RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941]
John- Just out of curiosity, where are you in Texas? Just trying to get a real gauge of where the work is and isn't across the state. Mark -Original Message- From: John McCartney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] "I don't believe that someone with no cisco experience can pass all 4 exams in 9 days. I would say that it is impossible unless he had the answers to the test. " Robert I agree with you, no way unless you are really lucky at guessing. I have one more exam left to get my CCNP and I've been doing this for 3 years on/off. You said you got some calls after getting the CCNA - what city are you in? Here in TX thee is nothinggood luck on the CCNP. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50978&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I live in Boston. Nothing came of the calls, aside from 1 interview. But I have certianly noticed that the interest change when I added the CCNA to my resume. ""John McCartney"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > "I don't believe that someone with no cisco experience can pass all 4 > exams in 9 days. I would say that it is impossible unless he had the > answers to the test. " > > > Robert I agree with you, no way unless you are really lucky at guessing. I > have one more exam left to get my CCNP and I've been doing this for 3 years > on/off. You said you got some calls after getting the CCNA - what city are > you in? Here in TX thee is nothinggood luck on the CCNP. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50980&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm trying for the 1 a month scenario myself. ""Michael Williams"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Robert D. Cluett wrote: > > I don't believe that someone with no cisco experience can pass > > all 4 > > exams in 9 days. I would say that it is impossible unless he > > had the > > answers to the test. > > Or a photographic memory =) > > Seriously though, my brother-in-law and I started CCNA around the same time > period a few years ago. I was studying and taking CCNP exams about one > a month. He had some time on his hands, as he was waiting to start a new > job, and so he studied and took all 4 CCNP exams and the CID afterward and > finished CCNP/CCDP. He did this within about 10 days. So it can be > done by sheer memory and understanding. My only concern though is whether > the retention is there. > > OSPF wrote: > > But you can not pass CCIE written with the same way. > > I know a guy who pass all 4 exams of CCNP within 9 days. But he > > can not get a good job because actually he don't know how to creat > > secret password. MCSE is in the same sintuation. But you can not > > pass CCIE written with the same way. > > I thought the CCIE written was challenging, but it also can fall victim to > the "pro exam taker" that just wants to pass the exam. I think what keeps > CCIE from losing it's value is the lab > > Mike W Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50981&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It would be nice to know where each member is located and what there level of knowledge/certification is. I wonder if we could request this to be added to the site. Maybe member profiles or something. Anyone agree? ""Mark W. Odette II"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > John- Just out of curiosity, where are you in Texas? > > Just trying to get a real gauge of where the work is and isn't across > the state. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: John McCartney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > "I don't believe that someone with no cisco experience can pass all 4 > exams in 9 days. I would say that it is impossible unless he had the > answers to the test. " > > > Robert I agree with you, no way unless you are really lucky at guessing. > I > have one more exam left to get my CCNP and I've been doing this for 3 > years > on/off. You said you got some calls after getting the CCNA - what city > are > you in? Here in TX thee is nothinggood luck on the CCNP. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50982&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, I agree but only if it's voluntary... Robert D. Cluett wrote: > > It would be nice to know where each member is located and what > there level > of knowledge/certification is. I wonder if we could request > this to be > added to the site. Maybe member profiles or something. Anyone > agree? > > ""Mark W. Odette II"" wrote in > message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > John- Just out of curiosity, where are you in Texas? > > > > Just trying to get a real gauge of where the work is and > isn't across > > the state. > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John McCartney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:15 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > > "I don't believe that someone with no cisco experience can > pass all 4 > > exams in 9 days. I would say that it is impossible unless he > had the > > answers to the test. " > > > > > > Robert I agree with you, no way unless you are really lucky > at guessing. > > I > > have one more exam left to get my CCNP and I've been doing > this for 3 > > years > > on/off. You said you got some calls after getting the CCNA - > what city > > are > > you in? Here in TX thee is nothinggood luck on the CCNP. > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50986&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree. Mike W. "David j" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Yes, I agree but only if it's voluntary... > Robert D. Cluett wrote: > > > > It would be nice to know where each member is located and what > > there level > > of knowledge/certification is. I wonder if we could request > > this to be > > added to the site. Maybe member profiles or something. Anyone > > agree? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50995&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You guys are talking about a lot or work and we all know Paul has other things to do besides gathering and maintaining data on list members. In a perfect world it would be great to have the information suggested below, but someone has to expend the time and effort. I know it won't be me, I need to study so I can fail my next attempt. ;-) -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] I agree. Mike W. "David j" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Yes, I agree but only if it's voluntary... > Robert D. Cluett wrote: > > > > It would be nice to know where each member is located and what > > there level > > of knowledge/certification is. I wonder if we could request > > this to be > > added to the site. Maybe member profiles or something. Anyone > > agree? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50998&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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True, rather than a database, it might be benificial to allow for links to personal sites whereby a brief synopsis of skills and such can be locatedjust an idea...I have time...no job! ""Jim Brown"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > You guys are talking about a lot or work and we all know Paul has other > things to do besides gathering and maintaining data on list members. > > In a perfect world it would be great to have the information suggested > below, but someone has to expend the time and effort. I know it won't be me, > I need to study so I can fail my next attempt. ;-) > > -Original Message- > From: Michael L. Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > I agree. > > Mike W. > > "David j" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Yes, I agree but only if it's voluntary... > > Robert D. Cluett wrote: > > > > > > It would be nice to know where each member is located and what > > > there level > > > of knowledge/certification is. I wonder if we could request > > > this to be > > > added to the site. Maybe member profiles or something. Anyone > > > agree? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51001&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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George, Yes, I do think it is worth it. I only have CCNA and CCDA, but the more I get into Cisco certifications, the more I realize what amount of knowledge one gets if his goal is to acquire solid knowledge. True, the needs of industry will always change as technologies change, but these Cisco certifications build on foundational knowledge which is going to be around for quite some time. I mean, though i do not know much about networking, if one has CCIE, that person has a broad knowledge base (I hope), and he can easily adapt to changing needs in the industry. If you are able to do this thing, please do it. Many years back, I was studying with some guys and they got good jobs immediately after college while I continued toiling with books a little more. Now, even though I may never earn more than they do, I feel they envy my position (sorry!). When you have good knowledge, coupled with relevant experience, you will find your niche somehow. You can even be trainer like Pricilla Oppenheimer... there will always be diverse needs in the society. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51002&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am not so sure it is worth it. I had a CCNP, CCDP, and experience as a network engineer and was out of work for almost an entire year. I think it is only worth it for the challenge and if you really love it , becuase your going to have to put so much time and effort into passing the lab unless your willing to make a huge sacrifice and really enjoy it then just not going to be fun. Just my 2 cents. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51011&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It depends where you live and work, in Spain there are only 77 CCIEs, and the most important ISP has 60.000 employees. I think here to be a CCIE is a great business ... McHugh Randy wrote: > > I am not so sure it is worth it. I had a CCNP, CCDP, and > experience as a network engineer and was out of work for almost > an entire year. I think it is only worth it for the challenge > and if you really love it , becuase your going to have to put > so much time and effort into passing the lab unless your > willing to make a huge sacrifice and really enjoy it then just > not going to be fun. Just my 2 cents. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51012&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would like to add my 2 cents on this topic as well. This is a debate that I have heard over and over and the answer is that it depends on the individual person and what they wish to achieve with a CCIE certification. A couple of points need to be made. 1. Certifications, including the CCIE, are not a guarantee of a job or a particular salary. I am studying for the CCIE now and everyone tells me that I am going to make six figures when I get my cert. I do not believe that that will happen and I am not getting my cert for the money. I work for the government for less than my peers and will continue to do so after I get my cert. A government job has great benefits and good job security. I also get to go home at 4:30 everyday. 2. Certification does not mean you know it all. True the CCIE is the pinnacle of Cisco certs but is does not mean you know it all. There are many more topics that are not covered in the CCIE that a person may not have knowledge of. That is why there are multiple CCIE tracks. 3. Continuing one's education is never a bad thing. In the networking world things change by the day. Working toward a cert and staying certified is a good way to force yourself to stay up with the technology. 4. Better to have the cert than not to. If you are applying for a job and their are two other candidates with the same experience level and training but you have a CCIE cert and they do not, who do you think is going to get the job? In today's job market every little bit helps. For ever person I have heard say it did not make a difference when they got hired, I know three more people that say a cert did make the difference. I know that my certs, MCSE, CCNP, and CCDA helped me get my current job right after Sept. 11. Like I said, it boils down to each individual making a decision. Personally I am not going for the CCIE for the money or a job. I already have both. The payback for me in the knowledge that I got the cert when others said I could not. The prestige is also a good thing. To me it does not matter how long or how much money it takes, I will be a CCIE before I die. Matt -Original Message- From: McHugh Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] I am not so sure it is worth it. I had a CCNP, CCDP, and experience as a network engineer and was out of work for almost an entire year. I think it is only worth it for the challenge and if you really love it , becuase your going to have to put so much time and effort into passing the lab unless your willing to make a huge sacrifice and really enjoy it then just not going to be fun. Just my 2 cents. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51015&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"I will be a CCIE before I die"? Man, is that how we look at this? ""Vogel Matthew GS-11 CFAO/IRMD"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I would like to add my 2 cents on this topic as well. This is a debate that > I have heard over and over and the answer is that it depends on the > individual person and what they wish to achieve with a CCIE certification. > A couple of points need to be made. > > 1. Certifications, including the CCIE, are not a guarantee of a job or a > particular salary. I am studying for the CCIE now and everyone tells me > that I am going to make six figures when I get my cert. I do not believe > that that will happen and I am not getting my cert for the money. I work > for the government for less than my peers and will continue to do so after I > get my cert. A government job has great benefits and good job security. I > also get to go home at 4:30 everyday. > > 2. Certification does not mean you know it all. True the CCIE is the > pinnacle of Cisco certs but is does not mean you know it all. There are > many more topics that are not covered in the CCIE that a person may not have > knowledge of. That is why there are multiple CCIE tracks. > > 3. Continuing one's education is never a bad thing. In the networking > world things change by the day. Working toward a cert and staying certified > is a good way to force yourself to stay up with the technology. > > 4. Better to have the cert than not to. If you are applying for a job and > their are two other candidates with the same experience level and training > but you have a CCIE cert and they do not, who do you think is going to get > the job? In today's job market every little bit helps. For ever person I > have heard say it did not make a difference when they got hired, I know > three more people that say a cert did make the difference. I know that my > certs, MCSE, CCNP, and CCDA helped me get my current job right after Sept. > 11. > > Like I said, it boils down to each individual making a decision. Personally > I am not going for the CCIE for the money or a job. I already have both. > The payback for me in the knowledge that I got the cert when others said I > could not. The prestige is also a good thing. To me it does not matter how > long or how much money it takes, I will be a CCIE before I die. > > Matt > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: McHugh Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > I am not so sure it is worth it. I had a CCNP, CCDP, and experience as a > network engineer and was out of work for almost an entire year. I think it > is only worth it for the challenge and if you really love it , becuase your > going to have to put so much time and effort into passing the lab unless > your willing to make a huge sacrifice and really enjoy it then just not > going to be fun. Just my 2 cents. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51018&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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""Vogel Matthew GS-11 CFAO/IRMD"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I would like to add my 2 cents on this topic as well. This is a debate that > I have heard over and over and the answer is that it depends on the > individual person and what they wish to achieve with a CCIE certification. > A couple of points need to be made. > > 1. Certifications, including the CCIE, are not a guarantee of a job or a > particular salary. I am studying for the CCIE now and everyone tells me > that I am going to make six figures when I get my cert. I do not believe > that that will happen and I am not getting my cert for the money. You should absolutely not believe that it will happen, at least not to a 100% certainty. Maybe it will happen, but maybe it won't. Just check out all the CCIE's who are unemployed or underemployed (meaning they went back to Unix sysadmin or whatever). >I work > for the government for less than my peers and will continue to do so after I > get my cert. A government job has great benefits and good job security. I > also get to go home at 4:30 everyday. > > 2. Certification does not mean you know it all. True the CCIE is the > pinnacle of Cisco certs but is does not mean you know it all. There are > many more topics that are not covered in the CCIE that a person may not have > knowledge of. That is why there are multiple CCIE tracks. And even then you are not even close to knowing it all. Some of the best minds in the industry are people like Cerf, Li, Rekhter, Katz, Perlman, and each of them has probably forgotten more about networking than all the CCIE's in the world put together will ever know. None of them have CCIE's. Of course many of them do hold the title PhD. > > 3. Continuing one's education is never a bad thing. In the networking > world things change by the day. Working toward a cert and staying certified > is a good way to force yourself to stay up with the technology. That is one of the ways to stay up with the technology. But it's not the best way. The best way obviously is to constantly make sure you're being handed quality projects. > > 4. Better to have the cert than not to. If you are applying for a job and > their are two other candidates with the same experience level and training > but you have a CCIE cert and they do not, who do you think is going to get > the job? In today's job market every little bit helps. For ever person I > have heard say it did not make a difference when they got hired, I know > three more people that say a cert did make the difference. I know that my > certs, MCSE, CCNP, and CCDA helped me get my current job right after Sept. > 11. Well, when you look at it that way, then you can say that about anything. Getting a PhD will help. Getting an MBA will help. Anything helps. The real way to look at it is to do a proper cost-benefit analysis and determine whether the advantages of getting a particular cert outweighs the time and money it takes to get the cert. This analysis will obviously depend on many factors - not least of which is who is paying (you or your company), and on whose time are you doing the studying (yours or your company's). My take is that if your company is willing to foot the entire bill, including failed test attempts, and will also provide you with time to study, then certs are clearly worth it. Otherwise, the choice is far less clear-cut. > > Like I said, it boils down to each individual making a decision. Personally > I am not going for the CCIE for the money or a job. I already have both. > The payback for me in the knowledge that I got the cert when others said I > could not. The prestige is also a good thing. To me it does not matter how > long or how much money it takes, I will be a CCIE before I die. > > Matt > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: McHugh Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > I am not so sure it is worth it. I had a CCNP, CCDP, and experience as a > network engineer and was out of work for almost an entire year. I think it > is only worth it for the challenge and if you really love it , becuase your > going to have to put so much time and effort into passing the lab unless > your willing to make a huge sacrifice and really enjoy it then just not > going to be fun. Just my 2 cents. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51030&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think GroupStudy already have a forum for people who prepare for the lab test. But you have to book you sit on the lab first, then subcribe in, otherwise you couldn't post your message. - Original Message - From: "Robert D. Cluett" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:14 AM Subject: Re: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > True, rather than a database, it might be benificial to allow for links to > personal sites whereby a brief synopsis of skills and such can be > locatedjust an idea...I have time...no job! > ""Jim Brown"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > You guys are talking about a lot or work and we all know Paul has other > > things to do besides gathering and maintaining data on list members. > > > > In a perfect world it would be great to have the information suggested > > below, but someone has to expend the time and effort. I know it won't be > me, > > I need to study so I can fail my next attempt. ;-) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael L. Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:44 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > > > > I agree. > > > > Mike W. > > > > "David j" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Yes, I agree but only if it's voluntary... > > > Robert D. Cluett wrote: > > > > > > > > It would be nice to know where each member is located and what > > > > there level > > > > of knowledge/certification is. I wonder if we could request > > > > this to be > > > > added to the site. Maybe member profiles or something. Anyone > > > > agree? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51042&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hardcore, BABY!! I love it Shawn K. > -Original Message- > From: Robert D. Cluett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > "I will be a CCIE before I die"? Man, is that how we look at this? > > ""Vogel Matthew GS-11 CFAO/IRMD"" wrote in > message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I would like to add my 2 cents on this topic as well. This is a debate > that > > I have heard over and over and the answer is that it depends on the > > individual person and what they wish to achieve with a CCIE > certification. > > A couple of points need to be made. > > > > 1. Certifications, including the CCIE, are not a guarantee of a job or a > > particular salary. I am studying for the CCIE now and everyone tells me > > that I am going to make six figures when I get my cert. I do not > believe > > that that will happen and I am not getting my cert for the money. I > work > > for the government for less than my peers and will continue to do so > after > I > > get my cert. A government job has great benefits and good job security. > I > > also get to go home at 4:30 everyday. > > > > 2. Certification does not mean you know it all. True the CCIE is the > > pinnacle of Cisco certs but is does not mean you know it all. There are > > many more topics that are not covered in the CCIE that a person may not > have > > knowledge of. That is why there are multiple CCIE tracks. > > > > 3. Continuing one's education is never a bad thing. In the networking > > world things change by the day. Working toward a cert and staying > certified > > is a good way to force yourself to stay up with the technology. > > > > 4. Better to have the cert than not to. If you are applying for a job > and > > their are two other candidates with the same experience level and > training > > but you have a CCIE cert and they do not, who do you think is going to > get > > the job? In today's job market every little bit helps. For ever person > I > > have heard say it did not make a difference when they got hired, I know > > three more people that say a cert did make the difference. I know that > my > > certs, MCSE, CCNP, and CCDA helped me get my current job right after > Sept. > > 11. > > > > Like I said, it boils down to each individual making a decision. > Personally > > I am not going for the CCIE for the money or a job. I already have > both. > > The payback for me in the knowledge that I got the cert when others said > I > > could not. The prestige is also a good thing. To me it does not matter > how > > long or how much money it takes, I will be a CCIE before I die. > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: McHugh Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:42 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > > > > I am not so sure it is worth it. I had a CCNP, CCDP, and experience as a > > network engineer and was out of work for almost an entire year. I think > it > > is only worth it for the challenge and if you really love it , becuase > your > > going to have to put so much time and effort into passing the lab unless > > your willing to make a huge sacrifice and really enjoy it then just not > > going to be fun. Just my 2 cents. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51027&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941]
A new moto for the group, maybe! ""Kaminski, Shawn G"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hardcore, BABY!! I love it > > Shawn K. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robert D. Cluett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:40 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > > "I will be a CCIE before I die"? Man, is that how we look at this? > > > > ""Vogel Matthew GS-11 CFAO/IRMD"" wrote in > > message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I would like to add my 2 cents on this topic as well. This is a debate > > that > > > I have heard over and over and the answer is that it depends on the > > > individual person and what they wish to achieve with a CCIE > > certification. > > > A couple of points need to be made. > > > > > > 1. Certifications, including the CCIE, are not a guarantee of a job or a > > > particular salary. I am studying for the CCIE now and everyone tells me > > > that I am going to make six figures when I get my cert. I do not > > believe > > > that that will happen and I am not getting my cert for the money. I > > work > > > for the government for less than my peers and will continue to do so > > after > > I > > > get my cert. A government job has great benefits and good job security. > > I > > > also get to go home at 4:30 everyday. > > > > > > 2. Certification does not mean you know it all. True the CCIE is the > > > pinnacle of Cisco certs but is does not mean you know it all. There are > > > many more topics that are not covered in the CCIE that a person may not > > have > > > knowledge of. That is why there are multiple CCIE tracks. > > > > > > 3. Continuing one's education is never a bad thing. In the networking > > > world things change by the day. Working toward a cert and staying > > certified > > > is a good way to force yourself to stay up with the technology. > > > > > > 4. Better to have the cert than not to. If you are applying for a job > > and > > > their are two other candidates with the same experience level and > > training > > > but you have a CCIE cert and they do not, who do you think is going to > > get > > > the job? In today's job market every little bit helps. For ever person > > I > > > have heard say it did not make a difference when they got hired, I know > > > three more people that say a cert did make the difference. I know that > > my > > > certs, MCSE, CCNP, and CCDA helped me get my current job right after > > Sept. > > > 11. > > > > > > Like I said, it boils down to each individual making a decision. > > Personally > > > I am not going for the CCIE for the money or a job. I already have > > both. > > > The payback for me in the knowledge that I got the cert when others said > > I > > > could not. The prestige is also a good thing. To me it does not matter > > how > > > long or how much money it takes, I will be a CCIE before I die. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: McHugh Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:42 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: CCIE WORTH IT? [7:50941] > > > > > > > > > I am not so sure it is worth it. I had a CCNP, CCDP, and experience as a > > > network engineer and was out of work for almost an entire year. I think > > it > > > is only worth it for the challenge and if you really love it , becuase > > your > > > going to have to put so much time and effort into passing the lab unless > > > your willing to make a huge sacrifice and really enjoy it then just not > > > going to be fun. Just my 2 cents. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51096&t=50941 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
