Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest thing 
C&C ever made :)
I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would 
solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet cut 
off and we don't suffer that round-up issue to that extent at all.

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of james via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: james 
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project


The 39 that I grew up sailing had a similar keel mod. It was a 7'1" draft and 
that boat went to weather like a dream! Rudder was too small and she would 
round up like you wouldn't believe, had to sail it very close to the edge 
Won a lot of silver with her. The boat is still in our area, sitting on the 
hard at Jarrett Bay Boat Works undergoing an extensive rebuild. Keel has since 
been chainsawed off to a 6' draft.

James

Delaney

C&C38 1976

Oriental, NC

On 5/24/2017 6:43 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
I would have to take a chainsaw to the keel to get into my marina.


Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
Tauber via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber 
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project

8' draft.  Can sail it in the Mariana Trench but not where I sale.   Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2017, at 11:24 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Wow, what a great boat! If I didn't have my current boat, I would be seriously 
looking at at that one! Its hard to believe that this is the same model as the 
neglected one about to be trashed! Thanks Mike for sharing this.

Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Sent: Wed, May 24, 2017 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project
On a more positive note Ceilidh is for sale.  This is a 1973 C&C 39 TM with a 
deeper keel.  This boat is in excellent condition.  It is listed on Yachtworld 
by Sunnybrook Yachts but can easily be found by going to 
www.sunnybrookyachts.com

I am in no way affiliated with the sale of this boat or with Sunnybrook.  
However when you hear of a boat dying it is often uplifting to look at one of 
the finest examples of the same vessel. It is also heartening after seeing a 
beautiful boat neglected to see the same model that has been given the 
attention all boats deserve!

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On Behalf Of Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:00 PM
To: C&CList
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed

We have owned our 39-TM since 1975. I pains me to see someone let a C&C, 
especially a 39 become a derelict. I doubt that there are any usable parts left 
to use beyond the salvage price of the lead in the keel. What a shame!!!

Best regards,
Jack & Beth Fitzgerald
S/V HONEY
US12788



On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Parts boat for someone who already owns one.

On May 23, 2017 3:32 PM, "Craig Cochran via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
As a 39 owner, that's painfull

 Original message 
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 23/05/2017 16:59 (GMT+00:00)
To: C&C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed
Somebody looking for a cheap project boat?  Kills me to see a boat get 
destroyed.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/sailboatsforsale/permalink/1536653003119915/?sale_post_id=1536653003119915

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[james via CnC-List]

I have never sailed on an unmodified 39. I think that ours had a 
tendency to round up because the replacement keel was a Peterson type 
design (like the one in the link) and it moved the center of resistance 
too far forward.


James

Delaney

1976 C&C 38 Oriental NC


On 5/25/2017 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the 
prettiest thing C&C ever made J


I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot 
would solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a 
few feet cut off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that 
extent at all.


Joe

Coquina

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*james via CnC-List

*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:51 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* james 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 
39 trash project


The 39 that I grew up sailing had a similar keel mod. It was a 7'1" 
draft and that boat went to weather like a dream! Rudder was too small 
and she would round up like you wouldn't believe, had to sail it very 
close to the edge Won a lot of silver with her. The boat is still 
in our area, sitting on the hard at Jarrett Bay Boat Works undergoing 
an extensive rebuild. Keel has since been chainsawed off to a 6' draft.


James

Delaney

C&C38 1976

Oriental, NC

On 5/24/2017 6:43 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:

I would have to take a chainsaw to the keel to get into my marina.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
Of *Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:08 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Jerome Tauber  
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was
C&C 39 trash project

8' draft.  Can sail it in the Mariana Trench but not where I sale.
  Jerry

Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2017, at 11:24 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Wow, what a great boat! If I didn't have my current boat, I
would be seriously looking at at that one! Its hard to believe
that this is the same model as the neglected one about to be
trashed! Thanks Mike for sharing this.

Richard

s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255

-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Sent: Wed, May 24, 2017 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was
C&C 39 trash project

On a more positive note Ceilidh is for sale. This is a 1973
C&C 39 TM with a deeper keel.  This boat is in excellent
condition. It is listed on Yachtworld by Sunnybrook Yachts but
can easily be found by going to www.sunnybrookyachts.com


I am in no way affiliated with the sale of this boat or with
Sunnybrook.  However when you hear of a boat dying it is often
uplifting to look at one of the finest examples of the same
vessel. It is also heartening after seeing a beautiful boat
neglected to see the same model that has been given the
attention all boats deserve!

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS

http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt


*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jack
Fitzgerald via CnC-List
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:00 PM
*To:* C&CList
*Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed

We have owned our 39-TM since 1975. I pains me to see someone
let a C&C, especially a 39 become a derelict. I doubt that
there are any usable parts left to use beyond the salvage
price of the lead in the keel. What a shame!!!


Best regards,
Jack & Beth Fitzgerald

S/V HONEY

US12788

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Parts boat for someone who already owns one.

On May 23, 2017 3:32 PM, "Craig Cochran via CnC-List"
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

As a 39 owner, that's painfull

 Original message 
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date

Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase in
1975 and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up issued
mention earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C&C sent me a new and
updated deeper rudder "free of charge" and the boat just simply sailed even
better. Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder designed and built for
Honey and improvement was beyond belief. Sadly, the maintenance, new UK
sails & general upkeep over the last 4 years costs more than the boat is
worth. I can honestly say that our C&C 39 TM has aged like a fine wine,
after 42 years of owning her she just keeps getting better, I just wish
that her value would increase as well.

I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C&C built and they built
some damn good looking boats.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY
US12788



On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest
> thing C&C ever made J
>
> I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would
> solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet
> cut off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that extent at all.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *james
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:51 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* james 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39
> trash project
>
>
>
> The 39 that I grew up sailing had a similar keel mod. It was a 7'1" draft
> and that boat went to weather like a dream! Rudder was too small and she
> would round up like you wouldn't believe, had to sail it very close to the
> edge Won a lot of silver with her. The boat is still in our area,
> sitting on the hard at Jarrett Bay Boat Works undergoing an extensive
> rebuild. Keel has since been chainsawed off to a 6' draft.
>
> James
>
> Delaney
>
> C&C38 1976
>
> Oriental, NC
>
>
>
> On 5/24/2017 6:43 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I would have to take a chainsaw to the keel to get into my marina.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:08 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jerome Tauber  
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39
> trash project
>
>
>
> 8' draft.  Can sail it in the Mariana Trench but not where I sale.   Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 24, 2017, at 11:24 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Wow, what a great boat! If I didn't have my current boat, I would be
> seriously looking at at that one! Its hard to believe that this is the same
> model as the neglected one about to be trashed! Thanks Mike for sharing
> this.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255 <(502)%20584-7255>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Wed, May 24, 2017 8:26 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39
> trash project
>
> On a more positive note Ceilidh is for sale.  This is a 1973 C&C 39 TM
> with a deeper keel.  This boat is in excellent condition.  It is listed on
> Yachtworld by Sunnybrook Yachts but can easily be found by going to
> www.sunnybrookyachts.com
>
>
>
> I am in no way affiliated with the sale of this boat or with Sunnybrook.
> However when you hear of a boat dying it is often uplifting to look at one
> of the finest examples of the same vessel. It is also heartening after
> seeing a beautiful boat neglected to see the same model that has been given
> the attention all boats deserve!
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 33
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jack Fitzgerald via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:00 PM
> *To:* C&CList
> *Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed
>
>
>
> We have owned our 39-TM since 1975. I pains me to see someone let a C&C,
> especially a 39 become a derelict. I doubt that there are any usable parts
> left to use beyond the salvage price of the lead in the keel. What a
> shame!!!
>
>
> Best regards,
> Jack & Beth Fitzgerald
>
> S/V HONEY
>
> US12788
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Parts boat for someone who already owns one.
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2017 3:32 PM, "Craig Cochran via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> As a 39 owner, that's painfull
>
>

Stus-List C&C30 MK1 Top-O-the_Mast

[Cleverboy via CnC-List]

I'm having a problem with replacing the sheaves at the of of my C&C 30 mast. 
The axles don't go all the way through so they can't be pushed out. They are 
held in place with an attached cover piece over one end. I got it to move a 
little but was afraid of destroying the cover piece and totally ruining the 
axle. Tried PB Blaster to move things along. I was thinking of drilling a hole 
opposite and pushing out the axle. How have others handled this?
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Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Curious - what is the -TM suffix?  Tall mast?

39-TM 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2017, at 5:26 AM, james  wrote:
> 
> I have never sailed on an unmodified 39. I think that ours had a tendency to 
> round up because the replacement keel was a Peterson type design (like the 
> one in the link) and it moved the center of resistance too far forward.
> 
> James
> 
> Delaney
> 
> 1976 C&C 38 Oriental NC
> 
>> On 5/25/2017 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>> The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest 
>> thing C&C ever made J
>> I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would 
>> solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a 
>> few feet cut off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that extent at 
>> all.
>>  
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of james via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:51 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: james 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
>> project
>>  
>> The 39 that I grew up sailing had a similar keel mod. It was a 7'1" draft 
>> and that boat went to weather like a dream! Rudder was too small and she 
>> would round up like you wouldn't believe, had to sail it very close to the 
>> edge Won a lot of silver with her. The boat is still in our area, 
>> sitting on the hard at Jarrett Bay Boat Works undergoing an extensive 
>> rebuild. Keel has since been chainsawed off to a 6' draft.
>> 
>> James
>> 
>> Delaney
>> 
>> C&C38 1976
>> 
>> Oriental, NC
>> 
>>  
>> On 5/24/2017 6:43 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>> I would have to take a chainsaw to the keel to get into my marina.
>>  
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> j...@dellabarba.com
>>  
>> Coquina
>> C&C 35 MK I
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
>> Tauber via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:08 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Jerome Tauber 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
>> project
>>  
>> 8' draft.  Can sail it in the Mariana Trench but not where I sale.   Jerry 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 24, 2017, at 11:24 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, what a great boat! If I didn't have my current boat, I would be 
>> seriously looking at at that one! Its hard to believe that this is the same 
>> model as the neglected one about to be trashed! Thanks Mike for sharing this.
>>  
>> Richard
>> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4
>> 
>> Richard N. Bush  
>> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
>> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
>> 502-584-7255
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>> To: cnc-list 
>> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
>> Sent: Wed, May 24, 2017 8:26 am
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
>> project
>> 
>> On a more positive note Ceilidh is for sale.  This is a 1973 C&C 39 TM with 
>> a deeper keel.  This boat is in excellent condition.  It is listed on 
>> Yachtworld by Sunnybrook Yachts but can easily be found by going to 
>> www.sunnybrookyachts.com
>>  
>> I am in no way affiliated with the sale of this boat or with Sunnybrook.  
>> However when you hear of a boat dying it is often uplifting to look at one 
>> of the finest examples of the same vessel. It is also heartening after 
>> seeing a beautiful boat neglected to see the same model that has been given 
>> the attention all boats deserve!
>>  
>> Mike
>> Persistence
>> 1987 Frers 33
>> Halifax, NS
>> http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack 
>> Fitzgerald via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:00 PM
>> To: C&CList
>> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed
>>  
>> We have owned our 39-TM since 1975. I pains me to see someone let a C&C, 
>> especially a 39 become a derelict. I doubt that there are any usable parts 
>> left to use beyond the salvage price of the lead in the keel. What a shame!!!
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Jack & Beth Fitzgerald 
>> S/V HONEY
>> US12788
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Parts boat for someone who already owns one.
>>  
>> On May 23, 2017 3:32 PM, "Craig Cochran via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> As a 39 owner, that's painfull 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
>> Date: 23/05/2017 16:59 (GMT+00:00) 
>> To: C&C List  
>> Cc: Josh Muckley  
>> Subject: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed
>> Somebody looking for a cheap project boat?  Kills me to see a boat get 
>> destroyed.
>>  
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/sailboatsforsale/permalink/1536653003119915/?sale_post_id=1536653003119915
>>  
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
>> _

Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Correct. TM = tall mast

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
Savannah, GA USA
HONEY
US12788



On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Curious - what is the -TM suffix?  Tall mast?
>
> 39-TM
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 25, 2017, at 5:26 AM, james  wrote:
>
> I have never sailed on an unmodified 39. I think that ours had a tendency
> to round up because the replacement keel was a Peterson type design (like
> the one in the link) and it moved the center of resistance too far forward.
>
> James
>
> Delaney
>
> 1976 C&C 38 Oriental NC
>
> On 5/25/2017 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>
> The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest
> thing C&C ever made J
>
> I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would
> solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet
> cut off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that extent at all.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *james via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:51 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* james  
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39
> trash project
>
>
>
> The 39 that I grew up sailing had a similar keel mod. It was a 7'1" draft
> and that boat went to weather like a dream! Rudder was too small and she
> would round up like you wouldn't believe, had to sail it very close to the
> edge Won a lot of silver with her. The boat is still in our area,
> sitting on the hard at Jarrett Bay Boat Works undergoing an extensive
> rebuild. Keel has since been chainsawed off to a 6' draft.
>
> James
>
> Delaney
>
> C&C38 1976
>
> Oriental, NC
>
>
>
> On 5/24/2017 6:43 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I would have to take a chainsaw to the keel to get into my marina.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:08 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jerome Tauber  
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39
> trash project
>
>
>
> 8' draft.  Can sail it in the Mariana Trench but not where I sale.   Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 24, 2017, at 11:24 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Wow, what a great boat! If I didn't have my current boat, I would be
> seriously looking at at that one! Its hard to believe that this is the same
> model as the neglected one about to be trashed! Thanks Mike for sharing
> this.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255 <(502)%20584-7255>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Wed, May 24, 2017 8:26 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39
> trash project
>
> On a more positive note Ceilidh is for sale.  This is a 1973 C&C 39 TM
> with a deeper keel.  This boat is in excellent condition.  It is listed on
> Yachtworld by Sunnybrook Yachts but can easily be found by going to
> www.sunnybrookyachts.com
>
>
>
> I am in no way affiliated with the sale of this boat or with Sunnybrook.
> However when you hear of a boat dying it is often uplifting to look at one
> of the finest examples of the same vessel. It is also heartening after
> seeing a beautiful boat neglected to see the same model that has been given
> the attention all boats deserve!
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 33
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jack Fitzgerald via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:00 PM
> *To:* C&CList
> *Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed
>
>
>
> We have owned our 39-TM since 1975. I pains me to see someone let a C&C,
> especially a 39 become a derelict. I doubt that there are any usable parts
> left to use beyond the salvage price of the lead in the keel. What a
> shame!!!
>
>
> Best regards,
> Jack & Beth Fitzgerald
>
> S/V HONEY
>
> US12788
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Parts boat for someone who already owns one.
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2017 3:32 PM, "Craig Cochran via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> As a 39 owner, that's painfull
>
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> Date: 23/05/2017 16:59 (GMT+00:00)
> To: C&C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 39 project being trashed
>
> Somebody looking for a cheap project boat?  Kills me to see a boat get
> destroyed.
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/

Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Maybe more than it could be sold for but definitely not more than it is worth.  
Worth is measured in more than dollars and the reality is that to take any boat 
and make it as it should be can be many thousands or tens of thousands more 
than the purchase price.  The only difference as I see it is that spending 
$20,000 on regular maintenance on a newer $250,000 boat seems more normal than 
doing so on an older $40,000 boat.  They are both still sailboats and cost the 
same to run.

Lavishing attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself and some may 
suggest that it is more rewarding to some of us than doing the same to people!

Mike
Persistence
Also spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+ before that!)

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack 
Fitzgerald via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:08 AM
To: C&CList
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project

I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase in 1975 
and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up issued mention 
earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C&C sent me a new and updated 
deeper rudder "free of charge" and the boat just simply sailed even better. 
Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder designed and built for Honey and 
improvement was beyond belief. Sadly, the maintenance, new UK sails & general 
upkeep over the last 4 years costs more than the boat is worth. I can honestly 
say that our C&C 39 TM has aged like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her 
she just keeps getting better, I just wish that her value would increase as 
well.

I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C&C built and they built 
some damn good looking boats.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY
US12788



On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest thing 
C&C ever made ☺
I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would 
solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet cut 
off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that extent at all.

Joe
Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Replacement handles for Lewmar D2 clutches

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Not related. Sound Marine Diesel is Joe Demers, who is one of the better 
marine mechanics you will find anywhere.


Bill Bina


On 5/25/2017 12:44 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:

I think that was a different person/business, Sound Marine Diesel.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 24 May 2017 at 12:21, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote:


Wasn't he on this list years ago?

Dennis C

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Based on stories I have read, I wouldn't deal with Sound
Boatworks, but YMMV.

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/162237-sound-boatworks/#comment-4757147



Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC



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Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I originated this issue.
Remove the ICOM radio from my network and the GNX 20 displays  functions. Left 
it running for two days and went out for a sail.
We found some date on line that some N2K compliant radios are not fully 
compatible.
Now have to come up with something so the DSC function on my ICOM works.
Thanks for all your comments
John on EnterpriseC&C 33 MK IIKomoka ON 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:03 AM, Dave via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Agreed with Paul - my n2k/AIS ICOM m506 displays GPS data from the n2k Garmin 
antenna reliably.  In fact an alarm goes off to warn me of no gps data if I 
turn off the instruments but not the gps.  
Similarly, the ais data provided by the M506 displays on The Raymarine i70 
display.  So, it works both ways.
This worked all last season as well, so if there was an issue it predates late 
2015/2016.  (Radio purchased Jan 2016) 
What does not work is getting the AIS data to via gateway to devices outside 
the wired n2k network.   Working on that.
Dave


Sent from my iPhone
On May 24, 2017, at 5:29 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:



Not sure this is still the case ... I just installed an icom 506 AIS/ N2K 
radio, and it and my ray N2K MFD they recognized each other and the radio got 
the gps info right away, and the AIS info was showing on the MFD once the 
antenna was connected. There are no 0183 devices left on Perception. 
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: CnC-List  on behalf of 
Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:56:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 From a cruising forum.

So my partner contacted ICOM UK, who said that despite what is printed in the 
manual,the Icom M506 does not support obtaining a GPS position over NMEA 2000. 
The menu option to select an NMEA 2000 GPS source does nothing.

Apparently they had compatibility issues with different manufacturers' MFDs 
when designing the radio, so at the last minute they pulled support for 
obtaining position information via NMEA 2000. They have asked ICOM Japan for a 
firmware update to fix this, but none has been forthcoming.

So caveat emptor. I would still recommend this radio, on the proviso that you 
are able to provide position info via NMEA 0183. Without it you will still get 
AIS on your plotter (but not the radio), but the radio will not be able to make 
GPS tagged DSC calls, which is obviously concerning.

It's advertised as a fully native NMEA 2000 device, but at this time it is not.

Jerry



-Original Message-
From: John McKay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: John McKay 
Sent: Tue, May 23, 2017 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20

I believe my network is set up properly. I have given Garmin a schematic of 
everything on it and they have not suggested changes.
I failed to say in my original question that I have a GMI 20 display right next 
(T's attached to each other) to the GNX 20 display and the GMI 20 works 
flawlessly. I have switched the two drop cables between the T's. Garmin cannot 
explain why the GNX 20 fails and the GMI 20 continues flawlessly.
Thanks for everyone's suggestions so far.
John


On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:29 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Is your N2K network properly terminated?  Another thing to check.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On May 23, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:
John –  Also check the voltage at the unit.  Pin-out of the cable is available 
online.  N2K circuits have limits to the number of devices and the power 
consumption of all devices, length of cable, etc.   Double check to make sure 
you’re inline.  N2k also has issues if multiple power supplies exist – just in 
case that accidently happened.   Others can probably provide more thoughts. 
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Looking at the photo of the underbody the new keel is longer and more vertical 
than the old shark fin type keel.  This would both increase and bring the 
center of lateral resistance forward and increase weather helm.   The small 
rudder cannot handle this.   Bringing the center of effort forward would help.  
This can be done by moving the mast forward on its step and decreasing rake.   
Moving the headstay forward, as suggested would also help.   Higher aspect main 
with more roach might help as well.   Jerry

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Thu, May 25, 2017 9:53 am
Subject: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 
39 trash project



Maybe more than it could be sold for but definitely not more than it is worth.  
Worth is measured in more than dollars and the reality is that to take any boat 
and make it as it should be can be many thousands or tens of thousands more 
than the purchase price.  The only difference as I see it is that spending 
$20,000 on regular maintenance on a newer $250,000 boat seems more normal than 
doing so on an older $40,000 boat.  They are both still sailboats and cost the 
same to run.
 
Lavishing attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself and some may 
suggest that it is more rewarding to some of us than doing the same to people!
 
Mike
Persistence
Also spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+ before that!)
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Jack 
Fitzgerald via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:08 AM
To: C&CList
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project
 

I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase in 1975 
and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up issued mention 
earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C&C sent me a new and updated 
deeper rudder "free of charge" and the boat just simply sailed even better. 
Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder designed and built for Honey and 
improvement was beyond belief. Sadly, the maintenance, new UK sails & general 
upkeep over the last 4 years costs more than the boat is worth. I can honestly 
say that our C&C 39 TM has aged like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her 
she just keeps getting better, I just wish that her value would increase as 
well.

 

I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C&C built and they built 
some damn good looking boats.

 






Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald

HONEY

US12788

 

 





 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest thing 
C&C ever madeJ
I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would 
solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet cut 
off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that extent at all.
 
Joe
Coquina
 


 



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Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Check for a firmware update for the radio.   Jerry

 

-Original Message-
From: John McKay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: John McKay 
Sent: Thu, May 25, 2017 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506



I originated this issue.


Remove the ICOM radio from my network and the GNX 20 displays  functions. Left 
it running for two days and went out for a sail.


We found some date on line that some N2K compliant radios are not fully 
compatible.


Now have to come up with something so the DSC function on my ICOM works.


Thanks for all your comments


John on Enterprise
C&C 33 MK II
Komoka ON
 



 
 
 
 On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:03 AM, Dave via CnC-List  
wrote:

  

 

Agreed with Paul - my n2k/AIS ICOM m506 displays GPS data from the n2k Garmin 
antenna reliably.  In fact an alarm goes off to warn me of no gps data if I 
turn off the instruments but not the gps.  


Similarly, the ais data provided by the M506 displays on The Raymarine i70 
display.  So, it works both ways.


This worked all last season as well, so if there was an issue it predates late 
2015/2016.  (Radio purchased Jan 2016) 


What does not work is getting the AIS data to via gateway to devices outside 
the wired n2k network.   Working on that.


Dave




Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2017, at 5:29 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:







Not sure this is still the case ... I just installed an icom 506 AIS/ N2K 
radio, and it and my ray N2K MFD they recognized each other and the radio got 
the gps info right away, and the AIS info was showing on the MFD once the 
antenna was connected. There are no 0183 devices left on Perception. 


Get Outlook for iOS

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jerome Tauber via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:56:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20
 

>From a cruising forum.

So my partner contacted ICOM UK, who said that despite what is printed in the 
manual,the Icom M506 does not support obtaining a GPS position over NMEA 2000. 
The menu option to select an NMEA 2000 GPS source does nothing.

Apparently they had compatibility issues with different manufacturers' MFDs 
when designing the radio, so at the last minute they pulled support for 
obtaining position information via NMEA 2000. They have asked ICOM Japan for a 
firmware update to fix this, but none has been forthcoming.

So caveat emptor. I would still recommend this radio, on the proviso that you 
are able to provide position info via NMEA 0183. Without it you will still get 
AIS on your plotter (but not the radio), but the radio will not be able to make 
GPS tagged DSC calls, which is obviously concerning.

It's advertised as a fully native NMEA 2000 device, but at this time it is not.

Jerry







-Original Message-
From: John McKay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: John McKay 
Sent: Tue, May 23, 2017 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20



I believe my network is set up properly. I have given Garmin a schematic of 
everything on it and they have not suggested changes.


I failed to say in my original question that I have a GMI 20 display right next 
(T's attached to each other) to the GNX 20 display and the GMI 20 works 
flawlessly. I have switched the two drop cables between the T's. Garmin cannot 
explain why the GNX 20 fails and the GMI 20 continues flawlessly.


Thanks for everyone's suggestions so far.


John







On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:29 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:





Is your N2K network properly terminated?  Another thing to check.






Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI







On May 23, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:



John – 
 
Also check the voltage at the unit.  Pin-out of the cable is available online.  
N2K circuits have limits to the number of devices and the power consumption of 
all devices, length of cable, etc.   Double check to make sure you’re inline.  
N2k also has issues if multiple power supplies exist – just in case that 
accidently happened.  
 
Others can probably provide more thoughts. 




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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 Top-O-the_Mast

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Hi,

I did that just a few months ago! You're right that you need to be careful
about twisting the cover plate because it can shear off. I broke one that
way but fixed it by just drilling the cover plate back on to the mast. You
can read my blog posts about it here (search for sheaves):
https://svviolethour.com/2017/01/07/rerig-part-2-pulling-the-mast/
https://svviolethour.com/2017/01/16/rerig-part-3-now-the-projects-really-begin/
And see the beautiful sheaves I got from Zephyrworks at the end of this
post:
https://svviolethour.com/2017/01/29/rerig-part-4-stuck-navtec-u-bolt-chainplates/

tldr: for a really stuck sheave pin, drilling a punch hole from the
opposing end was the way to go. I only made a small hole (1/4"?) and filled
it with 4200 after to prevent water ingress.

-Patrick
1984 C&C LF 38
Seattle, WA

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 5:30 AM,  wrote:

> From: Cleverboy 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:21:53 +
> Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 Top-O-the_Mast
>
> I'm having a problem with replacing the sheaves at the of of my C&C 30
> mast. The axles don't go all the way through so they can't be pushed out.
> They are held in place with an attached cover piece over one end. I got it
> to move a little but was afraid of destroying the cover piece and totally
> ruining the axle. Tried PB Blaster to move things along. I was thinking of
> drilling a hole opposite and pushing out the axle. How have others handled
> this?
>
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Stus-List The beauty of theC&C 39

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The discussions here on the beauty of the C&C 39 might be taken as the self
congratulatory preening of smug owners were not the facts on their side.
While I'm particularly partial to the 40, I agree that the 39 is floating
art. I sailed on a 39 called Pachena in the 70s and fell in love with the
boat right then and there.

While looking for a cruising boat, I lusted after a 39, but the layout
didn't suit my wife and I. But I did have a couple of chats with Bob Perry
about the 39. If you think the 39 owners on the list are smitten with their
boats, you should hear what one of the best yacht designers in the world
has to say about them and the way they look. It's like listening to an
expert talk about his favorite wine!

Congrats to all who are lucky enough to own one of these gems! And to all
the rest of us, too. It's remarkable how lovely our boats are compared to
the competition, whether contemporary or modern. When I was a lad, the
Catalina 27 was a direct competitor to the C&C 27 (like my dad owned), but
there was no comparison in looks or quality. Nowadays, when I sail
Peregrine home to Newport from Cutty Hunk, I am generally close hauled with
the sheets eased just a bit and laying my mark with no problem as I watch
modern slide to leeward and eventually give up and turn on the engine to
motor the rest of the way. And they look ugly while they do it!

Happy sailing
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

-- 
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260
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Re: Stus-List The beauty of theC&C 39

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I don’t even own a 39 and I started it ☺
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:51 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List The beauty of theC&C 39

The discussions here on the beauty of the C&C 39 might be taken as the self 
congratulatory preening of smug owners were not the facts on their side. While 
I'm particularly partial to the 40, I agree that the 39 is floating art. I 
sailed on a 39 called Pachena in the 70s and fell in love with the boat right 
then and there.

While looking for a cruising boat, I lusted after a 39, but the layout didn't 
suit my wife and I. But I did have a couple of chats with Bob Perry about the 
39. If you think the 39 owners on the list are smitten with their boats, you 
should hear what one of the best yacht designers in the world has to say about 
them and the way they look. It's like listening to an expert talk about his 
favorite wine!
Congrats to all who are lucky enough to own one of these gems! And to all the 
rest of us, too. It's remarkable how lovely our boats are compared to the 
competition, whether contemporary or modern. When I was a lad, the Catalina 27 
was a direct competitor to the C&C 27 (like my dad owned), but there was no 
comparison in looks or quality. Nowadays, when I sail Peregrine home to Newport 
from Cutty Hunk, I am generally close hauled with the sheets eased just a bit 
and laying my mark with no problem as I watch modern slide to leeward and 
eventually give up and turn on the engine to motor the rest of the way. And 
they look ugly while they do it!
Happy sailing
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

--
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260
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Re: Stus-List Replacement handles for Lewmar D2 clutches

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I had a different problem with a D2 clutch.  One of my crew stepped on the
(aluminum) handle, and broke the two sides of the clutch.  I just ordered
new sides, and they were shipped the next day.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Not related. Sound Marine Diesel is Joe Demers, who is one of the better
> marine mechanics you will find anywhere.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 5/25/2017 12:44 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I think that was a different person/business, Sound Marine Diesel.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 24 May 2017 at 12:21, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Wasn't he on this list years ago?
>>
>> Dennis C
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 24, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Based on stories I have read, I wouldn't deal with Sound Boatworks, but
>> YMMV.
>> http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/162237-sou
>> nd-boatworks/#comment-4757147
>> 
>>
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C&C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>>
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Mike I am discovering the things you write about - "make it as it should be", 
"lavishing attention on our boats", etc. My wife has noticed that last one too 
:) I've been using the excuse "I'm just doing what the boat deserves"! 

How does that joke go again? A psychiatrist told a patient that men have boats 
because they can't have mistresses, but the psychiatrist got it backwards. Men 
have mistresses when they can't have boats :) 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Mike via CnC-List Hoyt"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Mike Hoyt"  
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:52:07 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 
39 trash project 



Maybe more than it could be sold for but definitely not more than it is worth. 
Worth is measured in more than dollars and the reality is that to take any boat 
and make it as it should be can be many thousands or tens of thousands more 
than the purchase price. The only difference as I see it is that spending 
$20,000 on regular maintenance on a newer $250,000 boat seems more normal than 
doing so on an older $40,000 boat. They are both still sailboats and cost the 
same to run. 



Lavishing attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself and some may 
suggest that it is more rewarding to some of us than doing the same to people! 



Mike 

Persistence 

Also spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+ before that!) 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack 
Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:08 AM 
To: C&CList 
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project 




I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase in 1975 
and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up issued mention 
earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C&C sent me a new and updated 
deeper rudder "free of charge" and the boat just simply sailed even better. 
Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder designed and built for Honey and 
improvement was beyond belief. Sadly, the maintenance, new UK sails & general 
upkeep over the last 4 years costs more than the boat is worth. I can honestly 
say that our C&C 39 TM has aged like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her 
she just keeps getting better, I just wish that her value would increase as 
well. 





I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C&C built and they built 
some damn good looking boats. 





Best regards, 
Jack Fitzgerald 


HONEY 


US12788 











On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest thing 
C&C ever made J 

I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would 
solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet cut 
off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that extent at all. 



Joe 

Coquina 






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Re: Stus-List The beauty of theC&C 39

[David via CnC-List]

Go the 40!!!



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Date: 5/25/17 10:52 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List The beauty of theC&C 39

The discussions here on the beauty of the C&C 39 might be taken as the self 
congratulatory preening of smug owners were not the facts on their side. While 
I'm particularly partial to the 40, I agree that the 39 is floating art. I 
sailed on a 39 called Pachena in the 70s and fell in love with the boat right 
then and there.

While looking for a cruising boat, I lusted after a 39, but the layout didn't 
suit my wife and I. But I did have a couple of chats with Bob Perry about the 
39. If you think the 39 owners on the list are smitten with their boats, you 
should hear what one of the best yacht designers in the world has to say about 
them and the way they look. It's like listening to an expert talk about his 
favorite wine!

Congrats to all who are lucky enough to own one of these gems! And to all the 
rest of us, too. It's remarkable how lovely our boats are compared to the 
competition, whether contemporary or modern. When I was a lad, the Catalina 27 
was a direct competitor to the C&C 27 (like my dad owned), but there was no 
comparison in looks or quality. Nowadays, when I sail Peregrine home to Newport 
from Cutty Hunk, I am generally close hauled with the sheets eased just a bit 
and laying my mark with no problem as I watch modern slide to leeward and 
eventually give up and turn on the engine to motor the rest of the way. And 
they look ugly while they do it!

Happy sailing
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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Newport, RI
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Re: Stus-List The beauty of theC&C 39

[RANDY via CnC-List]

All this got me curious so I looked and have to agree, the 39 is beautiful. A 
while back I read Yacht Design According to Perry to learn the concepts and 
vocabulary, but I lack the words and experience to articulate why the 39 is so 
beautiful. The review on cncphotoalbum does justice ( 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review39.htm ). Apparently only 48 built, 
starting 1971 ending 1974 according to sailboatdata.com. 

Speaking of Catalina 27s, whooped 'em again last night :) The entire fleet was 
trying to barge the committee boat end of the starting line, and I was lucky 
enough to be in the right place at the right time to push 'em all above the RC 
boat :) Last week Grenadine beat the Catalina 27s by 2.5-3.5 minutes in a 
26-minute race in 20mph winds, and their skippers and crews are much more 
experienced sailors than me and my crew! 

I am glad to have a boat with some character and distinction and quality and 
performance even if she is an older gal. I learned to sail from an old Canadian 
salt ( https://www.victoriasailingschool.com/index.php/home/ownership ) who has 
a J/30, and when I asked him about potentially buying a C&C he said "they build 
a good boat". 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Andrew Burton via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Andrew Burton"  
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:51:11 AM 
Subject: Stus-List The beauty of theC&C 39 

The discussions here on the beauty of the C&C 39 might be taken as the self 
congratulatory preening of smug owners were not the facts on their side. While 
I'm particularly partial to the 40, I agree that the 39 is floating art. I 
sailed on a 39 called Pachena in the 70s and fell in love with the boat right 
then and there. 

While looking for a cruising boat, I lusted after a 39, but the layout didn't 
suit my wife and I. But I did have a couple of chats with Bob Perry about the 
39. If you think the 39 owners on the list are smitten with their boats, you 
should hear what one of the best yacht designers in the world has to say about 
them and the way they look. It's like listening to an expert talk about his 
favorite wine! 

Congrats to all who are lucky enough to own one of these gems! And to all the 
rest of us, too. It's remarkable how lovely our boats are compared to the 
competition, whether contemporary or modern. When I was a lad, the Catalina 27 
was a direct competitor to the C&C 27 (like my dad owned), but there was no 
comparison in looks or quality. Nowadays, when I sail Peregrine home to Newport 
from Cutty Hunk, I am generally close hauled with the sheets eased just a bit 
and laying my mark with no problem as I watch modern slide to leeward and 
eventually give up and turn on the engine to motor the rest of the way. And 
they look ugly while they do it! 

Happy sailing 
Andy 
C&C 40 
Peregrine 

-- 
Andrew Burton 
61 W Narragansett Ave 
Newport, RI 
USA 02840 
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
phone +401 965 5260 

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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Isn't a boat like a mistress?  


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 Significant 
Other LF39. 
 Original message From: RANDY via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/25/17  08:59  (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list 
 Cc: RANDY  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project 
Mike I am discovering the things you write about - "make it as it should be", 
"lavishing attention on our boats", etc.  My wife has noticed that last one too 
:)  I've been using the excuse "I'm just doing what the boat deserves"!

How does that joke go again?  A psychiatrist told a patient that men have boats 
because they can't have mistresses, but the psychiatrist got it backwards.  Men 
have mistresses when they can't have boats :)
Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
From: "Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" 
To: "cnc-list" 
Cc: "Mike Hoyt" 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:52:07 AM
Subject: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 
39 trash project









Maybe more than it could be sold for but definitely not more than it is worth.  
Worth is measured in more than dollars and the reality is that to take any boat
 and make it as it should be can be many thousands or tens of thousands more 
than the purchase price.  The only difference as I see it is that spending 
$20,000 on regular maintenance on a newer $250,000 boat seems more normal than 
doing so on an older $40,000
 boat.  They are both still sailboats and cost the same to run.
 
Lavishing attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself and some may 
suggest that it is more rewarding to some of us than doing the same to people!
 
Mike
Persistence
Also spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+ before that!)
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:08 AM

To: C&CList

Cc: Jack Fitzgerald

Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project
 

I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase in 1975 
and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up issued mention 
earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C&C sent me a new and updated 
deeper
 rudder "free of charge" and the boat just simply sailed even better. Then in 
2002, I had new high aspect rudder designed and built for Honey and improvement 
was beyond belief. Sadly, the maintenance, new UK sails & general upkeep over 
the last 4 years costs
 more than the boat is worth. I can honestly say that our C&C 39 TM has aged 
like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her she just keeps getting better, I 
just wish that her value would increase as well.

 


I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C&C built and they built 
some damn good looking boats.

 











Best regards,

Jack Fitzgerald


HONEY


US12788

 


 










 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:


The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest thing 
C&C ever made
J
I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would 
solve the roundup issue.
 My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet cut off and we don’t suffer 
that round-up issue to that extent at all.
 
Joe
Coquina
 



 







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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

No.  Boats talk to you and let you know when there's "something wrong".  A
sound, a ticking, a rubbung noise, a leak; something always tells you
there's an issue.

Dennis C.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:05 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Isn't a boat like a mistress?
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
> POYC
> Pegasus
> Lf38
> Significant Other
> LF39.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

If my mistress starts leaking or ticking, I think there might be an issue as 
well. Just sayin

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:03 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was 
C&C 39 trash project

No.  Boats talk to you and let you know when there's "something wrong".  A 
sound, a ticking, a rubbung noise, a leak; something always tells you there's 
an issue.

Dennis C.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:05 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Isn't a boat like a mistress?



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy
POYC
Pegasus
Lf38
Significant Other
LF39.


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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

How true. Given the chance they will take care of you when times are rough, but 
if you lead them astray a boat can leave you high and dry. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 
 Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
 Date: 5/25/17  11:02  (GMT-08:00) To: CnClist 
 Cc: "Dennis C."  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project 
No.  Boats talk to you and let you know when there's "something wrong".  A 
sound, a ticking, a rubbung noise, a leak; something always tells you there's 
an issue.
Dennis C.
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:05 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Isn't a boat like a mistress?  


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 Significant 
Other LF39. 


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Stus-List Cruising World -- Review of the C&C 40

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

http://www.cruisingworld.com/cc-40?cmpid=enews052517&spPodID=030&spMailingID=29147600&spUserID=MTg0MTYyNjI5OTMS1&spJobID=1043391333&spReportId=MTA0MzM5MTMzMwS2
 

 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











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Re: Stus-List Cruising World -- Review of the C&C 40

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Thanks, Edd,
I hadn't seen that yet. I wish I'd given them a better pic to use.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> http://www.cruisingworld.com/cc-40?cmpid=enews052517&;
> spPodID=030&spMailingID=29147600&spUserID=MTg0MTYyNjI5OTMS1&spJobID=
> 1043391333&spReportId=MTA0MzM5MTMzMwS2
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Hmmm… that sounds just the opposite of a mistress…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On May 25, 2017, at 1:37 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> How true. Given the chance they will take care of you when times are rough, 
> but if you lead them astray a boat can leave you high and dry. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus 
> Lf38 

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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Paul E via CnC-List]

It is a good idea to have a mistress.  

That way the wife thinks that you are out with the mistress, 
and the mistress will think that you are out with the wife, 
while you are on the boat working(or not).

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Ft Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On May 25, 2017, at 3:23 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:03 PM
> To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! 
> Was C&C 39 trash project
> 
> No.  Boats talk to you and let you know when there's "something wrong".  A 
> sound, a ticking, a rubbung noise, a leak; something always tells you there's 
> an issue.
> 
> Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List Cruising World -- Review of the C&C 40

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Andy,

There must have been several interior layouts in the late 70’s.  I sailed on a 
1978 40’ (Zoomer) with a standard rig and keel and the galley was to starboard 
and Nav Station was on the port side.  There were a plethora of winches 
however, both on the coach roof (fore and aft) and the cockpit.  We had big 3 
speed Lewmar primaries to handle a 150 % but boy did that boat go upwind with 
the big jib!

Nice to see CW still covering the “classic plastic” boats we all know and love 
and the article was a fun read.

Best,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising World -- Review of the C&C 40

 

Thanks, Edd,

I hadn't seen that yet. I wish I'd given them a better pic to use.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

http://www.cruisingworld.com/cc-40?cmpid=enews052517 

 
&spPodID=030&spMailingID=29147600&spUserID=MTg0MTYyNjI5OTMS1&spJobID=1043391333&spReportId=MTA0MzM5MTMzMwS2
 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 







 





 


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Stus-List LED lights

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Looking for specifics on purchase of LED lights for a Venetian night boat 
parade...
Make, model and where to purchase appreciated.  I do not want a generator 
onboard.
Bill Walker
Cnc 36
Pentwater, Mi.

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Re: Stus-List LED lights

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Bill,

You can buy strands of 110v LED Christmas lights (either all white or multi 
colored)  that would work with a small inverter given the very low current 
draw.   You may wind up paying $20 for a 50’ strand and another $50 for the 
light duty inverter if you only have 12v power on board..  Do you run your 
engine in a Venetian Night Boat parade?  If so, there’s your electrical source..

Otherwise, are you looking to upgrade your navigation lights to LED??  Not 
knowing what is involved in a Venetian night boat parade, I can’t really offer 
any other suggestions..

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA 

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Cc: wwadjo...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List LED lights

 

Looking for specifics on purchase of LED lights for a Venetian night boat 
parade...
Make, model and where to purchase appreciated.  I do not want a generator 
onboard.
Bill Walker
Cnc 36
Pentwater, Mi.

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Stus-List Unique 3 way wire connector

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Had a situation where I wanted to connect two wires twisted and soldered
together with two smaller individual wires.  The individual wires could use
a 14-16 connector but the twisted wires needed a 10-12 connector.

 Aha!  I grabbed two 14-16 #10 ring connectors and a 10-12 #10 ring
connector and riveted them together with a 3/16 inch 1/4 inch grip aluminum
rivet.  Everything got smeared with TefGel since the rivet wasn't tinned
marine grade.  Voila, a 3 way connector with two 14-16 connectors and one
10-12 connector.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseWVpb0h0WUVvVnc

Yeah, I could have used a couple of 10-12 butt connectors and twisted wires
together and folded wires over but that's not how we roll on Touche'.
Could have also used a piggy back quick disconnect.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

You have it because you love it…

It WILL take all your money…

And it might as well be pretty.

 

Yup. Sounds like a mistress to me.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 1:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was 
C&C 39 trash project

 

Isn't a boat like a mistress?  

 

 

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

Doug Mountjoy 

POYC 

Pegasus 

Lf38 

Significant Other 

LF39. 

 

 Original message 

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> 

Date: 5/25/17 08:59 (GMT-08:00) 

To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Cc: RANDY mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net> > 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was 
C&C 39 trash project 

 

Mike I am discovering the things you write about - "make it as it should be", 
"lavishing attention on our boats", etc.  My wife has noticed that last one too 
:)  I've been using the excuse "I'm just doing what the boat deserves"!

 

How does that joke go again?  A psychiatrist told a patient that men have boats 
because they can't have mistresses, but the psychiatrist got it backwards.  Men 
have mistresses when they can't have boats :)

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

  _  

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To: "cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: "Mike Hoyt" mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:52:07 AM
Subject: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 
39 trash project

 

Maybe more than it could be sold for but definitely not more than it is worth.  
Worth is measured in more than dollars and the reality is that to take any boat 
and make it as it should be can be many thousands or tens of thousands more 
than the purchase price.  The only difference as I see it is that spending 
$20,000 on regular maintenance on a newer $250,000 boat seems more normal than 
doing so on an older $40,000 boat.  They are both still sailboats and cost the 
same to run.

 

Lavishing attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself and some may 
suggest that it is more rewarding to some of us than doing the same to people!

 

Mike

Persistence

Also spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+ before that!)

 

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Cc: Jack Fitzgerald
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash 
project

 

I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase in 1975 
and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up issued mention 
earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C&C sent me a new and updated 
deeper rudder "free of charge" and the boat just simply sailed even better. 
Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder designed and built for Honey and 
improvement was beyond belief. Sadly, the maintenance, new UK sails & general 
upkeep over the last 4 years costs more than the boat is worth. I can honestly 
say that our C&C 39 TM has aged like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her 
she just keeps getting better, I just wish that her value would increase as 
well.

 

I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C&C built and they built 
some damn good looking boats.

 

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald

HONEY

US12788

 

 

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the prettiest thing 
C&C ever made :)

I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot would 
solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a few feet cut 
off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that extent at all.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Unique 3 way wire connector

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

  Dennis,You really need to get out more!sam :-)From: Dennis C. via CnC-ListSent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:05 PMTo: CnClistReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Dennis C.Subject: Stus-List Unique 3 way wire connectorHad a situation where I wanted to connect two wires twisted and soldered together with two smaller individual wires.  The individual wires could use a 14-16 connector but the twisted wires needed a 10-12 connector. Aha!  I grabbed two 14-16 #10 ring connectors and a 10-12 #10 ring connector and riveted them together with a 3/16 inch 1/4 inch grip aluminum rivet.  Everything got smeared with TefGel since the rivet wasn't tinned marine grade.  Voila, a 3 way connector with two 14-16 connectors and one 10-12 connector.https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseWVpb0h0WUVvVncYeah, I could have used a couple of 10-12 butt connectors and twisted wires together and folded wires over but that's not how we roll on Touche'.  Could have also used a piggy back quick disconnect.Dennis C.


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Re: Stus-List Unique 3 way wire connector

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Why not splice, solder and hearshrink?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Had a situation where I wanted to connect two wires twisted and soldered 
> together with two smaller individual wires.  The individual wires could use a 
> 14-16 connector but the twisted wires needed a 10-12 connector.
> 
>  Aha!  I grabbed two 14-16 #10 ring connectors and a 10-12 #10 ring connector 
> and riveted them together with a 3/16 inch 1/4 inch grip aluminum rivet.  
> Everything got smeared with TefGel since the rivet wasn't tinned marine 
> grade.  Voila, a 3 way connector with two 14-16 connectors and one 10-12 
> connector.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseWVpb0h0WUVvVnc
> 
> Yeah, I could have used a couple of 10-12 butt connectors and twisted wires 
> together and folded wires over but that's not how we roll on Touche'.  Could 
> have also used a piggy back quick disconnect.
> 
> Dennis C.
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Stus-List Homemade cable stress relief

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Not talking moonshine here but the stress relief to keep wires from
breaking.  Some of you may have a similar issue with some item on your
boat.  Possibly where insulation on a cable breaks and exposes the wires
inside.  VHF microphone cable maybe?

I installed a Nexus instrument system on Touche' in 1999.  I remove the
knot log transducer if the boat is idle for some time.  After a couple
years of constant handling, the knot log transducer got a bit flakey.  A
Nexus tech (who now works for Garmin) told me one of the wires in the cable
where it exits the transducer most likely broken and was making
intermittent contact.  He said it was because the cable was subject to
sharp bending at that point.  He told me how to modify the new one to add
stress relief and prevent recurrence.

Well, that fix lasted many years but during the transit to Pensacola a few
weeks ago, it acted up again.  I surmised the same problem had occurred.
My fix may not have been robust enough.  I used electrical tape to
stabilize the cable and it worked fine for the remainder of the trip adding
credence to my diagnosis.

I received the new cable today and added beefed up stress relief as before.


Here's the fix with pics.

First, the transducer as received.  Note that the cable is epoxied into the
transducer but a small well remains.  There is no stress relief.  The cable
is subject to sharp bending where it exits the epoxy.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsaUlBUl9pY0xaV0k

First, I applied several layers of heat shrink.  Note that I tapered the
layers.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsbURlWkhPdldwYWs

Next, I stood the transducer in a jar, taped it and filled the well with
unthickened epoxy thus locking the heat shrink in place.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsUTdQdi1KSm9XQjQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsZnI2OGQzak1SSEE

Finally I removed the tape.  Final product:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseEtLTGpKS04xT0E

The heat shrink should now prevent sharp bending of the cable where it
exits the transducer.  (My previous fix only used one layer of heat shrink.)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List stress relief / thanks all

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi All,

I’d like to take a moment to thank Dennis, and consider nominating him for a 
Wally Award.  Every year we have folks who go just a little further, ok some 
say over the top, but really, they just want to figure out a way to do a good 
job, just a little better.

I came into this list when Wally and Jim were the pillars, folks you could 
count on for real help, and a good example of how to do a boat project well.  
While Wally is off cruising in Mexico and Jim semi-retired, folks like Dennis 
have stepped up to make this list the great list it is for the rest of us.  

We owe them a big thanks for keeping the Wally story going. . .

OK, Yes, I missed a lot of good folks, this was just a good example this week. 
Please no flames. . .

Thanks, Lee


> On May 25, 2017, at 5:33 10PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Not talking moonshine here but the stress relief to keep wires from breaking. 
>  Some of you may have a similar issue with some item on your boat.  Possibly 
> where insulation on a cable breaks and exposes the wires inside.  VHF 
> microphone cable maybe?
> 
> I installed a Nexus instrument system on Touche' in 1999.  I remove the knot 
> log transducer if the boat is idle for some time.  After a couple years of 
> constant handling, the knot log transducer got a bit flakey.  A Nexus tech 
> (who now works for Garmin) told me one of the wires in the cable where it 
> exits the transducer most likely broken and was making intermittent contact.  
> He said it was because the cable was subject to sharp bending at that point.  
> He told me how to modify the new one to add stress relief and prevent 
> recurrence.  
> 
> Well, that fix lasted many years but during the transit to Pensacola a few 
> weeks ago, it acted up again.  I surmised the same problem had occurred.  My 
> fix may not have been robust enough.  I used electrical tape to stabilize the 
> cable and it worked fine for the remainder of the trip adding credence to my 
> diagnosis.
> 
> I received the new cable today and added beefed up stress relief as before.  
> 
> Here's the fix with pics.
> 
> First, the transducer as received.  Note that the cable is epoxied into the 
> transducer but a small well remains.  There is no stress relief.  The cable 
> is subject to sharp bending where it exits the epoxy.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsaUlBUl9pY0xaV0k 
> 
> 
> First, I applied several layers of heat shrink.  Note that I tapered the 
> layers.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsbURlWkhPdldwYWs 
> 
> 
> Next, I stood the transducer in a jar, taped it and filled the well with 
> unthickened epoxy thus locking the heat shrink in place.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsUTdQdi1KSm9XQjQ 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsZnI2OGQzak1SSEE 
> 
> 
> Finally I removed the tape.  Final product:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseEtLTGpKS04xT0E 
> 
> 
> The heat shrink should now prevent sharp bending of the cable where it exits 
> the transducer.  (My previous fix only used one layer of heat shrink.)
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Doug,

 

A boat is very much like a mistress.

 

I buy her a place to stay (a slip).

I buy her stuff I don’t tell my wife about (electronics and sailing goodies).

I sneak away to spend time with her.

I tell her she’s special and there is no one like her.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA



 

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 13:05
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was 
C&C 39 trash project

 

Isn't a boat like a mistress?  

 

 

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

Doug Mountjoy 

POYC 

Pegasus 

Lf38 

Significant Other 

LF39. 

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Re: Stus-List Unique 3 way wire connector

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Dennis,

I like it!  Have had to deal with similar situations and really like your 
solution.  I'd probably go even further and coat the center on both sides with 
liquid electrical tape.

Kindest Regards,

Bruce
847.404.5092

Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone.

> On May 25, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Had a situation where I wanted to connect two wires twisted and soldered 
> together with two smaller individual wires.  The individual wires could use a 
> 14-16 connector but the twisted wires needed a 10-12 connector.
> 
>  Aha!  I grabbed two 14-16 #10 ring connectors and a 10-12 #10 ring connector 
> and riveted them together with a 3/16 inch 1/4 inch grip aluminum rivet.  
> Everything got smeared with TefGel since the rivet wasn't tinned marine 
> grade.  Voila, a 3 way connector with two 14-16 connectors and one 10-12 
> connector.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseWVpb0h0WUVvVnc
> 
> Yeah, I could have used a couple of 10-12 butt connectors and twisted wires 
> together and folded wires over but that's not how we roll on Touche'.  Could 
> have also used a piggy back quick disconnect.
> 
> Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Is it fitting that the new boat is named Significant Other? Me not being 
married. Just asking. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 Significant 
Other LF39
 Original message From: Jake Brodersen  
Date: 5/25/17  18:35  (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: 'svpegasus38' 
 Subject: RE: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that 
has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project 
Doug, A boat is very much like a mistress. I buy her a place to stay (a slip).I 
buy her stuff I don’t tell my wife about (electronics and sailing goodies).I 
sneak away to spend time with her.I tell her she’s special and there is no one 
like her. Jake Jake BrodersenC&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”Hampton VA
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was 
C&C 39 trash project Isn't a boat like a mistress? Sent from my T-Mobile 4G 
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[james via CnC-List]

No, boats cost more! Especially the sexy ones..

James

Delaney

1976 C&C38

Oriental, NC


On 5/25/2017 1:05 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List wrote:

Isn't a boat like a mistress?



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy
POYC
Pegasus
Lf38
Significant Other
LF39.

 Original message 
From: RANDY via CnC-List 
Date: 5/25/17 08:59 (GMT-08:00)
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project


Mike I am discovering the things you write about - "make it as it 
should be", "lavishing attention on our boats", etc.  My wife has 
noticed that last one too :)  I've been using the excuse "I'm just 
doing what the boat deserves"!


How does that joke go again?  A psychiatrist told a patient that men 
have boats because they can't have mistresses, but the psychiatrist 
got it backwards.  Men have mistresses when they can't have boats :)


Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


*From: *"Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" 
*To: *"cnc-list" 
*Cc: *"Mike Hoyt" 
*Sent: *Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:52:07 AM
*Subject: *Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project


Maybe more than it could be sold for but definitely not more than it 
is worth.  Worth is measured in more than dollars and the reality is 
that to take any boat and make it as it should be can be many 
thousands or tens of thousands more than the purchase price.  The only 
difference as I see it is that spending $20,000 on regular maintenance 
on a newer $250,000 boat seems more normal than doing so on an older 
$40,000 boat.  They are both still sailboats and cost the same to run.


Lavishing attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself and 
some may suggest that it is more rewarding to some of us than doing 
the same to people!


Mike

Persistence

Also spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+ before that!)

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:08 AM
*To:* C&CList
*Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 
39 trash project


I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase 
in 1975 and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up 
issued mention earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C&C sent 
me a new and updated deeper rudder "free of charge" and the boat just 
simply sailed even better. Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder 
designed and built for Honey and improvement was beyond belief. Sadly, 
the maintenance, new UK sails & general upkeep over the last 4 years 
costs more than the boat is worth. I can honestly say that our C&C 39 
TM has aged like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her she just 
keeps getting better, I just wish that her value would increase as well.


I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C&C built and they 
built some damn good looking boats.


Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald

HONEY

US12788

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the 
prettiest thing C&C ever made J


I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot 
would solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a 
few feet cut off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that 
extent at all.


Joe

Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[james via CnC-List]

Doug, could you make the first word all caps and the second word all 
lower case?


James

Delaney

1976 C&C 38

Oriental NC



On 5/25/2017 10:22 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List wrote:
Is it fitting that the new boat is named Significant Other? Me not 
being married.

Just asking.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy
POYC
Pegasus
Lf38
Significant Other
LF39

 Original message 
From: Jake Brodersen 
Date: 5/25/17 18:35 (GMT-08:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 'svpegasus38' 
Subject: RE: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project


Doug,

A boat is very much like a mistress.

I buy her a place to stay (a slip).

I buy her stuff I don’t tell my wife about (electronics and sailing 
goodies).


I sneak away to spend time with her.

I tell her she’s special and there is no one like her.

Jake

*Jake Brodersen*

*C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*

*Hampton VA*

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*svpegasus38 via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 13:05
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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project


Isn't a boat like a mistress?

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Doug Mountjoy

POYC

Pegasus

Lf38

Significant Other

LF39.



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Re: Stus-List stress relief / thanks all

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 I'll second that motion...all in favor may vote by buying Dennis a new hat

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 593 (again)

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
To: CnC-List 
Cc: Lee Youngblood 
Sent: Thu, May 25, 2017 9:11 pm
Subject: Stus-List stress relief / thanks all


Hi All,


I’d like to take a moment to thank Dennis, and consider nominating him for a 
Wally Award.  Every year we have folks who go just a little further, ok some 
say over the top, but really, they just want to figure out a way to do a good 
job, just a little better.


I came into this list when Wally and Jim were the pillars, folks you could 
count on for real help, and a good example of how to do a boat project well.  
While Wally is off cruising in Mexico and Jim semi-retired, folks like Dennis 
have stepped up to make this list the great list it is for the rest of us.  


We owe them a big thanks for keeping the Wally story going. . .


OK, Yes, I missed a lot of good folks, this was just a good example this week. 
Please no flames. . .


Thanks, Lee





On May 25, 2017, at 5:33 10PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:


Not talking moonshine here but the stress relief to keep wires from breaking.  
Some of you may have a similar issue with some item on your boat.  Possibly 
where insulation on a cable breaks and exposes the wires inside.  VHF 
microphone cable maybe?


I installed a Nexus instrument system on Touche' in 1999.  I remove the knot 
log transducer if the boat is idle for some time.  After a couple years of 
constant handling, the knot log transducer got a bit flakey.  A Nexus tech (who 
now works for Garmin) told me one of the wires in the cable where it exits the 
transducer most likely broken and was making intermittent contact.  He said it 
was because the cable was subject to sharp bending at that point.  He told me 
how to modify the new one to add stress relief and prevent recurrence.  


Well, that fix lasted many years but during the transit to Pensacola a few 
weeks ago, it acted up again.  I surmised the same problem had occurred.  My 
fix may not have been robust enough.  I used electrical tape to stabilize the 
cable and it worked fine for the remainder of the trip adding credence to my 
diagnosis.


I received the new cable today and added beefed up stress relief as before.  


Here's the fix with pics.


First, the transducer as received.  Note that the cable is epoxied into the 
transducer but a small well remains.  There is no stress relief.  The cable is 
subject to sharp bending where it exits the epoxy.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsaUlBUl9pY0xaV0k



First, I applied several layers of heat shrink.  Note that I tapered the layers.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsbURlWkhPdldwYWs



Next, I stood the transducer in a jar, taped it and filled the well with 
unthickened epoxy thus locking the heat shrink in place.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsUTdQdi1KSm9XQjQ

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsZnI2OGQzak1SSEE



Finally I removed the tape.  Final product:


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseEtLTGpKS04xT0E



The heat shrink should now prevent sharp bending of the cable where it exits 
the transducer.  (My previous fix only used one layer of heat shrink.)


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA








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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Not if its a mistress.JimSEA YA!C $C 38 LFWashington nc 


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 Original message From: james via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/25/17  11:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: james  Subject: Re: Stus-List 
Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project 

No, boats cost more! Especially the sexy ones..


James
Delaney
1976 C&C38
Oriental, NC




On 5/25/2017 1:05 PM, svpegasus38 via
  CnC-List wrote:



  
  Isn't a boat like a mistress?  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

Sent from my T-Mobile
  4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy 
POYC 
Pegasus 
Lf38 
Significant Other 
LF39. 
  
  

  
  
 Original message 
From: RANDY via CnC-List  
Date: 5/25/17 08:59 (GMT-08:00) 
To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that
  has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project 



  
  
Mike I am discovering the things you write about - "make it
  as it should be", "lavishing attention on our boats", etc.  My
  wife has noticed that last one too :)  I've been using the
  excuse "I'm just doing what the boat deserves"!





How does that joke go again?  A psychiatrist told a patient
  that men have boats because they can't have mistresses, but
  the psychiatrist got it backwards.  Men have mistresses when
  they can't have boats :)



Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO




From:
  "Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" 

  To: "cnc-list" 

  Cc: "Mike Hoyt" 

  Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:52:07 AM

  Subject: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that
  has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

  

  
  
  
Maybe
more than it could be sold for but definitely not more
than it is worth.  Worth is measured in more than
dollars and the reality is that to take any boat and
make it as it should be can be many thousands or tens of
thousands more than the purchase price.  The only
difference as I see it is that spending $20,000 on
regular maintenance on a newer $250,000 boat seems more
normal than doing so on an older $40,000 boat.  They are
both still sailboats and cost the same to run.
 
Lavishing
attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself
and some may suggest that it is more rewarding to some
of us than doing the same to people!
 
Mike
Persistence
Also
spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+
before that!)
 
From:
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On Behalf Of Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:08 AM

To: C&CList

Cc: Jack Fitzgerald

Subject: Re: Stus-List A C&C 39 that has not
been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project
 

  I have sailed and raced my 39TM at
least 100,000 miles since purchase in 1975 and even with
the original rudder never suffered the round up issued
mention earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976
C&C sent me a new and updated deeper rudder "free of
charge" and the boat just simply sailed even better.
Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder designed and
built for Honey and improvement was beyond belief.
Sadly, the maintenance, new UK sails & general
upkeep over the last 4 years costs more than the boat is
worth. I can honestly say that our C&C 39 TM has
aged like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her she
just keeps getting better, I just wish that her value
would increase as well.
  
 
  
  
I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of
  the hulls that C&C built and they built some damn
  good looking boats.

   


  

  

  

 

Re: Stus-List Unique 3 way wire connector

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I do the same except I use a machine screw with a nylock to hold them
together, so if they ever have to come apart again...

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 25 May 2017 at 18:57, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> I like it!  Have had to deal with similar situations and really like your
> solution.  I'd probably go even further and coat the center on both sides
> with liquid electrical tape.
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Bruce
> 847.404.5092 <(847)%20404-5092>
>
> Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone.
>
> On May 25, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Had a situation where I wanted to connect two wires twisted and soldered
> together with two smaller individual wires.  The individual wires could use
> a 14-16 connector but the twisted wires needed a 10-12 connector.
>
>  Aha!  I grabbed two 14-16 #10 ring connectors and a 10-12 #10 ring
> connector and riveted them together with a 3/16 inch 1/4 inch grip aluminum
> rivet.  Everything got smeared with TefGel since the rivet wasn't tinned
> marine grade.  Voila, a 3 way connector with two 14-16 connectors and one
> 10-12 connector.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvseWVpb0h0WUVvVnc
>
> Yeah, I could have used a couple of 10-12 butt connectors and twisted
> wires together and folded wires over but that's not how we roll on
> Touche'.  Could have also used a piggy back quick disconnect.
>
> Dennis C.
>
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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C&C 39 trash project

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

That wasn't a joke; it's the absolute truth!RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL


  From: RANDY via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY 
 Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C&C 39 that has not been trashed! Was 
C&C 39 trash project
   
Mike I am discovering the things you write about - "make it as it should be", 
"lavishing attention on our boats", etc.  My wife has noticed that last one too 
:)  I've been using the excuse "I'm just doing what the boat deserves"!

How does that joke go again?  A psychiatrist told a patient that men have boats 
because they can't have mistresses, but the psychiatrist got it backwards.  Men 
have mistresses when they can't have boats :)
Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
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