Stus-List Cockpit scupper drains
Just to piggyback on the stuck seacock thread. My buddy is a salvor. He gets the call when a boat on our bayou is on the bottom. A significant percentage of the sinkings involve plugged cockpit scupper drains. Leaves and/or debris plug the drain(s). The cockpit fills with rain water. The weight of the water sinks the boat until the cockpit scuppers are submerged and down it goes. Sometimes a neglected boat with a low companionway threshold will get so much rain water in the cockpit it overflows into the cabin. Leave the cockpit seacocks open and make sure they are clear. I flush Touche's twice a year. Who knows what spider, mud dauber of whatever builds a nest in them. Also, on haul out. Make sure you know which way your cockpit drains. Block the boat accordingly. The 35-1 cockpit, like others, drains forward. I always make sure Touche' is blocked level or slightly bow down. Also, just as a note, the 35-1 has 4 cockpit scupper drains. Two of them are in the aft steering station which is separated from the rest of the cockpit by a bulkhead. These two drain exit at or slightly above the waterline when the boat is floating on its lines. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Through hull valves are required since they are below the waterline. This way you can control flooding if the hose fails. They also facilitate hose replacement while the boat is in the water. Josh On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 1:22 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: > John, Josh, Andrew, et al... While I fully agree with all of the > statements about making sure the cockpit drains are always open, it got me > to thinking, so why do they put seacocks on them in the first place? The > only thing I can think of is if you're in the middle of the ocean and need > a bath? > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -Original Message- > From: John and Maryann Read via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: John and Maryann Read > Sent: Sun, Dec 30, 2018 10:24 am > Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – > otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is > there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen > valves. Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just > too hard to get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I > should get them working but just have never gotten around to it. > > The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass > rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup > next to fuel tank in starboard locker. Easy to get to and easy to get > grease into tube. > > My 2 cents American > > > John and Maryann > Legacy III > 1982 C 34 > Noank, CT > > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
John, Josh, Andrew, et al... While I fully agree with all of the statements
about making sure the cockpit drains are always open, it got me to thinking, so
why do they put seacocks on them in the first place? The only thing I can
think of is if you're in the middle of the ocean and need a bath?
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255
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Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not –
otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is
there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen valves.
Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to
get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I should get them
working but just have never gotten around to it. The rusted bolt is where the
grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine
with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker.
Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube. My 2 cents American John
and MaryannLegacy III1982 C 34Noank, CT
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I am the 2nd owner of a 1984 C 32 and have sailed her for 14 yrs and never had reason to close the cockpit drains and as mine were stuck when purchased I assume the previous owner never closed them. Make sure the hose and connections are good and forget it. I would be more concerned with the rudder grease cap as it is more important to keep the rudder shaft greased. I have no experience there as mine are in good condition. I would suggest starting with some rust remover treatment and then liquid wrench or DL at the cap junction and then a thin pliers on the inner shaft and a larger one on the outer cup rim and try to free the cap. If it was ever greased it just might turn. I think that the entire assembly is either screwed or glassed into the rudder shaft but not sure so hold on to the inner shaft with the thin pliers when cranking the outer cap and only apply the pliers to the rim of the outer shell ( forward end ) or you will deform the shell. Good luck John C 32 Arpeggio Norwalk,CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sender via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sender Subject: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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I only ever operate my cockpit drains to make sure they still move. They are open otherwise. One jammed and when the boat was on the hard, I plugged the thru-hull from underneath and poured some Marvel Mystery Oil down the drain. The next day I pulled the lug, drained the oil, and the valve worked again :) Joe Coquina C 35 MK I On 12/30/2018 10:25 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List wrote: Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen valves. Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I should get them working but just have never gotten around to it. The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker. Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube. My 2 cents American John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen valves. Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I should get them working but just have never gotten around to it. The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker. Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube. My 2 cents American John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sender via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sender Subject: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving them open. I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. > (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) > > When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side > mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken > apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful > persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could > > Thanks > > Peter > C 40 aft 1983 > Portland me > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is > aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! > Andy > > Andrew Burton > 139 Tuckerman Ave > Middletown, RI > USA02842 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when > not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those > below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not > be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I > suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above > the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through > hulls. > > Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and > starboard. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List > wrote: > >> I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out >> is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. >> This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast >> of BC. >> >> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, >> and had success freeing it up. >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA >> >> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" >> panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably >> accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have >> to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. >> >> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, >> was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> C 32 Sirocco 2 >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could Thanks Peter C 40 aft 1983 Portland me Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List > wrote: > > Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is > aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! > Andy > > Andrew Burton > 139 Tuckerman Ave > Middletown, RI > USA02842 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > >> On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not >> in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the >> water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. >> Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking >> for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, >> without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. >> >> Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and >> starboard. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is >>> the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This >>> boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of >>> BC. >>> >>> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, >>> and had success freeing it up. >>> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA >>> >>> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel >>> in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd >>> just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through >>> the locker and remove the fuel tank. >>> >>> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, >>> was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>> C 32 Sirocco 2 >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA02842 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > wrote: > > That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not > in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the > water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. > Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking > for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, > without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. > > Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and > starboard. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List >> wrote: >> I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is >> the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This >> boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. >> >> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and >> had success freeing it up. >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA >> >> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel >> in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd >> just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through >> the locker and remove the fuel tank. >> >> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) >> a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> C 32 Sirocco 2 >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
The 32’s are crossed (or are originally). The old barrel style seacocks are a pain in the a$$, but can be disassembled. I have one now myself to do (head intake). I have been told that the square headed screw showing in your picture can be replaced by a zerc (so?) fitting to make lubing easier in the future. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall,MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 5:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and starboard. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and starboard. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List wrote: > I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out > is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. > This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast > of BC. > > I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, > and had success freeing it up. > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA > > The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" > panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably > accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have > to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. > > The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, > was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? > > Thanks, > Eric > C 32 Sirocco 2 > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
