Re: Stus-List Intimidating Music

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I like "Ghost Riders" by Duane Eddy. I also have a drain your battery 
amplifier to assure all can hear it. 

Ray Shibe

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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Marek Fluder via CnC-List]

And these guys have them on sale in Canada:
https://www.blyacht.com/en/nicro-day-night-plus-4-solar-vents.html
I ordered one at the regular price and was nicely surprised when received
yesterday being charged the sale price.
Hopefuly the longevity of these has not changed...

Marek
C320

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> Defender has these solar powered vents on sale this week.
>
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> Jack Fitzgerald
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine? -> hull speed and power required

[jtsails via CnC-List]

that sounds pretty darn close to what I have observed. An A4 at 2750rpm is 
about 24 hp and I’m doing 6.5 knots with the same hull as the LF38.
James
Delaney
C&C 38 Mk11
Oriental, NC

From: PME via CnC-List 
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Hi, 

There is a nice web calculator for calculating hull speed, a displacement 
corrected hull speed (Gerr), and horsepower dependence on speed.

It shows for the LF38, a Gerr hull speed of 7.22 Knots and required 35.5 HP to 
reach 100% of max hull speed.   It is interesting to note that 90% of hull 
speed is expected to be achieved with under 24 HP.


http://www.psychosnail.com/boatspeedcalculator.aspx





-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL






  On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:


  HI Brian

  Our 34 has the Yanmar 3GM with Martec folding prop.  Clean bottom cruising
  is 5.5, max is about 6.  As I recall, your max speed is supposed to be
  about
  80% of theoretical hull speed with throttle wide open??  Another variable
  is
  the calibration of the knotometer and if using the GPS the impact of
  current


  John and Maryann
  Legacy III
  1982 C&C 34
  Noank, CT






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Re: Stus-List Intimidating Music

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Back in the early ‘80s I sailed a “Duck Dodge” race on Cinco de Mayo with a 3 
piece Mariachi band in full costume leaning against the push pit rail.  They 
played throughout the light air race adding significantly to the party 
atmosphere but I don’t think any starboard tackers were intimidated.

The boat, a Yamaha 36 named “Made in Japan” was owned by my best friend of 
Mexican heritage.  His family owned three restaurants that served great tex-mex 
style food.  He snuck the band out of the restaurant for the race as a joke.

The “Duck Dodge” is held on Lake Union the small lake near downtown Seattle.  
It is more of a floating theme party than a race.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
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Seattle

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Depends on the political sensitivity of your competition. You may simply wish 
to play "Dixie".

Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it...

John


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On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Nothing like the Dance of the Valkyries..  It's Apocalypse Now for my 
competition..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQ


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Intimidating Music

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Depends on the political sensitivity of your competition. You may simply wish 
to play "Dixie".

Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it...

John


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> On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
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> Nothing like the Dance of the Valkyries..  It's Apocalypse Now for my 
> competition..
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQ
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Intimidating Music

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Theme from jaws?

John


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> On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing like the Dance of the Valkyries..  It's Apocalypse Now for my 
> competition..
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQ
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

There are three screws holding the solar panel to the rest of the unit. It
may take a bit of gentle persuasion to dismantle the panel/o-ring assembly
because it's gooped in place with what appears to be silicone grease. This
is a 6-year-old unit that I have, but I doubt they have changed it that
much. You *have* to be able to change out the battery...

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 14 July 2015 at 12:09, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Jim,
> I took the entire cover off by removing the three bolts. Are you saying
> their is more to breakdownthe solar panel is removable from the rest of
> this subassembly?  I didn't want to go too far since it is going back...I
> have an incredible knack for breaking things!
>
> Harry
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 15:04, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I assume you took off the solar cell? That's how I access the motor and
> battery...
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 14 July 2015 at 11:46, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I JUST bought a new Marinco 4" day/night solar vent and it doesn't
>> work??  I took it apart and found the motor and battery completely
>> sealed...unable to service, troubleshoot, etc. Hope the retailer makes it
>> easy to swap:)
>>
>> Harry
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 14:19, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nate,
>>
>> Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer
>> getting current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast.
>>
>> You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you
>> want to test and know for  sure
>>
>> Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a
>> soldering iron:
>> http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/
>>
>> You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on
>> one of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a lot
>> cheaper than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special Eneloop
>> battery I found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install.
>>
>>
>> -Francois Rivard
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
>> Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Nate Flesness 
>> Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate
>>
>> My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
>> I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
>> charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
>> but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.
>>
>> Ideas? solutions?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> "Sarah Jean"
>> 1980 30-1
>> Lake St. Croix
>> Hudson W
>> Regards
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine? -> hull speed and power required

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Well it's nice to have a little extra in the auxiliary propulsion system
when steaming into a sea and a strong headwind...the M4-30 and 3 blade
Autoprop on my 35 MKII handles that very well... the M4-30 lower sweet spot
is at 15-1600 rpm sends us along at 5 to 5.5 kts by gps with minimal motor
noise which is really nice for motor cruising around the coves with friends
along.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, PME via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There is a nice web calculator for calculating hull speed, a displacement
> corrected hull speed (Gerr), and horsepower dependence on speed.
>
> It shows for the LF38, a Gerr hull speed of 7.22 Knots and required 35.5
> HP to reach 100% of max hull speed.   It is interesting to note that 90% of
> hull speed is expected to be achieved with under 24 HP.
>
>
> http://www.psychosnail.com/boatspeedcalculator.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
>
> HI Brian
>
> Our 34 has the Yanmar 3GM with Martec folding prop.  Clean bottom cruising
> is 5.5, max is about 6.  As I recall, your max speed is supposed to be
> about
> 80% of theoretical hull speed with throttle wide open??  Another variable
> is
> the calibration of the knotometer and if using the GPS the impact of
> current
>
>
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

I have a 1986 27-V. I have a 1/2 diameter hole in the head area where 
the VHF cable passes through. I'll see if I can get some sort of 
measurement of the thickness this weekend. I would guess from memory 
that it is probably about 3/4 inch thick, and it is definitely cored.


Bill Bina

On 7/14/2015 4:55 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:

Has anyone installed a Nicro solar vent through the cabin roof over the
head?  Is the cabin roof cored?  About how thick?  I have an 1986 27-V.
   Jerry.



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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[George Cone via CnC-List]

I put one in my head this spring and it was perfect, just the correct depth to 
come to the inside ceiling on my 40

George

C&C40

 

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Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

 

Has anyone installed a Nicro solar vent through the cabin roof over the head?  
Is the cabin roof cored?  About how thick?  I have an 1986 27-V.   Jerry. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List  
wrote:

I assume you took off the solar cell? That's how I access the motor and 
battery...




Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

 

On 14 July 2015 at 11:46, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List  
wrote:

I JUST bought a new Marinco 4" day/night solar vent and it doesn't work??  I 
took it apart and found the motor and battery completely sealed...unable to 
service, troubleshoot, etc. Hope the retailer makes it easy to swap:)

Harry

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 14, 2015, at 14:19, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Nate, 

Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer getting 
current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast. 

You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you want to 
test and know for  sure

Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a 
soldering iron:   
 
http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/

You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on one 
of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a lot cheaper 
than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special Eneloop battery I 
found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nate Flesness 
Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.

Ideas? solutions?

Thanks

Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix
Hudson W
Regards



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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Has anyone installed a Nicro solar vent through the cabin roof over the head?  
Is the cabin roof cored?  About how thick?  I have an 1986 27-V.   Jerry. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I assume you took off the solar cell? That's how I access the motor and 
> battery...
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
>> On 14 July 2015 at 11:46, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I JUST bought a new Marinco 4" day/night solar vent and it doesn't work??  I 
>> took it apart and found the motor and battery completely sealed...unable to 
>> service, troubleshoot, etc. Hope the retailer makes it easy to swap:)
>> 
>> Harry
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 14:19, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nate, 
>>> 
>>> Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer getting 
>>> current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast. 
>>> 
>>> You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you want 
>>> to test and know for  sure
>>> 
>>> Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a 
>>> soldering iron:  
>>> http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/
>>> 
>>> You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on 
>>> one of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a lot 
>>> cheaper than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special Eneloop 
>>> battery I found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Francois Rivard
>>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>>> Lake Lanier, GA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
>>> Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: Nate Flesness 
>>> Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate
>>> 
>>> My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
>>> I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
>>> charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
>>> but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.
>>> 
>>> Ideas? solutions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Nate
>>> 
>>> "Sarah Jean"
>>> 1980 30-1
>>> Lake St. Croix
>>> Hudson W
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Intimidating Music

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

>... Apocalypse Now..

Or is that "Pork Lips Now"?

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Stus-List Intimidating Music

Nothing like the Dance of the Valkyries..  It's Apocalypse Now for my 
competition..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQ


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Stus-List Intimidating Music

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Nothing like the Dance of the Valkyries..  It's Apocalypse Now for my 
competition.. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQ


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

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Defender has these solar powered vents on sale this week.

Jack Fitzgerald
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> Jim,
> I took the entire cover off by removing the three bolts. Are you saying
> their is more to breakdownthe solar panel is removable from the rest of
> this subassembly?  I didn't want to go too far since it is going back...I
> have an incredible knack for breaking things!
>
> Harry
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 15:04, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I assume you took off the solar cell? That's how I access the motor and
> battery...
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 14 July 2015 at 11:46, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I JUST bought a new Marinco 4" day/night solar vent and it doesn't
>> work??  I took it apart and found the motor and battery completely
>> sealed...unable to service, troubleshoot, etc. Hope the retailer makes it
>> easy to swap:)
>>
>> Harry
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 14:19, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nate,
>>
>> Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer
>> getting current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast.
>>
>> You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you
>> want to test and know for  sure
>>
>> Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a
>> soldering iron:
>> http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/
>>
>> You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on
>> one of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a lot
>> cheaper than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special Eneloop
>> battery I found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install.
>>
>>
>> -Francois Rivard
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
>> Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Nate Flesness 
>> Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate
>>
>> My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
>> I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
>> charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
>> but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.
>>
>> Ideas? solutions?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> "Sarah Jean"
>> 1980 30-1
>> Lake St. Croix
>> Hudson W
>> Regards
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

Jim,
I took the entire cover off by removing the three bolts. Are you saying their 
is more to breakdownthe solar panel is removable from the rest of this 
subassembly?  I didn't want to go too far since it is going back...I have an 
incredible knack for breaking things!

Harry
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2015, at 15:04, Jim Watts via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I assume you took off the solar cell? That's how I access the motor and 
> battery...
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
>> On 14 July 2015 at 11:46, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I JUST bought a new Marinco 4" day/night solar vent and it doesn't work??  I 
>> took it apart and found the motor and battery completely sealed...unable to 
>> service, troubleshoot, etc. Hope the retailer makes it easy to swap:)
>> 
>> Harry
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 14:19, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nate, 
>>> 
>>> Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer getting 
>>> current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast. 
>>> 
>>> You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you want 
>>> to test and know for  sure
>>> 
>>> Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a 
>>> soldering iron:  
>>> http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/
>>> 
>>> You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on 
>>> one of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a lot 
>>> cheaper than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special Eneloop 
>>> battery I found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Francois Rivard
>>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>>> Lake Lanier, GA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
>>> Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: Nate Flesness 
>>> Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate
>>> 
>>> My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
>>> I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
>>> charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
>>> but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.
>>> 
>>> Ideas? solutions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Nate
>>> 
>>> "Sarah Jean"
>>> 1980 30-1
>>> Lake St. Croix
>>> Hudson W
>>> Regards
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I assume you took off the solar cell? That's how I access the motor and
battery...

Jim Watts
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Victoria, BC

On 14 July 2015 at 11:46, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I JUST bought a new Marinco 4" day/night solar vent and it doesn't work??
> I took it apart and found the motor and battery completely sealed...unable
> to service, troubleshoot, etc. Hope the retailer makes it easy to swap:)
>
> Harry
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 14:19, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Nate,
>
> Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer getting
> current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast.
>
> You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you want
> to test and know for  sure
>
> Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a
> soldering iron:
> http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/
>
> You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on
> one of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a lot
> cheaper than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special Eneloop
> battery I found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install.
>
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
> From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
> Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Nate Flesness 
> Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate
>
> My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
> I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
> charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
> but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.
>
> Ideas? solutions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nate
>
> "Sarah Jean"
> 1980 30-1
> Lake St. Croix
> Hudson W
> Regards
>
>
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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

I JUST bought a new Marinco 4" day/night solar vent and it doesn't work??  I 
took it apart and found the motor and battery completely sealed...unable to 
service, troubleshoot, etc. Hope the retailer makes it easy to swap:)

Harry
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2015, at 14:19, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nate, 
> 
> Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer getting 
> current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast. 
> 
> You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you want to 
> test and know for  sure
> 
> Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a 
> soldering iron:  
> http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/
> 
> You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on one 
> of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a lot 
> cheaper than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special Eneloop 
> battery I found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install. 
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
> 
> 
> From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
> Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Nate Flesness 
> Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate
> 
> My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
> I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
> charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
> but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.
> 
> Ideas? solutions?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nate
> 
> "Sarah Jean"
> 1980 30-1
> Lake St. Croix
> Hudson W
> Regards
> 
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Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Nate, 

Sounds to me like one of the commutators in the motor is no longer getting 
current and that creates a dead spot.  I.E your motor is toast. 

You can try connecting a good AA battery directly to the motor if you want 
to test and know for  sure

Here's a good replacement if you or one of your friends is handy with a 
soldering iron:  
http://store.sundancesolar.com/motor-for-solar-projects-1-5v-to-12v-dc/

You also need to shim it some for a perfect fit.  I found out about it on 
one of the cruisers forums, the guy reported excellent results.  It's a 
lot cheaper than a new vent.  I just received mine along with a special 
Eneloop battery I found on Amazon.  I'll report back when I install. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
Date: 2015-07-14  02:15  (GMT+01:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nate Flesness 
Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to
charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little,
but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.

Ideas? solutions?

Thanks

Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix
Hudson W
Regards



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Re: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

That wriggle back and forth sounds like low voltage or a failed sector in the 
motor winding.  Along with battery charging issues the low voltage could be 
caused by corroded connections or wires.  It could also be extra load on the 
motor from friction but if it goes back and forth I lean towards 
voltage/winding issues.

The company I work for does a significant amount of environmental testing on 
wire wound assemblies often made with very fine wire.  Any chlorides (salt) 
present when the windings are exposed to water accelerates corrosion 
significantly.  I am often surprised on how far the corrosion damage will 
work/wick into a coated or encapsulated assembly and not be visible even under 
20X magnification.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate 
Flesness via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nate Flesness
Subject: Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.
I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to charge 
in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a little, but doesn't 
rotate - same as the with the old battery.

Ideas? solutions?

Thanks

Nate

"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix
Hudson WI

and

Tartan 31
SIskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine? -> hull speed and power required

[PME via CnC-List]

Hi,

There is a nice web calculator for calculating hull speed, a displacement 
corrected hull speed (Gerr), and horsepower dependence on speed.

It shows for the LF38, a Gerr hull speed of 7.22 Knots and required 35.5 HP to 
reach 100% of max hull speed.   It is interesting to note that 90% of hull 
speed is expected to be achieved with under 24 HP.


http://www.psychosnail.com/boatspeedcalculator.aspx 






-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




> On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> 
> HI Brian
> 
> Our 34 has the Yanmar 3GM with Martec folding prop.  Clean bottom cruising
> is 5.5, max is about 6.  As I recall, your max speed is supposed to be
> about
> 80% of theoretical hull speed with throttle wide open??  Another variable
> is
> the calibration of the knotometer and if using the GPS the impact of
> current
> 
> 
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
> 

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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

We have Yanmar 3GM30F in our Ferrs 33 which is similar hull shape to C&C33-2.  
We make 6.2 at 2300 RPM and can just squeak out 7.0 at WOT

Mike
Persistence

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Maryann Read via CnC-List
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HI Brian

Our 34 has the Yanmar 3GM with Martec folding prop.  Clean bottom cruising is 
5.5, max is about 6.  As I recall, your max speed is supposed to be about 80% 
of theoretical hull speed with throttle wide open??  Another variable is the 
calibration of the knotometer and if using the GPS the impact of current


John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT


- Original Message -
From: "Brian Morrison via CnC-List" 
To: 
Cc: "Brian Morrison" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 00:47
Subject: Stus-List Best Engine?


> Hello,
>
> I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and 
> somewhat larger boats than my 1979 C&C34. When there is no wind and we 
> are forced to motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom 
> my cruising speed is about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm 
> wondering would

> a Yanmar or a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots?
>
> Brian C. Morrison
> S/V
> Rekofa
> 1979
> C&C34
> Chesapeake Bay
>


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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

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I’m going to assume that the original poster’s Atomic 4 doesn’t have a 
reduction gear. that’s the biggest problem with the A4 , it doesn’t make much 
power under 2500rpm and there are not any props that work well above 2500. A 
lot of the A4 guys are using Indigo props which will at least get the rpms up 
above 2000. My boat has an old never been rebuilt A4 with a 2:1 reduction gear 
turning a fixed 16x10 2-blade prop. I cruise at 6.25-6.5 knots at 2750rpms. And 
that’s in a 15000 lb 38 ft. There is a lot of discussion over on the Moyer site 
about this.
James
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

All,

The Enterprise-A was a 1978 C&C 34. The original Yanmar 20HP got her to 6.4 
knots (Warp 6.4) with a folding prop. 

The best way to maximize your speed is keeping your bottom clean. Have your 
boat dived on regularly. During the warmer months, when growth excels, we clean 
once a week. 

I think this thread started with the notion of a repower. As someone going 
through this process now, I would highly recommending against it until you 
absolutely have to. 


All the best,

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On Jul 14, 2015, at 9:17 AM, jim aridas via CnC-List  
wrote:

Might as well chime in .
My 1982 34' c/b with a 3GMF20 ,martec folding cruises the same as Legacy III 
about 5.5 to 6 max around 3100rpm.
When I first got the boat and brought it up to NJ from Annapolis she had a 2 
blade sailor and cruised to 7knots pretty easily.
Jim
Galaxy
Brielle, NJ

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:16:03 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Best Engine?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: chuckbo...@gmail.com

Hi Brian,

After seeing Legacy's speed with a 3GM, I feel less bad about our speed.
I've got a 1978 34 with a 2QM20 and get right around 5.5  with a Mar-Tec 
folding prop, too.
I though she was under-powered, but I guess not.  I try not to run wide-open, 
so I can only guess we'd get to 6kts.
Good news she sips diesel fuel.

Chuck B
C&C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA


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Re: Stus-List Boat time and weather

[David via CnC-List]

Thats my concern as well.   I assume there really is no way to tell until your 
give it a turn and find out ya got nuthin'.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:08:46 -0700
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat time and weather
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: lpaalc...@yahoo.com
> 
> I doubt that the bolts loosened, most likely the goop squeezed out and now 
> not compressed...
> 
> Leslie
> collected 'plenty' of squeezed out goop from the shelf under.
> Phoenix, C&C32 (1983)
> Long Beach CA.
> 
> On Mon, 7/13/15, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat time and weather
>  To: "CNC CNC" 
>  Cc: "David" 
>  Date: Monday, July 13, 2015, 6:53 AM
>  
>  #yiv620107
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>  #yiv620107 Martin
>  & Jake,
>  
>  Thanks for the
>  advice.   My God there must be 100 bolts per side.
>  
>  Fun job that will be...
>  
>  David F. Risch
>  (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>  
>  
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:00:02 +
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat time and weather
>  From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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>  mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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>  >… move the nut one or two
>  flats to keep them torqued.
>   
>  This was my experience on
>  Calypso’s hull-to-deck joint also.  About 10% of the
>  bolts needed a few more flats worth of rotation maybe up to
>  ¾ turn.
>   
>  I did not need to hold the screw
>  heads as the decades of salt water exposure have effectively
>  frozen them tight.  I was not able to tighten all the bolts
>  as some
>   are buried in the fiberglass tabbing around bulkheads.  I
>  am assuming those have not loosened.
>   
>  
>  Martin DeYoung
>  Calypso
>  1971 C&C 43
>  Seattle
>  
>  
>  
>  
>   
>  
>  
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>  On Behalf Of Jake Brodersen via CnC-List
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>  Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:47 PM
>  
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>  
>  Cc: Jake Brodersen
>  
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat time and
>  weather
>  
>  
>   
>  David,
>   
>  Glad you made it through without
>  too much damage.  The hull-to-deck joint needs to be snug,
>  but not super tight either.  You don’t want to squeeze
>  all of the
>   butyl out of the seam.  I use a small ½” wrench and try
>  to keep all of the bolts at about the same torque.  It
>  helps to have someone on deck to hold the screw head
>  stationary.  I’ve usually only had to move the nut one or
>  two flats to keep them torqued.  I
>   don’t do it often either.
>   
>  Jake
>   
>  Jake
>  Brodersen
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>  Hampton VA
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>  Rich,
>  
>  
>  
>  Not much went wrong.  Freshwater pump fried, baby stay car
>  bolts sheared, broken head lid, wind unit at mast head
>  deciding to go sideways (huh?), and not much else.  
>  
>  
>  
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Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

[robert via CnC-List]

Jake:

I have one probably the same vintage (it's the 10th season for 
us)...it runs year roundI replaced the C cell battery once about 
5 years back.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-07-13 10:56 PM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List wrote:


Nate,

I have one that is over 20 years old.  Runs like a top every day.  I 
don’t know how, but it just keeps going like the energizer bunny.  It 
sounds like your battery may not be charging.  Try checking the 
voltage on the battery.  If it’s not, the solar cell may not be 
functional anymore.  I haven’t heard of anyone repairing these, but 
maybe someone will have some other ideas.


Jake

*Jake Brodersen*

*/“Midnight Mistress”/*

*C&C 35 Mk-III*

*Hampton VA*

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*Cc:* Nate Flesness
*Subject:* Stus-List solar vent wiggles, doesn't rotate

My Nicro 4" solar vent, maybe 4 years old, would not run this season.

I replaced the NI-MH C cell, left it switched off for a couple days to 
charge in the sun, and turned it on - it wiggles back and forth a 
little, but doesn't rotate - same as the with the old battery.


Ideas? solutions?

Thanks

Nate

"Sarah Jean"

1980 30-1

Lake St. Croix

Hudson WI

and

Tartan 31

SIskiwit Bay Marina

Lake Superior



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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[jim aridas via CnC-List]

Might as well chime in .My 1982 34' c/b with a 3GMF20 ,martec folding cruises 
the same as Legacy III about 5.5 to 6 max around 3100rpm.When I first got the 
boat and brought it up to NJ from Annapolis she had a 2 blade sailor and 
cruised to 7knots pretty easily.JimGalaxyBrielle, NJ
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:16:03 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Hi Brian,
After seeing Legacy's speed with a 3GM, I feel less bad about our speed.I've 
got a 1978 34 with a 2QM20 and get right around 5.5  with a Mar-Tec folding 
prop, too.I though she was under-powered, but I guess not.  I try not to run 
wide-open, so I can only guess we'd get to 6kts.Good news she sips diesel fuel.
Chuck BC&C 34 ElusiveSomerset, MA
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

Thanks Dan,

I'll check there. 

"He gonna gimme my ham, my ham, my ham! He gonna gimme my ham!" August Wilson's 
Hambone.

> On Jul 14, 2015, at 6:19 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian, 
> that would be quite an investment.
> 
> Realistically, that atomic four, would be giving you about 18hp at about 
> 2600rpm.
> 
> I don't know what you have for a prop or how old your engine is or what 
> condition it is in.
> 
> I would, however, direct you over to the Moyer Marine forums.  I would ask 
> over there for ways to get more out of your atomic 4 and try to save the cost 
> of a diesel repower in a 35 year old boat.  Which could be 8, 10, maybe even 
> 15k.
> 
> You may be into new mounting rails, new fuel tank, new panel, new exhaust...  
> Even of you find a reasonable used diesel the labor is extensive.  Costs cold 
> even approach market value of your boat.  Especially of you have the work 
> done.  If you do it yourself it is your own time.  Whatever value you put on 
> that.  At any rate, the Moyer forum guys might be able to help you get a 
> little more for a lot less time and money.
> 
> Danny
> Still shopping
> MassachusettsOn Jul 14, 2015 12:47 AM, Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and somewhat 
>> larger boats than my 1979 C&C34. When there is no wind and we are forced to 
>> motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom my cruising speed is 
>> about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm wondering would a Yanmar 
>> or a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots? 
>> 
>> Brian C. Morrison 
>> S/V 
>> Rekofa 
>> 1979 
>> C&C34 
>> Chesapeake Bay 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Hi Brian,

After seeing Legacy's speed with a 3GM, I feel less bad about our speed.
I've got a 1978 34 with a 2QM20 and get right around 5.5  with a Mar-Tec
folding prop, too.
I though she was under-powered, but I guess not.  I try not to run
wide-open, so I can only guess we'd get to 6kts.
Good news she sips diesel fuel.

Chuck B
C&C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA



On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:18 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
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> HI Brian
>
> Our 34 has the Yanmar 3GM with Martec folding prop.  Clean bottom cruising
> is 5.5, max is about 6.  As I recall, your max speed is supposed to be
> about
> 80% of theoretical hull speed with throttle wide open??  Another variable
> is
> the calibration of the knotometer and if using the GPS the impact of
> current
>
>
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Morrison via CnC-List" 
> To: 
> Cc: "Brian Morrison" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 00:47
> Subject: Stus-List Best Engine?
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and somewhat
> > larger boats than my 1979 C&C34. When there is no wind and we are forced
> > to motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom my cruising
> > speed is about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm wondering
> would
>
> > a Yanmar or a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots?
> >
> > Brian C. Morrison
> > S/V
> > Rekofa
> > 1979
> > C&C34
> > Chesapeake Bay
> >
>
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

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HI Brian

Our 34 has the Yanmar 3GM with Martec folding prop.  Clean bottom cruising
is 5.5, max is about 6.  As I recall, your max speed is supposed to be about
80% of theoretical hull speed with throttle wide open??  Another variable is
the calibration of the knotometer and if using the GPS the impact of current


John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT


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To: 
Cc: "Brian Morrison" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 00:47
Subject: Stus-List Best Engine?


> Hello,
>
> I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and somewhat 
> larger boats than my 1979 C&C34. When there is no wind and we are forced 
> to motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom my cruising 
> speed is about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm wondering would

> a Yanmar or a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots?
>
> Brian C. Morrison
> S/V
> Rekofa
> 1979
> C&C34
> Chesapeake Bay
>


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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

The manufacturer of the engine does not determine horsepower, and that is 
really what you are talking about, assuming clean bottom and the right prop. 
I am not sure about the range of engines available now from Westerbeke, but 
Yanmar makes a range of engine sizes from too small, to much too large for 
your application.


Don't forget that the theoretical hull speed for your water line length is 
6.82 knots and that to achieve that speed, or go a little faster, requires 
an enormous amount of power in getting that last knot. The somewhat larger 
boats with a longer water line will require less power to go 7+ knots than 
yours will. The power required to drive a displacement boat, or a car for 
that matter, increases by approximately the square of the speed until you 
get to within a knot or so of the hull speed, and then the ratio starts 
going up enormously.


I towed a 30 foot boat with a disabled A4 in it for the last 20 miles coming 
back from Ashtabula on the July 4 weekend. My boat has a Yanmar YSB12 which 
is rated at 10 hp continuous output. We were able to maintain 4.3 knots with 
the engine running at about 80%. I don't have a tach so I don't know the 
exact percentage, but it was definitely not flat out, and I had been getting 
5.6 knots on the same setting before starting the tow. I was surprised that 
we were able to make such speed as we did, considering that the displacement 
more that doubled with the tow, but the water was almost flat. Hull speed on 
my boat is 6.34 knots.


Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON


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To: 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 00:47
Subject: Stus-List Best Engine?



Hello,

I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and somewhat 
larger boats than my 1979 C&C34. When there is no wind and we are forced 
to motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom my cruising 
speed is about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm wondering would 
a Yanmar or a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots?


Brian C. Morrison
S/V
Rekofa
1979
C&C34
Chesapeake Bay




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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Brian, 
that would be quite an investment.

Realistically, that atomic four, would be giving you about 18hp at about 
2600rpm.

I don't know what you have for a prop or how old your engine is or what 
condition it is in.

I would, however, direct you over to the Moyer Marine forums.  I would ask over 
there for ways to get more out of your atomic 4 and try to save the cost of a 
diesel repower in a 35 year old boat.  Which could be 8, 10, maybe even 15k.

You may be into new mounting rails, new fuel tank, new panel, new exhaust...  
Even of you find a reasonable used diesel the labor is extensive.  Costs cold 
even approach market value of your boat.  Especially of you have the work done. 
 If you do it yourself it is your own time.  Whatever value you put on that.  
At any rate, the Moyer forum guys might be able to help you get a little more 
for a lot less time and money.

Danny
Still shopping
MassachusettsOn Jul 14, 2015 12:47 AM, Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
 wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
> I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and somewhat 
> larger boats than my 1979 C&C34. When there is no wind and we are forced to 
> motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom my cruising speed is 
> about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm wondering would a Yanmar or 
> a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots? 
>
> Brian C. Morrison 
> S/V 
> Rekofa 
> 1979 
> C&C34 
> Chesapeake Bay 
>
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Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Brian,

I can manage 7.2 kts with a clean bottom and the throttle wide open.  It's
not something that I do often or recommend.  My typical cruising speed is
6.5 kts, which I can achieve at 2,800-2,900 rpm.  I have the Yanmar 3GM30F
engine.  

You're talking about a lot of expense to go just a little bit faster.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA



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Subject: Stus-List Best Engine?

Hello,

I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and somewhat
larger boats than my 1979 C&C34. When there is no wind and we are forced to
motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom my cruising speed is
about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm wondering would a Yanmar
or a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots?

Brian C. Morrison
S/V
Rekofa
1979
C&C34
Chesapeake Bay 



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