Stus-List Cockpit scupper drains

2018-12-30 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Just to piggyback on the stuck seacock thread.

My buddy is a salvor.  He gets the call when a boat on our bayou is on the
bottom.  A significant percentage of the sinkings involve plugged cockpit
scupper drains.  Leaves and/or debris plug the drain(s).  The cockpit fills
with rain water.  The weight of the water sinks the boat until the cockpit
scuppers are submerged and down it goes.  Sometimes a neglected boat with a
low companionway threshold will get so much rain water in the cockpit it
overflows into the cabin.

Leave the cockpit seacocks open and make sure they are clear.  I flush
Touche's twice a year.  Who knows what spider, mud dauber of whatever
builds a nest in them.

Also, on haul out.  Make sure you know which way your cockpit drains.
Block the boat accordingly.  The 35-1 cockpit, like others, drains
forward.  I always make sure Touche' is blocked level or slightly bow down.

Also, just as a note, the 35-1 has 4 cockpit scupper drains.  Two of them
are in the aft steering station which is separated from the rest of the
cockpit by a bulkhead.  These two drain exit at or slightly above the
waterline when the boat is floating on its lines.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Through hull valves are required since they are below the waterline.  This
way you can control flooding if the hose fails.  They also facilitate hose
replacement while the boat is in the water.

Josh

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 1:22 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

> John, Josh, Andrew, et al... While I fully agree with all of the
> statements about making sure the cockpit drains are always open, it got me
> to thinking, so why do they put seacocks on them in the first place?   The
> only thing I can think of is if you're in the middle of the ocean and need
> a bath?
>
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: John and Maryann Read 
> Sent: Sun, Dec 30, 2018 10:24 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
>
> Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not –
> otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain.  The valve is
> there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks.  I also have frozen
> valves.  Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just
> too hard to get to.  Suspect PO never exercised them either.  Yes I know I
> should get them working but just have never gotten around to it.
>
> The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass
> rudder shaft tube.  I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup
> next to fuel tank in starboard locker.  Easy to get to and easy to get
> grease into tube.
>
> My 2 cents American
>
>
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C 34
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread Richard Bush via CnC-List
 John, Josh, Andrew, et al... While I fully agree with all of the statements 
about making sure the cockpit drains are always open, it got me to thinking, so 
why do they put seacocks on them in the first place?   The only thing I can 
think of is if you're in the middle of the ocean and need a bath?
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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Cc: John and Maryann Read 
Sent: Sun, Dec 30, 2018 10:24 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

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Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – 
otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain.  The valve is 
there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks.  I also have frozen valves. 
 Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to 
get to.  Suspect PO never exercised them either.  Yes I know I should get them 
working but just have never gotten around to it.  The rusted bolt is where the 
grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder shaft tube.  I replaced mine 
with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker.  
Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube.  My 2 cents American    John 
and MaryannLegacy III1982 C 34Noank, CT      
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread John Russo via CnC-List
I am the 2nd owner of a 1984 C 32 and have sailed her for 14 yrs and never 
had reason to close the cockpit drains and as mine were stuck when purchased I 
assume the previous owner never closed them. Make sure the hose and connections 
are  good and forget it.

 

I would be more concerned with the rudder grease cap as it is more important to 
keep the rudder shaft greased. I have no experience there as mine are in good 
condition. I would suggest starting with some rust remover treatment and then 
liquid wrench or DL at the cap junction and then a thin pliers on the inner 
shaft and a larger one on the outer cup rim and try to free the cap. If it was 
ever greased it just might turn. I think that the entire assembly is either 
screwed or glassed into the rudder shaft but not sure so hold on to the inner 
shaft with the thin pliers when cranking the outer cap and only apply the 
pliers to the rim of the outer shell ( forward end ) or you will deform the 
shell. 

 

Good luck

 

John

C 32 Arpeggio

Norwalk,CT  

 

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Subject: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

 

I bought earlier this year a C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed out is the 
seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.  This boat has 
spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC.

 

I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and 
had success freeing it up.  

 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA


 

The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in 
the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just 
replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker 
and remove the fuel tank.

 

The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well, was) a 
grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?

 

Thanks,

Eric

C 32 Sirocco 2

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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
I only ever operate my cockpit drains to make sure they still move. They 
are open otherwise. One jammed and when the boat was on the hard, I 
plugged the thru-hull from underneath and poured some Marvel Mystery Oil 
down the drain. The next day I pulled the lug, drained the oil, and the 
valve worked again :)


Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

On 12/30/2018 10:25 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List wrote:


Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not 
– otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain.  The 
valve is there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks.  I also 
have frozen valves.  Have owned the boat for 20 years and never 
exercised them – just too hard to get to.  Suspect PO never exercised 
them either.  Yes I know I should get them working but just have never 
gotten around to it.


The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass 
rudder shaft tube.  I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease 
cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker.  Easy to get to and easy to 
get grease into tube.


My 2 cents American

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread John and Maryann Read via CnC-List
Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – 
otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain.  The valve is 
there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks.  I also have frozen valves. 
 Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to 
get to.  Suspect PO never exercised them either.  Yes I know I should get them 
working but just have never gotten around to it.

 

The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder 
shaft tube.  I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel 
tank in starboard locker.  Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube.

 

My 2 cents American

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

 

I bought earlier this year a C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed out is the 
seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.  This boat has 
spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC.

 

I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and 
had success freeing it up.  

 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA


 

The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in 
the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just 
replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker 
and remove the fuel tank.

 

The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well, was) a 
grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?

 

Thanks,

Eric

C 32 Sirocco 2

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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
I apologize for creating confusion.  For the reasons stated by Andrew
Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains.  Period.  My statement was supposed to
be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the
boat was an invitation for desaster.  A better practice would be to
relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would
eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by
the necessity of leaving them open.

I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all
angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though
depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be
lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next
tack.  A more centralized drain is a better solution.  As mentioned by
others a discharge in the transom is a good solution.  You want it as high
above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C  40 for 3 years.
> (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern)
>
> When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains  I am on the side
> mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken
> apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful
> persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them  I could
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
> C 40 aft 1983
> Portland me
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is
> aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit!
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 139 Tuckerman Ave
> Middletown, RI
> USA02842
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That was poor engineering to begin with.  Seacocks should be closed when
> not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those
> below the water line.  There is no time when your cockpit drains will not
> be in use.  Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed.  I
> suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above
> the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through
> hulls.
>
> Also consider the waterline when heeled.  You may have to cross port and
> starboard.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> I bought earlier this year a C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed out
>> is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.
>> This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast
>> of BC.
>>
>> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock,
>> and had success freeing it up.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA
>>
>> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12"
>> panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably
>> accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have
>> to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank.
>>
>> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well,
>> was) a grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>> C 32 Sirocco 2
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List
Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C  40 for 3 years. (J24 
Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern)

When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains  I am on the side mine 
are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken 
apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). 
So if I wanted to I could close them  I could 

Thanks

Peter 
C 40 aft 1983
Portland me

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is 
> aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit!
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 139 Tuckerman Ave
> Middletown, RI 
> USA02842
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That was poor engineering to begin with.  Seacocks should be closed when not 
>> in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the 
>> water line.  There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use.  
>> Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed.  I suggest looking 
>> for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, 
>> without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls.
>> 
>> Also consider the waterline when heeled.  You may have to cross port and 
>> starboard.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> I bought earlier this year a C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed out is 
>>> the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.  This 
>>> boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of 
>>> BC.
>>> 
>>> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, 
>>> and had success freeing it up.  
>>> 
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA
>>> 
>>> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel 
>>> in the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably accessible, I'd 
>>> just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through 
>>> the locker and remove the fuel tank.
>>> 
>>> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well, 
>>> was) a grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eric
>>> C 32 Sirocco 2
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List
Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is 
aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit!
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> That was poor engineering to begin with.  Seacocks should be closed when not 
> in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the 
> water line.  There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use.  
> Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed.  I suggest looking 
> for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, 
> without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls.
> 
> Also consider the waterline when heeled.  You may have to cross port and 
> starboard.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> I bought earlier this year a C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed out is 
>> the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.  This 
>> boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC.
>> 
>> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and 
>> had success freeing it up.  
>> 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA
>> 
>> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel 
>> in the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably accessible, I'd 
>> just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through 
>> the locker and remove the fuel tank.
>> 
>> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well, was) 
>> a grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>> C 32 Sirocco 2
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread Neil Andersen via CnC-List
The 32’s are crossed (or are originally).  The old barrel style seacocks are a 
pain in the a$$, but can be disassembled.   I have one now myself to do (head 
intake).   I have been told that the square headed screw showing in your 
picture can be replaced by a zerc (so?) fitting to make lubing easier in the 
future.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall,MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

That was poor engineering to begin with.  Seacocks should be closed when not in 
use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water 
line.  There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use.  Besides, 
seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed.  I suggest looking for a place 
to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without valves, and 
then permanently retire the through hulls.

Also consider the waterline when heeled.  You may have to cross port and 
starboard.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I bought earlier this year a C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed out is the 
seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.  This boat has 
spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC.

I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and 
had success freeing it up.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA

The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in 
the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just 
replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker 
and remove the fuel tank.

The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well, was) a 
grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?

Thanks,
Eric
C 32 Sirocco 2
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue

2018-12-30 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
That was poor engineering to begin with.  Seacocks should be closed when
not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those
below the water line.  There is no time when your cockpit drains will not
be in use.  Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed.  I
suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above
the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through
hulls.

Also consider the waterline when heeled.  You may have to cross port and
starboard.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I bought earlier this year a C 32.  One issue the surveyor pointed out
> is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position.
> This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast
> of BC.
>
> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock,
> and had success freeing it up.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA
>
> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12"
> panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth.  If it was reasonably
> accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have
> to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank.
>
> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube.  I assume this is (well,
> was) a grease cup.  Has anyone taken one of these on?
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
> C 32 Sirocco 2
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