Stus-List Covid 19 update

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I hope they are taking responsibility for anything that happens to the boats!

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

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Read via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John and Maryann Read 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Covid 19 update

Just got notice our yard (Fort Rachel) prohibits anyone from entering their 
property – including boat owners.  Owners are directed to not board their boats 
until further notice

Cheers


John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT

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Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

https://portal.ct.gov/Coronavirus for article. "Stay Home, Stay Safe".

Has  more to do with the statewide lockdown / quarantine that went into effect 
at 8:00 last night.  Similar to the banks not allowing folks inside a branch.  
Boat yards are considered essential businesses so can stay open.  Idea is to 
keep folks at home and also to protect the yard employees.  Received a similar 
notice from another area yard

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Yup.  I replaced the fuel sending unit.  Calibrated 5 gals at a time (20 gal. 
tank), still don’t trust it.   Below ¼ add fuel.  Added a 15 gallon bladder 
that I fill the main tank with via fuel pump.  Attempted recalibration again 
this year.  Dunno results.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

I ran out of fuel 2x last season expecting 40G.  At each refill, once after a 
humiliating tow and another in our home harbor with a dinghy to the dock and a 
Jerry can run, the tank would only take ~25G.
Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660



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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:00:00 -0400
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To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
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I've had mine out.  It is as simple as unscrewing the fitting coming off
the top of the tank.  It was just a straight translucent white plastic tube
extending down about 11.5 inches from the top plain of the tank.  The end
is cut at a slight angle and there is no filter or screen.

What is your indication of "running out"?

My fuel gage stops responding at about 1/4 tank and I believe that the
level sensor arm is bottoming out on a tank baffle so as to prevent it from
lowering fully.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Spicer’s Marina, which is just up the road has closed their store, but the 
marina is still open for owners and they are still launching boats.  Dave


> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:15 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just got notice our yard (Fort Rachel) prohibits anyone from entering their 
> property – including boat owners.  Owners are directed to not board their 
> boats until further notice
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
>  
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I don't trust our fuel gauge either. I log engine hours and I know our
average fuel consumption per hour.  That lets me know how much fuel we need
at any time.  Works quite well, and is always confirmed when we refill the
fuel tank, how much we took compared to what I calculated it would take.

Ken H.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 08:55, David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yup.  I replaced the fuel sending unit.  Calibrated 5 gals at a time (20
> gal. tank), still don’t trust it.   Below ¼ add fuel.  Added a 15 gallon
> bladder that I fill the main tank with via fuel pump.  Attempted
> recalibration again this year.  Dunno results.
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Buscaglia via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:09 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Tom Buscaglia 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
>
>
>
> I ran out of fuel 2x last season expecting 40G.  At each refill, once
> after a humiliating tow and another in our home harbor with a dinghy to the
> dock and a Jerry can run, the tank would only take ~25G.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
>
> S/V Alera
>
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>
> Vashon WA
>
> P 206.463.9200
>
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 5:30 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:00:00 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
>
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I've had mine out.  It is as simple as unscrewing the fitting coming off
> the top of the tank.  It was just a straight translucent white plastic tube
> extending down about 11.5 inches from the top plain of the tank.  The end
> is cut at a slight angle and there is no filter or screen.
>
> What is your indication of "running out"?
>
> My fuel gage stops responding at about 1/4 tank and I believe that the
> level sensor arm is bottoming out on a tank baffle so as to prevent it from
> lowering fully.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My marina will take a check under the door LOL. I am not sure if they will sell 
fuel or not, I usually bring it down in a jug myself from the gas station.
This may be an issue for a 2 week trip we have planned for May. Might have to 
load up with everything we need before we cast off!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of David Knecht via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:57 AM
To: CnC discussion list CnC 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update

Spicer’s Marina, which is just up the road has closed their store, but the 
marina is still open for owners and they are still launching boats.  Dave



On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:15 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Just got notice our yard (Fort Rachel) prohibits anyone from entering their 
property – including boat owners.  Owners are directed to not board their boats 
until further notice

Cheers


John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT


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Stus-List Fuel gauge calibration

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

See tanksinc.com for an inexpensive ($69) fuel gauge calibration unit. It can 
be used for 4 calibration points and allows you to calibrate the amount of fuel 
in the tank (independent of fuel tank shape) to the gauge. Since our tanks are 
often not rectangular in all 3 dimensions, any sensor that relies on depth of 
fuel in the tank is at best an approximation.
Apparently this gauge calibrator changes the resistance (reported by the sender 
to the gauge). Thus, you set the gauge to empty when the fuel is just at the 
pick-up, set it to 1/4 when you know the tank is 1/4 full, set it to 1/2 full 
when you know the tank is 1/2 full, etc. for 3/4 tank and full tank. It 
requires 12 volts but has battery to store the calibration points I think--have 
not installed it yet.
FWIW--especially for those who care about the fuel in their tank and can't (or 
won't) keep up with the hours and gallons/hour, etc. 
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb




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Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Anybody found a good app to track fuel usage by engine hours?  Most of the
ones I've looked at track by mileage not engine hours.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel gauge calibration

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Did that manually and still not trusted...

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


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CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:34:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel gauge calibration

See tanksinc.com for an inexpensive ($69) fuel gauge calibration unit. It can 
be used for 4 calibration points and allows you to calibrate the amount of fuel 
in the tank (independent of fuel tank shape) to the gauge. Since our tanks are 
often not rectangular in all 3 dimensions, any sensor that relies on depth of 
fuel in the tank is at best an approximation.

Apparently this gauge calibrator changes the resistance (reported by the sender 
to the gauge). Thus, you set the gauge to empty when the fuel is just at the 
pick-up, set it to 1/4 when you know the tank is 1/4 full, set it to 1/2 full 
when you know the tank is 1/2 full, etc. for 3/4 tank and full tank. It 
requires 12 volts but has battery to store the calibration points I think--have 
not installed it yet.

FWIW--especially for those who care about the fuel in their tank and can't (or 
won't) keep up with the hours and gallons/hour, etc.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb





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Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Are you talking about a phone app? It is simple division, miles traveled and 
gallons used gives MPG or hours run and gallons used gives GPH. You can 
substitute hours for miles no problem.
Not sure why you need an app for that though??
An actual device to measure fuel used is an amazing thing and vastly superior 
to a gas gauge. I use them flying frequently and the best ones tie to the GPS 
to give you a NMPG reading and set off an alarm if you won’t make the next 
waypoint with enough fuel. They all will show gallons used, gallons remaining, 
and instantaneous GPH.
The problems for our boats are twofold:

1.  A diesel has a return line, so you need two sensors to keep track of 
actual fuel used.

2.  Our engines burn so little fuel that many totalizers will fail to read 
correctly. If it is designed for say 0-100 GPH, it might be quite inaccurate in 
the pint to quart to half gallon an hour range.

Joe
Coquina
* one more thing, they rely on accurate user input of gallons added. Air Canada 
famously ran a jet out of fuel because the fuel gauges were broken and they 
relied on the totalizer. They ordered say 3,000 gallons and got 3,000 liters or 
similar, programmed in the larger incorrect number, and ran out with no warning.

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:58 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Anybody found a good app to track fuel usage by engine hours?  Most of the ones 
I've looked at track by mileage not engine hours.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yes, a phone app.

I currently, like several of us on the list, track fuel usage manually.
Every gallon of fuel Touche' has used for the last 15+ years has been
dutifully logged with the date, amount, location, fill up (yes/no), the
knotlog miles and the engine hours.  Another column lists the gallons per
hour manually calculated.  I calculate long term average gallons per hour
as well as gallons per hour for individual trips.  Any deviation of
individual trip GPH from long term average GPH could indicate an engine
problem, dirty bottom, problem with propeller, etc.

So far I have resisted the urge to do a spreadsheet for all that.

I just thought it would be nice to have a phone app that did most if not
all of that.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA






On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:46 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Are you talking about a phone app? It is simple division, miles traveled
> and gallons used gives MPG or hours run and gallons used gives GPH. You can
> substitute hours for miles no problem.
>
> Not sure why you need an app for that though??
>
> An actual device to measure fuel used is an amazing thing and vastly
> superior to a gas gauge. I use them flying frequently and the best ones tie
> to the GPS to give you a NMPG reading and set off an alarm if you won’t
> make the next waypoint with enough fuel. They all will show gallons used,
> gallons remaining, and instantaneous GPH.
>
> The problems for our boats are twofold:
>
> 1.  A diesel has a return line, so you need two sensors to keep track
> of actual fuel used.
>
> 2.  Our engines burn so little fuel that many totalizers will fail to
> read correctly. If it is designed for say 0-100 GPH, it might be quite
> inaccurate in the pint to quart to half gallon an hour range.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> * one more thing, they rely on accurate user input of gallons added. Air
> Canada famously ran a jet out of fuel because the fuel gauges were broken
> and they relied on the totalizer. They ordered say 3,000 gallons and got
> 3,000 liters or similar, programmed in the larger incorrect number, and ran
> out with no warning.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Dennis C.
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:58 AM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel tracker app
>
>
>
> Anybody found a good app to track fuel usage by engine hours?  Most of the
> ones I've looked at track by mileage not engine hours.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly important 
safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at cruising 
speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel consumption 
in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I know that if I 
run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel will give out 
sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank because with 5 extra 
gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine is easy and a handy 
skill to possess.
One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube and 
a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good handle 
on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on Masquerade 
soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight tube; 
basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and another at 
the top directly above and connect them with a clear or translucent hose. 
Simple and elegant.
The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank Tender.
Good luck
Andy
Masquerade
Currently in Oxford, MD
Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[David Risch via CnC-List]

So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent 
"catchers"  or some other arrangement?

Thanks.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Andrew Burton via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:28:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly important 
safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at cruising 
speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel consumption 
in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I know that if I 
run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel will give out 
sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank because with 5 extra 
gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine is easy and a handy 
skill to possess.
One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube and 
a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good handle 
on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on Masquerade 
soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight tube; 
basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and another at 
the top directly above and connect them with a clear or translucent hose. 
Simple and elegant.
The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank Tender.
Good luck
Andy
Masquerade
Currently in Oxford, MD
Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

My gauge works somewhat, although it reads just over 3/4 when full, and
I've never run it empty, and have topped it off when the gauge reads 1/4
(only happened once). The gauge is old an of unknown make, so I will
probably replace it at some point, but I like the idea of a dipstick. Easy
to do, as the tank sticks out a few inches into the stbd locker, so I could
easily drill another hole in the large 1/4" aluminum plate were all the
fittings are. A brass plug from a pencil zinc would work perfectly for an
easy to use stick holder that could be sealed to prevent leaks, and I
probably have all the pieces on hand already...  Thanks for the idea!

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 3:29 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly
> important safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at
> cruising speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel
> consumption in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I
> know that if I run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my
> fuel will give out sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my
> tank because with 5 extra gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the
> engine is easy and a handy skill to possess.
> One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a
> tube and a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a
> good handle on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank
> on Masquerade soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a
> sight tube; basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank
> and another at the top directly above and connect them with a clear or
> translucent hose. Simple and elegant.
> The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where
> you pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a
> Tank Tender.
> Good luck
> Andy
> Masquerade
> Currently in Oxford, MD
> Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> www.burtonsailing.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

:( wow  bummer!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 23, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:


Newport Bermuda is cancelled.

Joel

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:37 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Ouch.  Not right.

Chuck S
On March 23, 2020 at 8:15 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Just got notice our yard (Fort Rachel) prohibits anyone from entering their 
property – including boat owners.  Owners are directed to not board their boats 
until further notice



Cheers





John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT



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