Re: Internet phone, is it possible? [7:65123]
Actually, there's quite a few vendors already doing this. One that I found to be quite impressive was vonage.com. They've got it figured out. I'm actually testing out their service for long distance service at my office. They give you an ATA186 with the service, which I've connected to an FXO port off my CCM system and setup least cost routing for long distance service. Actually, they had a deal on amazon where you purchase the ATA186 for $100 and they give you two months of their $40 unlimited long distance service for free. Heck, it would cost me $100 to buy an ATA186 and I get two months of free long distance included...what a deal. Quality is remarkably good. It hardly ever hiccups at all, which is surprising since our Internet connection gets hammered pretty often. Anyway, I've been doing IP phones in production for several years and this is by far the coolest VoIP service I personally have seen. Vance ps. Oh yea, 1) Vonage runs SIP. 2) When I'm on the road and run my softphone (CCM), I do notice degredation when the latency gets up to a couple hundred msec. Doesn't get unacceptable to me until about 600 - 1000 and then I start noticing dropouts. supernet wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine wants to establish a business that use internet to make phone calls. He wants to set up PSTN gateways in some countries and sell IP phones to high speed customers so customers can talk to each other free of charge and they can call PSTN for a fee. I think net2phone.com has the same thing. Anyway, He has some questions that I couldn't answer. I appreciate if someone can help me: 1. Should he use SIP or CCM? 2. Is round trip delay 200-300 msec acceptable? Thanks. Yoshi Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65280t=65123 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet phone, is it possible? [7:65123]
Vance Krier wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, there's quite a few vendors already doing this. One that I found to be quite impressive was vonage.com. They've got it figured out. I'm actually testing out their service for long distance service at my office. They give you an ATA186 with the service, which I've connected to an FXO port off my CCM system and setup least cost routing for long distance service. Actually, they had a deal on amazon where you purchase the ATA186 for $100 and they give you two months of their $40 unlimited long distance service for free. Heck, it would cost me $100 to buy an ATA186 and I get two months of free long distance included...what a deal. Quality is remarkably good. It hardly ever hiccups at all, which is surprising since our Internet connection gets hammered pretty often. Anyway, I've been doing IP phones in production for several years and this is by far the coolest VoIP service I personally have seen. Vonage is indeed a harbinger of the future. Voice will ultimately be relegated to just another app that runs on your network. You put a telephony signalling server/softswitch on your IP network and, lo and behold, you're a voice provider. I wonder if Cisco will come up with a way to dominate this market. But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for BOC's to swap out their Class5 switches anytime soon. Vance ps. Oh yea, 1) Vonage runs SIP. 2) When I'm on the road and run my softphone (CCM), I do notice degredation when the latency gets up to a couple hundred msec. Doesn't get unacceptable to me until about 600 - 1000 and then I start noticing dropouts. supernet wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine wants to establish a business that use internet to make phone calls. He wants to set up PSTN gateways in some countries and sell IP phones to high speed customers so customers can talk to each other free of charge and they can call PSTN for a fee. I think net2phone.com has the same thing. Anyway, He has some questions that I couldn't answer. I appreciate if someone can help me: 1. Should he use SIP or CCM? 2. Is round trip delay 200-300 msec acceptable? Thanks. Yoshi Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65283t=65123 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet phone, is it possible? [7:65123]
yeah, different assumptions mean different results. A couple three years ago I was working at Well Known Clothing manufacturer in San Francisco. The folks there were working hard to get VoIP toll bypass going between HQ and their manufacturing plants in the far east. The number I heard was 80,000 a month in potential savings - well worth investing a few thousand a month in equipment and bandwidth for lease lines. I would imagine that these days, voice over internet would be worth looking at for that kind of money. I still think, despite the continued cannibalization of the telco network, the economics just does not favor telecom startups in this field. One would hope that the telcos wake up and begin leveraging t=what they already have in place. Too bad the regulatory environment discourages this. You mention economics serving to deter startups. Although the regulatory environment does indeed deter the lumbering dinosaurs from investing in newer technologies, the economics also are serving to deter incumbents. Let's face it. Telco incumbents, especially the BOC's, don't exactly have a huge incentive to quickly replace something that still makes profit (TDM voice) with something that doesn't, at least, not yet (the Internet). While I don't know exactly how many telcos actually generate consistent profit from the Internet (not EBITDA, not cash-flow, not pro-forma profits, but actual bonafide GAAP profit), I don't think I'd be too far off the mark if I go with the guess of 'zero'. How exactly are telcos supposed to recapitalize their network from an old technology to a new one if the new technology doesn't generate profit? Couple that with the fact that any telco that chooses to increase capex in order to shift from TDM to packet will be punished unmercifully by WallStreet and you have the perfect recipe for paralysis. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65282t=65123 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet phone, is it possible? [7:65123]
The Long and Winding Road wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] supernet wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine wants to establish a business that use internet to make phone calls. He wants to set up PSTN gateways in some countries and sell IP phones to high speed customers so customers can talk to each other free of charge and they can call PSTN for a fee. I think net2phone.com has the same thing. Anyone remember Blue Kangaroo? Risky business model. Capital intense. High customer support costs. Businesses can get long distance nationwide at less than 3 cents a minute these days. I gotta wonder if there really is enough demand to make this a profitable business, given the thin margins. Yeah, but that's 3 cents a minute for calls in the US. International tariffs are significantly more expensive and hence offer more opportunities for arbitrage. ( Looking at low balance in bank account ) Obviously I know something about making money.. :-Anyway, He has some questions that I couldn't answer. I appreciate if someone can help me: 1. Should he use SIP or CCM? 2. Is round trip delay 200-300 msec acceptable? Thanks. Yoshi Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65237t=65123 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet phone, is it possible? [7:65123]
nrf wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Long and Winding Road wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] supernet wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine wants to establish a business that use internet to make phone calls. He wants to set up PSTN gateways in some countries and sell IP phones to high speed customers so customers can talk to each other free of charge and they can call PSTN for a fee. I think net2phone.com has the same thing. Anyone remember Blue Kangaroo? Risky business model. Capital intense. High customer support costs. Businesses can get long distance nationwide at less than 3 cents a minute these days. I gotta wonder if there really is enough demand to make this a profitable business, given the thin margins. Yeah, but that's 3 cents a minute for calls in the US. International tariffs are significantly more expensive and hence offer more opportunities for arbitrage. yeah, different assumptions mean different results. A couple three years ago I was working at Well Known Clothing manufacturer in San Francisco. The folks there were working hard to get VoIP toll bypass going between HQ and their manufacturing plants in the far east. The number I heard was 80,000 a month in potential savings - well worth investing a few thousand a month in equipment and bandwidth for lease lines. I would imagine that these days, voice over internet would be worth looking at for that kind of money. I still think, despite the continued cannibalization of the telco network, the economics just does not favor telecom startups in this field. One would hope that the telcos wake up and begin leveraging t=what they already have in place. Too bad the regulatory environment discourages this. ( Looking at low balance in bank account ) Obviously I know something about making money.. :-Anyway, He has some questions that I couldn't answer. I appreciate if someone can help me: 1. Should he use SIP or CCM? 2. Is round trip delay 200-300 msec acceptable? Thanks. Yoshi Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65259t=65123 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet phone, is it possible? [7:65123]
supernet wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine wants to establish a business that use internet to make phone calls. He wants to set up PSTN gateways in some countries and sell IP phones to high speed customers so customers can talk to each other free of charge and they can call PSTN for a fee. I think net2phone.com has the same thing. Anyone remember Blue Kangaroo? Risky business model. Capital intense. High customer support costs. Businesses can get long distance nationwide at less than 3 cents a minute these days. I gotta wonder if there really is enough demand to make this a profitable business, given the thin margins. ( Looking at low balance in bank account ) Obviously I know something about making money.. :-Anyway, He has some questions that I couldn't answer. I appreciate if someone can help me: 1. Should he use SIP or CCM? 2. Is round trip delay 200-300 msec acceptable? Thanks. Yoshi Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65129t=65123 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
