Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Inner Harbor East is very good if you haven't found something else. We used it when going to the Indy cars the last three years. Gary St. Michaels - Original Message - From: Chris Price via CnC-List To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Bought my 35 Mk I for 13 k 15 years ago. Compared to beach house rentals for one week/ year, I'm ahead of the game. It's not an investment, it's what you do with your disposable income. My family has not suffered. Chris Price 35 Mk I p. s. Sailing to Baltimore, getting-a slip and walking to the Ravens game tomorrow. Back to the club Friday for a Bridal shower for my daughter. Can't put a price on that. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Friend of mine is $80k and 8 years into an Ericsson 30 rebuild. He can't get an offer of $20k. My CC 26 cost me $24k 12 years ago. Since then it's retail has halved and I've probably got $20k into it in up grades. When I bought it, there was no thought of selling it and there still isn't. Good job, 'cause this thought line can drive you nuts. I'm going to either leave it to one of the grandkids (if I can get one interested in sailing), or sail west until we (boat and I) fall off the edge - this is plan B 'cause I'm a lake sailor! sam :-) From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC I quit tracking $$ when I went north of $20K. That was years ago. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house. In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then. My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching. Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment. You either cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do. IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Weighing in late here... yes a large sailboat is an insanely bad FINANCIAL investment, but it's good for your soul. I'm well over $200k into Bojangles (less than half of which is purchase price) and I'd be lucky to get half that today. For the last couple of years though, I've chartered her out selectively and while I'm not making any serious money (in case the CRA is monitoring this thread), she is carrying her weigh for the most part. And the coolest thing is the current charterer has the boat down in Panama right now and we're heading down next week to take back the boat for a 2 week cruise in the San Blas Islands... How cool is that? Cheers, Colin On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house. In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then. My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching. Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment. You either cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do. IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Owning a boat really is something though. I whine about our short sailing season and I'm often too busy to sail as much as I'de like but the bottom line is that I know it's down at the club, on it's mooring, waiting. There's always the potential and promise. If I sold the boat I would be depressed. The way the market is going though I could sell it now, do other things with the money and buy another in five years for less money. VS continuing to dump money into mine for the next five years. It's hard. There are still some inexpensive vacant properties outside of Toronto .. and that won't last much longer. Boats will always get cheaper, land won't. I'm 35 now, whatever land I might buy will be worth more in ten years, in twenty parking a cheap trailer on it for the time being and slowly building a cabin seems like a good use of my time, energy and finances. It's the same time, energy and finances I spend on the boat. I love my boat though and I love the times I've spent on it with my partner, and my friends. We just got back from a three week cruise and it was magical. Boat bubble all the way. Decisions, decisions. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house. In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then. My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching. Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment. You either cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do. IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Battery charger on 24
Investigating availability of smart or three step charger to install in locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer. Thanks in advance. Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24
Try this: http://ca.binnacle.com/mobile/product_info.php?products_id=10001 Rich Rich Knowles IFDS 2014 Worlds Support Chair On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:07, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Investigating availability of smart or three step charger to install in locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer. Thanks in advance. Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24
Patrick — I’d stay away from non-marine battery chargers in the marine environment; for both safety and longevity/reliability reasons. Something like this would probably work fine for your size boat: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289963id=1512352 You could upsize to 20 amps, but that may be overkill. Do you already have a shorepower system? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Investigating availability of smart or three step charger to install in locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer. Thanks in advance. Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24
http://stores.ebay.com/The-ChargerGuy?_rdc=1 Good deals on chargers. No financial interest at all - but I did buy something from here with no problems. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 103, Issue 23
um.. i dont recommend tracking expenses on boats. if a spouse or significant other gets ahold of the list they could have you committed and thats without taking into account indirect expenses and even if you dont get caught then the tracking data will only make it worse when you go to sell the boat ;) steve ~~ _/) ~~ * On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:07 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: big $$$ used CC (Rich Knowles) 2. Re: big $$$ used CC (Dennis C.) 3. Re: big $$$ used CC (Dave Godwin) 4. Re: big $$$ used CC (Curtis) 5. Re: big $$$ used CC (Richard N. Bush) 6. Re: big $$$ used CC (Ebay) 7. Re: big $$$ used CC (Rich Knowles) 8. Re: big $$$ used CC (Dennis C.) 9. Re: big $$$ used CC (Stevan Plavsa) 10. Re: big $$$ used CC (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:15:22 -0300 From: Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca To: Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Message-ID: 00745bc4-402a-46f5-ba26-1715d21ef...@sailpower.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I've had my 1981 Landfall 38 since 1997. I've put a lot of money into everything from an engine rebuild to all new running gear, a new propane stove, Espar heater, sails etc. batteries Etc. Meantime I've installed new electronics on many of the Beneteaus sold into Nova Scotia, worked on a whack of other boats of all types, makes, sizes and conditions, and have never felt that the money I spent on Indigo was going to a poor place or should be invested in a newer boat. I think the reason is that my 33 year old boat is every bit as seaworthy as any of the others I've been on, works and sails as well as any, satisfies my aesthetic needs and, perhaps most important from my point of view, has soul that most of the new boats don't have. Next boat will be a 25' wood power boat with a comfortable chair and a BBQ on the stern deck. Rich On Aug 6, 2014, at 20:35, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I?m just wondering why in the friggin? hell I haven?t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin?s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Having a boat and sailing is better than the alternative. The cost is just something that comes with it, so you either suck it up and go sailing and be happy, or you live a miserable life on the muddy stuff. My 0c worth! Cheers, Paul Orange Crush, CC27MkII Sidney, BC. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List big $$$ used CC
One more.. You can't put a price on life experience and memories indeed. That's a big part of the reason why I own my boat. I've wanted one for decades and the plan was to get it when the kids were grown, but when I got the opportunity to get one while my daughter was 14 and my son 12, I jumped on it. Here's a small sampling things provided by boat ownership I find priceless: The ability to pry my kids away from the internet and video games for whole weekends at a time A good excuse to spend one on one time with my kids The ability to teach them real life lessons about having to focus on task, learn to plan ahead, perform actual manual labor, and feel the ensuing satisfaction of a job well done Spending afternoons at anchor swimming with the whole family including the dog Having so much fun on a daysail that we forget about dinner and find ourselves eating dinner at Steak and Shake @ 11:00 PM with no one complaining and still having fun A great place to spend the weekend at the lake and completely forget about work Being in an actual organized race with the whole family and 2 or 3 other friends along for the ride (Try that in a race car) Having a Lake House that could very well find it's way in Belize or any other island of my choosing one day without too much additional cost She's demanding alright.. But look at what you get. -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
One side benefit of kids growing up sailing. My 23 year old is Captain of a 60'er out of Maine and Antigua. Making great money and happy as a clam. Pretty good investment I think... David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:09:58 -0400 Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com One more.. You can't put a price on life experience and memories indeed. That's a big part of the reason why I own my boat. I've wanted one for decades and the plan was to get it when the kids were grown, but when I got the opportunity to get one while my daughter was 14 and my son 12, I jumped on it. Here's a small sampling things provided by boat ownership I find priceless: The ability to pry my kids away from the internet and video games for whole weekends at a time A good excuse to spend one on one time with my kids The ability to teach them real life lessons about having to focus on task, learn to plan ahead, perform actual manual labor, and feel the ensuing satisfaction of a job well done Spending afternoons at anchor swimming with the whole family including the dog Having so much fun on a daysail that we forget about dinner and find ourselves eating dinner at Steak and Shake @ 11:00 PM with no one complaining and still having fun A great place to spend the weekend at the lake and completely forget about work Being in an actual organized race with the whole family and 2 or 3 other friends along for the ride (Try that in a race car) Having a Lake House that could very well find it's way in Belize or any other island of my choosing one day without too much additional cost She's demanding alright.. But look at what you get. -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Remember when you played the game of Life with your kids? The winning strategy was not to accumulate the most money; It was to get the most life experience cards. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Dingy Repair
Hello fellow CnCer's, I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Brian C. Morrison S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale 1979 CC 34 Baltimore, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24
I put a ProMariner on Stella Blue last year, and am very pleased with it. The one Rich suggests would be good for a 24 with one or two batteries. Note the dimensions: 9x5x2 inches. That's pretty small. Auto shut off isn't really necessary with a good three stage charger, as float mode will hold the batteries at maintenance voltage. Mine's a bit bigger with a few fancy features, but my needs are different. Wal Rich wrote: Try this: http://ca.binnacle.com/mobile/product_info.php?products_id=10001 Rich ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair
I had a RIB merc for number of years and had nothing but problems. I was always working on it. From detaching tubes at the transom, to un-glueing seams between the hard bottom and tubes, to mercury black letters somehow disintegrating in the sun and getting sticky residue everywhere. The transom was separating from the tubes so severely that they honored the tube warranty by giving me new tubes. Of course I had to pay $1100 in labor to glue the hard bottom to the new tubes. Warranty did not honor the new seat which I now needed as a result of new tubes. The thing lasted another 5 years. Then it finally got stolen. Got a used AB in 2012 for 1000$ which I could not be happier with. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Morrison via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair Hello fellow CnCer's, I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Brian C. Morrison S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale 1979 CC 34 Baltimore, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair
I have '94 Achilles that has spent June thru November on a mooring all it's life. One fall after a month's absence I came to the boat and found that it had deflated and submerged the motor. I resurrected the motor and got a quart of the latex sealer sold to stop pin hole leaks. I added it to the 3 air compartments and then rolled the dingy all around the lawn to cover all the interior surfaces. Pumped it up and left it in the barn all winter. It held air fine. Still does 2 yrs later. Thanks, Mike Fair From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Morrison via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair Hello fellow CnCer's, I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Brian C. Morrison S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale 1979 CC 34 Baltimore, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair
A pal just got a 9' aluminum AB and I have to say, I'm very impressed with it. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 7, 2014, at 13:41, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I had a RIB merc for number of years and had nothing but problems. I was always working on it. From detaching tubes at the transom, to un-glueing seams between the hard bottom and tubes, to mercury black letters somehow disintegrating in the sun and getting sticky residue everywhere. The transom was separating from the tubes so severely that they honored the tube warranty by giving me new tubes. Of course I had to pay $1100 in labor to glue the hard bottom to the new tubes. Warranty did not honor the new seat which I now needed as a result of new tubes. The thing lasted another 5 years. Then it finally got stolen. Got a used AB in 2012 for 1000$ which I could not be happier with. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Morrison via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair Hello fellow CnCer’s, I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Brian C. Morrison S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale 1979 CC 34 Baltimore, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
She's a beauty. Did you install the helm or did it come with the boat? I just bought a 33 for $2,500. She'll be launched tomorrow. Can't wait to get her all prettied up. Skip Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 9:08 PM To: Dave Godwin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Purchase price $2,500.00 Last offer $29,500 around $7,000 invested. I would never sale her now!!! I have fallen in love with her. take a look see. http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/p/photos-of-progress.html On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ah, you read between the lines. Love my CC. My lovely wife does too! Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ 's Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on that option... Dave, its because you have a great boat... Richard 1985 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ 's Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Best regards, Curtis McDaniel, CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Port Royal, South Carolina
Re: Stus-List Head sink backing up?
Ray, I think Tim nailed it. The sink goes below the waterline on starboard tack at angles above 25-30 degrees. The sink fills with water and creates a nuisance. I usually keep the thru hull closed, unless we’re using the sink regularly. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Macklin via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Head sink backing up? I have a 1985 CC 33-2. I just noticed that the sink in the head was backing up. The sink has not been used at all. What would cause this? What is the plumbing configuration and are there any diagrams available? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ray LakeHouse Libertyville IL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24
What about solar? A lot of problems and liabilities come from being attached to shore. You're just keeping the batteries topped up for the next adventure right? Every smart charger i have ever seen, (auto, marine, clamp on, or permanent) works as follows: First: It performs idiot checks to make sure the battery is not bad or terminals reversed. Stage 1: (Bulk charge, ~80% of full capacity) Start at max rated current and slowly ramp up voltage until max rated voltage is reached Stage 2: (acceptance charge, remaining ~20% of full charge) Once the max rated charge voltage of your type of battery is reached (14.7v for a standard wet lead-acid battery) then the current is slowly ramped down while simultaneously keeping the voltage at 14.7v . Stage 3: When the charge current has reduced to the float curent 1-2 amps for a predetermined amount of time (1-5 minutes) the charger switches to a float mode where the voltage is reduced to the appropriate float voltage (~13.2v for a standard lead-acid) and the minimum current is applied (~1-2amp). During this stage different chargers may periodically shift on or off or test the acceptance by switching to the 14.7v and checking how long it takes to return to the minimum current. The better chargers tend to have battery type seletors and may have a little different time delays or charge programs for each battery type. Many permanent installs have more than one set of charge terminals for more than one bank (the current is still limited to the max rating of the charger). With more features the price goes up. I presume that you are considering chargers for equalizing and preventative maintenance. Any 3 stage smart auto charger could be used as a equalizing charger. I have a 40amp Stanley that is similar to Vector and Schumacher. $100 bucks at Lowes AND it has an alternator checker and start booster too. I wouldn't necessarily leave it unattended but while you're tinkering about at the dock 3 or 4 (or more) times a season would be fine. They make 10 and 20 amp versions also. They are just temporary and clamp on. Mine did great as a backup when my brand new 40amp xantrex ($400) died on the delivery trip. Best part is when you are done you can get the weight and clutter off the boat and use it at home. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 7, 2014 11:07 AM, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Investigating availability of smart or three step charger to install in locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer. Thanks in advance. Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24
Oh yeah, +1 on the ProMariner. The PO replaced an old xantrex with a new one which died on him within a year. I clamed the warranty on it after closing on the boat but was disappointed when the new one died within a week. Warranty refunded and I switched to a ProMariner and haven't heard a peep from it in 2.5 years. Josh Muckley On Aug 7, 2014 11:07 AM, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Investigating availability of smart or three step charger to install in locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer. Thanks in advance. Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24
Almost forgot. Consider your battery bank AHr capacity. The max charger current should be limited to about 25% of the smallest bank capacity. A 20amp charger would be a good fit for an 80AHr battery. This assumes a flooded lead acid. 30% for gel and 40% for AGM. You mentioned using a hygrometer but this is only for flooded batteries. Despite being able to sometimes get the caps off of maintenance free batteries you stand a good chance of messing things up more than fixing. So that leaves the decreasingly available maintenance style batteries with individual caps for each cell. Josh Muckley On Aug 7, 2014 8:51 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah, +1 on the ProMariner. The PO replaced an old xantrex with a new one which died on him within a year. I clamed the warranty on it after closing on the boat but was disappointed when the new one died within a week. Warranty refunded and I switched to a ProMariner and haven't heard a peep from it in 2.5 years. Josh Muckley On Aug 7, 2014 11:07 AM, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Investigating availability of smart or three step charger to install in locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer. Thanks in advance. Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair
Brian, I used the stuff from West Marine (http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--inflatable-boat-sealant--444679) a few months ago. It works great! My dinghy had a slow leak and required pumping up every few weeks. It has been two months since inflating my dinghy and I have not had to use the pump. You do have to follow the directions and keep turning the dinghy over (fore/aft port/starboard) to coat the interior. The liquid can be poured in through the fill connections. I have a West Marine dinghy which has three capped connections with removable inserts that are used to let the air out. They should be removed to fill the dinghy with the sealant. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Brian Morrison [mailto:brianm...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair Hello fellow CnCer's, I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Brian C. Morrison S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale 1979 CC 34 Baltimore, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have to take a look at the intake valves again. He gonna gimme my ham, my ham, my ham! He gonna gimme my ham! August Wilson's Hambone. On Aug 7, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Ron Ricci rvri...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, I used the stuff from West Marine (http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--inflatable-boat-sealant--444679) a few months ago. It works great! My dinghy had a slow leak and required pumping up every few weeks. It has been two months since inflating my dinghy and I have not had to use the pump. You do have to follow the directions and keep turning the dinghy over (fore/aft port/starboard) to coat the interior. The liquid can be poured in through the fill connections. I have a West Marine dinghy which has three capped connections with removable inserts that are used to let the air out. They should be removed to fill the dinghy with the sealant. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Brian Morrison [mailto:brianm...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair Hello fellow CnCer’s, I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Brian C. Morrison S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale 1979 CC 34 Baltimore, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have to take a look at the intake valves again. He gonna gimme my ham, my ham, my ham! He gonna gimme my ham! August Wilson's Hambone. On Aug 7, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Ron Ricci rvri...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, I used the stuff from West Marine (http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--inflatable-boat-sealant--444679) a few months ago. It works great! My dinghy had a slow leak and required pumping up every few weeks. It has been two months since inflating my dinghy and I have not had to use the pump. You do have to follow the directions and keep turning the dinghy over (fore/aft port/starboard) to coat the interior. The liquid can be poured in through the fill connections. I have a West Marine dinghy which has three capped connections with removable inserts that are used to let the air out. They should be removed to fill the dinghy with the sealant. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Brian Morrison [mailto:brianm...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair Hello fellow CnCer’s, I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brian Brian C. Morrison S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale 1979 CC 34 Baltimore, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Battery charger on 24
Hi, I have a Xantrex Smart Charger that came with the boat. (TC20 or TC40 model Installed in 2011 along with new old school non-sealed batteries). It's definitely on the very resonable end of the price range for smart chargers / batteries, honestly if I would have shopped for the setup I would have probably sprung for more expensive stuff. However, (Knock on wood) It is completely set and forget automatic, and works really well so far. Last year I thought I had battery issues (1 start and 2 house) so I took 'em to a shop to get them tested. The result: They all tested 8-10% more than their new rated capacity. The guy said: Whatever you do at the boat.. Keep doing it. The problem was dirty connections.. A good clean-up with a metal brush and coat of battery post protection stuff was all that was needed. Since it's worked so well before, whenever the boat connected to shore power, the charger is on and I don't really pay any mind to the batteries beyond the occasional check for clean / tight connections and electrolyte level. As for usage: Under prior ownership, the batteries' 1st couple years consisted of mostly sitting at the dock unused, the charger was on 24 / 7 as far as I know. So even with very infrequent use, it seems to have taken real good care of the batteries. -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
