RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread John Mairs

--- Jim Dixon  wrote:
> and John  LET US BUILD ALLL our new
> buildings on the East COAST
> using that NEW Architecture.
> 
> New East Coast will look like
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> 
> 
> I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists
> think
> they have succeeded in destroying a monument that
> represents the econonmic success of the United
> States.
> 
> I think it is imperative that we not only rebuild
> the
> two 110 story towers using the exact same set of
> blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to encourage
> that the two towers be built at a distance one and a
> half times the original spacing and a THIRD tower a
> 150 stories high right in the middle.
> 
> I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of the
> original towers missing from the Manhattan skyline
> but
> also show the uniquely American gesture of the
> "middle
> finger" faced eastward defying terrorism in a subtle
> but unmistakable fashion.
> 
> My 2 cents
> 
> =
> John L. Mairs
> 
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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread John Mairs

I think we are getting at "humor" and defiance. 

I would be proud to work in those buildings the MINUTE
they opened with a feeling of...

"go ahead loser, you think you can knock our sh*t down
and that we will just say "ooo golly, those bad people
knocked down our building I guess we better not
rebuild them anyway similar"not bloody likely, you
knock our stuff down we will rebuild it in a minute
and three times the size as the last, and beware,
because when we come a knockin' it will be 1000 fold
the damage you caused and if you try it again we will
build it bigger once more and visit you 1,000,000
times over.

I hope that provides a satisfactory clue of sorts


--- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> Personally, I haven't a clue what Jim is getting at.
> 
> Do you really think that people would want to work
> in towers that are
> identical to the ones in which so many people died? 
> In a type of attack
> that could easily happen again?  Many of those
> people have been involved in
> two terrorist attacks... I doubt they'd be keen to
> see if there would be a
> third.
> 
> I would really hope that of all the things that come
> out of this, if it's
> found that the terrorists came through Canada, the
> US whacks Canadian
> politicians upside the head for their lax
> immigration policies and
> incompetent information service (Canada's version of
> the FBI).  They should
> have been tracking those terrorists the second they
> entered Canada.
> 
> **I** am not impressed...
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > John Mairs
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:05 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> >
> >
> > --- Jim Dixon  wrote:
> > > and John  LET US BUILD ALLL our new
> > > buildings on the East COAST
> > > using that NEW Architecture.
> > >
> > > New East Coast will look like
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists
> > > think
> > > they have succeeded in destroying a monument
> that
> > > represents the econonmic success of the United
> > > States.
> > >
> > > I think it is imperative that we not only
> rebuild
> > > the
> > > two 110 story towers using the exact same set of
> > > blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to
> encourage
> > > that the two towers be built at a distance one
> and a
> > > half times the original spacing and a THIRD
> tower a
> > > 150 stories high right in the middle.
> > >
> > > I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of
> the
> > > original towers missing from the Manhattan
> skyline
> > > but
> > > also show the uniquely American gesture of the
> > > "middle
> > > finger" faced eastward defying terrorism in a
> subtle
> > > but unmistakable fashion.
> > >
> > > My 2 cents
> > >
> > > =
> > > John L. Mairs
> > >
> > >
> __
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> >
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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread John Mairs

I like the first part of your idea but we should get
the access-lists from somewhere other than "Hell".

Most of the people we are alluding to come from, or
are going, there and you know how they like to share
information... ;-)


--- Allen May  wrote:
> Don't forget 1024bit IPSec security and access-lists
> from hell ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Mairs" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:05 PM
> Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> 
> 
> > --- Jim Dixon  wrote:
> > > and John  LET US BUILD ALLL our new
> > > buildings on the East COAST
> > > using that NEW Architecture.
> > >
> > > New East Coast will look like
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > > .!..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists
> > > think
> > > they have succeeded in destroying a monument
> that
> > > represents the econonmic success of the United
> > > States.
> > >
> > > I think it is imperative that we not only
> rebuild
> > > the
> > > two 110 story towers using the exact same set of
> > > blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to
> encourage
> > > that the two towers be built at a distance one
> and a
> > > half times the original spacing and a THIRD
> tower a
> > > 150 stories high right in the middle.
> > >
> > > I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of
> the
> > > original towers missing from the Manhattan
> skyline
> > > but
> > > also show the uniquely American gesture of the
> > > "middle
> > > finger" faced eastward defying terrorism in a
> subtle
> > > but unmistakable fashion.
> > >
> > > My 2 cents
> > >
> > > =
> > > John L. Mairs
> > >
> > >
> __
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> >
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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread John Mairs

Another hearty example proving that every idea can be
improved upon. 
I like that... (E|) ...that was my sorry attempt at,
using the right hand, "E" (three bent horizontal
fingers{ala simpsons}) and "|" ( a very rigid thumb
up)...
That was pretty dumb huh?...maybe one set of buildings
should be built with the 150 story section on
ballbearings on a pivot with a magnet on one side and
me wearing an anvil around my neck so that, no matter
where I am, that set of buildings would be... 
facing me..;-)

And to all those that don't know, it is important that
we remember

Humor is, and has always been, an American trademark
tool, that is a powerful healing agent in difficult
times. I grieve as much as anyone else for this
tragedy and have a cousin that had an 8:00am dental
appointment on the 80th floor of building 1 that is
still unaccounted foreveryone has there own way of
dealing with tragedy and flaming those who happen to
use humor as the "agent of choice" in their healing
process does not serve anyone...lets not forget
THAT...




--- Jim Dixon  wrote:
> and John  LET US BUILD ALLL our new
> buildings on the East COAST
> using that NEW Architecture.
> 
> New East Coast will look like
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> .!..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> 
> 
> I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists
> think
> they have succeeded in destroying a monument that
> represents the econonmic success of the United
> States.
> 
> I think it is imperative that we not only rebuild
> the
> two 110 story towers using the exact same set of
> blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to encourage
> that the two towers be built at a distance one and a
> half times the original spacing and a THIRD tower a
> 150 stories high right in the middle.
> 
> I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of the
> original towers missing from the Manhattan skyline
> but
> also show the uniquely American gesture of the
> "middle
> finger" faced eastward defying terrorism in a subtle
> but unmistakable fashion.
> 
> My 2 cents
> 
> =
> John L. Mairs
> 
> __
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> messaging with Yahoo! Messenger
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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

Several years ago I lived through a massive tornado that went through our
city.  Although neither my home nor my parents were damaged, there's
something traumatic you go through when you've lived through something as
violent as that.  What I and the rest of the people in the City I live in go
through is exactly what the people that lived through the tragedy in New
York will go through.  It's something you can't describe to someone else...
but those people (on the street and in the office towers) will never be the
same again.  I can't fathom those towers being rebuilt having those people
going back to work in buildings that have twice been the target of
terrorists.

So I guess no, I don't have the testosterone needed to jump at the chance of
acting as a terrorist magnet.  Neither do most of the people that live in my
city...  There's a website with several pictures of the twister that can be
found at http://datalib.library.ualberta.ca/tornado/new1a.JPG.  Note the
tiny oil refinery tanks in the background...


  -- Leigh Anne

> -Original Message-
> From: Debbie Becker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Fw: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
>
>
> Oh, Leigh Ann -- you obviously lack the testosterone needed to jump at the
> chance to act as a terrorist magnet . . .
>
> I swear, with the amount of time men sometimes spend flexing their muscles
> and looking for danger, it's a wonder that the human race hasn't
> died off .
> . . 
>
> Deb
>
> - Original Message -
> From: ""John Mairs"" 
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:56 PM
> Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
>
>
> I think we are getting at "humor" and defiance.
>
> I would be proud to work in those buildings the MINUTE
> they opened with a feeling of...
>
> "go ahead loser, you think you can knock our sh*t down
> and that we will just say "ooo golly, those bad people
> knocked down our building I guess we better not
> rebuild them anyway similar"not bloody likely, you
> knock our stuff down we will rebuild it in a minute
> and three times the size as the last, and beware,
> because when we come a knockin' it will be 1000 fold
> the damage you caused and if you try it again we will
> build it bigger once more and visit you 1,000,000
> times over.
>
> I hope that provides a satisfactory clue of sorts
>
>
> --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> > Personally, I haven't a clue what Jim is getting at.
> >
> > Do you really think that people would want to work
> > in towers that are
> > identical to the ones in which so many people died?
> > In a type of attack
> > that could easily happen again?  Many of those
> > people have been involved in
> > two terrorist attacks... I doubt they'd be keen to
> > see if there would be a
> > third.
> >
> > I would really hope that of all the things that come
> > out of this, if it's
> > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the
> > US whacks Canadian
> > politicians upside the head for their lax
> > immigration policies and
> > incompetent information service (Canada's version of
> > the FBI).  They should
> > have been tracking those terrorists the second they
> > entered Canada.
> >
> > **I** am not impressed...
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > John Mairs
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:05 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Jim Dixon  wrote:
> > > > and John  LET US BUILD ALLL our new
> > > > buildings on the East COAST
> > > > using that NEW Architecture.
> > > >
> > > > New East Coast will look like
> > > > .!..
> > > > .!..
> > > > .!..
> > > > .!..
> > > > .!..
> > > > .!..
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists
> > > > think
> > > > they have succeeded in destroying a monument
> > that
> > &g

Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread Torren Craigie-Manson

> > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
{snip}
> > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
it's
> > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks Canadian
> > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).  They
should
> > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
> > >
> > > **I** am not impressed...
> > >

Leigh Anne,

Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
integrity of Canada.

This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.

Torren




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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
murderers and terrorists.  Once these people are here, we can't deport them
because of goofy Canadian politics.  When these people come into Canada,
Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable
backgrounds.  Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens.  That makes the US
immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
background checking.  It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US that's
at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things up.
How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
investigate into people's backgrounds properly?  Far too often I'm afraid.

It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the guy heading
into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
department.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Torren Craigie-Manson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
>
>
> > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> {snip}
> > > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
> it's
> > > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
> whacks Canadian
> > > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).  They
> should
> > > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
> > > >
> > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > >
>
> Leigh Anne,
>
> Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
> authorities should
> have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
> failure of US
> authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
> integrity of Canada.
>
> This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
> world. Please
> take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
> and jury,
> and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
>
> Torren




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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread Kevin Wigle

I tried to keep this off the list but you sir are so ignorant.

Just when did it become Canada's job to prevent people entering the U.S.?

The last time I went through the border it was American guards that asked me
where I was from, where I was going and looked at my identification.

And just when did it become the U.S.'s business who gets into Canada?

It's a two way street.  We get a lot of undesirables from down south too.

And while you're at it, explain to me how these terrorists took flight
training in the U.S. to learn to fly the planes they hi-jacked.  How is it
that a Flight Training company employee actually put 2 of these student
pilots up in his house for a few days "for the sake of the flight school".

All of this coming off of CNN.

All Canadians grieve at the terrible loss of life as does most of the free
world.

With the inflammatory type of statements you make against your best
neighbour I can see that most people probably don't care what impresses you.

It would be best if you used your brain first before putting mouth or
keyboard in gear.

Kevin Wigle

- Original Message -
From: "Torren Craigie-Manson" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September, 2001 22:22
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]


> > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> {snip}
> > > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
> it's
> > > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks
Canadian
> > > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).  They
> should
> > > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
> > > >
> > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > >
>
> Leigh Anne,
>
> Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities
should
> have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of
US
> authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
> integrity of Canada.
>
> This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world.
Please
> take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and
jury,
> and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
>
> Torren




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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread Kevin Wigle

Responding to my own post as I seem to have directed my own tirade to the
wrong poster.

Emotions run high and I fell trap to my own accusations.  I have apologized
to Torren off-line and I wish to apologize to the list.

Kevin Wigle

- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Wigle" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2001 00:26
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]


> I tried to keep this off the list but you sir are so ignorant.
>
> Just when did it become Canada's job to prevent people entering the U.S.?
>
> The last time I went through the border it was American guards that asked
me
> where I was from, where I was going and looked at my identification.
>
> And just when did it become the U.S.'s business who gets into Canada?
>
> It's a two way street.  We get a lot of undesirables from down south too.
>
> And while you're at it, explain to me how these terrorists took flight
> training in the U.S. to learn to fly the planes they hi-jacked.  How is it
> that a Flight Training company employee actually put 2 of these student
> pilots up in his house for a few days "for the sake of the flight school".
>
> All of this coming off of CNN.
>
> All Canadians grieve at the terrible loss of life as does most of the free
> world.
>
> With the inflammatory type of statements you make against your best
> neighbour I can see that most people probably don't care what impresses
you.
>
> It would be best if you used your brain first before putting mouth or
> keyboard in gear.
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Torren Craigie-Manson"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September, 2001 22:22
> Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
>
>
> > > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> > {snip}
> > > > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this,
if
> > it's
> > > > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks
> Canadian
> > > > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
They
> > should
> > > > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
Canada.
> > > > >
> > > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > > >
> >
> > Leigh Anne,
> >
> > Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities
> should
> > have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of
> US
> > authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
the
> > integrity of Canada.
> >
> > This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world.
> Please
> > take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and
> jury,
> > and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
> >
> > Torren




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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread Vilas Nafde

If you point one finger at someone else THREE fingers are pointed towards U
and one upwards. The one upwards U can call GOD, Destiny or anything.


- Original Message -
From: "Torren Craigie-Manson" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]


> > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> {snip}
> > > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
> it's
> > > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks
Canadian
> > > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).  They
> should
> > > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
> > > >
> > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > >
>
> Leigh Anne,
>
> Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities
should
> have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of
US
> authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
> integrity of Canada.
>
> This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world.
Please
> take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and
jury,
> and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
>
> Torren




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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-12 Thread Jon Krabbenschmidt

I agree. It is not the responsibility of the Canadians to monitor people who
enter the US. That is the sole responsibility of the US immigrations and
customs agents. The last time I traveled back into the US from Canada I was
stopped and questioned by US officials.

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Torren Craigie-Manson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]


> > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
{snip}
> > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
it's
> > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks Canadian
> > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).  They
should
> > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
> > >
> > > **I** am not impressed...
> > >

Leigh Anne,

Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
integrity of Canada.

This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.

Torren




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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-13 Thread Stephen Mole

Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found another way in?

- Original Message -
From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]


> I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
> murderers and terrorists.  Once these people are here, we can't deport
them
> because of goofy Canadian politics.  When these people come into Canada,
> Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable
> backgrounds.  Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
> documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens.  That makes the US
> immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
> policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
> background checking.  It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US
that's
> at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things
up.
> How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
> investigate into people's backgrounds properly?  Far too often I'm afraid.
>
> It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the guy heading
> into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
> department.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Torren Craigie-Manson
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> >
> >
> > > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> > {snip}
> > > > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this,
if
> > it's
> > > > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
> > whacks Canadian
> > > > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
They
> > should
> > > > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
Canada.
> > > > >
> > > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > > >
> >
> > Leigh Anne,
> >
> > Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
> > authorities should
> > have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
> > failure of US
> > authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
the
> > integrity of Canada.
> >
> > This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
> > world. Please
> > take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
> > and jury,
> > and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
> >
> > Torren




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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-13 Thread J. Walker

I received this from my sister and I thought it was worth sharing...

JW


This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good
Neighbor. Widespread, but only partial news coverage,  was
given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by
Gordon
Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator.


What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the
Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for
the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated
people
on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out
of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts.

None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining
debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who
propped it up,
and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris.

I was there.

I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries in to help.

This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
discouraged countries.

Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent,
warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of
the United States dollar build its own airplane.

Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?

If so, why don't they fly them?

Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why
does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the
moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.

You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not
once, but
several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store
window for everybody to look at.

Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.

They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking
Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend
here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.

When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
loaned
them an old caboose.

Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other
people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in
trouble?

I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired
of hearing them get kicked around.

They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do,
they
are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their
present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America! This is one of the best editorials that I have
ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it.

I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it.

We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the
things we do.

I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can
and
emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until this
letter
is sent to every person on the web. I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT, SO
SEND
IT ON

Lora Arndt
236-1B-10
EHS&R - Specialty Material Markets Group
Tel:  3-1976
Fax:  3-1958

- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Mole" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]


> Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found another way
in?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
> Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
>
>
> > I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
> > murderers and terrorists.  Once these people are here, we can't deport
> them
> > because of goofy Canadian politics.  When these people come into Canada,
> > Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have
undesirable
> > backgrounds.  Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
> > documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens.  That makes the US
> > immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
> > policy of letting Canadians pass throug

RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-13 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Canada pretty much has an open door policy
letting in anyone who wants to come here.  You claim refugee status and then
you're permitted to leave your entry point unescorted, unmonitored.  The
substantial number of those people never come back to finish being
processed.  It's during that processing period many known terrorists are
identitfied and by then it's too late.  They've disappeared into the fabric
of our country.  Canada is home to a substantial number of terrorist groups
and I hope knowing that makes you feel comfortable.

Where there is a will there is a way, and yes they would have found another
way into the US - but Canada makes it far too easy for that sort of thing to
happen.  That's why the US needs to slap Canada's parliment upside the head
for its immigration policies.

Simply put, this is my last public post on this topic.  I won't discuss it
again.  Groupstudy isn't meant for this type of discussion, but I think it's
important that people in the US know about what goes on in the country that
borders them to the north.  The Canadian public has tried for years to get
immigration policies tightened, unsuccessfully.  Perhaps the Americans can
help.

And finally, your comments weren't very appropriate for this type of list.
Such behavior doesn't really reflect well on Canadians, now does it.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Mole
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:04 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
>
>
> Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found
> another way in?
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
> Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
>
>
> > I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
> > murderers and terrorists.  Once these people are here, we can't deport
> them
> > because of goofy Canadian politics.  When these people come into Canada,
> > Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have
> undesirable
> > backgrounds.  Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
> > documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens.  That makes the US
> > immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
> > policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
> > background checking.  It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US
> that's
> > at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things
> up.
> > How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
> > investigate into people's backgrounds properly?  Far too often
> I'm afraid.
> >
> > It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the
> guy heading
> > into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
> > department.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Torren Craigie-Manson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> > >
> > >
> > > > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> > > {snip}
> > > > > > I would really hope that of all the things that come
> out of this,
> if
> > > it's
> > > > > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
> > > whacks Canadian
> > > > > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration
> policies and
> > > > > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
> They
> > > should
> > > > > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
> Canada.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > Leigh Anne,
> > >
> > > Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
> > > authorities should
> > > have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
> > > failure of US
> > > authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
> the
> > > integrity of Canada.
> > >
> > > This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
> > > world. Please
> > > take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
> > > and jury,
> > > and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
> > >
> > > Torren




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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-13 Thread Charlie Hartwell

It pains me to respond to this but it has to be done. I apologise to
groupstudy for continuing with this. Feel free to just ignore it
(which I tried to do).
I cannot believe, at a time when the free world should be pulling
together, that some people feel the need to inflame emotions and
attempt to turn America into an inward looking, solitary nation.
I have responded to some statements inline.

 --- "J. Walker"  wrote: > I received this from
my sister and I thought it was worth
> sharing...

I wish you hadn't
 
> JW
> 
> This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The
> Good Neighbor. Widespread, but only partial news coverage,  was
> given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by
> Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator.
> 
> 
> What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed
> in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to 
> speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the 
> least appreciated people on all the earth.
> 
> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
> lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in 
> billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.

This makes it sound like no other country made sacrifices in WWII!
Millions of European men, women and children were killed in that war.
Now, WWII would have been lost if it were not for the intervention of
the US, the whole world knows that and appreciates it.
 
> None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its
> remaining debts to the United States.
> 
> When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the 
> Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted 
> and swindled on the streets of Paris.
> 
> I was there.
> 
> I saw it.
> 
> When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
> States that hurries in to help.

The author is obviously the victim of national propaganda. Whenever a
natural disaster strikes anywhere in the world the majority of the
wealthier nations intervene in any way they can. Britain always makes
itself available in these situations - I can name dozens of examples
but I don't feel I need to defend Britain right now.
 
> This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
> Nobody helped.

Again, in these situations our Prime Minister WITHOUT FAIL offers the
help of our military and emergency services and they did so again
this week. Our help has been declined by the US which I can
understand that but we are always there should our help be needed.
 
> The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
> into discouraged countries.
> 
> Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent,
> warmongering Americans.
>
> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
> the
> erosion of
> the United States dollar build its own airplane.

1) Nobody is gloating about the strength of the Dollar - it is still
the benchmark for every currency in the world and will remain so.
2) Hello? Airbus? Hello? Concorde?
 
> Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the
> Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
> 
> If so, why don't they fly them?

Well yes, we do in fact. The new double decker Airbus design is so
good that Boeing have pulled out of that part of the airliner market
altogether and ceased development of their own double decker concept.
Plus, Airbus were the first to use a full commercial fly-by-wire
system, which is probably the biggest development in airline
technology of the last 10 years. Right now, the Airbus A3*0 series is
just as well respected as the Boeing 7*7 series.

> Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American 
> Planes?

wrong wrong wrong. Even US lines use Airbus planes - they don't care
about patriotism, just profit so, whatever plane best fits their
needs, they buy.

> Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or 
> woman on the moon?

What purpose would it serve? The US doesnt bother anymore and they
only did it then to show off to the Russians.
 
> You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.

That is possibly THE most ridiculous statement ever made.

> You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

.and the invention of precision engineering which made the next
statement possible.
 
> You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
> not once, but several times - and safely home again.
> 
> You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the
> store window for everybody to look at.

*cough* JFK *cough*
 
> Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
> 
> They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are
> breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa

> at home to spend here.
> 
> When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
> through age, it was t

Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-13 Thread John Mairs

Maybe I am an Idiot (well, there is no doubt that I am
but still...)
If I remember right, when I was in Canada and driving
back into the United States it was the responsibility
of the Customs officers of the United States that were
responible for checking my apples and bananas (and
cemtex and bullets), I don't remember seeing even
ONE Canadian officer there, ehh?

granted I was twelve at the time (two years ago...
well, in terms of maturity)...

is border protection responsibility like the polarity
of the North and South poles? If so, shouldn't it
still be 20,000 more years before we have the
Canadians and the US officers changing booths.


--- Stephen Mole  wrote:
> Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't
> have found another way in?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
> Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> 
> 
> > I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as
> being a haven for
> > murderers and terrorists.  Once these people are
> here, we can't deport
> them
> > because of goofy Canadian politics.  When these
> people come into Canada,
> > Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people
> don't have undesirable
> > backgrounds.  Then when they're here, it's easy
> for them to get forged
> > documents indicating that they are Canadian
> citizens.  That makes the US
> > immigration department's job more difficult
> because of the free flowing
> > policy of letting Canadians pass through the US
> border with a minimum of
> > background checking.  It's the freedom that Canada
> enjoys with the US
> that's
> > at risk unless our Government steps up to the
> plate and tightens things
> up.
> > How often have you heard after the fact that
> Canada Immigration didn't
> > investigate into people's backgrounds properly? 
> Far too often I'm afraid.
> >
> > It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that
> stopped the guy heading
> > into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it
> was the US immigration
> > department.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Torren Craigie-Manson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> > >
> > >
> > > > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> > > {snip}
> > > > > > I would really hope that of all the things
> that come out of this,
> if
> > > it's
> > > > > > found that the terrorists came through
> Canada, the US
> > > whacks Canadian
> > > > > > politicians upside the head for their lax
> immigration policies and
> > > > > > incompetent information service (Canada's
> version of the FBI).
> They
> > > should
> > > > > > have been tracking those terrorists the
> second they entered
> Canada.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > Leigh Anne,
> > >
> > > Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that
> Canadian
> > > authorities should
> > > have spotted these terrorists, but you make no
> mention of the
> > > failure of US
> > > authorities to spot them. Your statement is
> illogical and insulting to
> the
> > > integrity of Canada.
> > >
> > > This is an emotionally charged situation for
> people around the
> > > world. Please
> > > take a minute to stop and think before you
> appoint yourself judge
> > > and jury,
> > > and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
> > >
> > > Torren
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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-13 Thread John Mairs
gt; Ressam applied for refugee status in Canada but was
> rejected because of
> alleged links with the Armed Islamic Group, known as
> the GIA, which is also
> blamed for a series of massacres in Algeria. Ressam,
> an Algerian national,
> is said to have applied for Canadian citizenship
> last year, indicating he
> would have been in Canada at least three years at
> that time.
> 
> If he was rejected for refugee status and he wasn't
> a Canadian citizen, why
> was he permitted to be in Canada for three years? 
> He bided his time hoping
> he could get Canadian citizenship so that he could
> easily pass into the US
> and blow up LAX.
> 
> Canadian officials last night searched Ressams
> apartment in Montreal. They
> discovered he had simply walked away from it,
> leaving clothes in the closet
> and rotting food in the refrigerator. He then went
> to a motel in Vancouver,
> where a maid said he spent hours locked in a back
> room with a second person,
> whom authorities are seeking. The maid told ABCNEWS
> that Ressam rarely
> allowed his room to be cleaned, but that it smelled
> like eggs  an odor
> similar to that emitted by sulfur, a common
> bomb-making component. She also
> said she had seen many empty plastic containers in
> the room.
> 
> The alternative to Canada cleaning up its
> immigration policies is for the US
> to deny Canadians easy access into the US--and I
> don't think any Canadian
> wants that.
> 
> 
>   -- Leigh Anne
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > John Mairs
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:14 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> >
> >
> > Maybe I am an Idiot (well, there is no doubt that
> I am
> > but still...)
> > If I remember right, when I was in Canada and
> driving
> > back into the United States it was the
> responsibility
> > of the Customs officers of the United States that
> were
> > responible for checking my apples and bananas (and
> > cemtex and bullets), I don't remember seeing
> even
> > ONE Canadian officer there, ehh?
> >
> > granted I was twelve at the time (two years ago...
> > well, in terms of maturity)...
> >
> > is border protection responsibility like the
> polarity
> > of the North and South poles? If so, shouldn't it
> > still be 20,000 more years before we have the
> > Canadians and the US officers changing booths.
> >
> >
> > --- Stephen Mole  wrote:
> > > Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't
> > > have found another way in?
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
> > > Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> > >
> > >
> > > > I guess you're not aware of Canada's
> reputation as
> > > being a haven for
> > > > murderers and terrorists.  Once these people
> are
> > > here, we can't deport
> > > them
> > > > because of goofy Canadian politics.  When
> these
> > > people come into Canada,
> > > > Canada has a responsibility to ensure these
> people
> > > don't have undesirable
> > > > backgrounds.  Then when they're here, it's
> easy
> > > for them to get forged
> > > > documents indicating that they are Canadian
> > > citizens.  That makes the US
> > > > immigration department's job more difficult
> > > because of the free flowing
> > > > policy of letting Canadians pass through the
> US
> > > border with a minimum of
> > > > background checking.  It's the freedom that
> Canada
> > > enjoys with the US
> > > that's
> > > > at risk unless our Government steps up to the
> > > plate and tightens things
> > > up.
> > > > How often have you heard after the fact that
> > > Canada Immigration didn't
> > > > investigate into people's backgrounds
> properly?
> > > Far too often I'm afraid.
> > > >
> > > > It wasn't the Canadian immigration department
> that
> > > stopped the guy heading
> 
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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]

2001-09-13 Thread Bolton, Travis

Hey Team lets take it easy.  Canada has it's problems just like we do.
We're only human.  I'm just happy that we have neighbors like them on our
side.  I personally consider them a BIG Suburb of the USA.  

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Mole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found another way in?

- Original Message -
From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]


> I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
> murderers and terrorists.  Once these people are here, we can't deport
them
> because of goofy Canadian politics.  When these people come into Canada,
> Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable
> backgrounds.  Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
> documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens.  That makes the US
> immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
> policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
> background checking.  It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US
that's
> at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things
up.
> How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
> investigate into people's backgrounds properly?  Far too often I'm afraid.
>
> It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the guy heading
> into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
> department.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Torren Craigie-Manson
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
> >
> >
> > > > --- Leigh Anne Chisholm  wrote:
> > {snip}
> > > > > I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this,
if
> > it's
> > > > > found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
> > whacks Canadian
> > > > > politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
> > > > > incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
They
> > should
> > > > > have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
Canada.
> > > > >
> > > > > **I** am not impressed...
> > > > >
> >
> > Leigh Anne,
> >
> > Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
> > authorities should
> > have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
> > failure of US
> > authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
the
> > integrity of Canada.
> >
> > This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
> > world. Please
> > take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
> > and jury,
> > and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
> >
> > Torren




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