Re: Stus-List Steaming light guard

[David via CnC-List]

Had it for 15 years on my 40...should be fine

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Rick Brass via 
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:13:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List Steaming light guard

I put one of these on the mast to protect the ML2 steaming/deck light when I 
rewired the mast on my 38 11 or 12 years ago. Never had a problem.

I thought that being under the spreaders and between the mast and shrouds was 
protection enough for the ML1 spreader lights. Wrong! So I bought two more of 
these to install over the spreader lights. No problems since.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC


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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rod Stright 
Subject: Stus-List Steaming light guard

Has anyone come up with a good design for a guard to protect your steaming 
light from damage caused by flailing halyards and headsails in strong winds.  I 
know Forespar makes one 
https://www.forespar.com/products/sail-light-guard.shtml but I am not sure that 
that design will do the job as it does not offer a lot of protection at the top 
of the light.

Thanks
Rod Stright
C&C 99



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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I did some research on that site.  It's run by "Rachel, from Credit Cards
Services".

Dennis C.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a bad feeling about this.  I think I’m going to regret posting that
> link...or at least Josh will.  Just don’t blame me!
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:48 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:47:32 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I just bought one.  I'll let you guys know how things turn out.  I opened a
> masked CC to pay.  I'm sure I've lost or wasted a lot more the $50 in my
> life.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

My card was masked card was charged immediately.

Josh

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 10:16 PM Rick Taillieu via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I used the card I have for online purchases that has a very low limit.
>
> So far nothing extra has been charged and it’s been 8 months.
>
> The site looked the same as this site.
>
>
>
> Rick Taillieu
>
> Boatless
>
> Leamington, Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* June-28-18 22:04
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat
>
>
>
> Well as they say, "There is no better teacher than that of experience."
>  Maybe I'll learn my lesson!
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 10:00 PM Rick Taillieu via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My guess it you’ll get nothing and the charge on your card will be from
> China.
>
> I fell for this scam on a similar site last fall on some car parts.
>
> Luckily I challenged the charge and my card was refunded.
>
> If it looks too good to be true, it is.
>
>
>
> Rick Taillieu
>
> Boatless
>
> Leamington, Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* June-28-18 21:52
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat
>
>
>
> I knew what I was doing and the risk being taken.  Good or bad, I take
> full responsibility for the outcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the tip though!
>
>
>
> Josh
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

I used the card I have for online purchases that has a very low limit.

So far nothing extra has been charged and it’s been 8 months.

The site looked the same as this site.

 

Rick Taillieu

Boatless 

Leamington, Ontario

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: June-28-18 22:04
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

 

Well as they say, "There is no better teacher than that of experience."  Maybe 
I'll learn my lesson!

 

Josh 

 

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 10:00 PM Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
 wrote:

My guess it you’ll get nothing and the charge on your card will be from China.

I fell for this scam on a similar site last fall on some car parts.

Luckily I challenged the charge and my card was refunded.

If it looks too good to be true, it is.

 

Rick Taillieu

Boatless 

Leamington, Ontario

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: June-28-18 21:52
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

 

I knew what I was doing and the risk being taken.  Good or bad, I take full 
responsibility for the outcome.

 

Thanks for the tip though! 

 

Josh

 

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Well as they say, "There is no better teacher than that of experience."
 Maybe I'll learn my lesson!

Josh

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 10:00 PM Rick Taillieu via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My guess it you’ll get nothing and the charge on your card will be from
> China.
>
> I fell for this scam on a similar site last fall on some car parts.
>
> Luckily I challenged the charge and my card was refunded.
>
> If it looks too good to be true, it is.
>
>
>
> Rick Taillieu
>
> Boatless
>
> Leamington, Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* June-28-18 21:52
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat
>
>
>
> I knew what I was doing and the risk being taken.  Good or bad, I take
> full responsibility for the outcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the tip though!
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

My guess it you’ll get nothing and the charge on your card will be from China.

I fell for this scam on a similar site last fall on some car parts.

Luckily I challenged the charge and my card was refunded.

If it looks too good to be true, it is.

 

Rick Taillieu

Boatless 

Leamington, Ontario

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: June-28-18 21:52
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

 

I knew what I was doing and the risk being taken.  Good or bad, I take full 
responsibility for the outcome.

 

Thanks for the tip though! 

 

Josh

 

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I knew what I was doing and the risk being taken.  Good or bad, I take full
responsibility for the outcome.

Thanks for the tip though!

Josh

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 9:49 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a bad feeling about this.  I think I’m going to regret posting that
> link...or at least Josh will.  Just don’t blame me!
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:48 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:47:32 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I just bought one.  I'll let you guys know how things turn out.  I opened a
> masked CC to pay.  I'm sure I've lost or wasted a lot more the $50 in my
> life.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I have a bad feeling about this.  I think I’m going to regret posting that 
link...or at least Josh will.  Just don’t blame me!

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:48 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:47:32 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I just bought one.  I'll let you guys know how things turn out.  I opened a
> masked CC to pay.  I'm sure I've lost or wasted a lot more the $50 in my
> life.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
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Re: Stus-List Steaming light guard

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I put one of these on the mast to protect the ML2 steaming/deck light when I 
rewired the mast on my 38 11 or 12 years ago. Never had a problem.

 

I thought that being under the spreaders and between the mast and shrouds was 
protection enough for the ML1 spreader lights. Wrong! So I bought two more of 
these to install over the spreader lights. No problems since.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rod Stright 
Subject: Stus-List Steaming light guard

 

Has anyone come up with a good design for a guard to protect your steaming 
light from damage caused by flailing halyards and headsails in strong winds.  I 
know Forespar makes one 
https://www.forespar.com/products/sail-light-guard.shtml but I am not sure that 
that design will do the job as it does not offer a lot of protection at the top 
of the light.

 

Thanks

Rod Stright

C&C 99

 

 

 


 

 

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Re: Stus-List Steaming light guard

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I had one made.

From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rod Stright 
Subject: Stus-List Steaming light guard

Has anyone come up with a good design for a guard to protect your steaming 
light from damage caused by flailing halyards and headsails in strong winds.  I 
know Forespar makes one 
https://www.forespar.com/products/sail-light-guard.shtml but I am not sure that 
that design will do the job as it does not offer a lot of protection at the top 
of the light.

 

Thanks

Rod Stright

C&C 99

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Interesting - I actually have a shock cord solution for the dodger fouling but 
I didn’t think of moving the main sheet attachment aft.  Will consider that 
  thanks.

Dave 

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> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Hoyt, Mike  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave
>  
> Persistence also has a dodger, bimini and connector.  The Frers 33 has almost 
> identical cockpit and layout to 33-2.
>  
> On Persistence the bimini connector also can only be used when main is not in 
> use and we have to move mainsheet to toe rail. 
>  
> On Persistence we cannot the main sheet is also interfered with by dodger as 
> we have bridge deck traveler in same location as 33-2.  Actually the Frers 
> traveler is forward on the bridge deck where the 33-2 is a couple of inches 
> further aft.  The boom bail must be moved aft one foot when sailing with 
> dodger compared to ideal position where it is located when dodger is not on 
> the boat.  Not sure if this is an option for you.  I could send pictures if 
> you are interested.
>  
> Note that the dodger, bimini and connector are not on the boat at this time 
> as it is mostly racing time for us this time of year but that canvas is 
> certainly nice for cruising and deliveries!
>  
> Mike Hoyt
> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 33 #16
> Halifax, NS
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of syerdave 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:09 AM
> To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> Cc: syerdave
> Subject: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2
>  
>  
>  
> Finally Updating the boat blog.   Happy with this solution to an ongoing 
> irritant.
>  
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/more-fun-with-shock-cord.html
>  
> Dave 33-2 Windstar
>  
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Steaming light guard

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

I thought the radar some was put there to protect the steaming light. Lol. 


Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39 POYC, WA.


 Original message From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 
 Date: 6/28/18  16:56  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rod Stright  Subject: Stus-List 
Steaming light guard 
Has anyone come up with a good design for a guard to protect your steaming 
light from damage caused by flailing halyards and headsails in strong winds.  I 
know Forespar makes one 
https://www.forespar.com/products/sail-light-guard.shtml but I am not sure that 
that design will do the job as it does not offer a lot of protection at the top 
of the light. ThanksRod StrightC&C 99  




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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Mast step chocks and shims

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I don’t.  It drools to where it should anyway.

Dave 

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> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Neil E. Andersen  
> wrote:
> 
> What size tubing do you use from the mast step plate to the bilge?
>  
> Neil
> 1982 C&C32 – FoxFire
> Rock Hall, MD
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of syerdave via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:15 AM
> To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> Cc: syerdave 
> Subject: Stus-List 33-2 Mast step chocks and shims
>  
> Per a recent discussion, photos of same.
>  
>  
> https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/mast-step-chocks-and-shims.html
>  
> Dave 33-2 Windstar
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List checking fire extinguishers & Lifeslings

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

Canadian regulations require fire extinguishers to be recertified yearly. It's 
probably a good thing but I always complain about the cost. 

Al Liles
SV Elendil
Vancouver BC


> On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> make sure the powder is not compacted, need to shake it up regularly.  It 
> will not work if the powder is in one big lump.
> 
> Leslie,
> semi-retired USAR member.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 6/27/18, svrebeccaleah via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List checking fire extinguishers & Lifeslings
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "svrebeccaleah" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2018, 9:55 AM
> 
> Eric,I
> just replaced some of my fire extinguishers. There was a
> year embossed on the bottom of mine. One was 88, another was
> 94. As long as the pressure is in the green, and weight is
> above minimum on label they are serviceable.(this is how we
> check the at the airline I work for).  I use a small
> kitchen scale. 
> 
> 
> Doug
> Mountjoy Rebecca
> Leah LF39 Port Orchard YC,
> WA.
> 
> 
>  Original
> message From: Eric Frank via CnC-List
>  Date: 6/27/18 
> 08:56  (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Eric Frank 
> Subject: Stus-List checking fire extinguishers
> & Lifeslings 
> 
> Checking the condition of the
> extinguishers aboard Cats Paw - I can’t find a date on
> them.  Aren’t they supposed to be replaced every 5 years,
> or is it sufficient to just check that the pressure
> indicator is safely in the green? A related safety issue - I
> checked the line inside my Lifesling and discovered the
> splice between the yellow polypropylene line and the heavier
> line that is secured to a deck cleat was in terrible
> condition.  It would likely have broken had we used it.
> That has not been on my list to check annually but certainly
> is now - just passing this along to the group.
>  Polypropylene is UV sensitive, so it's likely the
> plastic line should be replaced.  Is that safe (and would
> it satisfy a safety inspection) - if so how does one splice
> the plastic line with the heavier line at the end? For this
> year, I decided to buy a new Lifesling, although the
> Sunbrella cover I had made for it when purchased seems in
> good condition.
> 
> Eric
> Frank
> Cat's
> Paw, C&C 35 Mk II
> Mattapoisett, MA
> 
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Stus-List Steaming light guard

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Has anyone come up with a good design for a guard to protect your steaming 
light from damage caused by flailing halyards and headsails in strong winds.  I 
know Forespar makes one 
https://www.forespar.com/products/sail-light-guard.shtml but I am not sure that 
that design will do the job as it does not offer a lot of protection at the top 
of the light.



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C&C 99







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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

You are a brave man Josh.

Ken H.

On Thursday, 28 June 2018, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
wrote:
> I just bought one.  I'll let you guys know how things turn out.  I opened
a masked CC to pay.  I'm sure I've lost or wasted a lot more the $50 in my
life.
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 2:59 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> The product itself looks like it is well made, by a company with a good
reputation, YS Fittings:
http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/YS-Catalogue-2012-web.pdf , a wholly owned
subsidiary of Allen Brothers Co of the UK (of Holt-Allen fame):
http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/  " YS Fittings are manufactured by Allen
Brothers in a dedicated foundry at their factory in Essex, UK."
>> ...and I think the item would work very will in its intended
application, as a "spring cleat", a cleat for spring lines (not breast
lines) so the pull is in line with the toe rail, not perpendicular to it.
>>
>> On the other hand, “Exciting Store” I wouldn't touch with a ten foot
pole.
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 at 14:36, Jack Brennan via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Naming a business web site “Exciting Store” certainly is lame, if
nothing else. Sort of like the foreign car company that named one of its
models the Mirage a number of years back.
>>>
>>> And Ken is correct that the web site offers no way to contact the
company and uses the .top ending so that it doesn’t have to indicate what
country the business is based in.
>>>
>>> So you can take your pick: Clumsy foreigners with good products with
don’t understand English or marketing; An offshore company marketing
inferior products; an outright scam that will swipe your credit card info
and sell it to the highest bidder.
>>>
>>> Having had my credit card info swiped after buying products from
mysterious web sites in the past, I wouldn’t chance it
>>>
>>> Jack Brennan
>>> Former C&C 25
>>> Currently boatless and looking
>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: John Conklin via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:53 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: John Conklin
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)
>>>
>>> skeptical of product ? or is this safe store ? hard to see how would
work with top of  toe rail ? Any one else use them before ? willing to try
but value my CC :)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...
>>>
>>>
https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html
>>>
>>> Tom Buscaglia
>>> S/V Alera
>>> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>>> Vashon WA
>>> P 206.463.9200
>>> C 305.409.3660
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
>>> From: Gary Russell 
>>> To: "C&C List" 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Dennis,
>>> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
>>> range.
>>> Gary
>>>
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Stus-List C&C33 mk1 - for sale

[Joe Jonika via CnC-List]

My boat of 22+yrs is for sale.  It is in very very nice condition and 
maintained like a C&C should be maintained.  It has been recently and 
professionally painted (flag blue) with Quantum sails.  If you are 
interested I have have many pics and can give more details. I am asking 
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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I just bought one.  I'll let you guys know how things turn out.  I opened a
masked CC to pay.  I'm sure I've lost or wasted a lot more the $50 in my
life.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 2:59 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The product itself looks like it is well made, by a company with a good
> reputation, YS Fittings:
> http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/YS-Catalogue-2012-web.pdf , a wholly owned
> subsidiary of Allen Brothers Co of the UK (of Holt-Allen fame):
> http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/  " YS Fittings are manufactured by Allen
> Brothers in a dedicated foundry at their factory in Essex, UK."
>
> ...and I think the item would work very will in its intended application,
> as a "spring cleat", a cleat for spring lines (not breast lines) so the
> pull is in line with the toe rail, not perpendicular to it.
>
> On the other hand, “Exciting Store” I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 at 14:36, Jack Brennan via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Naming a business web site “Exciting Store” certainly is lame, if nothing
>> else. Sort of like the foreign car company that named one of its models the
>> Mirage a number of years back.
>>
>> And Ken is correct that the web site offers no way to contact the company
>> and uses the .top ending so that it doesn’t have to indicate what country
>> the business is based in.
>>
>> So you can take your pick: Clumsy foreigners with good products with
>> don’t understand English or marketing; An offshore company marketing
>> inferior products; an outright scam that will swipe your credit card info
>> and sell it to the highest bidder.
>>
>> Having had my credit card info swiped after buying products from
>> mysterious web sites in the past, I wouldn’t chance it
>>
>> Jack Brennan
>> Former C&C 25
>> Currently boatless and looking
>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:53 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* John Conklin
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)
>>
>> skeptical of product ? or is this safe store ? hard to see how would
>> work with top of  toe rail ? Any one else use them before ? willing to try
>> but value my CC :)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...
>>
>>
>> https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html
>> 
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera
>> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
>> C 305.409.3660
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
>> From: Gary Russell 
>> To: "C&C List" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Dennis,
>> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
>> range.
>> Gary
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Mast step chocks and shims

[J.R. Farrar via CnC-List]

I have two 1/2"


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 09:29 Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What size tubing do you use from the mast step plate to the bilge?
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C&C32 – FoxFire
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *syerdave
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:15 AM
> *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* syerdave 
> *Subject:* Stus-List 33-2 Mast step chocks and shims
>
>
>
> Per a recent discussion, photos of same.
>
>
>
>
>
> https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/mast-step-chocks-and-shims.html
>
>
>
> Dave 33-2 Windstar
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Rodney Randow via CnC-List]

I have used Johnson folder cleats as spring line cleats on my 33-1 for 
years. However, I was not being satisfied with the fit without some 
modification. To fill in the space under the outward curl of the toe 
rail I cut a piece of 1 x 1/8 inch aluminum bar (home depot) with a 
notch for the bolt. To keep the cleat from rocking fore and aft, I cut 
another piece slightly less than the ID of the clamp that fits on top of 
the toe rail between the rubber and the metal top. On a line without an 
eye loop I put at least two wraps around the base of the cleat before 
tying the cleat hitch.


-- Rod   C&C 33-1



On 06/28/2018 10:42 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:

Dennis,
     I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my 
price range.

Gary

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Re: Stus-List DARK SIDE now PHRF

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 PHRF is set up as independent stations; US Sailing only reports averages, it 
doesn't set them.If you're in a lower wind area, your local station should 
adjust accordingly.On Carlyle, we adjust according to the SA/D ratio since our 
courses are rather short.  Some legs are only a couple miles long.  A lighter 
weight, fast tacking boat like a J22 has advantages over larger heavier boats 
like a C&C 35 for e.g..SA/D also addresses the ability to accelerate out of a 
tack.  It's not just hull speed, but also how fast one can accelerate to hull 
speed.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 8:09:01 PM CDT, Chuck S via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Thoughts on PHRF:
There are a few PHRF rated boats that seem to defy their rating and sail much 
faster. My New Jersey fleet had a J28, a cruiser with a rating 171, similar to 
a J24, but with longer waterline and bigger sails. Our rating was 99 and we had 
better upwind speed, but In many light air races he stayed right with us. We 
had to beat him by more than 5 minutes to keep our place. That J28 should have 
had a rating adjustment, but never did.

Now I race on Chesapeake Bay and do distance races; we start at one YC and 
finish at another. The entire race can be 80 to 100% downwind, so spinnakers 
are a must, but I'm racing solo, so I suffer w wing and wing and take pictures. 

PHRF can be frustrating. I believe the ratings are fair if the races are 
triangular and if they occur in all the different wind speeds. Average a series 
of six races in six different wind speeds. In reality, the summer gives you six 
races in no wind to 8 knots, so boats rarely ever achieve hullspeed, and 
lightweight racers dominate the results. I don't pretend to know any answer to 
this rating problem. I'm just sharing that around here, races have too little 
wind to race or we are lucky to get under 8 knots, or it's blowing 30 w small 
craft warnings, half the entries are DNS and half of the starters are DNF 
because of breakage.


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Stus-List Genoa for sale - 1985 C&C 37

[John via CnC-List]

Hi,

*Posting this for a friend...*

He has a genoa for sale. It’s a 130% genoa in good condition, age unknown,
price 400$.

It is for a 1985 C&C 37.

Here are a couple of links.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SYJhPrS-xIja-5nN8t_egLK0ZR8fIaWp/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cTLyrfHOI54-8-Ucin9MbEUj-8tLzDI6/view?usp=sharing


If you or someone is interested you/they can send an email to;

lmcp...@hotmail.com


/John

Cassidy's Free
1983 LF 38, #155
Ontario
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Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

[schiller via CnC-List]

I have been on the list since we bought Corsair (1970 Redwing 35) in 
1996.  We were still dial-up 56k modem at the time.


Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, #028
"Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 6/28/2018 9:49 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
Mike — I’ve been on the list since the old SailNet days in the 90’s, 
so I’ve already made it well past the eighteen-year mark… :^)


— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Jun 28, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hi Dennis
If it has lasted 18 years and you have it rebuilt you may not have to 
worry about it 18 years from now. Likely if you did and emailed this 
list at that time it would be an entirely different group reading and 
responding as well.  There would likely be no one left to say “I told 
you so”

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS




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Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

[David via CnC-List]

I too went to Navtech to rebuild my backstage years ago it was fine for one 
season.  We launch the boat the next season and it was leaking. I took it back 
expecting warranty service. Nope. Another 500 bucks and it was leaking within a 
year. Went to hydraulic truck shop a hundred bucks later it's been fine for 5 
years. I just don't understand these Navtech techs and what they charge and 
what they provide

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Bruno Lachance via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:57:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bruno Lachance
Subject: Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

I have to share my experience about backstay aduster. Two years ago, after the 
unit completely release with no pressure in the middle of the Northumberland 
straith,   I decided to send my navtec unit to Southshore in Ontario. They are 
supposed to be the best around, I did not want to cheap on that and decided to 
pay the big money to have it fixed by a pro.

But when I had the unit back, it was already leaking in the box... so I called 
them and they told me to send them the unit again.I paid the shipping fees and 
returned the unit. After a while it came back, "repaired" with a written note 
saying that the rod was scored and that the unit will probably leak again in a 
near future. Apparently it was not possible to polish it, but they did not feel 
it was a good idea to call me before doing the temporary fix.

Well, thank you very much for informing me after I was something like 600 can $ 
out. ( repair plus shipping cost) Knowing that first, I would have never paid 
to have it repaired, two times!! Was it scratched by them during the repair? I 
will never know. But they did send me a "free" seal, you know the one that 
everybody say they cost 50 cents. Yes I was and I am still a bit bitter about 
it.

It still holds pressure for a while, but I have to pump it back often and fluid 
leaks on the transom which is very annoying, and not safe.

I am thinking about replacing the whole thing with a cascading system. I lost 
confidence in my navtec cylinder.

Almost everybody on this list seems to have luck with their repair, even when 
done by the non navtec certified tech. Good for you, but I wanted to share that 
it can be different when you try to repair a 1987 unit.

I wish you all the best with your unit, they are nice when they do work!

Bruno Lachance
Becassine, 33mkii
New Richmond, Qc.

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Le 28 juin 2018 à 09:41, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Hi Dennis

If it has lasted 18 years and you have it rebuilt you may not have to worry 
about it 18 years from now.  Likely if you did and emailed this list at that 
time it would be an entirely different group reading and responding as well.  
There would likely be no one left to say “I told you so”

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:57 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

First, thanks to the list for all the helpful advice, on and off list.

OK, decision made.  Lots learned.  Lots of thought given.

First, a hydraulic backstay adjuster is just a hydraulic ram.  Any good 
hydraulic shop should be able to fix the leak.  I took the adjuster to a local 
shop and they said they could "probably" fix the leak.  They wanted $125 
minimum.  I didn't get a warm, fuzzy feeling that "Bubba" understood the 
exposure to saltwater, the importance of stainless parts, etc.

So I gave it a bit more thought.  My adjuster is 18 years old.  It has been 
exposed to the elements for those 18 years.  My research suggests that the root 
cause is probably deterioration of the top seal.  It is exposed to UV.  Once 
the top seal fails, grit may enter the unit and then cause damage to the piston 
seals resulting in leakage and failure.  Further, if not fixed properly, the 
grit may score the cylinder, rendering the unit unfixable.  So, we may be 
dealing with more than just a "leak".

Given that, I decided to opt for a full rebuild rather than let Bubba fix only 
the leak.  After talking with Lew Townsend and a few other Navtec agents, the 
pricing seems to be in the $350-400 range.  The seal kit is about $100 online.

Right now, it's on it's way to Stix-N-Rig'n in Kemah, TX.  They have good 
online reviews and seemed knowledgeable and competent.  Hopefully, I'll get a 
good fix and a quick turnaround.  I'll let the list know how it goes.

As a final note, I need to figure a way to protect the top seal from UV 
exposure.  I might find a proper size plastic washer or plastic or PVC cap and 
slip it down the rod so it sits on top of the cylinder and shades the seal.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

The product itself looks like it is well made, by a company with a good
reputation, YS Fittings:
http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/YS-Catalogue-2012-web.pdf , a wholly owned
subsidiary of Allen Brothers Co of the UK (of Holt-Allen fame):
http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/  " YS Fittings are manufactured by Allen
Brothers in a dedicated foundry at their factory in Essex, UK."

...and I think the item would work very will in its intended application,
as a "spring cleat", a cleat for spring lines (not breast lines) so the
pull is in line with the toe rail, not perpendicular to it.

On the other hand, “Exciting Store” I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

Ken H.



On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 at 14:36, Jack Brennan via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Naming a business web site “Exciting Store” certainly is lame, if nothing
> else. Sort of like the foreign car company that named one of its models the
> Mirage a number of years back.
>
> And Ken is correct that the web site offers no way to contact the company
> and uses the .top ending so that it doesn’t have to indicate what country
> the business is based in.
>
> So you can take your pick: Clumsy foreigners with good products with don’t
> understand English or marketing; An offshore company marketing inferior
> products; an outright scam that will swipe your credit card info and sell
> it to the highest bidder.
>
> Having had my credit card info swiped after buying products from
> mysterious web sites in the past, I wouldn’t chance it
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C&C 25
> Currently boatless and looking
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:53 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* John Conklin
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)
>
> skeptical of product ? or is this safe store ? hard to see how would  work
> with top of  toe rail ? Any one else use them before ? willing to try but
> value my CC :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...
>
>
> https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html
> 
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
> From: Gary Russell 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dennis,
> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
> range.
> Gary
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

 As the old saying goes, "If it appears to be too good to be true... it
probably isn't".

Gary
S/V Kaylarah

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good catch.  Scamadvisor gives it a trust rating of 10%.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...
>>
>> https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat
>> -ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera
>> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
>> C 305.409.3660
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
>> From: Gary Russell 
>> To: "C&C List" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Dennis,
>> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
>> range.
>> Gary
>>
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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Good catch.  Scamadvisor gives it a trust rating of 10%.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...
>
> https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-
> cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
> From: Gary Russell 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dennis,
> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
> range.
> Gary
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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

Naming a business web site “Exciting Store” certainly is lame, if nothing else. 
Sort of like the foreign car company that named one of its models the Mirage a 
number of years back.

And Ken is correct that the web site offers no way to contact the company and 
uses the .top ending so that it doesn’t have to indicate what country the 
business is based in.

So you can take your pick: Clumsy foreigners with good products with don’t 
understand English or marketing; An offshore company marketing inferior 
products; an outright scam that will swipe your credit card info and sell it to 
the highest bidder.

Having had my credit card info swiped after buying products from mysterious web 
sites in the past, I wouldn’t chance it

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Currently boatless and looking
Tierra Verde, Fl.





From: John Conklin via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin
Subject: Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

skeptical of product ? or is this safe store ? hard to see how would  work with 
top of  toe rail ? Any one else use them before ? willing to try but value my 
CC :)


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On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...

  
https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html

  Tom Buscaglia
  S/V Alera
  1990 C&C 37+/40
  Vashon WA
  P 206.463.9200
  C 305.409.3660


  On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
From: Gary Russell 
To: "C&C List" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
Message-ID:
   
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dennis,
I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
range.
Gary

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Re: Stus-List Centre board

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Mike,

The local yard did the work, but, essentially, they bolted through the lead 
into the board, then added epoxy and fiberglass to the bottom to fill the slot. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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On Jun 28, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Mike Taylor via CnC-List  
wrote:

Edd

I’m curious how did you seal your board in place.

Mike

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Schillay.com  via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> As most everyone on the list knows, I sailed with a centerboard on my 37+ for 
> almost 15 years before sealing it in the keel. While the 37 has a different, 
> deeper board, here’s what I discovered when it came to my boat:
> 
> In a good breeze, going upwind, it’s certainly an advantage. While we didn’t 
> necessarily point higher, we did side-slip slightly less. For cruising, it’s 
> not a big deal, but if you race the boat, you’ll want it down upwind. 
> 
> In light air, having that much more “boat in the water” when the board was 
> down was more of a disadvantage. If it’s 5 knots or less, you will sail 
> faster with the board up on all points of sail. Additionally, the slot itself 
> is a bit of a drag when it comes to water flow. 
> 
> Not only did I fix the board in the up position, I sealed the bottom — no 
> slot. I actually sail faster now off the wind.  I did add a drain plug, but 
> I’ve found not much water has been collecting inside. 
> 
> Interestingly enough, I raced the Enterprise for a season and a half with the 
> board sealed in place. Ultimately I saw no difference — we were as 
> competitive as we were before and finishing in the same place as before with 
> the same time differences between the same competition. This was for one-hour 
> or so beer-can racing, and perhaps things would be different on longer races. 
> Oh — and sealing it gave me one less whiny crew member in the pit since they 
> no longer had to winch that thing up after the windward mark rounding. 
> 
> Maintenance issues is a biggie. If you keep the board, you are looking at 
> replacing that cable every 5-8 years. For the 37+ design, there’s no way a 
> diver can do it — it must be a haul and the yard will charge you extra for 
> staying in their travel lift for the duration of the swap. And if that cable 
> should happen to break, you could be looking at a world of damage to your 
> keel. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> On Jun 28, 2018, 11:21 AM -0400, Persuasion37 via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>, wrote:
>> To all you keel/centre board owners, I’m wondering how many of you actually 
>> use the centre board?
>> 
>> Some of you may recall that the pendant let go somewhere in the Bahamas in 
>> 14/15. Fortunately the board was jammed up inside and had been for a number 
>> of years. Upon my return to Canada I removed the board and it has been in my 
>> garage ever since. Long story short it is repaired and I am ready to 
>> re-install the board. I’m thinking of just pinning the board in the up 
>> position. I have all the hardware but I’ve only had the board deployed 3 
>> times in 12 years. This should also relieve any maintenance issues. Any 
>> thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for the feedback.
>> 
>> Mike
>> PERSUASION
>> C&C 37 K/CB
>> Long Sault
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Re: Stus-List Centre board

[Mike Taylor via CnC-List]

Edd

I’m curious how did you seal your board in place.

Mike

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Schillay.com via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> As most everyone on the list knows, I sailed with a centerboard on my 37+ for 
> almost 15 years before sealing it in the keel. While the 37 has a different, 
> deeper board, here’s what I discovered when it came to my boat:
> 
> In a good breeze, going upwind, it’s certainly an advantage. While we didn’t 
> necessarily point higher, we did side-slip slightly less. For cruising, it’s 
> not a big deal, but if you race the boat, you’ll want it down upwind. 
> 
> In light air, having that much more “boat in the water” when the board was 
> down was more of a disadvantage. If it’s 5 knots or less, you will sail 
> faster with the board up on all points of sail. Additionally, the slot itself 
> is a bit of a drag when it comes to water flow. 
> 
> Not only did I fix the board in the up position, I sealed the bottom — no 
> slot. I actually sail faster now off the wind.  I did add a drain plug, but 
> I’ve found not much water has been collecting inside. 
> 
> Interestingly enough, I raced the Enterprise for a season and a half with the 
> board sealed in place. Ultimately I saw no difference — we were as 
> competitive as we were before and finishing in the same place as before with 
> the same time differences between the same competition. This was for one-hour 
> or so beer-can racing, and perhaps things would be different on longer races. 
> Oh — and sealing it gave me one less whiny crew member in the pit since they 
> no longer had to winch that thing up after the windward mark rounding. 
> 
> Maintenance issues is a biggie. If you keep the board, you are looking at 
> replacing that cable every 5-8 years. For the 37+ design, there’s no way a 
> diver can do it — it must be a haul and the yard will charge you extra for 
> staying in their travel lift for the duration of the swap. And if that cable 
> should happen to break, you could be looking at a world of damage to your 
> keel. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>> On Jun 28, 2018, 11:21 AM -0400, Persuasion37 via CnC-List 
>> , wrote:
>> To all you keel/centre board owners, I’m wondering how many of you actually 
>> use the centre board?
>> 
>> Some of you may recall that the pendant let go somewhere in the Bahamas in 
>> 14/15. Fortunately the board was jammed up inside and had been for a number 
>> of years. Upon my return to Canada I removed the board and it has been in my 
>> garage ever since. Long story short it is repaired and I am ready to 
>> re-install the board. I’m thinking of just pinning the board in the up 
>> position. I have all the hardware but I’ve only had the board deployed 3 
>> times in 12 years. This should also relieve any maintenance issues. Any 
>> thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for the feedback.
>> 
>> Mike
>> PERSUASION
>> C&C 37 K/CB
>> Long Sault
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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

skeptical of product ? or is this safe store ? hard to see how would  work with 
top of  toe rail ? Any one else use them before ? willing to try but value my 
CC :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...

https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
From: Gary Russell mailto:captnga...@gmail.com>>
To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
Message-ID:
   
mailto:cabgkxplmxkfdmpavx7cpsz0h5n+kvgpmd+xwe5yinzteuun...@mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dennis,
I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
range.
Gary

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Stus-List 37 Centre board

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Mike, I had a 1981 36 KCB and in the 10 years I had it, never had an issue with 
the board. I would have liked to seal the cast iron board with epoxy or 
something else but never got the chance. Fresh water makes a big difference and 
I would consider where the boat was going to be sailed before deciding. Having 
said that Edd is bang on about the performance. I usually had the board up and 
there was no big down side. Let us know what you end up doing! 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+ 
Midland On

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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

SCAM ALERT - I saw that listing and website too and spent some time looking
through that site.  I think the entire web site is a scam.  Try to find a
phone number or even what country it is supposed to be in.  And a lot of
items are on sale for the same exact price, $43.99, any items regularly
priced between $100 and $200. at a quick glance.

Ken H.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 at 12:12, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...
>
>
> https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
> From: Gary Russell 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dennis,
> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
> range.
> Gary
>
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Re: Stus-List Centre board

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I probably set my CB down 3 or 4 times a year.  It really helps pointing 
and stiffens the boat.  we don't go very far currently but I'm assuming 
when we start to venture further it will see more use.


Danny
Tartan 40 (ex viking 33 owner)
Mattapoisett, MA


On 6/28/2018 11:20 AM, Persuasion37 via CnC-List wrote:

To all you keel/centre board owners, I’m wondering how many of you actually use 
the centre board?

Some of you may recall that the pendant let go somewhere in the Bahamas in 
14/15.  Fortunately the board was jammed up inside and had been for a number of 
years.  Upon my return to Canada I removed the board and it has been in my 
garage ever since.  Long story short it is repaired and I am ready to 
re-install the board.  I’m thinking of just pinning the board in the up 
position.  I have all the hardware but I’ve only had the board deployed 3 times 
in 12 years.  This should also relieve any maintenance issues.  Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault
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Re: Stus-List Centre board

[Schillay.com via CnC-List]

Mike,

As most everyone on the list knows, I sailed with a centerboard on my 37+ for 
almost 15 years before sealing it in the keel. While the 37 has a different, 
deeper board, here’s what I discovered when it came to my boat:

In a good breeze, going upwind, it’s certainly an advantage. While we didn’t 
necessarily point higher, we did side-slip slightly less. For cruising, it’s 
not a big deal, but if you race the boat, you’ll want it down upwind.

In light air, having that much more “boat in the water” when the board was down 
was more of a disadvantage. If it’s 5 knots or less, you will sail faster with 
the board up on all points of sail. Additionally, the slot itself is a bit of a 
drag when it comes to water flow.

Not only did I fix the board in the up position, I sealed the bottom — no slot. 
I actually sail faster now off the wind.  I did add a drain plug, but I’ve 
found not much water has been collecting inside.

Interestingly enough, I raced the Enterprise for a season and a half with the 
board sealed in place. Ultimately I saw no difference — we were as competitive 
as we were before and finishing in the same place as before with the same time 
differences between the same competition. This was for one-hour or so beer-can 
racing, and perhaps things would be different on longer races. Oh — and sealing 
it gave me one less whiny crew member in the pit since they no longer had to 
winch that thing up after the windward mark rounding.

Maintenance issues is a biggie. If you keep the board, you are looking at 
replacing that cable every 5-8 years. For the 37+ design, there’s no way a 
diver can do it — it must be a haul and the yard will charge you extra for 
staying in their travel lift for the duration of the swap. And if that cable 
should happen to break, you could be looking at a world of damage to your keel.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
On Jun 28, 2018, 11:21 AM -0400, Persuasion37 via CnC-List 
, wrote:
> To all you keel/centre board owners, I’m wondering how many of you actually 
> use the centre board?
>
> Some of you may recall that the pendant let go somewhere in the Bahamas in 
> 14/15. Fortunately the board was jammed up inside and had been for a number 
> of years. Upon my return to Canada I removed the board and it has been in my 
> garage ever since. Long story short it is repaired and I am ready to 
> re-install the board. I’m thinking of just pinning the board in the up 
> position. I have all the hardware but I’ve only had the board deployed 3 
> times in 12 years. This should also relieve any maintenance issues. Any 
> thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance for the feedback.
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C&C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Dennis,
 Yes, I just saw that.  I can't make mine for that price.  The Schaefer
Cleat costs more than that.  If it's for real, I would have bought that
instead of making mine.
Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> Did you see Tom's post?  He found it for $44 US
>
> Dennis
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis,
>>  I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
>> range.
>> Gary
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some other solutions to the midship cleat issue:
>>>
>>> http://www.stormforcemarine.com/nomen.html
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Whitecap-4-1-Folding-Cleat-Stainless/
>>> dp/B00SG41IOE
>>>
>>> https://www.whitworths.com.au/stainless-steel-x-folding-cleat-6
>>>
>>> https://www.force4.co.uk/ys-toe-rail-spring-cleat.html
>>>
>>> https://www.marinechandlery.com/allen-toerail-cleat-spring-c
>>> leat-ys9185-anodised-aluminium
>>>
>>> FYI, Touche' has an inboard jib track with a sliding padeye.  I tie my
>>> spring lines to the padeye.  Not optimum but usable.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Gary,

Did you see Tom's post?  He found it for $44 US

Dennis

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>  I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
> range.
> Gary
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Some other solutions to the midship cleat issue:
>>
>> http://www.stormforcemarine.com/nomen.html
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Whitecap-4-1-Folding-Cleat-Stainless/dp/B00SG41IOE
>>
>> https://www.whitworths.com.au/stainless-steel-x-folding-cleat-6
>>
>> https://www.force4.co.uk/ys-toe-rail-spring-cleat.html
>>
>> https://www.marinechandlery.com/allen-toerail-cleat-spring-
>> cleat-ys9185-anodised-aluminium
>>
>> FYI, Touche' has an inboard jib track with a sliding padeye.  I tie my
>> spring lines to the padeye.  Not optimum but usable.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
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Stus-List Asymmetrical Spinnaker, 44' 8" Luff

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

No link

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Asymmetrical Spinnaker, 44' 8" Luff

Don’t Know anything about this, just stumbled across it on Craig’s list.
I do know the sailmaker, tho, and he makes excellent quality sails.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA


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Stus-List Centre board

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

To all you keel/centre board owners, I’m wondering how many of you actually use 
the centre board?

Some of you may recall that the pendant let go somewhere in the Bahamas in 
14/15.  Fortunately the board was jammed up inside and had been for a number of 
years.  Upon my return to Canada I removed the board and it has been in my 
garage ever since.  Long story short it is repaired and I am ready to 
re-install the board.  I’m thinking of just pinning the board in the up 
position.  I have all the hardware but I’ve only had the board deployed 3 times 
in 12 years.  This should also relieve any maintenance issues.  Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault
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Re: Stus-List oe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Tom,
 Wow!  If I had seen that price, I would have bought it.  I, also, am
skeptical of the price.  I can;t make mine for that price.
Gary
S/V Kaylarah

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...
>
> https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-
> cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
> From: Gary Russell 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dennis,
> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
> range.
> Gary
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I am a little skeptical, but this price is nice...

https://www.excitingstore.top/ys-alloy-toe-rail-spring-cleat-ys9185-200mm-p-8883.html

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:43 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:42:20 -0400
> From: Gary Russell 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Dennis,
> I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
> range.
> Gary
> 
> ~~~_/)~~
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Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

I have to share my experience about backstay aduster. Two years ago, after the 
unit completely release with no pressure in the middle of the Northumberland 
straith,   I decided to send my navtec unit to Southshore in Ontario. They are 
supposed to be the best around, I did not want to cheap on that and decided to 
pay the big money to have it fixed by a pro.

But when I had the unit back, it was already leaking in the box... so I called 
them and they told me to send them the unit again.I paid the shipping fees and 
returned the unit. After a while it came back, "repaired" with a written note 
saying that the rod was scored and that the unit will probably leak again in a 
near future. Apparently it was not possible to polish it, but they did not feel 
it was a good idea to call me before doing the temporary fix.

Well, thank you very much for informing me after I was something like 600 can $ 
out. ( repair plus shipping cost) Knowing that first, I would have never paid 
to have it repaired, two times!! Was it scratched by them during the repair? I 
will never know. But they did send me a "free" seal, you know the one that 
everybody say they cost 50 cents. Yes I was and I am still a bit bitter about 
it.

It still holds pressure for a while, but I have to pump it back often and fluid 
leaks on the transom which is very annoying, and not safe.

I am thinking about replacing the whole thing with a cascading system. I lost 
confidence in my navtec cylinder.

Almost everybody on this list seems to have luck with their repair, even when 
done by the non navtec certified tech. Good for you, but I wanted to share that 
it can be different when you try to repair a 1987 unit.

I wish you all the best with your unit, they are nice when they do work!

Bruno Lachance
Becassine, 33mkii
New Richmond, Qc.

Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 28 juin 2018 à 09:41, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Hi Dennis

If it has lasted 18 years and you have it rebuilt you may not have to worry 
about it 18 years from now.  Likely if you did and emailed this list at that 
time it would be an entirely different group reading and responding as well.  
There would likely be no one left to say “I told you so”

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:57 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

First, thanks to the list for all the helpful advice, on and off list.

OK, decision made.  Lots learned.  Lots of thought given.

First, a hydraulic backstay adjuster is just a hydraulic ram.  Any good 
hydraulic shop should be able to fix the leak.  I took the adjuster to a local 
shop and they said they could "probably" fix the leak.  They wanted $125 
minimum.  I didn't get a warm, fuzzy feeling that "Bubba" understood the 
exposure to saltwater, the importance of stainless parts, etc.

So I gave it a bit more thought.  My adjuster is 18 years old.  It has been 
exposed to the elements for those 18 years.  My research suggests that the root 
cause is probably deterioration of the top seal.  It is exposed to UV.  Once 
the top seal fails, grit may enter the unit and then cause damage to the piston 
seals resulting in leakage and failure.  Further, if not fixed properly, the 
grit may score the cylinder, rendering the unit unfixable.  So, we may be 
dealing with more than just a "leak".

Given that, I decided to opt for a full rebuild rather than let Bubba fix only 
the leak.  After talking with Lew Townsend and a few other Navtec agents, the 
pricing seems to be in the $350-400 range.  The seal kit is about $100 online.

Right now, it's on it's way to Stix-N-Rig'n in Kemah, TX.  They have good 
online reviews and seemed knowledgeable and competent.  Hopefully, I'll get a 
good fix and a quick turnaround.  I'll let the list know how it goes.

As a final note, I need to figure a way to protect the top seal from UV 
exposure.  I might find a proper size plastic washer or plastic or PVC cap and 
slip it down the rod so it sits on top of the cylinder and shades the seal.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Ditto.

 

I think I first joined the then current version of the list in 1994, when I 
bought my 25 mk1

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

 

Mike — I’ve been on the list since the old SailNet days in the 90’s, so I’ve 
already made it well past the eighteen-year mark…   :^)

 

— Fred

 


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI





On Jun 28, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Dennis

 

If it has lasted 18 years and you have it rebuilt you may not have to worry 
about it 18 years from now.  Likely if you did and emailed this list at that 
time it would be an entirely different group reading and responding as well.  
There would likely be no one left to say “I told you so”

 

Mike

Persistence
Halifax, NS

 

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Re: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Mike I have a length about 18 inches, of covered wire like lifeline wire
that is attached one end to the boom bail and the other to the moveable
block on the main sheet. That helps to reduce the sheet length required
when sailing off the wind a lot especially on Alianna where the advantage
is 7:1 to the fixed ratchet block and cleat on the traveller. Works great.
Also Alianna’s boom is about a foot shorter than the standard setup so I
have a high aspect ration main. That caused an interesting problem when
Doyle made my new main to standard measure. It was really really loose
footed so they had to make another new sail to fit properly. This old 35
mkii design is really a nice sailing boat. I use my main even when single
handed a little extra work but well worth it.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:28 AM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> On our 33 mkII, the main sheet is attached to a spectra webbing that goes
> around the boom, we can move it a bit aft and forward and it clears the
> dodger. It is amazing that the strand doesn't slip that much, never had a
> problem with this setup.
>
> Bruno Lachance
> Becassine, 33 mkII
> New Richmond, Qc.
>
> Envoyé de mon iPad
>
> Le 28 juin 2018 à 10:16, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
> a écrit :
>
> Mike what is the problem with the boom bail being a foot or so farther
> aft. I intentionally moved it aft on my 35 MKII which also has a bridgedeck
> traveller for the main sheet
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:49 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Persistence also has a dodger, bimini and connector.  The Frers 33 has
>> almost identical cockpit and layout to 33-2.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Persistence the bimini connector also can only be used when main is
>> not in use and we have to move mainsheet to toe rail.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Persistence we cannot the main sheet is also interfered with by dodger
>> as we have bridge deck traveler in same location as 33-2.  Actually the
>> Frers traveler is forward on the bridge deck where the 33-2 is a couple of
>> inches further aft.  The boom bail must be moved aft one foot when sailing
>> with dodger compared to ideal position where it is located when dodger is
>> not on the boat.  Not sure if this is an option for you.  I could send
>> pictures if you are interested.
>>
>>
>>
>> Note that the dodger, bimini and connector are not on the boat at this
>> time as it is mostly racing time for us this time of year but that canvas
>> is certainly nice for cruising and deliveries!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hoyt
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> 1987 Frers 33 #16
>>
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *syerdave
>> via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:09 AM
>> *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* syerdave
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally Updating the boat blog.   Happy with this solution to an ongoing
>> irritant.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/more-fun-with-shock-cord.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave 33-2 Windstar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Asymmetrical Spinnaker, 44' 8" Luff

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Don’t Know anything about this, just stumbled across it on Craig’s list.
I do know the sailmaker, tho, and he makes excellent quality sails.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Dennis,
 I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
range.
Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Some other solutions to the midship cleat issue:
>
> http://www.stormforcemarine.com/nomen.html
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Whitecap-4-1-Folding-Cleat-Stainless/dp/B00SG41IOE
>
> https://www.whitworths.com.au/stainless-steel-x-folding-cleat-6
>
> https://www.force4.co.uk/ys-toe-rail-spring-cleat.html
>
> https://www.marinechandlery.com/allen-toerail-cleat-
> spring-cleat-ys9185-anodised-aluminium
>
> FYI, Touche' has an inboard jib track with a sliding padeye.  I tie my
> spring lines to the padeye.  Not optimum but usable.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

On our 33 mkII, the main sheet is attached to a spectra webbing that goes 
around the boom, we can move it a bit aft and forward and it clears the dodger. 
It is amazing that the strand doesn't slip that much, never had a problem with 
this setup.

Bruno Lachance
Becassine, 33 mkII
New Richmond, Qc.

Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 28 juin 2018 à 10:16, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Mike what is the problem with the boom bail being a foot or so farther aft. I 
intentionally moved it aft on my 35 MKII which also has a bridgedeck traveller 
for the main sheet


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:49 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Dave

Persistence also has a dodger, bimini and connector.  The Frers 33 has almost 
identical cockpit and layout to 33-2.

On Persistence the bimini connector also can only be used when main is not in 
use and we have to move mainsheet to toe rail.

On Persistence we cannot the main sheet is also interfered with by dodger as we 
have bridge deck traveler in same location as 33-2.  Actually the Frers 
traveler is forward on the bridge deck where the 33-2 is a couple of inches 
further aft.  The boom bail must be moved aft one foot when sailing with dodger 
compared to ideal position where it is located when dodger is not on the boat.  
Not sure if this is an option for you.  I could send pictures if you are 
interested.

Note that the dodger, bimini and connector are not on the boat at this time as 
it is mostly racing time for us this time of year but that canvas is certainly 
nice for cruising and deliveries!

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2



Finally Updating the boat blog.   Happy with this solution to an ongoing 
irritant.

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/more-fun-with-shock-cord.html

Dave 33-2 Windstar



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Re: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Dwight

In its normal position is a vertical line from traveler to boom bail.  With it 
aft is angled.  Aft requires longer sheet and angles make it slightly less 
ideal for trimming.

The other issue is that cockpit is cramped and with the bail aft the sheet 
tends to interfere with the main trimmer more than with it forward over the 
bridge deck

Mike

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veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Re: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2

Mike what is the problem with the boom bail being a foot or so farther aft. I 
intentionally moved it aft on my 35 MKII which also has a bridgedeck traveller 
for the main sheet


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:49 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Dave

Persistence also has a dodger, bimini and connector.  The Frers 33 has almost 
identical cockpit and layout to 33-2.

On Persistence the bimini connector also can only be used when main is not in 
use and we have to move mainsheet to toe rail.

On Persistence we cannot the main sheet is also interfered with by dodger as we 
have bridge deck traveler in same location as 33-2.  Actually the Frers 
traveler is forward on the bridge deck where the 33-2 is a couple of inches 
further aft.  The boom bail must be moved aft one foot when sailing with dodger 
compared to ideal position where it is located when dodger is not on the boat.  
Not sure if this is an option for you.  I could send pictures if you are 
interested.

Note that the dodger, bimini and connector are not on the boat at this time as 
it is mostly racing time for us this time of year but that canvas is certainly 
nice for cruising and deliveries!

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
Halifax, NS

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Behalf Of syerdave via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:09 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Cc: syerdave
Subject: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2



Finally Updating the boat blog.   Happy with this solution to an ongoing 
irritant.

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/more-fun-with-shock-cord.html

Dave 33-2 Windstar



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Re: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Mike what is the problem with the boom bail being a foot or so farther aft.
I intentionally moved it aft on my 35 MKII which also has a bridgedeck
traveller for the main sheet


On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:49 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Dave
>
>
>
> Persistence also has a dodger, bimini and connector.  The Frers 33 has
> almost identical cockpit and layout to 33-2.
>
>
>
> On Persistence the bimini connector also can only be used when main is not
> in use and we have to move mainsheet to toe rail.
>
>
>
> On Persistence we cannot the main sheet is also interfered with by dodger
> as we have bridge deck traveler in same location as 33-2.  Actually the
> Frers traveler is forward on the bridge deck where the 33-2 is a couple of
> inches further aft.  The boom bail must be moved aft one foot when sailing
> with dodger compared to ideal position where it is located when dodger is
> not on the boat.  Not sure if this is an option for you.  I could send
> pictures if you are interested.
>
>
>
> Note that the dodger, bimini and connector are not on the boat at this
> time as it is mostly racing time for us this time of year but that canvas
> is certainly nice for cruising and deliveries!
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 33 #16
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *syerdave
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:09 AM
> *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* syerdave
> *Subject:* Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Finally Updating the boat blog.   Happy with this solution to an ongoing
> irritant.
>
>
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/more-fun-with-shock-cord.html
>
>
>
> Dave 33-2 Windstar
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 Keel bolt size

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 Mike, thanks I will double check that one!

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Persuasion37 via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Persuasion37 
Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 6:36 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 Keel bolt size


Richard


On Persuasion the one under the mast is considerably bigger.


Mike
PERSUASION

C&C 37 K/CB

Long Sault


On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:31 PM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List  
wrote:



Josh; thanks the video was very helpful;  it appear that all of the bolts for 
my boat are the same size; but I will re measure the bolt size;  
 

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 Keel bolt size



Torque values are typically based on the size of the threaded portion of the 
bolt not the nut size or socket size.  It was a little unclear y your 
description which you were measuring.  Have you seen my video?  I provided 
extra info in the video description.  I'll link it here and copy the 
description text too. 


https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc


I used the torque values from the link below as a guide.  316 SS lubricated. 

https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Torque%20of%20Stainless%20Steel,%20Non%20ferrous%20Torque.pdf

 
https://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/nuts-washers/us-nut-dimensions.aspx

C&C 37+ Keel bolts (fwd to aft):
 Nut   stud   torque3:1 multiplier

#1 - 1-1/21  255 =  85 x 3
#2 - 2-3/16 1-1/2615 =  205 x 3
#3 - 2-3/16 1-1/2615 =  205 x 3
#4 - 2-3/16 1-1/2615 =  205 x 3
#5 - 1 7/8   1-1/4465 =  155 x 3
#6 - 2-3/161-1/  615 =  205 x 3
#7 - 1-1/2  1255 =  85 x 3
#8 - 3/4 1/2 38

Here are a few pictures.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1G3HVN_jj0PYa0e5Otk9nwdqVoR4CYTCy

Tef-gel
https://www.ultratef-gel.com/tef-gel/


Looks to me like from the description your bolt matches my #5 bolt.  I got the 
sockets on ebay and yes most of them where ~$50.  I made sure to get deep 6 
point sockets 3/4" drive so that my breaker bar and torque multiplier would fit.


Let me know if you have any other questions. 


Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD












On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 3:14 PM bushmark4--- via CnC-List  
wrote:


 Help! I am working on the torque for my keel bolts; (1985 37 CB); I am having 
difficulty in two areas; No 1. finding a deep well socket for tightening the 
keel bolts; my problem seems to be the size of the bolt; (or more likely, my 
poor measuring); I measure the bolts at 1 3/32; no one carries a socket for 
that size; it seems to translate to between 27 and 28 metric, and the least 
expensive deep well sockets I can find are about $30-50 bucks apiece;  can 
anyone point me in the right direction? Am I measuring wrong? or is there a 
standard size I should go with...
No. 2; do the torque measurement numbers on the Photo album apply to 
centerboard keels and as well as fixed keels? 
any help is appreciated...many thanks

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596:




Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 



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Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Mike — I’ve been on the list since the old SailNet days in the 90’s, so I’ve 
already made it well past the eighteen-year mark…   :^)

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dennis
>  
> If it has lasted 18 years and you have it rebuilt you may not have to worry 
> about it 18 years from now.  Likely if you did and emailed this list at that 
> time it would be an entirely different group reading and responding as well.  
> There would likely be no one left to say “I told you so”
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Dave

Persistence also has a dodger, bimini and connector.  The Frers 33 has almost 
identical cockpit and layout to 33-2.

On Persistence the bimini connector also can only be used when main is not in 
use and we have to move mainsheet to toe rail.

On Persistence we cannot the main sheet is also interfered with by dodger as we 
have bridge deck traveler in same location as 33-2.  Actually the Frers 
traveler is forward on the bridge deck where the 33-2 is a couple of inches 
further aft.  The boom bail must be moved aft one foot when sailing with dodger 
compared to ideal position where it is located when dodger is not on the boat.  
Not sure if this is an option for you.  I could send pictures if you are 
interested.

Note that the dodger, bimini and connector are not on the boat at this time as 
it is mostly racing time for us this time of year but that canvas is certainly 
nice for cruising and deliveries!

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
Halifax, NS

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of syerdave via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:09 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Cc: syerdave
Subject: Stus-List Securing bimini frame with Shock cord 33-2



Finally Updating the boat blog.   Happy with this solution to an ongoing 
irritant.

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/more-fun-with-shock-cord.html

Dave 33-2 Windstar



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Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis

If it has lasted 18 years and you have it rebuilt you may not have to worry 
about it 18 years from now.  Likely if you did and emailed this list at that 
time it would be an entirely different group reading and responding as well.  
There would likely be no one left to say “I told you so”

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:57 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Touche' hydraulic backstay adjuster repair

First, thanks to the list for all the helpful advice, on and off list.

OK, decision made.  Lots learned.  Lots of thought given.

First, a hydraulic backstay adjuster is just a hydraulic ram.  Any good 
hydraulic shop should be able to fix the leak.  I took the adjuster to a local 
shop and they said they could "probably" fix the leak.  They wanted $125 
minimum.  I didn't get a warm, fuzzy feeling that "Bubba" understood the 
exposure to saltwater, the importance of stainless parts, etc.

So I gave it a bit more thought.  My adjuster is 18 years old.  It has been 
exposed to the elements for those 18 years.  My research suggests that the root 
cause is probably deterioration of the top seal.  It is exposed to UV.  Once 
the top seal fails, grit may enter the unit and then cause damage to the piston 
seals resulting in leakage and failure.  Further, if not fixed properly, the 
grit may score the cylinder, rendering the unit unfixable.  So, we may be 
dealing with more than just a "leak".

Given that, I decided to opt for a full rebuild rather than let Bubba fix only 
the leak.  After talking with Lew Townsend and a few other Navtec agents, the 
pricing seems to be in the $350-400 range.  The seal kit is about $100 online.

Right now, it's on it's way to Stix-N-Rig'n in Kemah, TX.  They have good 
online reviews and seemed knowledgeable and competent.  Hopefully, I'll get a 
good fix and a quick turnaround.  I'll let the list know how it goes.

As a final note, I need to figure a way to protect the top seal from UV 
exposure.  I might find a proper size plastic washer or plastic or PVC cap and 
slip it down the rod so it sits on top of the cylinder and shades the seal.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C 41 Bow Chocks

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Chris- I can’t access your picture for some reason, but my boat came without 
bow chocks, so I had Garhauer custom make a set, cut out a piece of railing 
near the bow and bolted them in. The price was very reasonable.  I can send a 
photo.  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jun 27, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Christopher Knox via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very soon I plan to have a new to me 1985 C&C 41. Overall the boat is in good 
> condition, of course there are a few minor issues here and there. One that 
> concerns me a little is a broken chock on the port side of the bow casting. 
> You can see a picture here...
> https://drive.google.com/a/tecniplastusa.com/file/d/1Y7UNG_UuyAtEevboTVUi-r2NAqsrE3Xt/view?usp=drivesdk
>  
> 
> 
> Does anyone have a good source of repair or replacement information for such 
> an item? 
> 
> Thank you, 
> Chris
> 

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Re: Stus-List Sling labels

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I have a Brother label maker on board for such things.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:13 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Sling labels

Just curious, what do listers use for labels to locate where the Travelift 
slings go?  Right now, I just wrap some yellow tape on the toe rail and then 
remove it after splash. 

I've seen all manner of permanent labels. I thought about drilling and tapping 
the toe rail for a set of these but the first time a snatch block hits 
it.well.  And I think they are too long to fit between the holes.

http://www.buckwoodcraft.com/boat-sling-labels.html


I'd prefer not to put a decal on the paint.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Mast step chocks and shims

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

What size tubing do you use from the mast step plate to the bilge?

 

Neil

1982 C&C32 – FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of syerdave via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:15 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Cc: syerdave 
Subject: Stus-List 33-2 Mast step chocks and shims

 

Per a recent discussion, photos of same.

 

 

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/mast-step-chocks-and-shims.html

 

Dave 33-2 Windstar

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

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Great idea,   I just installed a Johnson cleat.   I had to spread the clamp to 
get it on and like you I really don’t like it.   I like what you did and will 
copy your design.  

Sail Safe, 

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 Keel bolt size

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Richard

On Persuasion the one under the mast is considerably bigger.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:31 PM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Josh; thanks the video was very helpful;  it appear that all of the bolts for 
> my boat are the same size; but I will re measure the bolt size; 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> To: C&C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 5:43 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 Keel bolt size
> 
> Torque values are typically based on the size of the threaded portion of the 
> bolt not the nut size or socket size.  It was a little unclear y your 
> description which you were measuring.  Have you seen my video?  I provided 
> extra info in the video description.  I'll link it here and copy the 
> description text too. 
> 
> https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
> 
> I used the torque values from the link below as a guide.  316 SS lubricated. 
> 
> https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Torque%20of%20Stainless%20Steel,%20Non%20ferrous%20Torque.pdf
> 
> https://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/nuts-washers/us-nut-dimensions.aspx
> 
> C&C 37+ Keel bolts (fwd to aft):
> Nut   stud   torque3:1 multiplier
> 
> #1 - 1-1/21  255 =  85 x 3
> #2 - 2-3/16 1-1/2615 =  205 x 3
> #3 - 2-3/16 1-1/2615 =  205 x 3
> #4 - 2-3/16 1-1/2615 =  205 x 3
> #5 - 1 7/8   1-1/4465 =  155 x 3
> #6 - 2-3/161-1/  615 =  205 x 3
> #7 - 1-1/2  1255 =  85 x 3
> #8 - 3/4 1/2 38
> 
> Here are a few pictures.
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1G3HVN_jj0PYa0e5Otk9nwdqVoR4CYTCy
> 
> Tef-gel
> https://www.ultratef-gel.com/tef-gel/
> 
> Looks to me like from the description your bolt matches my #5 bolt.  I got 
> the sockets on ebay and yes most of them where ~$50.  I made sure to get deep 
> 6 point sockets 3/4" drive so that my breaker bar and torque multiplier would 
> fit.
> 
> Let me know if you have any other questions. 
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 3:14 PM bushmark4--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Help! I am working on the torque for my keel bolts; (1985 37 CB); I am having 
> difficulty in two areas; No 1. finding a deep well socket for tightening the 
> keel bolts; my problem seems to be the size of the bolt; (or more likely, my 
> poor measuring); I measure the bolts at 1 3/32; no one carries a socket for 
> that size; it seems to translate to between 27 and 28 metric, and the least 
> expensive deep well sockets I can find are about $30-50 bucks apiece;  can 
> anyone point me in the right direction? Am I measuring wrong? or is there a 
> standard size I should go with...
> No. 2; do the torque measurement numbers on the Photo album apply to 
> centerboard keels and as well as fixed keels?
> any help is appreciated...many thanks
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596:
> 
> 
> Richard N. Bush 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
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Stus-List 33-2 Mast step chocks and shims

[syerdave via CnC-List]

Per a recent discussion, photos of same.

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/mast-step-chocks-and-shims.html
Dave 33-2 Windstar

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[syerdave via CnC-List]

Finally Updating the boat blog.   Happy with this solution to an ongoing 
irritant.
http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2018/06/more-fun-with-shock-cord.html
Dave 33-2 Windstar


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