Re: CCNA worthless?
The answer could have been many things. But running EIGRP on a Bay router was not one of them. You could run RIP between the routers and redistribute routes. You could also run OSPF with redistribution. I really was just looking for some ingenuity and looking for experience. He had told me that he was very experienced with Bay routers so I was asking the question in search of an expert opinion from someone who had spent alot of time with Bay stuff. His answer lead me to realize he was just trying to snow me and couldn't possibly be a CCIE. Anyone who is even slightly experienced with Cisco gear knows that EIGRP is Cisco Proprietary. To be honest I hired someone who didn't know the answer to the question. But, he was willing to state that he didn't know. In this field, the most dangerous people are the ones who aren't willing to say "I don't know". Kevin At 11:06 AM 5/21/00 -0700, Jennifer Karp wrote: So what was the answer suppose to be for those of us that's not CCIE ? :-) I would think that to redistribute the route via other routing protocol would be the solution but I'm not a expert here. When I was attending some 3Com training and I asked about interconnecting between 3COM and other products, the response was that " we don't discuss competing products" . Instead of wasting time discussing about dumb interviewees (there is lots of them and we need a separate forum for that !!" , let's get back to the subject of Cisco regardless of what you all think about Unix, W2K, Linux , everything else !! Jason (MCNE,MCSE+I,MCT,CCNP) ""Dave W."" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... haha... I really like your joke. CCIEs are God in these days. They can turn (by reprogramming I guess) EIGRP into an opened protocol for running on Bay's network. I guess that guy did really impress you. After for his CCIE# next time, and might be he will tell you some better jokes. Then don't forget to share with us. Cheers! From: Kevin Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Kevin Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: CCNA worthless? Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:57:00 -0400 Whoops. I meant to post this to the group. Kevin Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:24:55 -0400 To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kevin Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA worthless? Did you see his Cert? I have seen lots of people saying they have Cisco Certs but don't. I had a guy interview with me who claimed to be a CCIE. I asked him how he would connect Bay routers with Cisco routers running EIGRP. He told me he would run EIGRP on the Bay's. I asked him if he had done this before, he stated that he did it all the time in the military. I thanked him for his time and showed him the door. Kevin At 03:31 PM 05/19/2000 +0100, you wrote: Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Kevin S. Mahler, CCNP, CCDA, C
RE: CCNA worthless?
Oh, I am sure a company would pay you more or hire you faster if you CCIE and NT/2000. Somehow, I think UNIX would be the choice here. Not for the $$ but for the love of a fine operating system. And the elegance that UNIX brings to the OS world. Who votes for UNIX? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JohnMail Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 10:34 AM To: Brian Lodwick; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA worthless? Brian: I still think that you should stay with NT/2000. Its installation base is far too large to ignore. CISCO is cool as we all know, but Cisco MCSE will give you much more competitive advantage in the world of work. Both certs over either one! Also do not forget that Microsoft and CISCO have already signed a major collaberation deal. The people who can integrate systems or run interoperable networks are those with skills in both CISCO and MCSE spheres. - Original Message - From: Brian Lodwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? I keep telling myself that knowledge and experience will get me the job I want as I work here and troubleshoot problems everyday for everyone. I want to be configuring routers making crazy cool batch config files, analyzing traffic patterns, applying queueing, all the stuff I'm learning in the books. I decided to drop the NT admin idea about a year after getting MCSE get into this routing switching world. I feel like I would've been working a much better job by now in NT administration and making more money, but I really want to do all this crazy Cisco stuff. I hope it pans out in the long run. Brian From: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:07:04 -0700 I would have to say it depends on the person. If you want nothing more than a piece of paper certification out of training then thats all you will get. The cert may get you the interview, your knowledge and exerpience will get you the job and pay you want. -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul doyl Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNA worthless?
HERE YE HERE YE!!! unix forever :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Adams Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? Oh, I am sure a company would pay you more or hire you faster if you CCIE and NT/2000. Somehow, I think UNIX would be the choice here. Not for the $$ but for the love of a fine operating system. And the elegance that UNIX brings to the OS world. Who votes for UNIX? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JohnMail Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 10:34 AM To: Brian Lodwick; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA worthless? Brian: I still think that you should stay with NT/2000. Its installation base is far too large to ignore. CISCO is cool as we all know, but Cisco MCSE will give you much more competitive advantage in the world of work. Both certs over either one! Also do not forget that Microsoft and CISCO have already signed a major collaberation deal. The people who can integrate systems or run interoperable networks are those with skills in both CISCO and MCSE spheres. - Original Message - From: Brian Lodwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? I keep telling myself that knowledge and experience will get me the job I want as I work here and troubleshoot problems everyday for everyone. I want to be configuring routers making crazy cool batch config files, analyzing traffic patterns, applying queueing, all the stuff I'm learning in the books. I decided to drop the NT admin idea about a year after getting MCSE get into this routing switching world. I feel like I would've been working a much better job by now in NT administration and making more money, but I really want to do all this crazy Cisco stuff. I hope it pans out in the long run. Brian From: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:07:04 -0700 I would have to say it depends on the person. If you want nothing more than a piece of paper certification out of training then thats all you will get. The cert may get you the interview, your knowledge and exerpience will get you the job and pay you want. -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul doyl Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.gr
Re: CCNA worthless?
Just a curious note- I haven't ever seen a CCNP boot camp. I wonder if anyone claims to be able to prepare you for CCNP real fast like the CCNA and MCSE type boot camps promise? Even just an ACRC boot camp would be quite a chore. I think these boot camps must just drill you on the stuff they know will be on the test and forget about concepts and basics, but then again how many people come out of college with a Computer Science degree ready to do a job?- chaching 2cents Brian From: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:31:23 BST Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNA worthless?
I would have to say it depends on the person. If you want nothing more than a piece of paper certification out of training then thats all you will get. The cert may get you the interview, your knowledge and exerpience will get you the job and pay you want. -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul doyl Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNA worthless?
I keep telling myself that knowledge and experience will get me the job I want as I work here and troubleshoot problems everyday for everyone. I want to be configuring routers making crazy cool batch config files, analyzing traffic patterns, applying queueing, all the stuff I'm learning in the books. I decided to drop the NT admin idea about a year after getting MCSE get into this routing switching world. I feel like I would've been working a much better job by now in NT administration and making more money, but I really want to do all this crazy Cisco stuff. I hope it pans out in the long run. Brian From: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:07:04 -0700 I would have to say it depends on the person. If you want nothing more than a piece of paper certification out of training then thats all you will get. The cert may get you the interview, your knowledge and exerpience will get you the job and pay you want. -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul doyl Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNA worthless?
i had an instructor at global knowledge that claimed to have his own ccnp boot camp in manhattan (3 weeks, 7 days a week) i don't know anything about it, but it doesn't seem very valuable to me, in that anyone who just memorizes for those tests and gets the best job that they will provide will still be looking for an instructor on the job, and often people who are hiring ccnp's are looking for the instructor, not someone who still needs one. just my two cents quinton From: "Brian Lodwick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Brian Lodwick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:23:05 EDT Just a curious note- I haven't ever seen a CCNP boot camp. I wonder if anyone claims to be able to prepare you for CCNP real fast like the CCNA and MCSE type boot camps promise? Even just an ACRC boot camp would be quite a chore. I think these boot camps must just drill you on the stuff they know will be on the test and forget about concepts and basics, but then again how many people come out of college with a Computer Science degree ready to do a job?- chaching 2cents Brian From: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:31:23 BST Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNA worthless?
Now I want to say that it is not my intent to start a flame war on this group, or to belittle anyone. I am just stating my opinion and would not mind some alternate opinions. I can understand how having an MCSE or Cisco certification can be helpful in landing you a job, but I dont see how the two exactly mesh together. In any company of significant size you will be dealing NT servers OR Cisco routers. The primary responsibilities of an MCSE and CCNP/DP/IE vary by quite a large margin. So if you just want to have basic understanding at the CCNA level, then I could see how it would be good to get both. However, If you are more interested in persuing a career in network engineering then focus on network and telco experience over server experience. While I do think it it best to diversify and not overspecialize, I think it is important to determine in what field you wish to work. I know this may sound kind of idealistic, but the last thing I look for in a career decision is salary. I would rather be happy and making less money, than having to deal with a work environment that was not friendly and cooperative. My 2 cents -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JohnMail Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 10:34 AM To: Brian Lodwick; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA worthless? Brian: I still think that you should stay with NT/2000. Its installation base is far too large to ignore. CISCO is cool as we all know, but Cisco MCSE will give you much more competitive advantage in the world of work. Both certs over either one! Also do not forget that Microsoft and CISCO have already signed a major collaberation deal. The people who can integrate systems or run interoperable networks are those with skills in both CISCO and MCSE spheres. - Original Message - From: Brian Lodwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? I keep telling myself that knowledge and experience will get me the job I want as I work here and troubleshoot problems everyday for everyone. I want to be configuring routers making crazy cool batch config files, analyzing traffic patterns, applying queueing, all the stuff I'm learning in the books. I decided to drop the NT admin idea about a year after getting MCSE get into this routing switching world. I feel like I would've been working a much better job by now in NT administration and making more money, but I really want to do all this crazy Cisco stuff. I hope it pans out in the long run. Brian From: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:07:04 -0700 I would have to say it depends on the person. If you want nothing more than a piece of paper certification out of training then thats all you will get. The cert may get you the interview, your knowledge and exerpience will get you the job and pay you want. -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul doyl Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription i
Re: CCNA worthless?
I agree. In the beginning I thought MCSE was related to internetworking, but now I see that MCSE is regarding Windows operating systems. Typically MCSE knowledge in networking is superficial compared to Cisco subjects. Of course MCSE has its value. ""Kevin Welch"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 002d01bfc1eb$b993a6c0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:002d01bfc1eb$b993a6c0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Now I want to say that it is not my intent to start a flame war on this group, or to belittle anyone. I am just stating my opinion and would not mind some alternate opinions. I can understand how having an MCSE or Cisco certification can be helpful in landing you a job, but I dont see how the two exactly mesh together. In any company of significant size you will be dealing NT servers OR Cisco routers. The primary responsibilities of an MCSE and CCNP/DP/IE vary by quite a large margin. So if you just want to have basic understanding at the CCNA level, then I could see how it would be good to get both. However, If you are more interested in persuing a career in network engineering then focus on network and telco experience over server experience. While I do think it it best to diversify and not overspecialize, I think it is important to determine in what field you wish to work. I know this may sound kind of idealistic, but the last thing I look for in a career decision is salary. I would rather be happy and making less money, than having to deal with a work environment that was not friendly and cooperative. My 2 cents -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JohnMail Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 10:34 AM To: Brian Lodwick; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA worthless? Brian: I still think that you should stay with NT/2000. Its installation base is far too large to ignore. CISCO is cool as we all know, but Cisco MCSE will give you much more competitive advantage in the world of work. Both certs over either one! Also do not forget that Microsoft and CISCO have already signed a major collaberation deal. The people who can integrate systems or run interoperable networks are those with skills in both CISCO and MCSE spheres. - Original Message - From: Brian Lodwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? I keep telling myself that knowledge and experience will get me the job I want as I work here and troubleshoot problems everyday for everyone. I want to be configuring routers making crazy cool batch config files, analyzing traffic patterns, applying queueing, all the stuff I'm learning in the books. I decided to drop the NT admin idea about a year after getting MCSE get into this routing switching world. I feel like I would've been working a much better job by now in NT administration and making more money, but I really want to do all this crazy Cisco stuff. I hope it pans out in the long run. Brian From: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "paul doyl" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNA worthless? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:07:04 -0700 I would have to say it depends on the person. If you want nothing more than a piece of paper certification out of training then thats all you will get. The cert may get you the interview, your knowledge and exerpience will get you the job and pay you want. -- Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul doyl Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA worthless? Hello people Yesterday a we interveiwed a guy for a job for general network hardware support. He had a CCNA gained from CCNA boot camp (4 days). The thing is (from what I hear) he had very little idea and couldn't answer the simplest questions, long blank pause after being asked what a subnet was or explain what a subnet mask was. Now I'm concerned as I actually had to study quite hard to get my CCNA. Does anyone have similar tales or stories to tell about what goes on at these 'boot camps'? Thanks in advance. Bodey Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___
