Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Sure, I sent a private mail because I didn't want to increase noise in is group. I used the mail address you left on vimclojure site to reach you. I just learned about user.home. So I can simplify also the .vim installation of the plugin. Beautiful, when is it coming out? Emeka --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de wrote: Am 07.06.2009 um 17:41 schrieb Emeka: And it took Meikel three weeks to make out time to talk to me. Huh? Did I miss something? Meikel, You've been incredibly open and helpful on this list and we all appreciate it. Thanks for all you've done. Regards, - J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 08.06.2009 um 09:15 schrieb Emeka: Sure, I sent a private mail because I didn't want to increase noise in is group. I used the mail address you left on vimclojure site to reach you. Ok. I'm sorry. It must have been stuck in the spam filter. I searched my mails, but only found the question about Jacob and Excel. I just learned about user.home. So I can simplify also the .vim installation of the plugin. Beautiful, when is it coming out? Obviously soon... -.- I introduced more bugs than I fixed with this release. I will iron the bigger ones and will do a 2.1.2 soon For that I will throw another eye on the build process. Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 08.06.2009 um 04:35 schrieb e: That'd be awesome. assume the user doesn't even have vim. they just have jdk. ... and they only care about vim for clojure. Well, I'd want to eventually integrate with svn and git, but I suppose folks just drop to a shell for that stuff, typically. Ok. Here it is: http://bitbucket.org/kotarak/clojure-ball/overview/ Nothing there, yet. But I'll work on it. Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
if someone just has a vimclojure set up for mac/tiger (and one for Windows) that can somehow be bundled, I'd be interested. I still haven't settled into any sort of reliable/intuitive environment for developing in clojure -- it's by far the biggest hurdle to everyone I know trying to get into it. Thanks. - Eli On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Emeka emekami...@gmail.com wrote: This is probably the global _vimrc installed by Vim I think as much, vim needs this file to run. If you installed Vim as an administrator I always work as administrator. I will create that file and now what and what am I going to add to it. Regards, Emeka O On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de wrote: Hi, Am 06.06.2009 um 17:47 schrieb Emeka: Then it is pretty obvious that I have erred again. C:\Program files\Vim\_vimrc That's where I found that file. This is probably the global _vimrc installed by Vim. You should first try a _vimrc in your home directory. Just create it if it doesn't exist. If you installed Vim as an administrator and now work as a normal user that might explain, why you are not allowed to edit the file. Sincerely Meikel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 07.06.2009 um 14:26 schrieb e: if someone just has a vimclojure set up for mac/tiger (and one for Windows) that can somehow be bundled, I'd be interested. I still haven't settled into any sort of reliable/intuitive environment for developing in clojure -- it's by far the biggest hurdle to everyone I know trying to get into it. Please keep in mind: VimClojure does not claim to be an intuitive environment for Clojure per se. It tries to be intuitive for *Vim* users. If you weren't exposed to vim before, you will probably have a hard time getting started. Similar applies to emacs+SLIME. Also ClojureBox doesn't change that in my opinion. At a first look you might have a quick start, but then still there is the emacs hiding underneath. And no, I don't think, that emacs is more intuitive than vim... Netbeans and Eclipse (and probably IntelliJ) finally aren't masters of Intuition also. So what a intuitive environment is, mostly depends on your background. You are a Java hacker and grok Netbeans? Choose enclojure! You hacked the Linux kernel with Vim? Choose VimClojure! You have a CL background and are a SLIME guru? Well, choose emacs. If non of the above applies, you probably have to take the pill and learn one the environments. If you just want to get started with Clojure, use a simple text editor of your liking and a repl running in the shell/command prompt window. This works quite well and it forces you to think about the namespace structure etc. Friction caused by not-knowing the environment almost vanishes. Claiming that not having a full-fledged environment stops someone from using the language is a lame excuse. Neither Perl nor Python nor pick-your-lang had a full-fledged env two years after first public appearance. Still people managed to develop using them. That said, I think the current fauna of environments for Clojure is very rich. Each fills its own niche. Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
If you just want to get started with Clojure, use a simple text editor of your liking and a repl running in the shell/command prompt window. Well, that's what I have done. Now I am looking for something else. And because I have flirted with vi before, and I am somehow thinking that learning vim would be a great experience :). But I am not yet able to get vimclojure kicking. That's why I have been appealing for help since. And it took Meikel three weeks to make out time to talk to me. That shows that vim learning curve is indeed steep! Regards, Emeka --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
thanks. I do grok, vim. the other point is less about what to do once it is all set up ... it's that setting up is a multi-step hurdle. That's what has been prohibitive for folks. The risk is sinking the time and ending up at some sort of dead end. For me, i had to hack like crazy, for example to get up through the the rlwrap point in one set of instructions. seems simple enough but compiling all the dependencies was a killer... required though in my case -- ports not working. So I was pretty much out of steam after 8 hours just as I was seeing all the VimClojure instructions. You are all right that it is a bunch of whining on my part, but remember that it's not just me. I represent a demographic. I agree that all the progress being made is awesome. was mostly asking if that piece happened to have been done yet . . . . a vim analogue of clojurebox for Windows and Mac. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de wrote: Hi, Am 07.06.2009 um 14:26 schrieb e: if someone just has a vimclojure set up for mac/tiger (and one for Windows) that can somehow be bundled, I'd be interested. I still haven't settled into any sort of reliable/intuitive environment for developing in clojure -- it's by far the biggest hurdle to everyone I know trying to get into it. Please keep in mind: VimClojure does not claim to be an intuitive environment for Clojure per se. It tries to be intuitive for *Vim* users. If you weren't exposed to vim before, you will probably have a hard time getting started. Similar applies to emacs+SLIME. Also ClojureBox doesn't change that in my opinion. At a first look you might have a quick start, but then still there is the emacs hiding underneath. And no, I don't think, that emacs is more intuitive than vim... Netbeans and Eclipse (and probably IntelliJ) finally aren't masters of Intuition also. So what a intuitive environment is, mostly depends on your background. You are a Java hacker and grok Netbeans? Choose enclojure! You hacked the Linux kernel with Vim? Choose VimClojure! You have a CL background and are a SLIME guru? Well, choose emacs. If non of the above applies, you probably have to take the pill and learn one the environments. If you just want to get started with Clojure, use a simple text editor of your liking and a repl running in the shell/command prompt window. This works quite well and it forces you to think about the namespace structure etc. Friction caused by not-knowing the environment almost vanishes. Claiming that not having a full-fledged environment stops someone from using the language is a lame excuse. Neither Perl nor Python nor pick-your-lang had a full-fledged env two years after first public appearance. Still people managed to develop using them. That said, I think the current fauna of environments for Clojure is very rich. Each fills its own niche. Sincerely Meikel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 07.06.2009 um 19:13 schrieb e: So I was pretty much out of steam after 8 hours just as I was seeing all the VimClojure instructions. You are all right that it is a bunch of whining on my part, but remember that it's not just me. I represent a demographic. The VimClojure instructions really boil down to building the jar and installing the Vim plugin. The normal way of extract the zip into .vim doesn't work because of the extra contents, which I - personally - don't want in my .vim. Having a local.properties is the only solution I came up with, which was reasonably simple. Similar for the contorted setup for the clojure.jar: ant somehow does not honor CLASSPATH. So the user has to specify the clojure.jar location manually. Tips from ant gurus appreciated. Note: if you don't provide a local.properties file Ivy is used. Then this is a non-issue, because the clojure.jar and the necessary parts of contrib are downloaded automatically. I just learned about user.home. So I can simplify also the .vim installation of the plugin. was mostly asking if that piece happened to have been done yet . . . . a vim analogue of clojurebox for Windows and Mac. I can try to do a ClojureBall MacVim. Hmm... Never done that before. Anyone with experience for Windows? Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 07.06.2009 um 17:41 schrieb Emeka: And it took Meikel three weeks to make out time to talk to me. Huh? Did I miss something? Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
I can try to do a ClojureBall MacVim. Hmm... Never done that before. Anyone with experience for Windows? That'd be awesome. assume the user doesn't even have vim. they just have jdk. ... and they only care about vim for clojure. Well, I'd want to eventually integrate with svn and git, but I suppose folks just drop to a shell for that stuff, typically. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Meikel, I would like to use vimclojure and I have even installed all the needed applications, however I am still not able to use it. I tried to edit _vimrc but was told that it is a readonly file(this happened when I used vim to edit it). When I used other editors, it does not prompt readonly, however the message(I added) is not saved to the file either. I was able to get the NGServer up. Please assist me in it figuring out why I can't edit _vimrc. Regards, Emeka --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 06.06.2009 um 13:24 schrieb Emeka: I would like to use vimclojure and I have even installed all the needed applications, however I am still not able to use it. I tried to edit _vimrc but was told that it is a readonly file(this happened when I used vim to edit it). When I used other editors, it does not prompt readonly, however the message(I added) is not saved to the file either. I was able to get the NGServer up. Please assist me in it figuring out why I can't edit _vimrc. I'm sorry. This seems more like a general Vim question. _vimrc probably means, that you use Windows. Things there are sometimes a bit awkward. However I never had problems editing my _vimrc with vim itself... Do you edit the correct _vimrc? Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Do you edit the correct _vimrc? I found only one file bearing that name. Are you referring to other files? Regards, Emeka --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 06.06.2009 um 17:05 schrieb Emeka: Do you edit the correct _vimrc? I found only one file bearing that name. Are you referring to other files? Well there should be your personal _vimrc. It should probably be: C:\Documents and Settings\you\_vimrc. Although this might be different for your Windows version. Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
C:\Users\rmicro\.viminfo That's what I found. Regards, Emeka --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 06.06.2009 um 17:27 schrieb Emeka: C:\Users\rmicro\.viminfo That's what I found. Then it should be C:\Users\rmicro\_vimrc, I guess. Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Then it is pretty obvious that I have erred again. C:\Program files\Vim\_vimrc That's where I found that file. Regards, Emeka --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
Hi, Am 06.06.2009 um 17:47 schrieb Emeka: Then it is pretty obvious that I have erred again. C:\Program files\Vim\_vimrc That's where I found that file. This is probably the global _vimrc installed by Vim. You should first try a _vimrc in your home directory. Just create it if it doesn't exist. If you installed Vim as an administrator and now work as a normal user that might explain, why you are not allowed to edit the file. Sincerely Meikel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: VimClojure v2.1.1 is released
This is probably the global _vimrc installed by Vim I think as much, vim needs this file to run. If you installed Vim as an administrator I always work as administrator. I will create that file and now what and what am I going to add to it. Regards, Emeka O On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de wrote: Hi, Am 06.06.2009 um 17:47 schrieb Emeka: Then it is pretty obvious that I have erred again. C:\Program files\Vim\_vimrc That's where I found that file. This is probably the global _vimrc installed by Vim. You should first try a _vimrc in your home directory. Just create it if it doesn't exist. If you installed Vim as an administrator and now work as a normal user that might explain, why you are not allowed to edit the file. Sincerely Meikel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
