Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

[Steve Sharkey]

I’m going with a Garmin unit.  I have two Garmin chartplotters on the boat and 
am also replacing the old Datamarine instruments with Garmin instruments.  
Almost everything is NEMA2000 and will be connected.  I’ve always found the 
Garmin equipment to be reliable and easy to use and they have the best customer 
service that I’ve every experienced.

From: Richard N. Bush 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

Steve, what unit are you getting and how difficult do you expect installation 
to be?  Do you plan to have it connect with other navigational units, like 
chartplotter, etc? Cost? thanks


Richard
1985  37 On ice for now...


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
502-584-7255



-Original Message-
From: Steve Sharkey 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall


I have an X-5 on my C&C 37 and it is inadequate for anything but the most 
mild conditions or motoring.  I'm having it replaced this winter with an 
under deck unit.

Steve
1983 C&C 37
Impromptu

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Eugenio
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall

Hi,

After many years of enjoying (and fixing/upgrading) my C&C 29 I have am 
upgrading to a 38 Landfall.   I few years ago I installed an X-5 wheel 
autopilot on my 29-1.The old specs for the X-5 put a 38LF right near the 
upper limits.   I am planning on moving the X-5 over to the 38LF before 
selling the 29-1.Does anyone have any experience with how the X-5 
performs on a 38 Landfall under sail?   I am sure it would perform fine 
under engine power, and I have learned with a tender vessel like a 29-1, 
that good sail balance is key to a happy autopilot performance, so I would 
think that giving the stiffer sailing characteristics of the 38LF that the 
X-5 may perform fairly ok.  Input from 38LF autopilot users is greatly 
welcomed.

yours very truly,

-
Paul E.
1979 C&C 29 Mk1
( 1981 C&C 38LF )
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL


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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[djhaug...@juno.com]

They aren't that ready to come by but an internet search its all you can do 
really.

I ended up buying a moyer exchange engine after searching and searching.  
however, out was april and I didn't want to lose to much time screwing around 
with a used engine.

Moyer also sells new heads...

Danny

T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4
Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 5:57 pm
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.

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Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

[Joel Aronson]

Steve
Did you look at using the old control head with a new under deck unit?
Joel

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Steve Sharkey 
wrote:

>   I'm going with a Garmin unit.  I have two Garmin chartplotters on the
> boat and am also replacing the old Datamarine instruments with Garmin
> instruments.  Almost everything is NEMA2000 and will be connected.  I've
> always found the Garmin equipment to be reliable and easy to use and they
> have the best customer service that I've every experienced.
>
>  *From:* Richard N. Bush 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:40 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com  'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37
>
> Steve, what unit are you getting and how difficult do you expect
> installation to be?  Do you plan to have it connect with other navigational
> units, like chartplotter, etc? Cost? thanks
>
>  Richard
> 1985  37 On ice for now...
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Sharkey  'stevebshar...@gmail.com');>>
> To: cnc-list  'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:00 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall
>
> I have an X-5 on my C&C 37 and it is inadequate for anything but the most
> mild conditions or motoring.  I'm having it replaced this winter with an
> under deck unit.
>
> Steve
> 1983 C&C 37
> Impromptu
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Eugenio
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:19 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> Subject: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall
>
> Hi,
>
> After many years of enjoying (and fixing/upgrading) my C&C 29 I have am
> upgrading to a 38 Landfall.   I few years ago I installed an X-5 wheel
> autopilot on my 29-1.The old specs for the X-5 put a 38LF right near the
> upper limits.   I am planning on moving the X-5 over to the 38LF before
> selling the 29-1.Does anyone have any experience with how the X-5
> performs on a 38 Landfall under sail?   I am sure it would perform fine
> under engine power, and I have learned with a tender vessel like a 29-1,
> that good sail balance is key to a happy autopilot performance, so I would
> think that giving the stiffer sailing characteristics of the 38LF that the
> X-5 may perform fairly ok.  Input from 38LF autopilot users is greatly
> welcomed.
>
> yours very truly,
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1979 C&C 29 Mk1
> ( 1981 C&C 38LF )
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Josh Muckley]

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:

> My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
> major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any
> leads is greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> 1979 30-MK1
> Annapolis, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

[Steve Sharkey]

Briefly, but the Raymarine autopilot interfaces to the existing Garmin 
Chartplotter through the NEMA 183 connection and I think that the integration 
with the new instruments and the chartplotter will be better through the NEMA 
2000 network with all Garmin gear.

From: Joel Aronson 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

Steve 
Did you look at using the old control head with a new under deck unit?
Joel

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Steve Sharkey  wrote:

  I’m going with a Garmin unit.  I have two Garmin chartplotters on the boat 
and am also replacing the old Datamarine instruments with Garmin instruments.  
Almost everything is NEMA2000 and will be connected.  I’ve always found the 
Garmin equipment to be reliable and easy to use and they have the best customer 
service that I’ve every experienced.

  From: Richard N. Bush 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:40 AM
  To: javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

  Steve, what unit are you getting and how difficult do you expect installation 
to be?  Do you plan to have it connect with other navigational units, like 
chartplotter, etc? Cost? thanks


  Richard
  1985  37 On ice for now...


  Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
  2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
  Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
  502-584-7255



  -Original Message-
  From: Steve Sharkey 
  To: cnc-list 
  Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:00 pm
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall


I have an X-5 on my C&C 37 and it is inadequate for anything but the most 
mild conditions or motoring.  I'm having it replaced this winter with an 
under deck unit.

Steve
1983 C&C 37
Impromptu

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Eugenio
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:19 PM
To: javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall

Hi,

After many years of enjoying (and fixing/upgrading) my C&C 29 I have am 
upgrading to a 38 Landfall.   I few years ago I installed an X-5 wheel 
autopilot on my 29-1.The old specs for the X-5 put a 38LF right near the 
upper limits.   I am planning on moving the X-5 over to the 38LF before 
selling the 29-1.Does anyone have any experience with how the X-5 
performs on a 38 Landfall under sail?   I am sure it would perform fine 
under engine power, and I have learned with a tender vessel like a 29-1, 
that good sail balance is key to a happy autopilot performance, so I would 
think that giving the stiffer sailing characteristics of the 38LF that the 
X-5 may perform fairly ok.  Input from 38LF autopilot users is greatly 
welcomed.

yours very truly,

-
Paul E.
1979 C&C 29 Mk1
( 1981 C&C 38LF )
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL


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Re: Stus-List bow sprit

[wwadjo...@aol.com]

Rick, 
H, I look forward to others comments, but I didn't get that impression.  
Bill 

Sent from my HTC

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From: "Rick Brass" 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List bow sprit
Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 11:39 PM

I was under the impression that if you use a furler for an A-sail, you adjust 
the draft of the sail by easing the halyard, and then retension the halyard so 
you can roll the sail in when you strike it.



Rick Brass



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin Kane
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List bow sprit



Bill

I installed a Selden furler for my asymmetric spinnaker on my C&C 29-2 last 
summer. On the 29-2 the forestay attachment point is sufficiently aft of the 
stem , that I am was able to attach the furler to a pad eye on the stem, so I 
can’t offer any advice on the installation challenges. However if you can work 
thru the installation issues, I’m sure you’ll enjoy the freedom of furling the 
genoa and unfurling the AS, and vice versa. Like you, I single hand a lot and 
this furler has added a lot of zing to those situations with limited wind.



The only problem I haven’t worked out yet is how to rig a tack line to adjust 
the draft. All attempts to date have been unsuccessful, although  the ones that 
resulted in the AS jamming and or had the AA flying  with no tack attachment, 
provided entertainment for onlookers



Martin 

C&C 29-2 Recalcuating

MCC





From: wwadjo...@aol.com [mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit



Rick, 

I have a sock, Atn tacker on the asym.  I single hand 95% of time and  do use 
Otto to set when alone, still a hassle when single handed and thought wouldn't 
it be nice to leave the mooring with the assym up on a furler.  Trying to add a 
little zing to the sailing on a daily basis.  Too often I just make do with the 
Genoa.  

Bill.  



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From: "Rick Brass" 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit
Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 4:32 PM



Bill;



Have you thought about just using a sock?



I've had 4 different asyms on 2 boats. The 25 has had Chute Scoop socks, and
the 38 has had ATN socks. Both boats have the normal spinnaker crane, and I
tack to a block on the stem fitting on the 25 and to a block mounted on the
extended anchor roller on the 38, with a Tacker used on the 38 to keep the
tack of the a sail close to the headstay.



Hoisting, dousing, and gybing are reduced to a 2 man job - unless I get real
ambitious and then George (the autopilot) and I do it alone. 



And I suspect a good quality sock costs a lot less than a furler.



Rick Brass



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Casciato
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit



Bill:  I agree with Pete.



This list did a relatively thorough discussion of furling ASYM's and sprits
several months ago, maybe that thread is still available in the archives



As I recall and having had the same yearnings about adding a furler for my
ASYM last year.the consensus was that significant load is generated from
the ASYM and furler that additional support below the sprit needs to be
added (Bobstay??).  Additionally, the furler at the bottom is nice, but
the swivel at the top right next to the original headsail furler is just too
close to not get jammedso a crane is also required



I chickened out and decided to just force my crew to learn how to do a jibe
and take down the sail without furling.and they did it...



You can check out Selden who makes an after market one.(Sprit and
furler).   But you really want to think about it more with someone who has
already done it successfully



Best,



Ron C.

Impromptu

C&C 38MMKIIC..'77







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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shelquist
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit



Bill - 

Heads up: Depending on the head of your asym and dimensions of headsail  and
asym furlers, a sprit may not be enough.  IE you may need to extend the
crane at the top of the mast too.







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From: "wwadjo...@aol.com" 
To: "Wally Bryant" 
Subject: Stus-List bow sprit
Date: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 11:02 AM



Just returning from Chicago Strictly Sail show with itch to add furler for
my assym sail.  Looks like will need to add a sprit To get clearance from
the roller furled headsail.  Anyone made this modification?  I see Practical
Sailor doing piece on A sail furlers.  
Bill WALKER
EVENING STAR
CnC 36
Pen

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[dwight]

Josh

 

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
silk.he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel.that's
a really good combo.It does require a significant expense to do the job, but
why not, especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret
having a could auxiliary propulsion system 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD

On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Aaron R.

1979 30-MK1

Annapolis, MD


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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Petar Horvatic]

I have everything but the head.  I just sold my old head for a 100$  as well. 

Mine is mostly parted.He would need to put it together and purchase 
bearings, hone cylinders, magnaflux the journals on the crank,  etc.

phorv...@gmail.com

 

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Bognar
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

I have a head he can buy from me $100. Message me off list 

jbog...@sympatico.ca

Sent from Joe Bognar

 


On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Jerome Tauber  wrote:

Tell him to replace it with an Elco electric.  They make a replacement for 
atomic four.  Jerry C&C 27v.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Aaron Rouhi  wrote:

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Aaron R.

1979 30-MK1

Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Della Barba, Joe]

I would strongly suggest he get on the A4 forum over at Moyer Marine.
Someone there is likely to have a lead on one and Moyer sells new and rebuilt 
engines as well.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Della Barba, Joe]

A *really* long shore power cord is included???

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Tell him to replace it with an Elco electric.  They make a replacement for 
atomic four.  Jerry C&C 27v.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Aaron Rouhi 
mailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com>> wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Della Barba, Joe]

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best "almost an A4" 
diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an 
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45 
minutes of the ad going up.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Josh

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on a 
35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4) 
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so I 
ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little 4 
cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as silk...he 
also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel...that's a really 
good combo...It does require a significant expense to do the job, but why not, 
especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret having a could 
auxiliary propulsion system


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4


I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in 
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi" 
mailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com>> wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

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Stus-List Atomic 4

[Robert Abbott]

Aaron:

Tell your friend to contact Moyer Marine...they will rebuild the Atomic 
4 and/or sometimes they have a rebuilt one for sale.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2014/01/28 6:57 PM, Aaron Rouhi wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and 
other major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a 
replacement. Any leads is greatly appreciated.


Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD


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Re: Stus-List Documentation - abstract of title

[Harry Hallgring]

Dennis,
Yes I did. I plan on getting it done. Thanks much. 

Harry

Sent from my old iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 19:26, "Dennis C."  wrote:
> 
> Harry,
> 
> Hopefully you saw the suggestion in my reply about buying an "abstract of 
> title" from VDC.  They will fax it to you.  This is about as close as you can 
> get to a CarFax report for a car.  It could alert you to potential problems 
> you may have to deal with.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> mandeville, LA
> 
> From: Harry Hallgring 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Documentation
> 
> Ron,
> I bought mirage from Mass Maritime. It was a three year lease purchase. I 
> closed on the boat about a year ago. I have all the USCG documentation 
> certificates back to around 1990. I think the paperwork should all be in 
> order. I'm going to buy beer for you guys with the $390 I saved!
> 
> Harry
> 
> Sent from my old iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 15:19, Ron Casciato  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Harry:
>  
> I agree with these guys on doing it yourself UNLESS………..the previous 
> owner did not renew the documentation and the previous to previous owner 
> still had an undischarged lien on the boat.
>  
> I bought Impromptu in Sept. of 1997………..previous owner told me it was 
> documented………..he didn’t tell me that he had not re-documented in his name……….
>  
> So when I went to try to re-document the boat in my name with a new boat 
> name..the Documentation office told me that it had a mortgage still on it 
> and I would have to get that discharged firstI actually had a “copy” of 
> the mortgage discharge papers from a bank that no longer existed or was 
> bought up by one of the larger banks in the Boston area..
> So a 14 year stalemate ensued………..with several exchanges of information but 
> they wanted “original documents of the discharge” and “original bills of 
> sale”.
>  
> I got the name of a “documentation expert” in our area from a friend and 
> after almost 2 years, she has now completed the documentation of my boat with 
> new owner and new name an hailing port and I have the new Documentation 
> paperwork from the USCG. 
> She was able to reconstruct the original sale by the previous owners and 
> actually found the bank that had absorbed the previous lien and was able to 
> produce a signed notice of satisfaction that the USCG approved……….
>  
> As it turned out, she was the original documentation service that did the 
> paperwork for the twice previous owner in the first place in 1983.
>  
> So the moral; of the story is that if it’s simple, do it yourself.if a 
> mortgage from a previous owner is involved.get help.  The bill for doing 
> mine was $475.plus the USCG charge  Took over 2 years to get done, 
> most of that time waiting for the USCG to get back to us for information………
>  
> Good luck,
>  
> Ron Casciato
> Impromptu
> C&C 38MKIIC   ‘77
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:08 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Documentation
>  
> Rick,
> I guess it depends on the bank.  I had to fight with my bank just to add 
> coastwise trade endorsement.  Not changing name or lien holder or anything 
> else.
> On Jan 28, 2014 12:35 PM, "Rick Brass"  wrote:
> Wrong, Josh. The bank will require the lien be recorded. You can do the 
> paperwork yourself and mail in a copy of the mortgage paperwork. There is a 
> fee, but it is a lot less than $390.
>  
> And, BTW, Harry, is the $390 inclusive of the various USCG fees or in 
> addition to them?
>  
> Rick Brass
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:45 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Documentation
>  
> Not unless you have a bank involved...then the bank requires you to pay the 
> $390.
>  
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[dwight]

OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30.I got one in my 35 MKII and it fits
well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on.it is also
basically a Kubota engine I believe

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best "almost an
A4" diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.

I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
minutes of the ad going up.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Josh

 

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
silk.he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel.that's
a really good combo.It does require a significant expense to do the job, but
why not, especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret
having a could auxiliary propulsion system 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD

On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Aaron R.

1979 30-MK1

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Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

[Pete Shelquist]

Steve – 

I agree with your approach to stick with native N2K gear and can share my 
experience with Garmin instruments and Raymarine autopilot.  Trying to get the 
two to communicate and have the autopilot sail off AWA is futile.   The problem 
is, and this is where this list will either turn into a flame war or spiral out 
of control, the Raymarine x-30  controller that I bought, and was told to be 
N2k, isn’t.  I had to buy an additional black box to get onto the N2K backbone. 
 So yes, $250 later now it communicates, however the sample rate is so slow 
that the autopilot will lag the windshifts and start hunting all over the 
place.   Give the autopilot a compass heading (and don’t get me started on the 
inaccuracy of Raymarine compass) and it’ll steer it all day long.  Try to go 
off a wind angle and it’s crap.  

 

Let me know how you like the Garmin AP.  I’ve heard good things about the 
Shadow Drive functionality and would like to go that route if I can find 
someone to buy the x-30 from me.  

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sharkey
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

 

Briefly, but the Raymarine autopilot interfaces to the existing Garmin 
Chartplotter through the NEMA 183 connection and I think that the integration 
with the new instruments and the chartplotter will be better through the NEMA 
2000 network with all Garmin gear.

 

From: Joel Aronson   

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:09 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

 

Steve 

Did you look at using the old control head with a new under deck unit?

Joel

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Steve Sharkey  wrote:

I’m going with a Garmin unit.  I have two Garmin chartplotters on the boat and 
am also replacing the old Datamarine instruments with Garmin instruments.  
Almost everything is NEMA2000 and will be connected.  I’ve always found the 
Garmin equipment to be reliable and easy to use and they have the best customer 
service that I’ve every experienced.

 

From: Richard N. Bush  
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:40 AM

To: javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); 
  

Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

 

Steve, what unit are you getting and how difficult do you expect installation 
to be?  Do you plan to have it connect with other navigational units, like 
chartplotter, etc? Cost? thanks

Richard

1985  37 On ice for now...

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Sharkey  >
To: cnc-list  >
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall

I have an X-5 on my C&C 37 and it is inadequate for anything but the most 
mild conditions or motoring.  I'm having it replaced this winter with an 
under deck unit.
 
Steve
1983 C&C 37
Impromptu
 
-Original Message- 
From: Paul Eugenio
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:19 PM
To: javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); 
 
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall
 
Hi,
 
After many years of enjoying (and fixing/upgrading) my C&C 29 I have am 
upgrading to a 38 Landfall.   I few years ago I installed an X-5 wheel 
autopilot on my 29-1.The old specs for the X-5 put a 38LF right near the 
upper limits.   I am planning on moving the X-5 over to the 38LF before 
selling the 29-1.Does anyone have any experience with how the X-5 
performs on a 38 Landfall under sail?   I am sure it would perform fine 
under engine power, and I have learned with a tender vessel like a 29-1, 
that good sail balance is key to a happy autopilot performance, so I would 
think that giving the stiffer sailing characteristics of the 38LF that the 
X-5 may perform fairly ok.  Input from 38LF autopilot users is greatly 
welcomed.
 
yours very truly,
 
-
Paul E.
1979 C&C 29 Mk1
( 1981 C&C 38LF )
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Peter Fell]

Gee with the price of boats these days it’s almost worth it to buy a boat with 
a newer diesel in it ... pull the diesel and swap to outboard power and resell. 
 But that would mostly work for a smaller boat (e.g. C&C 27 or 30 using a 
Catalina 27 as a donor).

Otherwise, a vote here for Moyer to obtain the parts needed.  If his carb, 
manifold, fuel pump, starter, etc. are in good condition it’s $4800 for a new 
aftermarket short-block and head or $3500 for a used short-block and head. The 
mechanically inclined could re-assemble from there themselves.  I wish I had 
gone that route instead of the local-shop rebuild.

From: dwight 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it fits well 
in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is also basically a 
Kubota engine I believe

 




From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best “almost an A4” 
diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.

I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an 
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45 
minutes of the ad going up.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Josh

 

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on a 
35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4) 
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so I 
ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little 4 
cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as silk…he 
also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel…that’s a really 
good combo…It does require a significant expense to do the job, but why not, 
especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret having a could 
auxiliary propulsion system 

 




From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in 
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD

On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Aaron R.

1979 30-MK1

Annapolis, MD


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Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

[Jean-Francois J Rivard]

Hello all,

I am scheduling the boat for a haul-out and complete bottom job in late
February (I'm going with a burnished Trinidad SR finish) .  While the boat
is out I'll replace my aging Raymarine ST50+ instruments for a new B&G
Triton setup to complement my new B&G Zeus Touch 7 Chartplotter.

Earlier, I did ask B&G if I could re-use the wiring for the wind vane an
the answer was yes.. But according to 2 experts I asked the real challenge
is the mounting block.  They are both saying that it is extremely
challenging if not impossible to replace the mounting block / splice the
wire, and mount the new wind vane while the mast is in situ.  The guy  with
the most experience said that more often than not it's easier to un-step
the mast.  He's familiar with my boat and its keel stepped mast.

The boat will be at the yard on the hard and they have all all the cranes /
equipment necessary to make it easier.  He also said that most of the work
is in the prep-->  Removing / documenting running rigging, disconnecting
the mast wiring, loosening the standing rigging and stuff like that which I
can do myself.

I still have the original owner's binder and they provide fairly specific
and detailed instructions on the process.  Is it really not that big a
deal?

As for the hull transducer I think I'm in luck.  My old Airmar  transducer
has a standard  2" through-hull and so does the new speed / depth / temp
unit. .  I might actually be able to just drop that in and either remove /
plug the hole on the old depth transducer or just unplug it and  leave it
alone.

-Francois Rivard
1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, Georgia

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[dwight]

I agree with that, nothing wrong with a good A4 for auxiliary power, I had 1
for many years in my C&C 27.  I can tell you though that when it came time
to sell the 27, that A4 was not a drawing card.  I'm happy that I could
advertise Alianna with a 4 cylinder diesel if I ever decided to sell and I
must say that in having used both engines I like the way this diesel works
and its relative easy in maintaining compared to the A4.more money I know;
worth it?  Maybe not for everyone???

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Fell
Sent: January 29, 2014 11:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Gee with the price of boats these days it's almost worth it to buy a boat
with a newer diesel in it ... pull the diesel and swap to outboard power and
resell.  But that would mostly work for a smaller boat (e.g. C&C 27 or 30
using a Catalina 27 as a donor).

 

Otherwise, a vote here for Moyer to obtain the parts needed.  If his carb,
manifold, fuel pump, starter, etc. are in good condition it's $4800 for a
new aftermarket short-block and head or $3500 for a used short-block and
head. The mechanically inclined could re-assemble from there themselves.  I
wish I had gone that route instead of the local-shop rebuild.

 

From: dwight   

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:41 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30.I got one in my 35 MKII and it fits
well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on.it is also
basically a Kubota engine I believe

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best "almost an
A4" diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.

I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
minutes of the ad going up.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Josh

 

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
silk.he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel.that's
a really good combo.It does require a significant expense to do the job, but
why not, especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret
having a could auxiliary propulsion system 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD

On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Aaron R.

1979 30-MK1

Annapolis, MD


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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Hoyt, Mike]

Talk to Rich Knowles about that 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to
flow.  LOL

 

Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one
from Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after
receiving it...  OOORRR...  he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and
replace that and all the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and
whatever else for a minimum of another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts
and periferals like what prop, shaft, whatever, and install it all
himself in, oh i don't know, 2 or 3 weekends...  Then there is all the
adjustments and testing another weekend at least.

 

What is the gain,  It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be sailing and not
chugging along under power for days at a time?  I mean the diesel with
most certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no more than
the cost to convert it.  The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my
opinion, better suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing.  I guess if
your going to do some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a
good decision.  Then there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in
your boat and fuel consumption.  Of course there is truth to those
statements but, how many boats do we hear about exploding every year?
Fuel consumption?  again, if your passage making, but if you're just
using it to get in and out harbors or to motor home for a few hours when
there is no wind, I really don't see the benefit.  You can get gas at
far more marinas than diesel too...  Besides, they don't stink and
they're quieter than a diesel!

 

End of rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL

 

Go A4!!!  

Danny!!

 

P.S.  Just for full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL
doesn't run the way I think it should...



-- Original Message --
From: "dwight" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400

 

 

OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30...I got one in my 35 MKII and it
fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on...it is
also basically a Kubota engine I believe

 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best "almost
an A4" diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.

I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project
by an engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within
about 45 minutes of the ad going up.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Josh

 

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4
on a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and
so I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that
little 4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and
smooth as silk...he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed
the diesel...that's a really good combo...It does require a significant
expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends to keep
the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion system 

 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalI
D=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalI
D=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD

On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi" 
wrote:

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any
leads is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Aaron R.

1979 30-MK1

Annapolis, MD


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Re: Stus-List bow sprit

[Martin Kane]

Thanks Bill

The idea of an antal block on the torque rope, which is essentially the 
forestay, is a good one and would be effective in keeping the tack on centre 
and not flying off to one side. I’ll look into that once spring arrives.

 

My problem is that, while in theory the tack swivel is independent of the upper 
swivel and should not rotate when the sail is being furled (from the top), the 
reality seems to be that there is some rotation of the tack swivel. As long as 
the tack of the AS is attached only to the swivel, then this is not a problem, 
but as soon as you have a separate tack line that attaches to the deck, the 
tack line also wants to furl and everything gets jammed. My experiments have 
used a small diameter tack line which easily bends, twists and wraps itself 
around the furler. The answer may be to go with a larger diameter line with 
less of a tendency to twist.

 

I think that easing the halyard is one of the ways to trim the AS, but I don’t 
think it increases the draft.

 

Martin 

C&C 29-2 Recalculating 

MCC

 

From: Pete Shelquist [mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List bow sprit

 

Mack Sails has a solution for adjusting the tack height.   I don’t recall the 
details, but it’s basically the concept described by Bill.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
wwadjo...@aol.com  
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List bow sprit

 

Martin, 

  when I asked about tack height control, The guy at the Selden booth suggested 
using an Antal ring with a dyneema loop attached to the tack of sail on the 
torsion line of furler that would slide up and down furler line as the tack was 
raised and lowered with a separate line through block at deck level attached to 
tack of sail.   Go to defender.com and look under blocks, for antal.   The 
torsion line would go through center of the antal "block".  Seemed like a 
reasonable way to solve control of height of tack.  

   Just an idea. 

Bill

 

Sent from my HTC

 

- Reply message -
From: "Martin Kane" mailto:martink...@sympatico.ca> >
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Stus-List bow sprit
Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:18 PM

 

Bill
 
I installed a Selden furler for my asymmetric spinnaker on my C&C 29-2 last 
summer. On the 29-2 the forestay attachment point is sufficiently aft of the 
stem , that I am was able to attach the furler to a pad eye on the stem, so I 
can’t offer any advice on the installation challenges. However if you can work 
thru the installation issues, I’m sure you’ll enjoy the freedom of furling the 
genoa and unfurling the AS, and vice versa. Like you, I single hand a lot and 
this furler has added a lot of zing to those situations with limited wind.
 
 
 
The only problem I haven’t worked out yet is how to rig a tack line to adjust 
the draft. All attempts to date have been unsuccessful, although  the ones that 
resulted in the AS jamming and or had the AA flying  with no tack attachment, 
provided entertainment for onlookers
 
 
 
Martin 
 
C&C 29-2 Recalcuating
 
MCC
 
 
 
 
 
From: wwadjo...@aol.com   [mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit
 
 
 
Rick, 
 
   I have a sock, Atn tacker on the asym.  I single hand 95% of time and  do 
use Otto to set when alone, still a hassle when single handed and thought 
wouldn't it be nice to leave the mooring with the assym up on a furler.  Trying 
to add a little zing to the sailing on a daily basis.  Too often I just make do 
with the Genoa.  
 
Bill.  
 
 
 
Sent from my HTC
 
 
 
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From: "Rick Brass" mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net%20%3cmailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> 
 >
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com%20%3cmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
 >
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit
Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 4:32 PM
 
 
 
 
 
Bill;
 
 
 
Have you thought about just using a sock?
 
 
 
I've had 4 different asyms on 2 boats. The 25 has had Chute Scoop socks, and
the 38 has had ATN socks. Both boats have the normal spinnaker crane, and I
tack to a block on the stem fitting on the 25 and to a block mounted on the
extended anchor roller on the 38, with a Tacker used on the 38 to keep the
tack of the a sail close to the headstay.
 
 
 
Hoisting, dousing, and gybing are reduced to a 2 man job - unless I get real
ambitious and then George (the autopilot) and I do it alone. 
 
 
 
And I suspect a good quality sock costs a lot less than a furler.
 
 
 
Rick Brass
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Casciato
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[dwight]

It's OK Danny, you make good points, no objection here, just personally I
like diesel

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: January 29, 2014 11:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow.
LOL

 

Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one from
Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after receiving
it...  OOORRR...  he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace that and
all the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for a minimum
of another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like what prop,
shaft, whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know, 2 or 3
weekends...  Then there is all the adjustments and testing another weekend
at least.

 

What is the gain,  It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be sailing and not
chugging along under power for days at a time?  I mean the diesel with most
certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no more than the cost
to convert it.  The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my opinion, better
suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing.  I guess if your going to do
some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a good decision.  Then
there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your boat and fuel
consumption.  Of course there is truth to those statements but, how many
boats do we hear about exploding every year?  Fuel consumption?  again, if
your passage making, but if you're just using it to get in and out harbors
or to motor home for a few hours when there is no wind, I really don't see
the benefit.  You can get gas at far more marinas than diesel too...
Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a diesel!

 

End of rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL

 

Go A4!!!  

Danny!!

 

P.S.  Just for full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't
run the way I think it should...



-- Original Message --
From: "dwight" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400

 

 

OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30.I got one in my 35 MKII and it fits
well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on.it is also
basically a Kubota engine I believe

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best "almost an
A4" diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.

I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
minutes of the ad going up.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Josh

 

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
silk.he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel.that's
a really good combo.It does require a significant expense to do the job, but
why not, especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret
having a could auxiliary propulsion system 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view
 &id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD

On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:

My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Aaron R.

1979 30-MK1

Annapolis, MD


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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Jack Brennan]

I think modern sailors use their engines much more than that, which would 
explain the popularity of diesels.

I sailed for many years out of Pompano Beach, Fl., and got to see the annual 
migration of sailboats from the Northeast and Canada down to Florida and the 
Bahamas.

I would guess that 75 percent of the boats motored the Intracoastal instead of 
coastal port-hopping. It would be a beautiful day – sun shining, 10-15 knots 
winds from the east – and these huge cruising boats would rumble along in the 
ditch while locals were racing Lasers on the ocean. Dozens of theses cruisers 
passed by every day, hitting a drawbridge every four miles, when they could 
have scooted out an inlet and gone sailing.

I don’t have an explanation for it. I just saw it.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.



From: djhaug...@juno.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow.  LOL

Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one from 
Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after receiving 
it...  OOORRR...  he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace that and all 
the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for a minimum of 
another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like what prop, shaft, 
whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know, 2 or 3 weekends...  
Then there is all the adjustments and testing another weekend at least.

What is the gain,  It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be sailing and not 
chugging along under power for days at a time?  I mean the diesel with most 
certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no more than the cost to 
convert it.  The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my opinion, better suited 
for coastal cruising and day-sailing.  I guess if your going to do some passage 
making then, yes, the diesel would be a good decision.  Then there is all the 
rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your boat and fuel consumption.  Of course 
there is truth to those statements but, how many boats do we hear about 
exploding every year?  Fuel consumption?  again, if your passage making, but if 
you're just using it to get in and out harbors or to motor home for a few hours 
when there is no wind, I really don't see the benefit.  You can get gas at far 
more marinas than diesel too...  Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter 
than a diesel!

End of rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL

Go A4!!!  
Danny!!

P.S.  Just for full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't run 
the way I think it should...


-- Original Message --
From: "dwight" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400






OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it fits well 
in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is also basically a 
Kubota engine I believe






From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4



Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best “almost an A4” 
diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.

I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an 
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45 
minutes of the ad going up.



Joe Della Barba

Coquina



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4



Josh



If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on a 
35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4) 
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so I 
ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little 4 
cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as silk…he 
also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the diesel…that’s a really 
good combo…It does require a significant expense to do the job, but why not, 
especially if ones intends to keep the boat, you never regret having a could 
auxiliary propulsion system 






From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4



I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in 
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow.  LOL 
Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one from 
Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after receiving 
it...  OOORRR...  he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace that and all 
the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for a minimum of 
another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like what prop, shaft, 
whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know, 2 or 3 weekends...  
Then there is all the adjustments and testing another weekend at least. What is 
the gain,  It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be sailing and not chugging along 
under power for days at a time?  I mean the diesel with most certainly add to 
the value of your boat, but probably no more than the cost to convert it.  The 
Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my opinion, better suited for coastal 
cruising and day-sailing.  I guess if your going to do some passage making 
then, yes, the diesel would be a good decision.  Then there is all the rhetoric 
about unsafe gasoline in your boat and fuel consumption.  Of course there is 
truth to those statements but, how many boats do we hear about exploding every 
year?  Fuel consumption?  again, if your passage making, but if you're just 
using it to get in and out harbors or to motor home for a few hours when there 
is no wind, I really don't see the benefit.  You can get gas at far more 
marinas than diesel too...  Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than 
a diesel! End of rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL Go A4!!!  Danny!! 
P.S.  Just for full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't run 
the way I think it should...

-- Original Message --
From: "dwight" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400


 
 
OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it fits 
well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is also 
basically a Kubota engine I believe
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe
 Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 
Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best “almost 
an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an 
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45 
minutes of the ad going up.
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 
Josh
 
If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on a 
35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4) 
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so I 
ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little 4 
cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as 
silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the 
diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a 
significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends to 
keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion system 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley
 Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 
I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in 
converting to diesel.
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR
Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

[Jim Watts]

It is far easier to work on the mast when it's out, and it's a pretty easy
(and relatively inexpensive) process. I took the opportunity to replace all
the mast wiring while it was on the hard. You can use the old transducer
wiring to pull the new wire through. Given the chance, I would avoid a
splice at the masthead.
Having the mast at ground level really gives you a chance to inspect it
thoroughly for any other issues.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 29 January 2014 07:14, Jean-Francois J Rivard wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am scheduling the boat for a haul-out and complete bottom job in late
> February (I'm going with a burnished Trinidad SR finish) .  While the boat
> is out I'll replace my aging Raymarine ST50+ instruments for a new B&G
> Triton setup to complement my new B&G Zeus Touch 7 Chartplotter.
>
> Earlier, I did ask B&G if I could re-use the wiring for the wind vane an
> the answer was yes.. But according to 2 experts I asked the real
> challenge is the mounting block.  They are both saying that it is
> extremely challenging if not impossible to replace the mounting block /
> splice the wire, and mount the new wind vane while the mast is in situ.
>  The guy  with the most experience said that more often than not it's
> easier to un-step the mast.  He's familiar with my boat and its keel
> stepped mast.
>
> The boat will be at the yard on the hard and they have all all the cranes
> / equipment necessary to make it easier.  He also said that most of the
> work is in the prep-->  Removing / documenting running rigging,
> disconnecting the mast wiring, loosening the standing rigging and stuff
> like that which I can do myself.
>
> I still have the original owner's binder and they provide fairly specific
> and detailed instructions on the process.  Is it really not that big a
> deal?
>
> As for the hull transducer I think I'm in luck.  My old Airmar  transducer
> has a standard  2" through-hull and so does the new speed / depth / temp
> unit. .  I might actually be able to just drop that in and either remove /
> plug the hole on the old depth transducer or just unplug it and  leave it
> alone.
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 C&C 34+ *Take Five*
> Lake Lanier, Georgia
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Winch grease, Harken or Lewmar?

[Jim Watts]

I have a tube of Barient winch grease, of all things. I actually *use* the
Lewmar grease.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 24 January 2014 18:25, Dennis C.  wrote:

> I agree.  Winches are one of the most neglected pieces of hardware on a
> sailboat.  I get a lot more work repairing marine heads than I do cleaning
> and lubricating winches.  A lot of boat owners wait until their winches are
> practically seized up before they figure it out.
>
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>   --
>  *From:* John irvin 
> *To:* Dennis C. ; "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:*
> *Subject:* RE: Stus-List Winch grease, Harken or Lewmar?
>
> The most important thing is to clean and lubricate often.
> --
> From: Dennis C.
> Sent: 24/01/2014 18:03
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch grease, Harken or Lewmar?
>
> I usually use the Harken on port winches and the Lewmar on starboard
> winches.  Or is it the other way around?
>
> Seriously, they're both good.  I think it's more important to not
> over-apply the grease than which grease you use.  More is not necessarily
> better when greasing winches.  Excess grease may collect in pawl pockets or
> run out on the deck.
>
> I think I prefer the Lewmar simply because it's a lighter color.  In the
> Deep South, I worry more about the grease getting hot in the sun and
> running out of the winches.  Niether the Harken or Lewmar seems to do
> that.  But should it run, I'd rather the lighter color on the gelcoat.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* Chuck S 
> *To:* cnc-list CNC boat owners 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:19 PM
> *Subject:* Stus-List Winch grease, Harken or Lewmar?
>
> Thought I'd ask the experts,  "Which winch grease is better to service my
> 1989 Barient (aluminum drum) winches?"  21, 27, 28
>
> Harken synthetic?  Black, waterproof, non-aging.  3.5 oz for $12.89
>
> Lewmar Multi-Purpose?  Tan, Calcium-sulphonate based, like Lubriplate AA
> 3.5 oz for $15.49
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
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Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall

[Daniel Sheer]

I bought Pegathy, a 38LF, in Florida 2 yrs ago. Sailed it up to Baltimore 
mainly outside using the old ST3000 autopilot (Walter) that came with the boat. 
It's a belt drive wheel unit. Worked very well, except for one night on a run 
in 25kt winds with an 6-8 ft pretty confused following sea left over from 
sub-tropical storm Beryl. That night (Charleston to Beaufort inlet, main alone 
and dolphins alongside) we had to steer. 


In all other conditions, balancing the boat was crucial to getting the 
autopilot stable, and the sensitivity adjustment was very important, too. I've 
found that Walter can handle up to about 18kts apparent on the Chesapeake, 
higher if the boat is very well balanced, in which case I hardly need it. 
Balanced, Pegathy will sail close-hauled all by herself even in winds up to 
20kts apparent (135 Genoa, no reefs). I think she goes faster if I don't touch 
the wheel - it's amazing to watch her go up in the puffs and down in the lulls. 
As far as I'm concerned, the LF 38 deserves its reputation for wonderful 
sailing characteristics. 


The system also does very well on a close reach. Walter sailed the boat up the 
Bay at hull speed about 40 miles and missed the mark by a couple hundred yards 
at the end, even though the ST3000 does not connect to the chartplotter. Never 
touched the wheel or the autopilot, though I did adjust the sails. We outran 
the trawlers. Luck had something to do with that one. Downwind course holding 
is worse than upwind, of course. Replacing the unit is on the to-do list, but 
lower priority, given that most of my sailing is on the Bay. 


Bottom line - I'd try the X5 before spending money on a new unit, unless you 
expect long trips in high seas and strong winds. I'm guessing that you'll 
eventually replace it, like I will. Per other threads, I may name the new unit 
Otter.


Congrats on buying a wonderful sailing boat.


Dan Sheer
Pegathy 1980 LF38 

Rock Creek off the Patapsco



-Original Message- 
From: Paul Eugenio
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:19 PM
To: javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall

Hi,

After many years of enjoying (and fixing/upgrading) my C&C 29 I have am 
upgrading to a 38 Landfall.   I few years ago I installed an X-5 wheel 
autopilot on my 29-1.    The old specs for the X-5 put a 38LF right near the 
upper limits.   I am planning on moving the X-5 over to the 38LF before 
selling the 29-1.    Does anyone have any experience with how the X-5 
performs on a 38 Landfall under sail?   I am sure it would perform fine 
under engine power, and I have learned with a tender vessel like a 29-1, 
that good sail balance is key to a happy autopilot performance, so I would 
think that giving the stiffer sailing characteristics of the 38LF that the 
X-5 may perform fairly ok.      Input from 38LF autopilot users is greatly 
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Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

[Gary Nylander]

Un-stepping the mast is a no-brainer. I have done it over a dozen times (the 
yard used to require it when storing on the hard, so it was annual) including 
last fall. Depending on how your wiring is set up, just tag each wire with 
where it is hooked up. Before you have the mast pulled, as you are 
disconnecting the shrouds, forestay and backstay, just tape the threads at the 
turnbuckle where they meet and you will be close enough for your settings next 
season.

My wiring was connected at a junction block under the dinette seat (30-1). I 
just drew a diagram of which color was under each screw and took them apart. 
The only other wire was the VHF antenna and that was unscrewed (barrel 
connector). 

I do all that by myself and have the yard's crane pull the mast and lay it on 
the saw horses. I tie up everything, pull the halyards and replace them with 
messenger lines (1/4 nylon) so they last longer, disassemble the spreaders and 
look everything over (connections for shrouds, condition of the wire, etc.) as 
'usual' maintenance. I am doing that every three years or so (now that is is 
not required by insurance) just to satisfy myself that there are no issues. It 
takes a few hours.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:14 AM
  Subject: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane


  Hello all, 

  I am scheduling the boat for a haul-out and complete bottom job in late 
February (I'm going with a burnished Trinidad SR finish) .  While the boat is 
out I'll replace my aging Raymarine ST50+ instruments for a new B&G Triton 
setup to complement my new B&G Zeus Touch 7 Chartplotter.  

  Earlier, I did ask B&G if I could re-use the wiring for the wind vane an the 
answer was yes.. But according to 2 experts I asked the real challenge is the 
mounting block.  They are both saying that it is extremely challenging if not 
impossible to replace the mounting block / splice the wire, and mount the new 
wind vane while the mast is in situ.  The guy  with the most experience said 
that more often than not it's easier to un-step the mast.  He's familiar with 
my boat and its keel stepped mast.

  The boat will be at the yard on the hard and they have all all the cranes / 
equipment necessary to make it easier.  He also said that most of the work is 
in the prep-->  Removing / documenting running rigging, disconnecting the mast 
wiring, loosening the standing rigging and stuff like that which I can do 
myself.  

  I still have the original owner's binder and they provide fairly specific and 
detailed instructions on the process.  Is it really not that big a deal? 

  As for the hull transducer I think I'm in luck.  My old Airmar  transducer 
has a standard  2" through-hull and so does the new speed / depth / temp unit. 
.  I might actually be able to just drop that in and either remove / plug the 
hole on the old depth transducer or just unplug it and  leave it alone.  

  -Francois Rivard
  1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
  Lake Lanier, Georgia






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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[OldSteveH]

ors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
is greatly appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

[DAVID R MOCNY]

I'm home in the snow, I'm usually a week behind reading these.
Hopefully you will be pulling at Aqualand. Stumpy is a master with the travel 
lift. You will have to pull the mast before you pull the boat because he can 
not lift high enough with the boat on the hard. I have pulled or helped with a 
few boats and it is not a big deal. Take photos before disassemble, tag 
everything, put small pieces in zip lock bags and mark with sharpies.  Since 
you just bough Take Five, it would be good to pull the mast and do an 
inspection and any maintance, not to mention the new masthead unit.  Working on 
the sawhorses is a lot easier than a bosons chair. Holler if I can help, except 
sanding, your on your own there.   David



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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:14 AM EST Jean-Francois J Rivard wrote:

>
>Hello all,
>
>I am scheduling the boat for a haul-out and complete bottom job in late
>February (I'm going with a burnished Trinidad SR finish) .  While the boat
>is out I'll replace my aging Raymarine ST50+ instruments for a new B&G
>Triton setup to complement my new B&G Zeus Touch 7 Chartplotter.
>
>Earlier, I did ask B&G if I could re-use the wiring for the wind vane an
>the answer was yes.. But according to 2 experts I asked the real challenge
>is the mounting block.  They are both saying that it is extremely
>challenging if not impossible to replace the mounting block / splice the
>wire, and mount the new wind vane while the mast is in situ.  The guy  with
>the most experience said that more often than not it's easier to un-step
>the mast.  He's familiar with my boat and its keel stepped mast.
>
>The boat will be at the yard on the hard and they have all all the cranes /
>equipment necessary to make it easier.  He also said that most of the work
>is in the prep-->  Removing / documenting running rigging, disconnecting
>the mast wiring, loosening the standing rigging and stuff like that which I
>can do myself.
>
>I still have the original owner's binder and they provide fairly specific
>and detailed instructions on the process.  Is it really not that big a
>deal?
>
>As for the hull transducer I think I'm in luck.  My old Airmar  transducer
>has a standard  2" through-hull and so does the new speed / depth / temp
>unit. .  I might actually be able to just drop that in and either remove /
>plug the hole on the old depth transducer or just unplug it and  leave it
>alone.
>
>-Francois Rivard
>1990 C&C 34+ Take Five
>Lake Lanier, Georgia
>


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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Della Barba, Joe]

e also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the 
diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a 
significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends to 
keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion system 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley
 Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 
I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in 
converting to diesel.
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

[Alan Bergen]

Before the mast comes down, you can check the other wiring that comes down the 
mast - masthead anchor light, steaming light, deck/spreader light. Look at it 
where it is connected inside the cabin to see whether it's marine grade wiring. 
Mine was zip cord in the mast, and marine grade from the mast to the circuit 
breaker panel. Once the mast was down, I replaced the zip cord with marine 
grade wiring. Also, you might want to consider replacing wire rope halyards 
with all rope.while the mast is down. Check the sheaves to see whether they're 
worn, and need to be replaced. If so, you can get new ones from Zephyrwerks 
http://www.zephyrwerks.com . If you do replace the halyards, you may or may not 
have to replace the sheaves. If the sheaves have a groove for wire, you should 
replace them. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 
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Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe)

[Davidmidkiff]

$210.00

 

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Peter Fell]

engine I believe

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best
“almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
minutes of the ad going up.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Josh

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the
diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a
significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends
to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion
system

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Stevan Plavsa]

ar more marinas
> than diesel too...  Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a
> diesel! End of rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL Go A4!!!
>  Danny!! P.S.  Just for full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL
> doesn't run the way I think it should...
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "dwight" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400
>
>
>
>
> OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it
> fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it
> is also basically a Kubota engine I believe
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
> Barba, Joe
>  Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
>
> Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best
> “almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
> I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by
> an engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
> minutes of the ad going up.
>
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
>
> Josh
>
> If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4
> on a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
> disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
> I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
> 4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
> silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the
> diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a
> significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends
> to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion
> system
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
> Muckley
>  Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
>
> I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
> converting to diesel.
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
> AY-MOTOR
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
> AY-MOTOR
> Josh Muckley
>  S/V Sea Hawk
>  Solomons, MD
> On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
> My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
> major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any
> leads is greatly appreciated.
>
>  Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> 1979 30-MK1
> Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Stevan Plavsa]

at a time?  I mean the
>> diesel with most certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no
>> more than the cost to convert it.  The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my
>> opinion, better suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing.  I guess if
>> your going to do some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a good
>> decision.  Then there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your
>> boat and fuel consumption.  Of course there is truth to those statements
>> but, how many boats do we hear about exploding every year?  Fuel
>> consumption?  again, if your passage making, but if you're just using it to
>> get in and out harbors or to motor home for a few hours when there is no
>> wind, I really don't see the benefit.  You can get gas at far more marinas
>> than diesel too...  Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a
>> diesel! End of rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL Go A4!!!
>>  Danny!! P.S.  Just for full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL
>> doesn't run the way I think it should...
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "dwight" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and
>> it fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits
>> on…it is also basically a Kubota engine I believe
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
>> Barba, Joe
>>  Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
>>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
>>
>> Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best
>> “almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
>> I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by
>> an engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
>> minutes of the ad going up.
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
>>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4
>> on a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
>> disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
>> I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
>> 4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
>> silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the
>> diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a
>> significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends
>> to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion
>> system
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
>> Muckley
>>  Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
>>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
>>
>> I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
>> converting to diesel.
>>
>> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
>> AY-MOTOR<http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR>
>>
>> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
>> AY-MOTOR<http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EBAY-MOTOR>
>> Josh Muckley
>>  S/V Sea Hawk
>>  Solomons, MD
>> On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
>> My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
>> major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any
>> leads is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> Aaron R.
>> 1979 30-MK1
>> Annapolis, MD
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[Stu]

On our recent travels, I noticed that diesel gas was up to $.80 more a 
gallon than regular unleaded.  How does that compare at your marina?


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Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

[Neil Andersen]

Also I remember seeing something in this discussion thread about ways to 
minimize or eliminate the slapping halyard issues.  I think it was to run wires 
and halyards inside of Styrofoam pipe wrappers (like people use to insulate 
water pipes).

 

Can someone weigh in (pun intended) on my memory?

 

Neil

FoxFire, 1982 C&C 32

Worton Creek, MD

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

 

Before the mast comes down, you can check the other wiring that comes down the 
mast - masthead anchor light, steaming light, deck/spreader light.  Look at it 
where it is connected inside the cabin to see whether it's marine grade wiring. 
 Mine was zip cord in the mast, and marine grade from the mast to the circuit 
breaker panel.  Once the mast was down, I replaced the zip cord with marine 
grade wiring.  Also, you might want to consider replacing wire rope halyards 
with all rope.while the mast is down.  Check the sheaves to see whether they're 
worn, and need to be replaced.  If so, you can get new ones from Zephyrwerks 
http://www.zephyrwerks.com.  If you do replace the halyards, you may or may not 
have to replace the sheaves.  If the sheaves have a groove for wire, you should 
replace them.

 

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

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Re: Stus-List Bow sprit

[wwadjo...@aol.com]

Thanks to all who replied.  This will await spring and more careful measuring.  
I will keep you posted if I move forward with project.   Florida beckons.  
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Evening Star
Pentwater, Mi

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From: "TOM VINCENT" 
To: "C&C Forum" 
Subject: Stus-List Bow sprit
Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 4:52 PM

Bill,

I too got excited about adding a bow sprit to my C&C 36' and purchased one at 
the Annapolis Boat show in 2012. I did some homework and decided on the 
Sparcraft 80mm. It was purchased from JSI and they gave me a boat show 
discount. The unit was shipped from Charleston Spar, Inc. and sat in my 
basement until the spring of 2013. I took it to the boat and after many efforts 
to make it fit, I decided to return it. JSI refunded my money. The problem I 
had was the anchor roller made it impossible to mount it. My suggestion is to 
make a trip to Lowes and purchase a 6' long piece of 4" pvc pipe and see if it 
is possible to install it on your bow. 

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[djhaug...@juno.com]

 boat and fuel consumption. �Of course 
there is truth to those statements but, how many boats do we hear about 
exploding every year? �Fuel consumption? �again, if your passage 
making, but if you're just using it to get in and out harbors or to motor home 
for a few hours when there is no wind, I really don't see the benefit. 
�You can get gas at far more marinas than diesel too... �Besides, 
they don't stink and they're quieter than a diesel! End of rant, �Sorry 
I couldn't stop myself... �LOL Go A4!!! �Danny!! P.S. 
�Just for full disclosure, �My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL 
doesn't run the way I think it should...
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: "dwight" 
 To: 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400
 
 
 
 
 OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it 
fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is 
also basically a Kubota engine I believe
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
Barba, Joe
 �Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
 �To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 �Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 
 Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best “almost 
an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
 I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an 
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45 
minutes of the ad going up.
 
 Joe Della Barba
 Coquina
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
 �Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
 �To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 �Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 
 Josh
 
 If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on a 
35 MKII. �I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4) 
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so I 
ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
 4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as 
silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the 
diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a 
significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends to 
keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion system
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley
 �Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
 �To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 �Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
 
 I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in 
converting to diesel.
 http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
 AY-MOTOR
 http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
 AY-MOTOR
 Josh Muckley
 �S/V Sea Hawk
 �Solomons, MD
 On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
 My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other major 
issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads is 
greatly appreciated.
 
 �Cheers,
 Aaron R.
 1979 30-MK1
 Annapolis, MD
 
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Re: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February

[Edd Schillay]

Chuck,

I just took a look at the Tun Tavern Lunch Menu and it looks great — 
plus being less than 400 feet from the convention center makes the whole thing 
painless. 

I’m planning to drive down in the new shuttlecraft on Friday night, 
stay over, do the show on Saturday and figure we can do a lunch at Tun around 
1:00ish? 

So far it’s you, me and Tom Vincent. Anyone else going to the show?




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website

On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Count me in!
> OK, I must be slippin.  There are a few things to see in Atlantic City, but 
> she's a bit bleak in winter and Feb is usually our worst weather of the 
> entire year.
>   
> I would suggest the following places: 
> Back Bay Ale House at:   backbayalehouse.com/  (order the "cheeseburger in 
> Paradise" w french fries w Old Bay seasoning)
> Chelsea Pub:chelseapubandinn.com/pub.html
> TunTavern:  tuntavern.com/index.htmb ( pricey but walking distance from 
> show.)  Known for steaks at medium prices and microbrewed beers.
> 
> White House Sub Shop is famous and makes a great "white house special"   
> Order several "to go" on your way home, and you will make friends for life 
> once you get home.  If they know you are travelling, they will make the 
> sandwiches dry, so they last for several days.
> 
> If you are staying over,
> Gilchrist's:  Located in Gardners Basin, Atlantic City.  Best place for 
> breakfast, home cooking on the water:  (best pancakes in the world!)   Down 
> home cooking at down home prices.  
> 
> Irish Pub:  on St James and the boardwalk makes a nice place for lunch.  The 
> menu is somewhat limited but food is good.  The Poor Richard is lowest priced 
> in the city, soup and sandwich.  It changes every day, but at $2.95, if it 
> doesn't fill you up order a second and your bill will be under $6 before 
> drinks and tax.  Saves money for beer.
> 
> Sights:
> Absecon Island Lighthouse:  http://abseconlighthouse.org/  $5 to $7 donation 
> gets you the best view of the city.  No elevators, so you need to climb over 
> 200 steps to the top.  
> 
> Lucy The Elelphant:  not sure it will be open
> 
> Revel is the newest and most elaborate casino.
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Edd Schillay" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:06:24 PM
> Subject: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February
> 
> Listers,
> 
>   Anyone planning to attend the Atlantic City Boat Show? If so, anyone 
> interested in having a meet-up organized?  
> 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
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>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website (THE COUNTDOWN HAS BEGUN!)
> 
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Gary Nylander]

a, Joe

Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best 
“almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by 
an engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 
45 minutes of the ad going up.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Josh

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 
on a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4) 
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and 
so I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that 
little
4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as 
silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the 
diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a 
significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends 
to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion 
system


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Muckley

Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in 
converting to diesel.

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other 
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any 
leads is greatly appreciated.


Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Sébastien Lemieux]

Any chance someone would have a photograph of those hooks?

I noticed that on my 30-2 the collar is free floating and I have been attaching 
the halyard blocks to it without thinking about the tension being generated on 
the deck.  Last summer, I noticed the forward panel of the port settee being 
detached from the hull, i'm assuming this small panel (maybe 2 square feet) 
acts as a partial bulkhead.  On the 30-2 the "wall" of the cabin is angled, 
there is a clear change in the angle when the rig is tensioned.

--
Sébastien Lemieux
Merlot X, C&C 30-2 1988
Lake Champlain

On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:16 , dwight  wrote:

> Many of us and I think you too Dennis, on Touche, have those “J” hooks which 
> fasten to the mast inside the cabin and the collar outside.  Mine are not 
> adjustable but I must say I have never experienced problems with doors caused 
> either by backstay tension (the most I have ever used is 3000 lbs) or sitting 
> on the hard…my boat rests on blocks below its keel and 6 jack stands, 3 per 
> side which bear some of the weight of the boat, I tightened those adjustable 
> stands hand tight only using the wing nut adjusters, no mechanical 
> multiplier, and I check them regularly during winter storage because we often 
> get several freeze / thaw cycles during winter, like over the last month for 
> example. Interior doors always swing and close freely
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Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

[Gary Nylander]

Way 1 - pipe wrappers
Way 2 - install a tube in the mast - pop rivet it to the aft side and run the 
wires up the tube
Way 3 - wire tie wraps placed around the bundle of wires - every two or so feet 
with the tails out at a 60 degree angle to each other and left intact. The tie 
wrap tails keep the wire bundle from banging the sides of the mast.
Way 4 - wireless instruments 

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Neil Andersen 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane


  Also I remember seeing something in this discussion thread about ways to 
minimize or eliminate the slapping halyard issues.  I think it was to run wires 
and halyards inside of Styrofoam pipe wrappers (like people use to insulate 
water pipes).

   

  Can someone weigh in (pun intended) on my memory?

   

  Neil

  FoxFire, 1982 C&C 32

  Worton Creek, MD

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:56 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Do I un-step the mast to install new Wind Vane

   

  Before the mast comes down, you can check the other wiring that comes down 
the mast - masthead anchor light, steaming light, deck/spreader light.  Look at 
it where it is connected inside the cabin to see whether it's marine grade 
wiring.  Mine was zip cord in the mast, and marine grade from the mast to the 
circuit breaker panel.  Once the mast was down, I replaced the zip cord with 
marine grade wiring.  Also, you might want to consider replacing wire rope 
halyards with all rope.while the mast is down.  Check the sheaves to see 
whether they're worn, and need to be replaced.  If so, you can get new ones 
from Zephyrwerks http://www.zephyrwerks.com.  If you do replace the halyards, 
you may or may not have to replace the sheaves.  If the sheaves have a groove 
for wire, you should replace them.

   

  Alan Bergen

  35 Mk III Thirsty

  Rose City YC

  Portland, OR



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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Gary Nylander]

I can describe them. They are made of flat stainless, about an inch wide and 
six to eight inches long - about 3/16 thick. They lay flat on the side of the 
mast and are bolted to each other through the mast with stainless bolts and 
nylock nuts - maybe 3/8 or so (two in a vertical plane). The hook is pointed 
outward to go over the mast ring.

My mast ring has small indents in it on each side just the size of the hook 
part. Probably not mandatory, as they aren't going anywhere.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sébastien Lemieux 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:21 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List structural question


  Any chance someone would have a photograph of those hooks?


  I noticed that on my 30-2 the collar is free floating and I have been 
attaching the halyard blocks to it without thinking about the tension being 
generated on the deck.  Last summer, I noticed the forward panel of the port 
settee being detached from the hull, i'm assuming this small panel (maybe 2 
square feet) acts as a partial bulkhead.  On the 30-2 the "wall" of the cabin 
is angled, there is a clear change in the angle when the rig is tensioned.


  --
  Sébastien Lemieux
  Merlot X, C&C 30-2 1988
  Lake Champlain


  On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:16 , dwight  wrote:


Many of us and I think you too Dennis, on Touche, have those “J” hooks 
which fasten to the mast inside the cabin and the collar outside.  Mine are not 
adjustable but I must say I have never experienced problems with doors caused 
either by backstay tension (the most I have ever used is 3000 lbs) or sitting 
on the hard…my boat rests on blocks below its keel and 6 jack stands, 3 per 
side which bear some of the weight of the boat, I tightened those adjustable 
stands hand tight only using the wing nut adjusters, no mechanical multiplier, 
and I check them regularly during winter storage because we often get several 
freeze / thaw cycles during winter, like over the last month for example. 
Interior doors always swing and close freely


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Re: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis

[Joel Aronson]

Chuck,

I plan to leave the 15th or 16th.  The total trip should be 6 days, but if
you want to jump off in Norfolk that would be OK, and cut 2 days off the
trip.  I've got a 35/e, The Office.  Please let me know if you are
interested.

Joel


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Hi Joel,
> What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C
> owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.
> Your plan is to leave *Bermuda*, June 15th and 16th?
> Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
> Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach
> Annapolis?
> Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> --
> *From: *"Joel Aronson" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
> *Subject: *Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis
>
> All,
>
> My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3
> fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return
> trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk
> (to clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return,
> please contact me off-list.
>
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Rick Brass]

diesel would be a good
decision.  Then there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your boat
and fuel consumption.  Of course there is truth to those statements but, how
many boats do we hear about exploding every year?  Fuel consumption?  again,
if your passage making, but if you're just using it to get in and out
harbors or to motor home for a few hours when there is no wind, I really
don't see the benefit.  You can get gas at far more marinas than diesel
too...  Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a diesel! End of
rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL Go A4!!!  Danny!! P.S.  Just for
full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't run the way I
think it should...

-- Original Message --
From: "dwight" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400




OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it
fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is
also basically a Kubota engine I believe

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best
“almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an
engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
minutes of the ad going up.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Josh

If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the
diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a
significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends
to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion
system

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
converting to diesel.
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
AY-MOTOR
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
Solomons, MD
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Aaron R.
1979 30-MK1
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Martin DeYoung]

The 1980 C&C 36 I once owned had those same flat SS brackets between the mast 
and the underside of the mast collar.  I understood those brackets to prevent 
the upward force of the halyards and other lines from lifting/distorting the 
deck.

On Calypso we have a ¾" SS rod that runs from the mast step through the deck 
(just forward of the mast) to prevent deck lifting.

With the combo of rig tension pulling up and in on the chain plates and the 
halyards pulling up near the mast it is not a surprise that distortion of the 
hull shape creates gaps around non-tabbed bulkheads.

On a C&C 39 I crewed on we would often trap someone in the head by tightening 
up the baby stay.  The fore/aft bulkhead that the head door was connected to 
would distort enough to lock the door shut.  Typically the stunt would be used 
on a newbie's first sail or the owner's wife.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List structural question

I can describe them. They are made of flat stainless, about an inch wide and 
six to eight inches long - about 3/16 thick. They lay flat on the side of the 
mast and are bolted to each other through the mast with stainless bolts and 
nylock nuts - maybe 3/8 or so (two in a vertical plane). The hook is pointed 
outward to go over the mast ring.

My mast ring has small indents in it on each side just the size of the hook 
part. Probably not mandatory, as they aren't going anywhere.

Gary
- Original Message -
From: Sébastien Lemieux
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List structural question

Any chance someone would have a photograph of those hooks?

I noticed that on my 30-2 the collar is free floating and I have been attaching 
the halyard blocks to it without thinking about the tension being generated on 
the deck.  Last summer, I noticed the forward panel of the port settee being 
detached from the hull, i'm assuming this small panel (maybe 2 square feet) 
acts as a partial bulkhead.  On the 30-2 the "wall" of the cabin is angled, 
there is a clear change in the angle when the rig is tensioned.

--
Sébastien Lemieux
Merlot X, C&C 30-2 1988
Lake Champlain

On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:16 , dwight 
mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Many of us and I think you too Dennis, on Touche, have those "J" hooks which 
fasten to the mast inside the cabin and the collar outside.  Mine are not 
adjustable but I must say I have never experienced problems with doors caused 
either by backstay tension (the most I have ever used is 3000 lbs) or sitting 
on the hard...my boat rests on blocks below its keel and 6 jack stands, 3 per 
side which bear some of the weight of the boat, I tightened those adjustable 
stands hand tight only using the wing nut adjusters, no mechanical multiplier, 
and I check them regularly during winter storage because we often get several 
freeze / thaw cycles during winter, like over the last month for example. 
Interior doors always swing and close freely

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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Wally Bryant]

You can get a good look at them from a few angles on my Spartite page: 



You might be able to have something similar fabricated for a reasonable 
price.


Wal

Gary Nylander wrote:

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Bill Coleman]

3 1/2 years ago we had a bad blowup at the gas dock (Erie)
I heard a KaBoom and looked up to see parts flying 50 feet above the gas
dock.
Several very bad burns, and one of the bur victim's young bride down below
was killed.  Still in litigation, suspect bad vent hoses, I think. 
I don't want anything to do with Gasoline, I'm forgetful enough without
something else to remember.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Fell
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Interesting stats from USCG:

http://www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_statistics.aspx

I haven't read through the entire document but from 2012:

Out of 2454 accidents related to operation of vessel, 21 were a caused by 
failure to ventilate. 0 deaths.

Out of 468 accidents related to failure of boat or boat equipment, 12 fuel 
system failures and 6 ventilation failures. 0 deaths.

Out of 694 accidents related to miscellaneous causes, 66 were caused by 
ignition of fuel or vapor. 1 death.

I'm assuming that the miscellaneous category includes ignition of other 
sources such as propane heating / cooking and perhaps alcohol stoves.

If you have a gas outboard on your boat then you already carry gasoline. 
Given that the tank usually isn't internal but still I think the percentages

overall are quite low and of course those stats would include accidents 
related to outboards, I am fairly sure.

When I rebuilt my A4 I replaced the old aluminum fuel tank and all my fuel 
lines and fittings at the same time  since with the engine in-place, the

old tank wasn't coming out without some significant surgery. The new tank I 
can fit through the cockpit locker no problem.

I also made sure that the low-oil pressure cut-off switch for the fuel pump 
was replaced and working and properly fused. The existing switch was not 
working and had been bypassed!! ... I am pretty sure by a mechanic!! (since 
the PO did not do any of his own maintenance or repairs).

-Original Message- 
From: OldSteveH
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Three years ago I was doing work up my mast about 100 ft away from a 40`
wooden Chriscraft which exploded during refuelling.
It was shocking and there was no warning for those nearby. My point - it's
more than rhetoric or something you only hear about. It can actually happen.

Second observation - a friend rebuilt his A4 last winter, reinstalled in the
spring and found out his tranny was seized. R&R all over again.
The message - take the time to go over everything and rebuild/refurbish as
necessary. You don't want to take it out twice. Of course same goes for any
engine.

3rd - my 3GM will use about 1/4 tank of fuel motoring and motor sailing for
13 hours. How will that compare with gasoline - I think there's a big
difference.

Not criticizing the idea of keeping an A4, just being aware of some risks
and differences.

Cheers,

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Aaron Rouhi]

gt; To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> Message-ID: <20140129.102616.2156...@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow.
> LOL Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one
> from Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after
> receiving it...  OOORRR...  he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace
> that and all the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for
> a minimum of another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like
> what prop, shaft, whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know,
> 2 or 3 weekends...  Then there is all the adjustments and testing another
> weekend at least. What is the gain,  It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be
> sailing and not chugging along under power for days at a time?  I mean the
> diesel with most certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no
> more than the cost to convert it.  The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my
> opinion, better suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing.  I guess if
> your going to do some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a good
> decision.  Then there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your boat
> and fuel consumption.  Of course there is truth to those statements but, how
> many boats do we hear about exploding every year?  Fuel consumption?  again,
> if your passage making, but if you're just using it to get in and out
> harbors or to motor home for a few hours when there is no wind, I really
> don't see the benefit.  You can get gas at far more marinas than diesel
> too...  Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a diesel! End of
> rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL Go A4!!!  Danny!! P.S.  Just for
> full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't run the way I
> think it should...
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "dwight" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> 
> OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it
> fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is
> also basically a Kubota engine I believe
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
> Barba, Joe
> Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> 
> Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best
> “almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
> I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an
> engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
> minutes of the ad going up.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> 
> Josh
> 
> If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
> a 35 MKII.  I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
> disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
> I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
> 4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
> silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the
> diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a
> significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends
> to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion
> system
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
> Muckley
> Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> 
> I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
> converting to diesel.
> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
> AY-MOTOR
> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
> AY-MOTOR
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> Solomons, MD
> On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
> My good friend just lost his Atomic 4 on a 35-2 (cracked head and other
> major issues). He's looking for another Atomic 4 as a replacement. Any leads
> is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> 1979 30-MK1
> Annapolis, MD
> 
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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Bill Coleman]

Mine had the tangs, but they didn't hook over the collar, they bent at right
angles and were bolted onto the bolts that came through the collar. I didn't
like them, and put a rod immediately in front of the mast and through the
front of the collar, Like Calypso, I guess.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List structural question

You can get a good look at them from a few angles on my Spartite page: 


You might be able to have something similar fabricated for a reasonable 
price.

Wal

Gary Nylander wrote:
>Any chance someone would have a photograph of those hooks?


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Re: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February

[Chuck S]

Edd, 

That sounds great! 
Phone signal has been spotty once inside the show, but please text me when you 
go to the show? 



Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Edd Schillay"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:16:36 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February 

Chuck, 


I just took a look at the Tun Tavern Lunch Menu and it looks great — plus being 
less than 400 feet from the convention center makes the whole thing painless. 


I’m planning to drive down in the new shuttlecraft on Friday night, stay over, 
do the show on Saturday and figure we can do a lunch at Tun around 1:00ish? 


So far it’s you, me and Tom Vincent. Anyone else going to the show? 







All the best, 


Edd 




Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website 


On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Chuck S < cscheaf...@comcast.net > wrote: 




Count me in! 
OK, I must be slippin. There are a few things to see in Atlantic City, but 
she's a bit bleak in winter and Feb is usually our worst weather of the entire 
year. 

I would suggest the following places: 
Back Bay Ale House at: backbayalehouse.com/ (order the "cheeseburger in 
Paradise" w french fries w Old Bay seasoning) 
Chelsea Pub : chelseapubandinn.com/pub.html 
TunTavern : tuntavern.com/index.htmb ( pricey but walking distance from show.) 
Known for steaks at medium prices and microbrewed beers. 

White House Sub Shop is famous and makes a great "white house special" Order 
several "to go" on your way home, and you will make friends for life once you 
get home. If they know you are travelling, they will make the sandwiches dry, 
so they last for several days. 

If you are staying over, 
Gilchrist's : Located in Gardners Basin, Atlantic City. Best place for 
breakfast, home cooking on the water: (best pancakes in the world!) Down home 
cooking at down home prices. 

Irish Pub: on St James and the boardwalk makes a nice place for lunch. The menu 
is somewhat limited but food is good. The Poor Richard is lowest priced in the 
city, soup and sandwich. It changes every day, but at $2.95, if it doesn't fill 
you up order a second and your bill will be under $6 before drinks and tax. 
Saves money for beer. 

Sights: 
Absecon Island Lighthouse : http://abseconlighthouse.org/ $5 to $7 donation 
gets you the best view of the city. No elevators, so you need to climb over 200 
steps to the top. 

Lucy The Elelphant : not sure it will be open 

Revel is the newest and most elaborate casino. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Edd Schillay" < e...@schillay.com > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:06:24 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February 

Listers, 


Anyone planning to attend the Atlantic City Boat Show? If so, anyone interested 
in having a meet-up organized? 






All the best, 


Edd 




Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February

[Edd Schillay]

You got it — Tom V., please private-mail me your cell number too. And anyone 
else that’s coming. 




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website

On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Edd,
> 
> That sounds great!  
> Phone signal has been spotty once inside the show, but please text me when 
> you go to the show? 
> 
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Edd Schillay" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:16:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February
> 
> Chuck,
> 
>   I just took a look at the Tun Tavern Lunch Menu and it looks great — 
> plus being less than 400 feet from the convention center makes the whole 
> thing painless. 
> 
>   I’m planning to drive down in the new shuttlecraft on Friday night, 
> stay over, do the show on Saturday and figure we can do a lunch at Tun around 
> 1:00ish? 
> 
>   So far it’s you, me and Tom Vincent. Anyone else going to the show?
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
> 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
> 
> Count me in!
> OK, I must be slippin.  There are a few things to see in Atlantic City, but 
> she's a bit bleak in winter and Feb is usually our worst weather of the 
> entire year.
>   
> I would suggest the following places: 
> Back Bay Ale House at:   backbayalehouse.com/  (order the "cheeseburger in 
> Paradise" w french fries w Old Bay seasoning)
> Chelsea Pub:chelseapubandinn.com/pub.html
> TunTavern:  tuntavern.com/index.htmb ( pricey but walking distance from 
> show.)  Known for steaks at medium prices and microbrewed beers.
> 
> White House Sub Shop is famous and makes a great "white house special"   
> Order several "to go" on your way home, and you will make friends for life 
> once you get home.  If they know you are travelling, they will make the 
> sandwiches dry, so they last for several days.
> 
> If you are staying over,
> Gilchrist's:  Located in Gardners Basin, Atlantic City.  Best place for 
> breakfast, home cooking on the water:  (best pancakes in the world!)   Down 
> home cooking at down home prices.  
> 
> Irish Pub:  on St James and the boardwalk makes a nice place for lunch.  The 
> menu is somewhat limited but food is good.  The Poor Richard is lowest priced 
> in the city, soup and sandwich.  It changes every day, but at $2.95, if it 
> doesn't fill you up order a second and your bill will be under $6 before 
> drinks and tax.  Saves money for beer.
> 
> Sights:
> Absecon Island Lighthouse:  http://abseconlighthouse.org/  $5 to $7 donation 
> gets you the best view of the city.  No elevators, so you need to climb over 
> 200 steps to the top.  
> 
> Lucy The Elelphant:  not sure it will be open
> 
> Revel is the newest and most elaborate casino.
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Edd Schillay" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:06:24 PM
> Subject: Stus-List Atlantic City Boat Show in February
> 
> Listers,
> 
>   Anyone planning to attend the Atlantic City Boat Show? If so, anyone 
> interested in having a meet-up organized?  
> 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website (THE COUNTDOWN HAS BEGUN!)
> 
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Martin DeYoung]

>... a hardcore sailor.
>... has water in cylinders...

The summer of 1979 I was delivering a C&C 39 back to Seattle from Hawaii (post 
Transpac).  We planned to cut through the NE Pacific High by motoring.  On deck 
was 30 gallons of gasoline to fuel the Atomic 4.  We had been powering for +-12 
hours and stopped the engine to swim and make a SSB call.

The A4 never started again.  We were +-1,500 miles from Cape Flattery in a 
large area of very light wind.  The A4 had been sucking salt water in through 
the carb.  A cooling hose had chafed enough to allow a fine spray of raw salt 
water to be ingested.  There was enough water in the cylinders to rust/freeze 
them solid.

We pulled the head and used all of our shade tree mechanic tricks to bring the 
A4 back to life but to no avail.  The "Midnight Special" had become a pure 
sailboat in the middle of the NE Pacific High.  Our worst day's progress was 30 
miles.  It took 29 days to make Seattle.  We rationed food and water.  At one 
point, close to land not far from Port Townsend my then girlfriend, now wife 
stated "get me close to land, I'm swimming for it".

We sailed the 39 directly into its slip after +- 2,500 miles with 30 gallons of 
gasoline still on deck.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

[cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

Thanks for all your replies. Great suggestions as always.

My friend is indeed a hardcore sailor. He just sailed from St Marteen to Fort 
Myers single handed and without a working engine. The cost of switching to a 
Diesel is prohibitive at this moment so he wants to stay with A4. I just spoke 
to him and he knows he has water in cylinders but not sure if it's a crack head 
or block. Moyer is a great place to start. I've forwarded all of your emails to 
him.

Thank you again!

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe)

[Don Harben]

$221.87
 
  Don 
         


 From: Davidmidkiff 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:28:05 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe)
 


$210.00
 
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Peter Fell]

re of some risks
> and differences.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:26:16 GMT
> From: "djhaug...@juno.com" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> Message-ID: <20140129.102616.2156...@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow.
> LOL Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one
> from Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after
> receiving it... OOORRR... he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace
> that and all the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for
> a minimum of another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like
> what prop, shaft, whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know,
> 2 or 3 weekends... Then there is all the adjustments and testing another
> weekend at least. What is the gain, It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be
> sailing and not chugging along under power for days at a time? I mean the
> diesel with most certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no
> more than the cost to convert it. The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my
> opinion, better suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing. I guess if
> your going to do some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a good
> decision. Then there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your boat
> and fuel consumption. Of course there is truth to those statements but, how
> many boats do we hear about exploding every year? Fuel consumption? again,
> if your passage making, but if you're just using it to get in and out
> harbors or to motor home for a few hours when there is no wind, I really
> don't see the benefit. You can get gas at far more marinas than diesel
> too... Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a diesel! End of
> rant, Sorry I couldn't stop myself... LOL Go A4!!! Danny!! P.S. Just for
> full disclosure, My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't run the way I
> think it should...
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "dwight" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:41:43 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> 
> OK Joe, same for the Universal M4-30…I got one in my 35 MKII and it
> fits well in the space with no apparent mods to what it sits on…it is
> also basically a Kubota engine I believe
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
> Barba, Joe
> Sent: January 29, 2014 10:11 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> 
> Nothing is an *exact* drop in, but Beta Marine has IMHO the best
> “almost an A4” diesels. They are based on Kubota blocks.
> I lucked out and got a very nice A4 that had been rebuilt as a project by an
> engineering officer for $1500 on Craigslist. I bought it within about 45
> minutes of the ad going up.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:08 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> 
> Josh
> 
> If so, I believe the Universal M4-30 is a drop in replacement for the A4 on
> a 35 MKII. I know the previous owner of my 35 MKII after several (4)
> disappointments with A4 replacement engines or heads took the plunge and so
> I ended up getting a 35MKII with a diesel already installed and that little
> 4 cylinder has lots of power for the boat and runs quiet and smooth as
> silk…he also changed to the H5 Autoprop when he installed the
> diesel…that’s a really good combo…It does require a
> significant expense to do the job, but why not, especially if ones intends
> to keep the boat, you never regret having a could auxiliary propulsion
> system
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
> Muckley
> Sent: January 29, 2014 8:14 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
> 
> I know he's looking for an Atomic 4 but I thought he might find value in
> converting to diesel.
> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=221361267650&globalID=EB
> AY-MOTOR
> http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=131102768897&globalID=EB
> AY-MOTOR
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> Solomons, MD
> On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Aaron Rouhi"  wrote:
> My good f

Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Harry Hallgring]

So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown 
cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside which 
was empty. Odd???

Harry

Sent from my old iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joel,
> What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C 
> owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.  
> Your plan is to leave Bermuda, June 15th and 16th?  
> Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
> Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach 
> Annapolis?
> Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Joel Aronson" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
> Subject: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis
> 
> All,
> 
> My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3 
> fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return 
> trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk 
> (to clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return, 
> please contact me off-list.
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
> joel.aron...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Joel Aronson]

Yes!

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Harry Hallgring 
wrote:

> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New
> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger
> brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box
> inside which was empty. Odd???
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  'cvml', 'cscheaf...@comcast.net');>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Joel,
> What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C
> owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.
> Your plan is to leave *Bermuda*, June 15th and 16th?
> Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
> Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach
> Annapolis?
> Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> --
> *From: *"Joel Aronson"  'joel.aron...@gmail.com');>>
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com  'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
> *Subject: *Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis
>
> All,
>
> My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3
> fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return
> trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk
> (to clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return,
> please contact me off-list.
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Bill Coleman]

Jeeze Harry, that's a tough break.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 



On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Harry Hallgring 
wrote:

So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire
last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown
cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside
which was empty. Odd???

Harry

 

Sent from my old iPhone


On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  > wrote:

Hi Joel,
What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C
owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.  
Your plan is to leave Bermuda, June 15th and 16th?  
Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach
Annapolis?
Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ


  _  


From: "Joel Aronson"  >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
Subject: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis

All,

 

My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3
fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return
trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk
(to clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return,
please contact me off-list.


 

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[jtsails]

And a diesel engine would have died the same death! I have an A4 in my 38 and 
am very satisfied with it for my uses. Anybody wants to get rid of one, contact 
me, I'll probably buy it for spare parts or to rebuild and sell. Great engine! 
And I have never read a story of a boat with an A4 blowing up. Fuel consumption 
on my 38 is a shade over a gallon/hr. I worry more about fuel age than range, 
but an A4 will run on damn near anything (don't ask too many questions on that 
one, but cheap vodka works! among other flammable liquids). No more than basic 
shade tree mechanic skills needed to maintain or even rebuild them, I've 
rebuilt two. Most problems are related to the ignition (there are two nice 
electronic modules available now days) and carb (clean fuel, just like a diesel 
but easier). 
James Taylor
S/V Delaney
C&C 38 
Oriental, NC
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martin DeYoung 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4


  >. a hardcore sailor.

  >. has water in cylinders.

   

  The summer of 1979 I was delivering a C&C 39 back to Seattle from Hawaii 
(post Transpac).  We planned to cut through the NE Pacific High by motoring.  
On deck was 30 gallons of gasoline to fuel the Atomic 4.  We had been powering 
for +-12 hours and stopped the engine to swim and make a SSB call.

   

  The A4 never started again.  We were +-1,500 miles from Cape Flattery in a 
large area of very light wind.  The A4 had been sucking salt water in through 
the carb.  A cooling hose had chafed enough to allow a fine spray of raw salt 
water to be ingested.  There was enough water in the cylinders to rust/freeze 
them solid.

   

  We pulled the head and used all of our shade tree mechanic tricks to bring 
the A4 back to life but to no avail.  The "Midnight Special" had become a pure 
sailboat in the middle of the NE Pacific High.  Our worst day's progress was 30 
miles.  It took 29 days to make Seattle.  We rationed food and water.  At one 
point, close to land not far from Port Townsend my then girlfriend, now wife 
stated "get me close to land, I'm swimming for it".

   

  We sailed the 39 directly into its slip after +- 2,500 miles with 30 gallons 
of gasoline still on deck.

   

  Martin

  Calypso

  1971 C&C 43

  Seattle




   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:57 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

   

  Thanks for all your replies. Great suggestions as always.

   

  My friend is indeed a hardcore sailor. He just sailed from St Marteen to Fort 
Myers single handed and without a working engine. The cost of switching to a 
Diesel is prohibitive at this moment so he wants to stay with A4. I just spoke 
to him and he knows he has water in cylinders but not sure if it's a crack head 
or block. Moyer is a great place to start. I've forwarded all of your emails to 
him. 

   

  Thank you again!

   

  Cheers,

  Aaron R.

  Admiral Maggie,

  1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540

  Annapolis, MD

   



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Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

[Steve Sharkey]

Thanks, I’ll let you know.  I was talking to the guy that will do the 
installation today and he said that they have had good experiences with the 
responsiveness on the Garmin units and that the setup is easy.

From: Pete Shelquist 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

Steve – 

I agree with your approach to stick with native N2K gear and can share my 
experience with Garmin instruments and Raymarine autopilot.  Trying to get the 
two to communicate and have the autopilot sail off AWA is futile.   The problem 
is, and this is where this list will either turn into a flame war or spiral out 
of control, the Raymarine x-30  controller that I bought, and was told to be 
N2k, isn’t.  I had to buy an additional black box to get onto the N2K backbone. 
 So yes, $250 later now it communicates, however the sample rate is so slow 
that the autopilot will lag the windshifts and start hunting all over the 
place.   Give the autopilot a compass heading (and don’t get me started on the 
inaccuracy of Raymarine compass) and it’ll steer it all day long.  Try to go 
off a wind angle and it’s crap.  

 

Let me know how you like the Garmin AP.  I’ve heard good things about the 
Shadow Drive functionality and would like to go that route if I can find 
someone to buy the x-30 from me.  

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

 

Briefly, but the Raymarine autopilot interfaces to the existing Garmin 
Chartplotter through the NEMA 183 connection and I think that the integration 
with the new instruments and the chartplotter will be better through the NEMA 
2000 network with all Garmin gear.

 

From: Joel Aronson 

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:09 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

 

Steve 

Did you look at using the old control head with a new under deck unit?

Joel

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Steve Sharkey  wrote:

I’m going with a Garmin unit.  I have two Garmin chartplotters on the boat and 
am also replacing the old Datamarine instruments with Garmin instruments.  
Almost everything is NEMA2000 and will be connected.  I’ve always found the 
Garmin equipment to be reliable and easy to use and they have the best customer 
service that I’ve every experienced.

 

From: Richard N. Bush 

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:40 AM

To: javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck autopilot for 37

 

Steve, what unit are you getting and how difficult do you expect installation 
to be?  Do you plan to have it connect with other navigational units, like 
chartplotter, etc? Cost? thanks

Richard

1985  37 On ice for now...

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Sharkey 

To: cnc-list 
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall

I have an X-5 on my C&C 37 and it is inadequate for anything but the most mild 
conditions or motoring.  I'm having it replaced this winter with an under deck 
unit. Steve1983 C&C 37Impromptu -Original Message- From: Paul 
EugenioSent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:19 PMTo: 
javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');Subject: Stus-List 
Raymarine X-5 wheel autopilot on a 38 Landfall Hi, After many years of enjoying 
(and fixing/upgrading) my C&C 29 I have am upgrading to a 38 Landfall.   I few 
years ago I installed an X-5 wheel autopilot on my 29-1.The old specs for 
the X-5 put a 38LF right near the upper limits.   I am planning on moving the 
X-5 over to the 38LF before selling the 29-1.Does anyone have any 
experience with how the X-5 performs on a 38 Landfall under sail?   I am sure 
it would perform fine under engine power, and I have learned with a tender 
vessel like a 29-1, that good sail balance is key to a happy autopilot 
performance, so I would think that giving the stiffer sailing characteristics 
of the 38LF that the X-5 may perform fairly ok.  Input from 38LF autopilot 
users is greatly welcomed. yours very truly, -Paul E.1979 C&C 29 Mk1( 1981 C&C 
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Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

[Dennis C.]

Explosivity of gasoline? - No
Increased fuel economy? - Maybe
Torque/horsepower? - Yes

The AT4 is rated at 28-30 hp at nearly 3000 rpm.  The AT4 torque/hp curve is 
fairly steep.  That is, at 1400 rpm, the AT4 is only generating 12 hp or so.  
At 2400 rpm, it's about 20 hp.  Torque follows hp closely.

Most marine AT4's have a 1:1 tranny.  That means, in order to generate 30 hp, 
the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm.  That's why AT4 props are usually pitched 
around 6.  Exclusive of the Indogo prop which has a somewhat flexible pitch, at 
3000 rpm in heavy seas, most likely, the prop will be cavitating and not 
efficiently transferring the horsepower to the water.

On the other hand, diesel torque curves are fairly flat.  A Universal 25XPB 
reaches max torque at 2000 rpm.  With a 2:1 reduction tranny, the prop is only 
spinning 1000 rpm.  Diesel props are pitched around 14-15.  You get a lot more 
bite with a higher pitch prop.

In practical terms, imagine you are punching into 2-4 foot seas.  With an AT4, 
you might make 2-3 knots and a LOT of bubbles.  (Been there, done that.  
Touche' had an AT4 when I bought it.)  With a diesel, you might be making 4-5 
knots.  BIG difference.

Let me relate another experience.  One day we were struggling against 20-25 
knots and 1-2 foot seas in Touche' (35-1) with the AT4.  We were making 2-3 
knots.  My friend came by us in his 35-1.  He was making 5-6 knots.  His 35-1 
had a Universal 25 XPB with a 14 x 14 2 blade folding Martec prop.  Even with 
the folding prop, he was waaay faster than us.

After I repowered Touche' I had to motor off a lee shore in a tropical storm.  
45 knots and 2-3 foot seas.  I cringe at the thought of having to do that with 
an AT4.

Before the repower, I had to carry extra fuel or stop halfway to refuel on my 
way to Pensacola from Lake Pontchartrain.  Now I can make it all the way 
motoring if I don't run hard.

Please don't take me wrong.  I like the AT4.  I respect the AT4.  I've owned 2 
of them.  I think it's a great engine for motoring in and out of a harbor.  I 
don't think it's a great engine for certain white knuckle situations or for 
motoring long distances.

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Stus-List Rudder removal

[Jason Shoemake]

Dennis,
She's here in Hattiesburg MS. She'll dock in Bay St Louis or GPT, haven't 
decided yet.  I had her trucked here from St Augustine FL. 
Thanks for mentioning Lee, I'll look him up and call him.
Regards,
Jason
'78 C&C 29 MK1 

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Martin DeYoung]

> And a diesel engine would have died the same death!

Here is my auxiliary engine score card for offshore passages (longer than 800 
miles, more than 20 miles offshore):

Gas, A4
3 trips OK
1 trip total fail (water in cylinder)

Diesel, various mfg.'s
2 significant failures, (1 water in cylinder, 1 broken rocker arm)
4 minor issues, mostly fuel related
7 OK

When it comes to carrying extra fuel on deck for long passages I have a 
personal preference for diesel.  Also, if your internal fuel tank/hoses leak 
diesel will be less trouble in the bilge.

The last power (tow) boat I owned had twin I/O gas engines.  I was very 
diligent about checking the engine space bilge prior to starting and had no 
gasoline related safety issues in 3 years of commercial use.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

And a diesel engine would have died the same death! I have an A4 in my 38 and 
am very satisfied with it for my uses. Anybody wants to get rid of one, contact 
me, I'll probably buy it for spare parts or to rebuild and sell. Great engine! 
And I have never read a story of a boat with an A4 blowing up. Fuel consumption 
on my 38 is a shade over a gallon/hr. I worry more about fuel age than range, 
but an A4 will run on damn near anything (don't ask too many questions on that 
one, but cheap vodka works! among other flammable liquids). No more than basic 
shade tree mechanic skills needed to maintain or even rebuild them, I've 
rebuilt two. Most problems are related to the ignition (there are two nice 
electronic modules available now days) and carb (clean fuel, just like a diesel 
but easier).
James Taylor
S/V Delaney
C&C 38
Oriental, NC
- Original Message -
From: Martin DeYoung
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

>... a hardcore sailor.
>... has water in cylinders...

The summer of 1979 I was delivering a C&C 39 back to Seattle from Hawaii (post 
Transpac).  We planned to cut through the NE Pacific High by motoring.  On deck 
was 30 gallons of gasoline to fuel the Atomic 4.  We had been powering for +-12 
hours and stopped the engine to swim and make a SSB call.

The A4 never started again.  We were +-1,500 miles from Cape Flattery in a 
large area of very light wind.  The A4 had been sucking salt water in through 
the carb.  A cooling hose had chafed enough to allow a fine spray of raw salt 
water to be ingested.  There was enough water in the cylinders to rust/freeze 
them solid.

We pulled the head and used all of our shade tree mechanic tricks to bring the 
A4 back to life but to no avail.  The "Midnight Special" had become a pure 
sailboat in the middle of the NE Pacific High.  Our worst day's progress was 30 
miles.  It took 29 days to make Seattle.  We rationed food and water.  At one 
point, close to land not far from Port Townsend my then girlfriend, now wife 
stated "get me close to land, I'm swimming for it".

We sailed the 39 directly into its slip after +- 2,500 miles with 30 gallons of 
gasoline still on deck.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[dwight]

That's the good thing about this list.people seem to like what they got.that
is a fine testament to the brand.are any manufacturers nowadays building
sailboats with gasoline powered inboard engines or sail drives?

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

And a diesel engine would have died the same death! I have an A4 in my 38
and am very satisfied with it for my uses. Anybody wants to get rid of one,
contact me, I'll probably buy it for spare parts or to rebuild and sell.
Great engine! And I have never read a story of a boat with an A4 blowing up.
Fuel consumption on my 38 is a shade over a gallon/hr. I worry more about
fuel age than range, but an A4 will run on damn near anything (don't ask too
many questions on that one, but cheap vodka works! among other flammable
liquids). No more than basic shade tree mechanic skills needed to maintain
or even rebuild them, I've rebuilt two. Most problems are related to the
ignition (there are two nice electronic modules available now days) and carb
(clean fuel, just like a diesel but easier). 

James Taylor

S/V Delaney

C&C 38 

Oriental, NC

- Original Message - 

From: Martin DeYoung   

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:55 PM

Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

>. a hardcore sailor.

>. has water in cylinders.

 

The summer of 1979 I was delivering a C&C 39 back to Seattle from Hawaii
(post Transpac).  We planned to cut through the NE Pacific High by motoring.
On deck was 30 gallons of gasoline to fuel the Atomic 4.  We had been
powering for +-12 hours and stopped the engine to swim and make a SSB call.

 

The A4 never started again.  We were +-1,500 miles from Cape Flattery in a
large area of very light wind.  The A4 had been sucking salt water in
through the carb.  A cooling hose had chafed enough to allow a fine spray of
raw salt water to be ingested.  There was enough water in the cylinders to
rust/freeze them solid.

 

We pulled the head and used all of our shade tree mechanic tricks to bring
the A4 back to life but to no avail.  The "Midnight Special" had become a
pure sailboat in the middle of the NE Pacific High.  Our worst day's
progress was 30 miles.  It took 29 days to make Seattle.  We rationed food
and water.  At one point, close to land not far from Port Townsend my then
girlfriend, now wife stated "get me close to land, I'm swimming for it".

 

We sailed the 39 directly into its slip after +- 2,500 miles with 30 gallons
of gasoline still on deck.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Rouhi
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

 

Thanks for all your replies. Great suggestions as always.

 

My friend is indeed a hardcore sailor. He just sailed from St Marteen to
Fort Myers single handed and without a working engine. The cost of switching
to a Diesel is prohibitive at this moment so he wants to stay with A4. I
just spoke to him and he knows he has water in cylinders but not sure if
it's a crack head or block. Moyer is a great place to start. I've forwarded
all of your emails to him. 

 

Thank you again!

 

Cheers,

Aaron R.

Admiral Maggie,

1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540

Annapolis, MD

 


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Re: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

[dwight]

Correct you are, Dennis.been there done that myself with my A4 and my diesel

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: January 29, 2014 8:37 PM
To: Cn Clist
Subject: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

 

Explosivity of gasoline? - No

Increased fuel economy? - Maybe

Torque/horsepower? - Yes

 

The AT4 is rated at 28-30 hp at nearly 3000 rpm.  The AT4 torque/hp curve is
fairly steep.  That is, at 1400 rpm, the AT4 is only generating 12 hp or so.
At 2400 rpm, it's about 20 hp.  Torque follows hp closely.

 

Most marine AT4's have a 1:1 tranny.  That means, in order to generate 30
hp, the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm.  That's why AT4 props are usually
pitched around 6.  Exclusive of the Indogo prop which has a somewhat
flexible pitch, at 3000 rpm in heavy seas, most likely, the prop will be
cavitating and not efficiently transferring the horsepower to the water.

 

On the other hand, diesel torque curves are fairly flat.  A Universal 25XPB
reaches max torque at 2000 rpm.  With a 2:1 reduction tranny, the prop is
only spinning 1000 rpm.  Diesel props are pitched around 14-15.  You get a
lot more bite with a higher pitch prop.

 

In practical terms, imagine you are punching into 2-4 foot seas.  With an
AT4, you might make 2-3 knots and a LOT of bubbles.  (Been there, done that.
Touche' had an AT4 when I bought it.)  With a diesel, you might be making
4-5 knots.  BIG difference.

 

Let me relate another experience.  One day we were struggling against 20-25
knots and 1-2 foot seas in Touche' (35-1) with the AT4.  We were making 2-3
knots.  My friend came by us in his 35-1.  He was making 5-6 knots.  His
35-1 had a Universal 25 XPB with a 14 x 14 2 blade folding Martec prop.
Even with the folding prop, he was waaay faster than us.

 

After I repowered Touche' I had to motor off a lee shore in a tropical
storm.  45 knots and 2-3 foot seas.  I cringe at the thought of having to do
that with an AT4.

 

Before the repower, I had to carry extra fuel or stop halfway to refuel on
my way to Pensacola from Lake Pontchartrain.  Now I can make it all the way
motoring if I don't run hard.

 

Please don't take me wrong.  I like the AT4.  I respect the AT4.  I've owned
2 of them.  I think it's a great engine for motoring in and out of a harbor.
I don't think it's a great engine for certain white knuckle situations or
for motoring long distances.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

[Peter Fell]

Keep in mind that a lot of the C&C’s supposedly came with the ‘Stevador’ 
version of the A4, which had a restrictor plate in the intake manifold. My C&C 
27 owner’s manual (1980 version) lists them used up to the C&C 36. Horsepower 
on these ‘Canadian’ market A4’s was limited to 15hp.

I think you only get RPM’s up in the 3000 range with the 2:1 drive on the A4, 
which again same source lists as being used on the C&C 34 and 36. 2-bladed 
props for those listed at 16x10.

The spec, and general rule of thumb that I understand is that the A4 has to get 
up to 1800 rpm at hull speed.  I’ve read a lot of posts on Moyer’s site, etc. 
where owners report maxing out at 2000 or so.

The Indigo prop is a 3-blade 10-inch by 7.7-inch pitch bronze prop that maker 
claims gets WOT up to about 2400 rpm, with cruise in the 1900 range. The CDI 
‘perfect pitch’ 2-blade 12 x 7 plastic propeller is the one that flexes down to 
about 12 x 6 with load .. Dennis you might have been thinking of that one.

Now that all being said my ‘79 C&C 27 did not have the restrictor plate ... and 
is 1:1 and still has the original 11x7 2-blade fixed prop.  I don’t have a tach 
(yet) so I can’t give you any data.

Personally I’m contemplating a Flex-o-fold for mine ... they recommend a 12x7 
2-blade at $1030 (US) including shipping. Maybe the Indigo ($350).  But 
probably not this year though ... I’ll put a tach in a and gather some baseline 
data 1st.

ANYWAY  to the OP – keep your eye out. I obtained an entire A4 freshwater 
cooled parts engine for the cost of a good bottle of scotch and a bottle of gin!



From: Dennis C. 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:37 PM
To: Cn Clist 
Subject: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

Explosivity of gasoline? - No
Increased fuel economy? - Maybe
Torque/horsepower? - Yes

The AT4 is rated at 28-30 hp at nearly 3000 rpm.  The AT4 torque/hp curve is 
fairly steep.  That is, at 1400 rpm, the AT4 is only generating 12 hp or so.  
At 2400 rpm, it's about 20 hp.  Torque follows hp closely.

Most marine AT4's have a 1:1 tranny.  That means, in order to generate 30 hp, 
the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm.  That's why AT4 props are usually pitched 
around 6.  Exclusive of the Indogo prop which has a somewhat flexible pitch, at 
3000 rpm in heavy seas, most likely, the prop will be cavitating and not 
efficiently transferring the horsepower to the water.

On the other hand, diesel torque curves are fairly flat.  A Universal 25XPB 
reaches max torque at 2000 rpm.  With a 2:1 reduction tranny, the prop is only 
spinning 1000 rpm.  Diesel props are pitched around 14-15.  You get a lot more 
bite with a higher pitch prop.

In practical terms, imagine you are punching into 2-4 foot seas.  With an AT4, 
you might make 2-3 knots and a LOT of bubbles.  (Been there, done that.  
Touche' had an AT4 when I bought it.)  With a diesel, you might be making 4-5 
knots.  BIG difference.

Let me relate another experience.  One day we were struggling against 20-25 
knots and 1-2 foot seas in Touche' (35-1) with the AT4.  We were making 2-3 
knots.  My friend came by us in his 35-1.  He was making 5-6 knots.  His 35-1 
had a Universal 25 XPB with a 14 x 14 2 blade folding Martec prop.  Even with 
the folding prop, he was waaay faster than us.


After I repowered Touche' I had to motor off a lee shore in a tropical storm.  
45 knots and 2-3 foot seas.  I cringe at the thought of having to do that with 
an AT4.


Before the repower, I had to carry extra fuel or stop halfway to refuel on my 
way to Pensacola from Lake Pontchartrain.  Now I can make it all the way 
motoring if I don't run hard.


Please don't take me wrong.  I like the AT4.  I respect the AT4.  I've owned 2 
of them.  I think it's a great engine for motoring in and out of a harbor.  I 
don't think it's a great engine for certain white knuckle situations or for 
motoring long distances.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[bobmor99 .]

Ox, nee Caliber, came with a rebuilt-and-on-a-pallet A4 when I bought her 8
or so years ago. Since then, I've left the dock under A4 power ~400 times
and returned to the dock under A4 power ~398 times. That works for me and
my daysailing ways.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:26 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Every time someone brings up the A4, the diesel suggestions start to flow.
>  LOL
>
> Okay the guy needs a head, he can buy a completely new aftermarket one
> from Moyer for $450 and be back on the water in, literally hours after
> receiving it...  OOORRR...  he can buy a used diesel for $2500 and replace
> that and all the fuel lines and fuel tank and filters and whatever else for
> a minimum of another probably $1500 or $2000 in parts and periferals like
> what prop, shaft, whatever, and install it all himself in, oh i don't know,
> 2 or 3 weekends...  Then there is all the adjustments and testing another
> weekend at least.
>
> What is the gain,  It's sail boat, isn't the idea to be sailing and not
> chugging along under power for days at a time?  I mean the diesel with most
> certainly add to the value of your boat, but probably no more than the cost
> to convert it.  The Atomic 4 is a great motor and, in my opinion, better
> suited for coastal cruising and day-sailing.  I guess if your going to do
> some passage making then, yes, the diesel would be a good decision.  Then
> there is all the rhetoric about unsafe gasoline in your boat and fuel
> consumption.  Of course there is truth to those statements but, how many
> boats do we hear about exploding every year?  Fuel consumption?  again, if
> your passage making, but if you're just using it to get in and out harbors
> or to motor home for a few hours when there is no wind, I really don't see
> the benefit.  You can get gas at far more marinas than diesel too...
>  Besides, they don't stink and they're quieter than a diesel!
>
> End of rant,  Sorry I couldn't stop myself...  LOL
>
> Go A4!!!
> Danny!!
>
> P.S.  Just for full disclosure,  My brand new A4 from Moyer STILL doesn't
> run the way I think it should...
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Sébastien Lemieux]

Thanks a lot, I do remember seeing something similar in my misc parts bin.  I 
will make sure to install them in spring.

cheers,

--
Sébastien Lemieux
Merlot X, C&C 30-2 1988
Lake Champlain

On Jan 29, 2014, at 16:47 , Wally Bryant  wrote:

> You can get a good look at them from a few angles on my Spartite page: 
> 
> 
> You might be able to have something similar fabricated for a reasonable price.
> 
> Wal
> 
> Gary Nylander wrote:
>>   Any chance someone would have a photograph of those hooks?
> 
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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Wally Bryant]

Jason just sent me a couple of pics of his hooks to post.  I cropped 
them down to just the hooks.


Apparently he has his rig out.  I don't know what that white stuff is on 
the ground.





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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[William D. Hall]

Sounds like they removed the defect!
Bill Hall
1985 C&C 37
Starfire 

On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:49 PM, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:

> Jeeze Harry, that’s a tough break.
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Harry Hallgring  wrote:
> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
> last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown 
> cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside 
> which was empty. Odd???
> 
> Harry
>  
> Sent from my old iPhone
> 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joel,
> What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C 
> owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.  
> Your plan is to leave Bermuda, June 15th and 16th?  
> Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
> Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach 
> Annapolis?
> Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Joel Aronson" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
> Subject: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis
> 
> All,
>  
> My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3 
> fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return 
> trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk 
> (to clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return, 
> please contact me off-list.
>  
> -- 
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> joel.aron...@gmail.com
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Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

[Dennis C.]

Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver area.  
Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday on the way to skiing 
Whistler/Blackcomb.

Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing territory.  Awesome 
scenery.

Really different from the Gulf Coast.

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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Jim Reinardy]

Sebastian,

My boat is a sister ship to yours and definitely has them installed similar to 
how Wally's picture shows them.  I could not find a picture but could take some 
next time I visit the boat if you need them.

Jim Reinardy
C&C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2014, at 3:21 PM, "Sébastien Lemieux"  
> wrote:
> 
> Any chance someone would have a photograph of those hooks?
> 
> I noticed that on my 30-2 the collar is free floating and I have been 
> attaching the halyard blocks to it without thinking about the tension being 
> generated on the deck.  Last summer, I noticed the forward panel of the port 
> settee being detached from the hull, i'm assuming this small panel (maybe 2 
> square feet) acts as a partial bulkhead.  On the 30-2 the "wall" of the cabin 
> is angled, there is a clear change in the angle when the rig is tensioned.
> 
> --
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> Merlot X, C&C 30-2 1988
> Lake Champlain
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:16 , dwight  wrote:
>> 
>> Many of us and I think you too Dennis, on Touche, have those “J” hooks which 
>> fasten to the mast inside the cabin and the collar outside.  Mine are not 
>> adjustable but I must say I have never experienced problems with doors 
>> caused either by backstay tension (the most I have ever used is 3000 lbs) or 
>> sitting on the hard…my boat rests on blocks below its keel and 6 jack 
>> stands, 3 per side which bear some of the weight of the boat, I tightened 
>> those adjustable stands hand tight only using the wing nut adjusters, no 
>> mechanical multiplier, and I check them regularly during winter storage 
>> because we often get several freeze / thaw cycles during winter, like over 
>> the last month for example. Interior doors always swing and close freely
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Re: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

[Jim Watts]

You didn't tell us you were coming! I could have probably lined up a ride
for you on Sunday.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 29 January 2014 18:20, Dennis C.  wrote:

> Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver area.
>  Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday on the way to
> skiing Whistler/Blackcomb.
>
> Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing territory.
>  Awesome scenery.
>
> Really different from the Gulf Coast.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Jim Watts]

They have probably replaced it with the new Raymarine Virtual Chartplotter.
You do have Google Glass, I hope.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 29 January 2014 18:18, William D. Hall  wrote:

> Sounds like they removed the defect!
> Bill Hall
> 1985 C&C 37
> Starfire
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:49 PM, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:
>
>  Jeeze Harry, that's a tough break.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Harry Hallgring 
> wrote:
>
> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New
> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger
> brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box
> inside which was empty. Odd???
>
> Harry
>
>
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  wrote:
>
>  Hi Joel,
> What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C
> owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.
> Your plan is to leave *Bermuda*, June 15th and 16th?
> Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
> Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach
> Annapolis?
> Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
>  --
>
> *From: *"Joel Aronson" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
> *Subject: *Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis
>
> All,
>
>
>
> My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3
> fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return
> trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk
> (to clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return,
> please contact me off-list.
>
>
>
> --
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> 301 541 8551
>
> joel.aron...@gmail.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

[Martin DeYoung]

Dennis,

Sailing the BC waters is much like sailing amongst the mountain tops.  When you 
get a chance search for images of Princess Louisa Inlet as a good example of 
the scenery.

>From Olympia Washington to SE Alaska the PNW offers +-1,000 miles of mostly 
>awesome inshore cruising.  After 30 year of cruising I have not run out of 
>excellent places to go.

Yup, big tides, cold water but I would not permanently trade it for anywhere 
else.  Hawaii, nowhere to go once there, Tonga and New Zealand, after a few 
months you will be repeating anchorages, San Francisco, awesome racing but 
where do you go to cruise besides the delta, So Cal, nice light air racing.

I have yet to cruise Mexico so I do not offer a comparison but I am confident 
other C&C lister's will chime in.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Cn Clist
Subject: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver area.  
Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday on the way to skiing 
Whistler/Blackcomb.

Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing territory.  Awesome 
scenery.

Really different from the Gulf Coast.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

[sam . c . salter]

I've been all over. The west coast is world class cruising. Chesapeake is great cruising too!  sam :-)C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta  From: Martin DeYoungSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:31 PMTo: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area







Dennis,
 
Sailing the BC waters is much like sailing amongst the mountain tops.  When you get a chance search for images of Princess Louisa Inlet as a good example of the
 scenery.
 
From Olympia Washington to SE Alaska the PNW offers +-1,000 miles of mostly awesome inshore cruising.  After 30 year of cruising I have not run out of excellent
 places to go.
 
Yup, big tides, cold water but I would not permanently trade it for anywhere else.  Hawaii, nowhere to go once there, Tonga and New Zealand, after a few months you
 will be repeating anchorages, San Francisco, awesome racing but where do you go to cruise besides the delta, So Cal, nice light air racing.
 
I have yet to cruise Mexico so I do not offer a comparison but I am confident other C&C lister’s will chime in.
 

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle



 


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Cn Clist
Subject: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area


 


Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver area.  Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday
 on the way to skiing Whistler/Blackcomb.


 


Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing territory.  Awesome scenery.


 


Really different from the Gulf Coast.


 


Dennis C.


Touche' 35-1 #83


Mandeville, LA





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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[djhaug...@juno.com]

my guess it you'll be getting a plain packaging on the replacement and they 
wanted you to have all your original packaging as they weren't going to be 
using it.  

-- Original Message --
From: Harry Hallgring 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:05:49 -0500


So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown 
cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside which 
was empty. Odd???

Harry Sent from my old iPhone
On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  wrote:

Hi Joel,
What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C 
owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.  
Your plan is to leave Bermuda, June 15th and 16th?  
Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach 
Annapolis?
Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJFrom: "Joel Aronson" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
Subject: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis

All, My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3 
fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return 
trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk (to 
clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return, please 
contact me off-list. -- 
Joel 
301 541 8551joel.aron...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Steve Sharkey]

At least it was prompt service.

From: Harry Hallgring 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown 
cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside which 
was empty. Odd???

Harry 

Sent from my old iPhone

On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  wrote:


  Hi Joel,
  What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C 
owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.  
  Your plan is to leave Bermuda, June 15th and 16th?  
  Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
  Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach 
Annapolis?
  Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?


  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Atlantic City, NJ


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  From: "Joel Aronson" 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
  Subject: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis


  All, 

  My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3 
fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return 
trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk (to 
clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return, please 
contact me off-list.


  -- 
  Joel 
  301 541 8551 
  joel.aron...@gmail.com

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[OldSteveH]

I am sending mine back. Hopefully they replace it with a wifi version, I'm
not sure if mine is wifi and can't tell because I have it at home right now.

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 03:05:51 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
Message-ID: <20140129.220551.1800...@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

my guess it you'll be getting a plain packaging on the replacement and they
wanted you to have all your original packaging as they weren't going to be
using it.  

-- Original Message --
From: Harry Hallgring 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:05:49 -0500


So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire
last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown
cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside
which was empty. Odd???


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Re: Stus-List structural question

[Frederick G Street]

The “white stuff” is what passes for normal ground-cover around here these 
days…   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Wally Bryant  wrote:

> Apparently he has his rig out.  I don't know what that white stuff is on the 
> ground.

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Re: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

[prf680]

Shhh! We don't speak of that out loud!

Actually its ok  much better on Vancouver Island anyway!





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 Original message 
From: "Dennis C."  
Date: 01-29-2014  6:20 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Cn Clist  
Subject: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area 
 
Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver area.  
Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday on the way to skiing 
Whistler/Blackcomb.

Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing territory.  Awesome 
scenery.

Really different from the Gulf Coast.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa - Insurance

[prf680]

So I did get word fom the adjuster of a revised settlement. I've ordered a 140 
genoa from a local loft - either made here locally or down in the US. My out of 
pocket cost will be about $400. The loft matched the North sails 20% Vancouver 
boat show discount.

Now all I have to do is get my furler sorted ... as per my separate posts on 
the subject.

 Original message 
From: Peter Fell  
Date: 12-30-2013  9:29 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa - Insurance 
 
Thanks Mike
 
Unfortunately while I have a lot of documentation from the previous owner, such 
as his logbook (he purchased the boat in 2004) ... no receipts for the sail. 
The boat was an estate sale so what I got is all I will get (I did ask the 
widow during the purchase process if there was any additional documentation). I 
also quizzed the PO’s last sailing partner, who was a wealth of info and had 
worked on several larger projects on the boat (e.g. electric windlass 
installation).
 
I think I shall do some boat show sail shopping ... and insurance (but that 
will have to wait till September).
 
Peter
 
From: Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 5:44 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa - Insurance
 
Peter
 
Once you have sorted this out you may wish to shop around your insurance which 
likely renews annually anyway.  I am currently with the "Mainstay Yacht Plan" 
(Fairway Insurance) and for sails it is as follows:
 
1 - 5 years old.  100% paid
6-10 years.  Owner pays 20%
11-15 years. Owner pays 25%
16-20 years.  Owner pays 35%
21-25 years. owner pays %50
25+  no coverage
 
Your sail was 10 years old - do you have receipts for previous owner?  Receipts 
would help with your ins co. 
 
A ten year old sail is not in any way comparablee to a new sail.  This is a 
roller furling 130% genoa on a C&C27-III.  I am guessing from that is the Go To 
sail for the boat and is well used over those ten years.  Sail shape will have 
been compromised and a new sail will be a delight
 
Regarding new sails.  Be careful what you buy.  There are some lofts that do 
not specialize in racing sails but make pretty good and reasonably fast sails 
anyway.  There are also lofts that make horrible sails.
 
Our boat came with many sails when we purchased in 2007. The newest was a 2004 
North Dacron Main 4800 Cruise.  It was three years old when we bought the boat. 
 This was made by North Sailes East in CT who also made an excellent roller 
furling 150 for the boat.  The main was absolutely horrible!  The draft pocket 
was huge and it was impossible to trim a decent shape into this sail.  PO paid 
$1682.22 for this sail in April 2004 and I used it twice and sold it for $300 
in 2011.  We used a 1995 UK Tape drive main in its place which was old but far 
far better- then we paid $3500 for a decent main sail in 2009.  The 1600 spent 
on this sail was a complete waste of money as the sail was useless and either a 
very poor design or a poor execution of a decent design.
 
You have a 27 mark 3 which has a rep as a tender boat.  You would benefit 
greatly from new flatter sails to keep the boat flat and fast.  I have been in 
the position of a tender boat with sails that seemed good but were older and 
bagged out.  The boat will heel excessively and you will be reefing or changing 
sails frequently.  A new sail with draft forward will transform a C&C 27-III
 
So speak to your adjuster and find a way for him to write the old sail off and 
consider what you get a discount on a new sail.
 
One final thing.  Watch the weather.  When big winds are predicted take the 
sail off the furler and store it in the boat.  Furled sails have a tendency to 
unfurl in a wind and get damaged.
 
Mike
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:03 AM
To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa

Perhaps they should simply consider the sail damaged beyond repair and offer 
you the depreciated value less your deductible. That would likely leave you 
with a damaged sail and next to no cash. 

Rich

On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:34, "Peter Fell"  wrote:

From my point of view it is what is considered ‘reasonable’ ... that’s a 
definition as I think most would agree would be open to interpretation. If a 
$500 repair results in a end-product that will “not bring the sail back to 
pre-damage condition”, then can it be considered ‘reasonable’? Granted, we all 
tend to accept that many repairs result in an end product not 100% as original.
 
From: Rich Knowles
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:51 PM
To: Peter Fell ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa
 
You said "Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only 
cover “reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred” for partial losses."

Can you reasonably expect more than what you

Re: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

[Russ & Melody]

Hi Dennis,

I wish that I knew you were coming into the area. It's only a couple 
o' hours for me on the ferry to get across (or 20 minutes by seaplane).


Sorry about the snow levels, it's 10% of a good year on most of the 
mountains. No kidding.
On the other hand, check real estate prices while you're in the area. 
You won't find them this high again in your lifetime or mine. :)


The tides can be your friend, Sweet did 11.5 knots SOG through Race 
Passage a few years ago.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
east Vancouver Island



At 06:20 PM 29/01/2014, you wrote:
Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver 
area.  Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday on 
the way to skiing Whistler/Blackcomb.


Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing 
territory.  Awesome scenery.


Really different from the Gulf Coast.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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