Re: Stus-List List stepping mast 38 Landfall

[D.J. Platt via CnC-List]

If the mast and step are both aluminium why bother.  If the are dissimilar 
metals it would probably be a good idea.


From: PME via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 5:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List List stepping mast 38 Landfall


Rob: 


The idea was to coat the bottom of outer and inner mast shell for added 
corrosion protection, not to bond or pot the mast into the step.  It was 
explained to me that “everyone” does it, but from the responses so far, it 
seems not to be true.   




-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL







  On Mar 2, 2015, at 3:09 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:


  Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:06:12 -0400
  From: robert 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List List stepping mast 38 Landfall
  Message-ID: <54f4b4a4.2090...@eastlink.ca>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"

  Paul:

  Quite honestly, I have never seen a mast bonded to the mast step, 
  whether 'keel stepped' or 'deck stepped'.  If the mast bottom is 
  'bonded', what happens to the water that undoubtedly makes its way down 
  the inside of the mast?

  I'm with Ed on this one.why would you even consider applying an 
  'adhesive' to the bottom of the mast?  I have stepped masts, my own and 
  others, and have never seen the need to bond the bottom of the mast.

  Rob Abbott
  AZURA
  C&C 32 - 1984
  Halifax, N.S.








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Re: Stus-List Auto helm and Raymarine

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Brad — Graham’s advice is smack on.  If your old drive still works (and is 
adequate for the boat’s displacement), you can use it with a new autopilot 
control unit.  If you’re going with the EV-100, you’ll still want to have the 
p70 control head; you can enable/disable the pilot from the a95, but 
configuration of the pilot’s settings pretty much requires that you have the 
head, too.  Also, it’s the prudent thing to do, in case the a95 tanks on you 
for some weird reason.  Having a dedicated button to disable the pilot, rather 
than having to go through a menu, reduces the chance of hitting something hard 
when you don’t want to.

You’ll need a basic SeaTalkNG network between the i50/i60 instruments, the a95 
and the EV-100 course computer; not too huge an investment in $$$, but you’ll 
want to make sure that it’s designed properly to ensure its reliability.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 3, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Hi Brad
> The drive for an Autohelm will work with a newer pilot, it is (in fancy 
> packaging) just a motor.  Last season I ran the wheel drive from my old 
> Autohelm 4000 system connected to the control box for my new EV-200 system.  
> This spring (if it ever warms up here) I hope to get the linear drive 
> installed.
> 
> Current Raymarine instruments talk together using a network format called 
> SeatalkNG, which is essentially the same as N2K, but with different plugs on 
> the cords.
> 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
> 
> On 2015-03-03 10:51 PM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List wrote:
>> Hello Fred
>> Really appreciate people like yourself stepping up to help. Was to the boat 
>> yesterday and brought the head unit back with me, it's definitely "Autohelm 
>> 4000". So I've bought the lower case "a" 95 MFD and a set of i50/i60  
>> instruments. looks like I need the evolution EV-100 autopilot minus the P70 
>> control head, what about the drive unit? I suppose the plug will be 
>> different. does this require the "seatalk" components? I don't really find 
>> the Raymarine catalogue to be very helpful.
>> thanks
>> Brad
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Re: Stus-List Welcome to the USA

[Don Newman via CnC-List]

The US has every right to set the rules for Cruising Permits or anything
else.  The concern is the changes to the rules without warning and the
inconsistent applications of them.  This has got to hurt the businesses
relying on visitors.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Don Newman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> From one of our club members:
>
> FYI, I crossed over from Bimini to Port Everglades yesterday. I went in to
> USCBP to get my Cruising Permit for the year, and they Denied it! If your
> boat is not Registered they will not issue a Cruising Permit. So, if you
> haul out or leave your boat any length of time it puts you in a position
> where you will have to import the boat (a % of it's value) and pay State
> taxes as long as you are in US waters. They have done this to everyone I
> know from Canada that has returned prior to me.
>
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> C&C 44
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Re: Stus-List Welcome to the USA

[Colin Kilgour via CnC-List]

Far be it for me to defend the Homeland Security bureaucracy and the fact
that they have very different clearance procedures depending where in the
US you clear in, and very rarely do the procedures agree with what's posted
on their website. I've cleared in at Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, Newport,
Florida, USVI, PR, and Spanish Virgins.  It's a different process/adventure
in all of these US places.

That said, I would still suggest that any Canadian who plans to travel
internationally should get their boat registered.  It's what the
authorities expect to see.

In the case of your friends, they might just work their way up the coast a
little to a different office and see if they can get a permit there... You
never know.

Cheers,
Colin


On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Don Newman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The US has every right to set the rules for Cruising Permits or anything
> else.  The concern is the changes to the rules without warning and the
> inconsistent applications of them.  This has got to hurt the businesses
> relying on visitors.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Don Newman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> From one of our club members:
>>
>> FYI, I crossed over from Bimini to Port Everglades yesterday. I went in
>> to USCBP to get my Cruising Permit for the year, and they Denied it! If
>> your boat is not Registered they will not issue a Cruising Permit. So, if
>> you haul out or leave your boat any length of time it puts you in a
>> position where you will have to import the boat (a % of it's value) and pay
>> State taxes as long as you are in US waters. They have done this to
>> everyone I know from Canada that has returned prior to me.
>>
>> --
>> Don Newman
>> C&C 44
>>
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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Peter

Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another option.  
Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars rigid vang for $400 
new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the fiddle block was 1 year old) 
when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet went with the boomkicker.  The US 
Spars vang includes line and blocks attached to vang.  After the first year I 
decided I did not like this arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks 
in addition to the rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close 
to $200.  I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.

The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that the J27 
and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements described above would 
work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less satisfied with on the US Spars 
rigid vang was the boom attachment which is a bit lighter weight than I would 
like.  However again the C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less pressures than 
the J27.

Unfortunately I do not have pictures.

The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that it only 
had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself there was tremendous 
pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  With the rigid vang being used 
for upward pressure and a traditional rope and block vang for downward pressure 
and attached at the bail on the boom as designed this pressure is gone.

I do hope this helps.  A $1200 rigid vang is very much overkill on a 27.  Buy 
something new for $400 or less

Mike
Persistence
Frers 33

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell 
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Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

An update

The seller posted up a price ... $400 !!! I discussed it with him, armed with 
the info provided via this forum (especially Dennis ... thanks) and offered 
$150. He had a mild heart attack and went away ... came back later at $200. I 
went to look at the boom vang and it was missing the 3 “external” blocks + one 
of the sheaves was broken on the vang itself (not exactly the “excellent” 
condition that was described in the ad!)  The seller swore up and down that 
there never were any blocks with it and that he had paid $1200 for it in 2005 
and that it wasn’t a Garhauer. Well it definitely is an older model RV20-1 
model. 2-inch diameter tube and the length (uncompressed) is the same as the 
length of my current (soft) vang. I think there is a good possibility that the 
boom plate would fit my boom ... not so sure on the mast plate since the C&C 30 
mast is wider and the 27 has the sail groove that stands proud from the mast. 
However I had checked with Garhauer who said: 1) shouldn’t be any problems with 
spring tension between a 27 and a 30’'; and 2) new mast and boom plates would 
be $80 (US) or $40 each ... if only one is needed.  Regardless  I walked 
away, considering the missing blocks and broken sheave.

Well today the seller phoned me back ... he’s found the blocks and put the boom 
vang up for consignment at a local store. Not sure what they are asking at this 
point.

Question I have is after checking this thing out it seems to me to be probably 
1 size larger than what is really needed and would work best for the C&C 27.  
Just checking out the differences between 27 booms and 30 booms in the marina 
... the 30’s boom is much larger. The RV20-1 is meant for 28 – 44ft boat (as is 
the current RV20-1 SL model). I’m thinking a RV6 (aluminum, up to 32ft boat) or 
RV18-1 (28-36ft boat with a tube diameter 1-3/4") would be a better fit. So I 
think I’ve effectively talked myself out of this particular unit.

Anyone out there with a C&C 27 recall what model they are using? Any experience 
with the aluminum vs. the stainless versions? By the way, Garhauer has a 10% 
off sale right now till the end of March ... softens the blow a wee bit!

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII


From: Dennis C.
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:44 AM
To: Peter Fell ; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

I sell lots of used boat stuff on eBay.  I find 25-30% of new is common for 
marine items in very good condition.  Items in excellent to new condition might 
fetch 50%+ of new.

Remember to make a $$ adjustment for the brackets.  You may need to have 
Garhauer make you new brackets.  That shouldn't cost much.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks ... current model pricing is $495 (US), I highly doubt that would apply 
to a 10+ year old boom vang. Hard to determine a used value  not something 
that comes up for sale very often as far as I can see so that’s why I’m asking.

From: RAYMOND SHIBE
Sent

Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Garhauer rigid vang is $400-$500, not $1200. I have one on my 27-5 and 
it is perfect. Garhauer is a great company to deal with, and their stuff 
is very high quality.


Bill Bina

On 3/4/2015 10:04 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


Peter

Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another 
option.  Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars 
rigid vang for $400 new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the 
fiddle block was 1 year old) when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet 
went with the boomkicker.  The US Spars vang includes line and blocks 
attached to vang. After the first year I decided I did not like this 
arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks in addition to the 
rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close to $200.  
I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.


The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that 
the J27 and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements 
described above would work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less 
satisfied with on the US Spars rigid vang was the boom attachment 
which is a bit lighter weight than I would like.  However again the 
C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less pressures than the J27.


Unfortunately I do not have pictures.

The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that 
it only had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself 
there was tremendous pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  
With the rigid vang being used for upward pressure and a traditional 
rope and block vang for downward pressure and attached at the bail on 
the boom as designed this pressure is gone.


I do hope this helps.  A $1200 rigid vang is very much overkill on a 
27.  Buy something new for $400 or less


Mike

Persistence

Frers 33




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Re: Stus-List Welcome to the USA

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

The government bureaucrats in Savannah want to see the boat's registration
upon entry so there is no joy when entering a non registered boat into the
USA here.

Jack Fitzgerald,
HONEY
C&C 39 TM
US12788

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Colin Kilgour via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Far be it for me to defend the Homeland Security bureaucracy and the fact
> that they have very different clearance procedures depending where in the
> US you clear in, and very rarely do the procedures agree with what's posted
> on their website. I've cleared in at Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, Newport,
> Florida, USVI, PR, and Spanish Virgins.  It's a different process/adventure
> in all of these US places.
>
> That said, I would still suggest that any Canadian who plans to travel
> internationally should get their boat registered.  It's what the
> authorities expect to see.
>
> In the case of your friends, they might just work their way up the coast a
> little to a different office and see if they can get a permit there... You
> never know.
>
> Cheers,
> Colin
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Don Newman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The US has every right to set the rules for Cruising Permits or anything
>> else.  The concern is the changes to the rules without warning and the
>> inconsistent applications of them.  This has got to hurt the businesses
>> relying on visitors.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Don Newman via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From one of our club members:
>>>
>>> FYI, I crossed over from Bimini to Port Everglades yesterday. I went in
>>> to USCBP to get my Cruising Permit for the year, and they Denied it! If
>>> your boat is not Registered they will not issue a Cruising Permit. So, if
>>> you haul out or leave your boat any length of time it puts you in a
>>> position where you will have to import the boat (a % of it's value) and pay
>>> State taxes as long as you are in US waters. They have done this to
>>> everyone I know from Canada that has returned prior to me.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Don Newman
>>> C&C 44
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> C&C 44
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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Exactly

Buy the right size and it costs 400-500.  The "$1200 when new" vang from a 30 
that Peter mentioned I inappropriate

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - 
gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

Garhauer rigid vang is $400-$500, not $1200. I have one on my 27-5 and it is 
perfect. Garhauer is a great company to deal with, and their stuff is very high 
quality.

Bill Bina
On 3/4/2015 10:04 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
Peter

Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another option.  
Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars rigid vang for $400 
new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the fiddle block was 1 year old) 
when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet went with the boomkicker.  The US 
Spars vang includes line and blocks attached to vang.  After the first year I 
decided I did not like this arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks 
in addition to the rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close 
to $200.  I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.

The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that the J27 
and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements described above would 
work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less satisfied with on the US Spars 
rigid vang was the boom attachment which is a bit lighter weight than I would 
like.  However again the C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less pressures than 
the J27.

Unfortunately I do not have pictures.

The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that it only 
had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself there was tremendous 
pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  With the rigid vang being used 
for upward pressure and a traditional rope and block vang for downward pressure 
and attached at the bail on the boom as designed this pressure is gone.

I do hope this helps.  A $1200 rigid vang is very much overkill on a 27.  Buy 
something new for $400 or less

Mike
Persistence
Frers 33


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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Amen to that. I have had the Garhauer rigid vang for many years on my 30-1 
(probably one size up from what would work on a 27) and race on a J-80 with a 
boomkicker. I find the Garhauer or others like it (raced on another J-80 with a 
Harken) to be much easier to use and adjust than the boomkicker. We have to 
haul hard to get the boomkicker to adjust and the boom fitting has given us 
grief in just two years of use. My Garhauer has had no problems...and has been 
raced for over a dozen years.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang


  Garhauer rigid vang is $400-$500, not $1200. I have one on my 27-5 and it is 
perfect. Garhauer is a great company to deal with, and their stuff is very high 
quality. 

  Bill Bina


  On 3/4/2015 10:04 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

Peter



Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another 
option.  Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars rigid vang 
for $400 new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the fiddle block was 1 year 
old) when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet went with the boomkicker.  The 
US Spars vang includes line and blocks attached to vang.  After the first year 
I decided I did not like this arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks 
in addition to the rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close 
to $200.  I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.



The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that the 
J27 and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements described above 
would work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less satisfied with on the US 
Spars rigid vang was the boom attachment which is a bit lighter weight than I 
would like.  However again the C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less 
pressures than the J27.



Unfortunately I do not have pictures.



The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that it 
only had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself there was 
tremendous pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  With the rigid vang 
being used for upward pressure and a traditional rope and block vang for 
downward pressure and attached at the bail on the boom as designed this 
pressure is gone.



I do hope this helps.  A $1200 rigid vang is very much overkill on a 27.  
Buy something new for $400 or less



Mike

Persistence

Frers 33








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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

We've had a Garhauer on Perception for over 10 years have been very pleased 
with it - have added a lot of  other Garhauer  stuff as a result - blocks, 
sheaves, traveller  Always great price for great quality, and very helpful 
when you need custom things like sheaves, and goose necks.

Paul Fountain
Managing Director
SeaSource Inc.
Bookkeeping & IT Services.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:16 AM
To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

Amen to that. I have had the Garhauer rigid vang for many years on my 30-1 
(probably one size up from what would work on a 27) and race on a J-80 with a 
boomkicker. I find the Garhauer or others like it (raced on another J-80 with a 
Harken) to be much easier to use and adjust than the boomkicker. We have to 
haul hard to get the boomkicker to adjust and the boom fitting has given us 
grief in just two years of use. My Garhauer has had no problems...and has been 
raced for over a dozen years.

Gary
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From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

Garhauer rigid vang is $400-$500, not $1200. I have one on my 27-5 and it is 
perfect. Garhauer is a great company to deal with, and their stuff is very high 
quality.

Bill Bina
On 3/4/2015 10:04 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
Peter
Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another option.  
Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars rigid vang for $400 
new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the fiddle block was 1 year old) 
when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet went with the boomkicker.  The US 
Spars vang includes line and blocks attached to vang.  After the first year I 
decided I did not like this arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks 
in addition to the rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close 
to $200.  I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.
The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that the J27 
and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements described above would 
work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less satisfied with on the US Spars 
rigid vang was the boom attachment which is a bit lighter weight than I would 
like.  However again the C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less pressures than 
the J27.
Unfortunately I do not have pictures.
The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that it only 
had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself there was tremendous 
pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  With the rigid vang being used 
for upward pressure and a traditional rope and block vang for downward pressure 
and attached at the bail on the boom as designed this pressure is gone.
I do hope this helps.  A $1200 rigid vang is very much overkill on a 27.  Buy 
something new for $400 or less
Mike
Persistence
Frers 33



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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Thanks guys

I do like the Garhauer stuff. Not sure if I mentioned before but I have a 
Garhauer mainsheet set-up (but Harken parts for a new traveller, due to the 
space/clearance limitations in the traveller recess in front of the 
companionway), miscellaneous other blocks and I just acquired Garhauer towable 
genoa cars. 

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:47 AM
To: Gary Nylander ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

We’ve had a Garhauer on Perception for over 10 years have been very pleased 
with it – have added a lot of  other Garhauer  stuff as a result - blocks, 
sheaves, traveller …. Always great price for great quality, and very helpful 
when you need custom things like sheaves, and goose necks.

 

Paul Fountain

Managing Director

SeaSource Inc.

Bookkeeping & IT Services.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:16 AM
To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

Amen to that. I have had the Garhauer rigid vang for many years on my 30-1 
(probably one size up from what would work on a 27) and race on a J-80 with a 
boomkicker. I find the Garhauer or others like it (raced on another J-80 with a 
Harken) to be much easier to use and adjust than the boomkicker. We have to 
haul hard to get the boomkicker to adjust and the boom fitting has given us 
grief in just two years of use. My Garhauer has had no problems...and has been 
raced for over a dozen years.

 

Gary

  - Original Message - 

  From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 

  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:16 AM

  Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

   

  Garhauer rigid vang is $400-$500, not $1200. I have one on my 27-5 and it is 
perfect. Garhauer is a great company to deal with, and their stuff is very high 
quality. 

  Bill Bina

  On 3/4/2015 10:04 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

Peter

Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another 
option.  Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars rigid vang 
for $400 new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the fiddle block was 1 year 
old) when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet went with the boomkicker.  The 
US Spars vang includes line and blocks attached to vang.  After the first year 
I decided I did not like this arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks 
in addition to the rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close 
to $200.  I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.

The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that the 
J27 and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements described above 
would work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less satisfied with on the US 
Spars rigid vang was the boom attachment which is a bit lighter weight than I 
would like.  However again the C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less 
pressures than the J27.

Unfortunately I do not have pictures.

The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that it 
only had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself there was 
tremendous pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  With the rigid vang 
being used for upward pressure and a traditional rope and block vang for 
downward pressure and attached at the bail on the boom as designed this 
pressure is gone.

I do hope this helps.  A $1200 rigid vang is very much overkill on a 27.  
Buy something new for $400 or less

Mike

Persistence

Frers 33

 

   


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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

If you talk  to Guido he will make you a traveler specifically made to fit the 
space/clearance issues of the recess. That is what he did for the traveler for 
my 38: Taller track and slightly narrower car for clearance in the recess, 
longer than normal length to maximize the amount of travel, drilled the track 
to match the spacing/pattern of the old traveler track to simplify 
installation, and custom plates for the turning blocks and cam cleats to make 
it easier to trim from the helm. All the mods done at no charge.

 

It’s a couple of ounces (maybe pounds) heavier than Harken, and not as gee whiz 
as a windward sheeting setup, but it is also very strong, very effective, and 
1/3 the cost.

 

And you just can’t beat the service.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

Thanks guys

 

I do like the Garhauer stuff. Not sure if I mentioned before but I have a 
Garhauer mainsheet set-up (but Harken parts for a new traveller, due to the 
space/clearance limitations in the traveller recess in front of the 
companionway), miscellaneous other blocks and I just acquired Garhauer towable 
genoa cars. 

 

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

 

From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List   

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:47 AM

To: Gary Nylander   ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  

Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

We’ve had a Garhauer on Perception for over 10 years have been very pleased 
with it – have added a lot of  other Garhauer  stuff as a result - blocks, 
sheaves, traveller …. Always great price for great quality, and very helpful 
when you need custom things like sheaves, and goose necks.

 

Paul Fountain

Managing Director

SeaSource Inc.

Bookkeeping & IT Services.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:16 AM
To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

Amen to that. I have had the Garhauer rigid vang for many years on my 30-1 
(probably one size up from what would work on a 27) and race on a J-80 with a 
boomkicker. I find the Garhauer or others like it (raced on another J-80 with a 
Harken) to be much easier to use and adjust than the boomkicker. We have to 
haul hard to get the boomkicker to adjust and the boom fitting has given us 
grief in just two years of use. My Garhauer has had no problems...and has been 
raced for over a dozen years.

 

Gary

- Original Message - 

From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List   

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:16 AM

Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

Garhauer rigid vang is $400-$500, not $1200. I have one on my 27-5 and it is 
perfect. Garhauer is a great company to deal with, and their stuff is very high 
quality. 

Bill Bina

On 3/4/2015 10:04 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

Peter

Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another option.  
Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars rigid vang for $400 
new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the fiddle block was 1 year old) 
when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet went with the boomkicker.  The US 
Spars vang includes line and blocks attached to vang.  After the first year I 
decided I did not like this arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks 
in addition to the rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close 
to $200.  I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.

The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that the J27 
and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements described above would 
work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less satisfied with on the US Spars 
rigid vang was the boom attachment which is a bit lighter weight than I would 
like.  However again the C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less pressures than 
the J27.

Unfortunately I do not have pictures.

The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that it only 
had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself there was tremendous 
pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  With the rigid vang being used 
for upward pressure and a traditional rope and block vang for downward pressure 
and attached at the bail on the boom as designed this pressure is gone.

I do hope this helps.  A $1200 rigid vang is very much overkill on a 27.  Buy 
something new for $400 or less

Mike

Persistence

Frers 33

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

+1 on that. 

But I am not sure if we should spread the word too far. We risk that everyone 
would flock to Garhauer and they would be overwhelmed, raise the prices and 
drop the customer support.  we cannot afford to deal with overly successful 
companies. We probably should keep quiet about it.

Marek

From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:55 PM
To: 'Peter Fell' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

If you talk  to Guido he will make you a traveler specifically made to fit the 
space/clearance issues of the recess. That is what he did for the traveler for 
my 38: Taller track and slightly narrower car for clearance in the recess, 
longer than normal length to maximize the amount of travel, drilled the track 
to match the spacing/pattern of the old traveler track to simplify 
installation, and custom plates for the turning blocks and cam cleats to make 
it easier to trim from the helm. All the mods done at no charge.

 

It’s a couple of ounces (maybe pounds) heavier than Harken, and not as gee whiz 
as a windward sheeting setup, but it is also very strong, very effective, and 
1/3 the cost.

 

And you just can’t beat the service.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

Thanks guys

 

I do like the Garhauer stuff. Not sure if I mentioned before but I have a 
Garhauer mainsheet set-up (but Harken parts for a new traveller, due to the 
space/clearance limitations in the traveller recess in front of the 
companionway), miscellaneous other blocks and I just acquired Garhauer towable 
genoa cars. 

 

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

 

From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List 

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:47 AM

To: Gary Nylander ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

We’ve had a Garhauer on Perception for over 10 years have been very pleased 
with it – have added a lot of  other Garhauer  stuff as a result - blocks, 
sheaves, traveller …. Always great price for great quality, and very helpful 
when you need custom things like sheaves, and goose necks.

 

Paul Fountain

Managing Director

SeaSource Inc.

Bookkeeping & IT Services.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:16 AM
To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

 

Amen to that. I have had the Garhauer rigid vang for many years on my 30-1 
(probably one size up from what would work on a 27) and race on a J-80 with a 
boomkicker. I find the Garhauer or others like it (raced on another J-80 with a 
Harken) to be much easier to use and adjust than the boomkicker. We have to 
haul hard to get the boomkicker to adjust and the boom fitting has given us 
grief in just two years of use. My Garhauer has had no problems...and has been 
raced for over a dozen years.

 

Gary

  - Original Message - 

  From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 

  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:16 AM

  Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

   

  Garhauer rigid vang is $400-$500, not $1200. I have one on my 27-5 and it is 
perfect. Garhauer is a great company to deal with, and their stuff is very high 
quality. 

  Bill Bina

  On 3/4/2015 10:04 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

Peter

Consider a Boom kicker in conjunction with your soft vang as another 
option.  Plan on $300 brand new.  On our J-27 I opted for a US Spars rigid vang 
for $400 new.  I gave away my rope vang and blocks (the fiddle block was 1 year 
old) when I added this.  Most of the J27 fleet went with the boomkicker.  The 
US Spars vang includes line and blocks attached to vang.  After the first year 
I decided I did not like this arrangement and added a rope vang with new blocks 
in addition to the rigid vang and was happy with that.  Took the price up close 
to $200.  I likely should have gone with the boomkicker.

The C&C 27 is a fairly small boat with a much smaller sail plan that the 
J27 and of course much smaller than C&C 30.  The arrangements described above 
would work well on your 27.  The only thing I was less satisfied with on the US 
Spars rigid vang was the boom attachment which is a bit lighter weight than I 
would like.  However again the C&C 27 has a smaller sail plan and less 
pressures than the J27.

Unfortunately I do not have pictures.

The weakness of the boom end attachment for the US Spars vang was that it 
only had 2 rivets and with the blocks on the rigid vang itself there was 
tremendous pressure on those rivets when vang on tight.  With the rigid vang 
being used for upward pressure and a traditional rope and block vang for 
downward pressure and attach

Re: Stus-List Garhauer Rigid Boom Vang

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

Too late for that.

I have a Garhauer vang.

Garhauer locked up a contract with Catalina some time ago, which I 
believe provided them with enough of a predictable and significant 
revenue stream to staff up and provide a good customer service staff.  
Frankly, before they landed that contract they already had a great 
reputation for quality and service, although the hardware was a bit heavy.


I honestly don't know what is going on up north.  I hear that there will 
be an election up in the USA in a year or two or three.  


Maybe everything has changed, but frankly I love those folks.

Wal



Marek wrote:

+1 on that.

But I am not sure if we should spread the word too far. We risk that everyone 
would flock to Garhauer and they would be overwhelmed, raise the prices and 
drop the customer support.  we cannot afford to deal with overly successful 
companies. We probably should keep quiet about it.



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www.wbryant.com


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Stus-List Mounting Liferaft on a 41

[Rex & Jennifer Delay via CnC-List]

Has anyone mounted a liferaft on a 41?  6 person offshore being delivered
today in canister.  The way I see it, I can either mount on a cradle in
front of the companionway (may block visibility from helm) or on the stern
rail.  Anybody have experience in this?  Opinions?

 

Rex & Jennifer Delay

www. Ghostlake.com  

www.ghostlakesailing.com

 

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Re: Stus-List Mounting Liferaft on a 41

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Rex,

I've seen it done both ways. Do you have a stern gate? If so, I'd recommend the 
stern.  

You want it in a place where, in an emergency, it can easily be deployed and 
boarded from the deck. 

The stern is also best in case the boat turtles quickly. It's easier to swim 
down and detach/deploy the raft from there instead of swimming to midship 
underwater. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Rex & Jennifer Delay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Has anyone mounted a liferaft on a 41?  6 person offshore being delivered today 
in canister.  The way I see it, I can either mount on a cradle in front of the 
companionway (may block visibility from helm) or on the stern rail.  Anybody 
have experience in this?  Opinions?
 
Rex & Jennifer Delay
www. Ghostlake.com
www.ghostlakesailing.com
 
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Re: Stus-List Mounting Liferaft on a 41

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Rex:

There is a school of thought that says it really doesn’t matter where you mount 
it. If you need it, it will get deployed.  Not entirely true but not completely 
wrong either.  I’d vote for stern but wherever is convenient and modify your 
plans accordingly.  Don’t block your visibility.  The “rail” comment concerns 
me as you really want it secure.  A wonderful cockpit table?

John


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> Has anyone mounted a liferaft on a 41?  6 person offshore being delivered 
> today in canister.  The way I see it, I can either mount on a cradle in front 
> of the companionway (may block visibility from helm) or on the stern rail.  
> Anybody have experience in this?  Opinions?
>  
> Rex & Jennifer Delay
> www. Ghostlake.com
> www.ghostlakesailing.com
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Stus-List Genoa Sailmakers c&C 38-3

[Mike Flannery via CnC-List]

 Interested in any experience with Quantum, Ullman and North sails. 135  Is a 
very stiff  (Fibre or Membrane) to handle heavy air 15-25 knots heel and 
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Re: Stus-List Genoa Sailmakers c&C 38-3

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

North but I’m biased - ordered two sails from them over the winter - a radian 
main and a norlam XW genoa.   Where are you located? Sails are always worth the 
investment.  

John

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> Interested in any experience with Quantum, Ullman and North sails. 135  Is a 
> very stiff  (Fibre or Membrane) to handle heavy air 15-25 knots heel and 
> weather helm worth the investment?
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Stus-List Diagram for deck arrangement on C&C 32?

[Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List]

I'm a proud new owner of a C&C 32 and a novice sailor. I'm trying to get a 
better handle on the fairly complex layout of the deck tackle on this boat. Is 
there any resource (i.e. diagram) available that would explain the arrangement 
of blocks, winches, etc. for this boat? I would have thought that this might be 
included in the owners manual but it's not. Thanks for the help!

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