Mirsky Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:42 AM To: 'Rik Guyler'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Thanks Rik. I'm not sure I understand your question though. Could you elaborate? Thanks. Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Passed the written... again Congratulations Carl! My track is very similar to yours as I will be taking the CID very soon and hope to tackle MCNS before year's end. I heard good things about the Cisco Press DNS and so bought it, but I haven't cracked it open as of yet. What did/will you get for this exam? Rik -Original Message- From: Carl Mirsky To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/16/00 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Passed the written... again I just took (and passed)the CID (640-025) for my CCDP. That exam sucked eggs as well. I just saw this morning that there is a beta for the NEW CID exam. Good thing. The current one expects you to know not only outdated material, but also the questions were horrible in my opinion. I have taken many exams and this one was by far the worst. Be prepared for ambiguous questions, and even more ambiguous answers. I am sure that some of the questions had no correct answer. I think the guy who designed this exam, also designed the Fl. election ballot. Anyway, I used the SYBEX book, which covered the material very well. In fact, the authors pointed out very clearly that the information is outdated, and, that there is the correct answer, and the Cisco answer. I also used Top Down by Pricillia. I would like to again thank the professionals that encompass this list, and especially Paul for maintaining the best damn Cisco site in the Free (and not so free) World. Now it's time for some R&R, and then it's off the MCNS before the new requirements come out on Jan. 1. My goal for the next 12 months is as follows: MCNS, DLSW, CATM, CVoice, CCIE Written, and then hopefully the lab by 12/01. Respectfully, Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, SCSA " Integrity Can Be Communicated " -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cthulu, CCIE Candidate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Passed the written... again Hi, all I took and passed the CCIE written exam again yesterday. I found out last week that I had to retake it in order to schedule my lab; the previous exam I took "expired" due to the time elapse. I did not study, so I can not recommend any reference materials, etc. I will say that since I have been studying for the lab, rather than the written, that helped a little. About the exam itself, and without violating the NDA, it sucked. Cisco, if you are reading this, elimination through obscurity is not something to brag about. Sure, I could test and fail an auto mechanic by asking him obscure questions about buggy whips, but that does not test the true worth of the auto mechanic. Some of the questions are awful, loaded with subjective phrases and ambiguous syntax and grammer.There were a few good questions that addressed the technology of what we do. It seemed to me that you were often put in a situation where you have to pick the answer that sucked the least. To give you an idea, pretending that this was a math exam, some of the questions looked like this: 1. How many sides are contained in a left-handed square? A. 4 sides if there are 2 triangles present B. None, a circle has 4 sides. C. A right handed square has 4 sides. D. All of the above. 2. Chuck bought 5 bananas at the supermarket. Priscilla bought 2 apples. Howard robbed Pamela the cashier. How much did Chuck pay for the apples? A. The bananas were 1 dollar a pound. B. F
RE: Passed the written... again
>In the spirit of open debate, and just to be contrary, may I hold out an >alternative viewpoint. > >We have all had our fun with test questions. Just recently we had an >analysis of an OSPF related question, a very interesting thread, and one >well worth checking out in the archives if you missed it. > >What can be interpreted as ambiguous and poor and obscure to a rank amateur >may be crystal clear to an experienced professional. If it's the same thread I'm thinking of, it's not insignificant that Priscilla, Peter, Pamela and myself came up with slightly different readings of the questions (I think there were other experienced professionals answering, but I seem to remember only the P's). Unfortunately, terminology can be rather vague. Unfortunately as well, to be precise tends to be based in rather formal computer science methodology. For example, to answer the question if a given protocol belongs to some OSI layer numbered N, the precise answers include: If the (N)-protocol provides a (N)-service to a (N+1) client layer entity and carries (N+1) service data units to a peer (N+1) entity via (N)protocol data units, the protocol belongs to layer (N), If the (N)-protocol does not provide any (N)-service to a layer (N+1) but does affect the behavior of other (N)-entities by sending (N)-PDU's with protocol control content, the (N)-protocol is a layer(N) management protocol. Let me merely say that one day, while shaving, I realized I understood EXACTLY what the OSI definition of the presentation service meant, and nearly cut my throat in shock. It has been said that the physical universe is merely a metaphor for that which can be defined in the full OSI reference model. It also has been said that an elephant is a mouse designed for full OSI conformance. >Being a rank amateur, I >can't come up with a good example. But over the course of time there have >been a number of these discussions here. I read through these kinds of >threads religiously, and in the end I learn two things - thought process, >and protocol behaviour. > >Over time I have come to realize that Cisco isn't interested in turning out >certified individuals who can plug a few routers together and get it to >work. Cisco is interested in turning out certified individuals who >thoroughly understand protocol behaviour, and thus can add value in any >situation where they must do complex analysis. Protocol behaviour includes >routing protocols, redistribution among protocols, behaviour at each so >called OSI layer, protocol transmission responsibility, and so on. > >Yes, X.25 is pretty much gone from the U.S Landscape, but worldwide it is >still alive and well. Yes there are new technologies such as cable modem and >DSL, but the fact is that without a foundation in protocol behaviour over >other WAN technologies, how can one understand the issues involved with >newer technologies, which in general build upon these earlier ones. Absolutely. X.25 remains quite appropriate for certain high-error-rate, high-delay, or low-speed links. By X.25, I do include the packet level even on point-to-point links, because, if for no other reason, it can give you more fragmentation than can IP over LAP-B, which will optimize throughput on some bad links. LAP-B also is the basis for SSCOP, the high-reliability signaling link protocol in ATM and SS#7. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passed the Written today ... [7:15055]
Whooo Hooo. In and out in an hour. Not so bad, seeing as this was my second attempt. I probably should have studied for the first attempt. I almost made it the first time, then I cracked a book, went back 3 weeks later and got it taken care of. Here comes the Lab. Thanks to all for valued comments and help with this pursuit. You know who you are !! Good luck to all. Rock On !!! Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=15055&t=15055 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passed the written yesterday! [7:45467]
All, I passed the CCIE written with a score of 84%. It's not the 90+ I wanted, but, in lieu of failing the exam, I'll take it :-). True to Cisco's exams, it had some "difficult-ly worded" questions that really put two things to the test: 1. your knowledge of the topic, and 2. your ability to extrapolate what they are looking for out of a group of answers that at first glance all appear to be wrong. All in all, I have no gripes about the test, and I look forward to adding tons more hands-on time in my lab to my diet of what has been mostly book study over the last 2 or 3 months. Thanks to all of the regular, accurate posters to the list for sharing your knowledge and helpful hints. I'm sure there will be many more questions to come in the next six months, as I'm scheduling my Lab for December. Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I Network Engineer AT&T Government Solutions, Inc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45467&t=45467 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passed the written today! [7:26045]
Hi all, Just wanted to chime in with my celebratory remarks. I passed the CCIE R&S written today. I used some of the usual complement of books that I've seen recommended here: Doyle Volumes 1 and 2, Caslow, and the R&S written workbook I purchased at CCBootCamp.com. I wonder if CCBootCamp will give me a discount on lab materials for my word of mouth advertising? ;-) Just kidding! I also used the equipment I've gathered so far for my home lab to help me disect some of the more "tricky" topics. I learn things much better when I see them actually working! At any rate, much thanks to those folks out there who've provided much-needed answers and guidance. Todd Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26045&t=26045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the Written today ... [7:15055]
Congrats!!! OSN ""Chris Haller"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Whooo Hooo. In and out in an hour. Not so bad, > seeing as this was my second attempt. I probably > should have studied for the first attempt. I almost > made it the first time, then I cracked a book, went > back 3 weeks later and got it taken care of. > > Here comes the Lab. Thanks to all for valued comments > and help with this pursuit. You know who you are !! > Good luck to all. > > Rock On !!! > > Chris > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=15056&t=15055 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written yesterday! [7:45467]
Congrats!!! "Kelly Cobean" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > All, >I passed the CCIE written with a score of 84%. It's not the 90+ I > wanted, but, in lieu of failing the exam, I'll take it :-). True to Cisco's > exams, it had some "difficult-ly worded" questions that really put two > things to the test: 1. your knowledge of the topic, and 2. your ability to > extrapolate what they are looking for out of a group of answers that at > first glance all appear to be wrong. All in all, I have no gripes about the > test, and I look forward to adding tons more hands-on time in my lab to my > diet of what has been mostly book study over the last 2 or 3 months. Thanks > to all of the regular, accurate posters to the list for sharing your > knowledge and helpful hints. I'm sure there will be many more questions to > come in the next six months, as I'm scheduling my Lab for December. > > Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I > Network Engineer > AT&T Government Solutions, Inc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45469&t=45467 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written today! [7:26045]
was ccbootcamp study guide helpful. ""Todd Carswell"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi all, > > Just wanted to chime in with my celebratory remarks. I passed the CCIE R&S > written today. > > I used some of the usual complement of books that I've seen recommended > here: Doyle Volumes 1 and 2, Caslow, and the R&S written workbook I > purchased at CCBootCamp.com. I wonder if CCBootCamp will give me a discount > on lab materials for my word of mouth advertising? ;-) Just kidding! > > I also used the equipment I've gathered so far for my home lab to help me > disect some of the more "tricky" topics. I learn things much better when I > see them actually working! > > At any rate, much thanks to those folks out there who've provided > much-needed answers and guidance. > > Todd Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26121&t=26045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written today! [7:26045]
Yes, the ccbootcamp R&S written workbook was my central piece of study material. I used Caslow, Doyle, and a few white papers here and there to fill in the gaps. While the workbook did not go into the various topics in depth (I don't think that's what it was written for), the questions provided at the end of each chapter worked really well to prepare me for the actual test questions. Also, the bridging and lan switching section was excellent! It does a wonderful job of showing the reader how to parse RIFs. I spent a couple of hours studying the RIF info in the book and I didn't have to monkey around with it anymore. I scored 91% in the bridging and LAN switching segment. Some of the other sections kicked my gluteal region (booty), though! ;-) In case you're wondering, I'm NOT getting paid by ccbootcamp or anything. A current CCIE referred me to their site. I've found their materials to be helpful, so I'm more than happy to put in a good word for them. As a matter of fact, I've just sent them the money for their lab subscription as I begin studying for the lab exam. Good luck! Todd ""Khalsa Singh"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > was ccbootcamp study guide helpful. > > > ""Todd Carswell"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi all, > > > > Just wanted to chime in with my celebratory remarks. I passed the CCIE > R&S > > written today. > > > > I used some of the usual complement of books that I've seen recommended > > here: Doyle Volumes 1 and 2, Caslow, and the R&S written workbook I > > purchased at CCBootCamp.com. I wonder if CCBootCamp will give me a > discount > > on lab materials for my word of mouth advertising? ;-) Just kidding! > > > > I also used the equipment I've gathered so far for my home lab to help me > > disect some of the more "tricky" topics. I learn things much better when > I > > see them actually working! > > > > At any rate, much thanks to those folks out there who've provided > > much-needed answers and guidance. > > > > Todd Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26127&t=26045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info and discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying CCNA and it has been invaluable to me. I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to ready to take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new written, and it's much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, etc, many of the prep tests and study materials for the current written simply will not be enough to get through the new written. If you've finished CCNP (especially recently), the written shouldn't be a problem if you bone up on some topics not covered much in CCNP like LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and all of the Source-route bridging methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc The depth of routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that required for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks GOD I passed the written....now the funs [7:40756]
Team, Today I passed the qualification exam, First I would like thank GOD, San Lazaro, my Family and all the members of the Cisco Group Study that have contributed to helping me pass the Written Exam. Today I passed the qualification exam. It was a very difficult exam IMHO, much harder than the CCNP exams and I barely managed a pass score. I was kinda hoping to score in the high 90's at least, but a pass is a pass right? I want to specially thanks to Dennis Laganiere and Brad Ellis for their support and help...Thanks guys you are the best, hopefully one day I will have the pleasure of meeting you. My sources were the following: Caslow second edition NLI's Study Guide for the Written(a must, don't take the test without having this) Token Ring paper by Dennis Laganiere CCIE Prep Kit by QUE Boson exam 3 Cisco Web Site (a must) Well, now the big task, the LAB. Thank you all for your help your insight and the inspiration you gave me. JB Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40756&t=40756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Congrats, Mike! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Get in my head: http://sar.dynu.com ""Michael L. Williams"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info and > discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying CCNA and it > has been invaluable to me. > > I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to ready to > take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new written, and it's > much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, etc, many of > the prep tests and study materials for the current written simply will not > be enough to get through the new written. If you've finished CCNP > (especially recently), the written shouldn't be a problem if you bone up on > some topics not covered much in CCNP like LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and > all of the Source-route bridging methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc > The depth of routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that > required for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams > > Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) > Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=3&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
When will the current written-exam expire? Hamid ""Michael L. Williams"" wrote in message news:... > Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info > and discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying > CCNA and it has been invaluable to me. > > I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to ready > to take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new written, > and it's much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, > etc, many of the prep tests and study materials for the current > written simply will not be enough to get through the new written. If > you've finished CCNP (especially recently), the written shouldn't be a > problem if you bone up on some topics not covered much in CCNP like > LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and all of the Source-route bridging > methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc The depth of > routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that required > for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams > > Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) Mike > W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
If I still remember correctly, CCIE #350-001 exam will be replaced by CCIE #351-001 exam around October 2002. There will be an updated and more interesting new technology presented in the new exam wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > When will the current written-exam expire? > > Hamid > > ""Michael L. Williams"" wrote in message > news:... > > Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info > > and discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying > > CCNA and it has been invaluable to me. > > > > I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO > > > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to ready > > > to take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new written, > > and it's much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, > > > etc, many of the prep tests and study materials for the current > > written simply will not be enough to get through the new written. If > > you've finished CCNP (especially recently), the written shouldn't be a > > > problem if you bone up on some topics not covered much in CCNP like > > LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and all of the Source-route bridging > > methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc The depth of > > routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that required > > for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams > > > > Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) Mike > > W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=5&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
I'n not sure, but the beta was over May 6th, and results are due 6-8 weeks after that, so I would expect for it to change over sometime in July... perhaps August at the latest but that's just a guess. Mike W. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > When will the current written-exam expire? > > Hamid > > ""Michael L. Williams"" wrote in message > news:... > > Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info > > and discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying > > CCNA and it has been invaluable to me. > > > > I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO > > > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to ready > > > to take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new written, > > and it's much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, > > > etc, many of the prep tests and study materials for the current > > written simply will not be enough to get through the new written. If > > you've finished CCNP (especially recently), the written shouldn't be a > > > problem if you bone up on some topics not covered much in CCNP like > > LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and all of the Source-route bridging > > methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc The depth of > > routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that required > > for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams > > > > Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) Mike > > W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44457&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
When does the new written exam go live( is live the proper term?) ;) >From: "Michael L. Williams" >Reply-To: "Michael L. Williams" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:2] >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 11:31:45 -0400 > >Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info and >discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying CCNA and it >has been invaluable to me. > >I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO > >(just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to ready to >take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new written, and it's >much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, etc, many of >the prep tests and study materials for the current written simply will not >be enough to get through the new written. If you've finished CCNP >(especially recently), the written shouldn't be a problem if you bone up on >some topics not covered much in CCNP like LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and >all of the Source-route bridging methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc >The depth of routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that >required for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams > >Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) >Mike W. > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2&t=2 >-- >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44469&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Congrats and good luck! JR -- Johnny Routin The "Routin" One ""Michael L. Williams"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info and > discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying CCNA and it > has been invaluable to me. > > I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to ready to > take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new written, and it's > much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, etc, many of > the prep tests and study materials for the current written simply will not > be enough to get through the new written. If you've finished CCNP > (especially recently), the written shouldn't be a problem if you bone up on > some topics not covered much in CCNP like LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and > all of the Source-route bridging methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc > The depth of routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that > required for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams > > Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) > Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44517&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
I wrote the CCIE group at Cisco and they said that the new exam will still be named 350-001. The 351, 641 prefix designates a beta exam. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Erwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:2] If I still remember correctly, CCIE #350-001 exam will be replaced by CCIE #351-001 exam around October 2002. There will be an updated and more interesting new technology presented in the new exam wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > When will the current written-exam expire? > > Hamid > > ""Michael L. Williams"" wrote in message > news:... > > Just a quick note to everyone saying thanks for all of the good info > > and discussions. I've been in Groupstudy since I started studying > > CCNA and it has been invaluable to me. > > > > I guess now it's time to gear up for the lab... WOOHOO > > > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close to > > ready > > > to take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new > > written, and it's much different. Aside from information on routing > > protocols, > > > etc, many of the prep tests and study materials for the current > > written simply will not be enough to get through the new written. > > If you've finished CCNP (especially recently), the written shouldn't > > be a > > > problem if you bone up on some topics not covered much in CCNP like > > LANE, IS-IS, Token Ring (RIFs and all of the Source-route bridging > > methods), DLSw, basic STUN/BSTUN, etc The depth of > > routing/switching/WAN knowledge required isn't nearly that required > > for CCNP Routing/Switching/Remote Access exams > > > > Thanks again and wish me luck on the lab (whenever I take it) =) > > Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44522&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Michael L. Williams wrote: > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close > to ready to > take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new > written, and it's > much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, I assume this means you took the Beta, and then also took the current version (maybe assuming you didn't pass the Beta??) and passed that? fm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44788&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Correct... I took the beta, then took the current written and passed Still don't know about passing the beta because it takes them 6-8 weeks to get you the results (actually, the last beta I took, I saw the results on their tracking site a week before I received notification via the mail). If I had to bet, I would bet that I didn't pass the new written beta I also didn't study MPLS except to know some terms (which actually helped on a couple of questions). Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44837&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Do you know when the current 350-001 is set to expire? -Original Message- From: Frank Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:2] Michael L. Williams wrote: > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close > to ready to > take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new > written, and it's > much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, I assume this means you took the Beta, and then also took the current version (maybe assuming you didn't pass the Beta??) and passed that? fm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44845&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Not for sure Cisco moved pretty quick on the other betas I took, so I would think sometime in July or August but I read someone else say September or so. Mike W. "Creighton Bill-BCREIGH1" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Do you know when the current 350-001 is set to expire? > > -Original Message- > From: Frank Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:2] > > Michael L. Williams wrote: > > > > > > (just to echo what others have said) If you're anywhere close > > to ready to > > take the written, do it now! I took the beta for the new > > written, and it's > > much different. Aside from information on routing protocols, > > > > I assume this means you took the Beta, and then also took the current > version (maybe assuming you didn't pass the Beta??) and passed that? > > fm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44886&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
Michael Williams wrote: > > Correct... I took the beta, then took the current written > and passed Still don't know about passing the beta because > it takes them 6-8 weeks to get you the results (actually, the > last beta I took, I saw the results on their tracking site a > week before I received notification via the mail). > > If I had to bet, I would bet that I didn't pass the new written > beta I also didn't study MPLS except to know some terms > (which actually helped on a couple of questions). > > Mike W. I took the Beta on the last day it was available and suspect that I didn't pass it either. It was quite a test! Since I suspect that, I went ahead and got a free test slot at Networkers to do the current version. If I find out beforehand that I did pass, I'll give up the test slot. Thanks, fm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44900&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:44442]
If you passed are you able to transfer the Networkers slot (for a fee?) ;) -Original Message- From: Frank Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed the written... Now on to the lab!! [7:2] Michael Williams wrote: > > Correct... I took the beta, then took the current written > and passed Still don't know about passing the beta because > it takes them 6-8 weeks to get you the results (actually, the > last beta I took, I saw the results on their tracking site a > week before I received notification via the mail). > > If I had to bet, I would bet that I didn't pass the new written > beta I also didn't study MPLS except to know some terms > (which actually helped on a couple of questions). > > Mike W. I took the Beta on the last day it was available and suspect that I didn't pass it either. It was quite a test! Since I suspect that, I went ahead and got a free test slot at Networkers to do the current version. If I find out beforehand that I did pass, I'll give up the test slot. Thanks, fm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44901&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
