Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I love my C&C but if I had enough money, and my wife was into it, we'd have a 
really good time with a catamaran.

Catamarans;  Check out a couple of world travellers who have logged thousands 
of miles on multihulls before trading up to catamarans;

Checkout YouTube.com
"sailing la vagabonde" is an Australian couple who have crossed the Atlantic 
three times in their 45 footer.  Presently in the Azores.

"sailing Zatara" is a Texas family of five presently sailing the Pacific 
islands on a 58 footer. They are in Figi.

There are episodes of stormy weather but you have to hunt to find them between 
all the hiking, sightseeing,  kiteboarding and SUP and surfing and diving 
episodes.

A big catamaran is like two monhulls with a bridgedeck so it's gonna cost twice 
what a monohull would cost.  But there's no lead ballast, so they don't need as 
much sail area to get going.  I would think it is easier to find dockage for a 
50 ft cat, than for an 80 ft monohull, and one person can reef the smaller 
mainsail.


Chuck S




> On 01/04/2021 4:41 PM David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> I agree with everything Joe said.  We chartered a cat once in the 
> Caribbean and never again.  It was great for accommodations and deck space 
> for toys, but completely removed the “sailing” aspect of the trip.  It was 
> like I imagine driving an RV would be.  Yuck!  Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>  
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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Joe,

First, I have a Harken carbo ratchet block and like it.  It's probably a
HAR 2135.  I find it most useful when unfurling the headsail.  I use it
primarily to keep tension on the furling line so it coils tightly on the
drum.

Second, ratchet blocks work best when the turning angle is about 90
degrees.  If a configuration can't approach that, the ratchet block is
essentially useless.

Having said that and to answer your question, you don't need one.  I could
easily use a wrap or two on a secondary winch and achieve the same benefit
as a ratchet block.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 12:04 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good to know, that will save some boat bucks. The manual states the
> warranty is void if you don’t use a rachet, but that timed out anyway about
> 1988 or so.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

+1 on that

Marek

From: MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List
Sent: 4 January, 2021 18:17
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: MICHAEL BRANNON 
Subject: Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

I find the ratchet more useful when furling the sail.   Just a thought.


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List]

I find the ratchet more useful when furling the sail.   Just a thought.   


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA




> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was out sailing Saturday and as I haven’t got around to buying a new rachet 
> block yet, I bypassed it and just grabbed the furling line as it exited the 
> next most forward block.
> I have to say it worked quite well and I am not sure I need a rachet block. I 
> think the whole reason for it is to prevent the jib from unfurling too fast. 
> I never ever just let it go, so maybe this is something I can do without? I 
> have plenty of regular blocks sitting around.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina 
> C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA
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Stus-List Re: Emergency TIller

[MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List]

John,  Did you try South Shore Yachts?   If you can’t find one let me know and 
I’ll get an estimate to have one made.  

Happy New Year,


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA




> On Dec 31, 2020, at 11:06 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I need an emergency tiller for my 1979 36-1. My bot did not come 
> with one. I have access to one from a club members 36-1 that I can get 
> replicated but it will be pricey. Does anyone have an extra or know of a 
> source that has the casting for the rudder fitting? Thanks!
>  
> John McCrea
> Talisman
> 1979 36-1 Hull 113
> Mystic, CT
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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I agree with everything Joe said.  We chartered a cat once in the Caribbean and 
never again.  It was great for accommodations and deck space for toys, but 
completely removed the “sailing” aspect of the trip.  It was like I imagine 
driving an RV would be.  Yuck!  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT




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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Richard,

I’ve never chartered a sailboat but I’ve worked at a bazillion boat shows and 
the vast majority of new boat buyers are looking more towards interior space 
rather than sail ability.  Perhaps the perception of owning a sailboat that 
doesn’t heel over is a confidence builder.  I guess to the uninitiated they 
appear to be less “claustrophobic” with wide open spaces everywhere on the boat 
(ok, the berths can be rather tight on the smaller models, but no less so than 
a quarter berth on a C&C 35).  Looking too at how the cats are laid out, 
there’s push button EVERYTHING from sail trim to halyards, hydraulic steering 
with no feedback.  Basically it’s a powerboat with a stick in the middle and a 
large living room.  The further south you go, the greater the percentage of 
Catamarans at the show, probably because it is hard to find slips up north that 
are wide enough to accommodate a cat.

One of the best stories I have regarding folks checking out a catamaran at the 
boat show went as follows: I was down below in one of the staterooms when a 
couple looking at the boat came across one of the round escape ports on the 
inboard side of one of the  hulls.  If you haven’t seen one, they’re designed 
so if the boat capsizes and overturns while you’re in the hull, you can get out 
through one of these waterproof hatches.   So the lady looking at the boat 
asked her husband what the round window with the handles was for and the yacht 
broker’s response was “It’s the washing machine…”..

 

That about says it all.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padnaram, MA

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 3:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

 

I'll start with an apology; it's not specifically C&C related; and I have no 
wish to start a general debate; my question...I see lots and lots of catamaran 
ads and apparently Sail Magazine thinks monohulls have been mothballed...: what 
is the appeal of these boats I recognize their added space as appealing to 
first-time group charter types; but heard that these boats are difficult sail; 
hard to get them moving and even more difficult to tack; perhaps not an issue 
in crossing a big lake or ocean, but could be a deal breaker in close quarters; 

When I look at the boats featured in the ads all see is a big 1970s Station 
wagon...(how's that for a frame of reference);

So, someone enlighten me on this; why are they so popular even with prices of 
half a million? 

(I have not sailed on one and not planning on getting one-it's winter and I'm 
just curious)

Many thanks...;

 

PS: I understand that C&C actually did make a few Cats in the 790s...so it is 
C&C related after all!

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

 

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

FANTASTIC charter boats! We had a Privilege 39 that had 4 double-berth cabins 
at 4 corners of the boat. Everyone gets their own cabin without it being a 
passage between one part of the boat and another. HUGE amount of room on deck 
and in the cockpit. We had 6 aboard and felt like we had plenty of space for 
all and could have taken 8 no problem. They are stable at anchor, which is nice 
too. The shallow draft is another fun thing, we would come into an anchorage 
and get past all the anchored monohulls and anchor between them and the beach. 
Twin engines is another cool thing, the boat can spin in place in her own 
length – which is a good thing, the turning circle with just rudders is huge!

Well how did she sail? THAT is the C&C question and definitely a mixed bag. 
First off, no steering feel whatsoever with the hydraulic steering. Absent the 
rudder angle indicator I would have had no idea what was going on. “Feel” 
overall is missing, we got a sheet with wind speed vs. amount to reef. We 
thought it a Band-Aid for n00bs until we noticed the total lack of feel. The 
other thing we learned besides the piece of paper was to reef whenever rudder 
angle hit 20 degrees. Compared to a C&C it was like going from a Ferrari to 
dump truck. The dump truck is a fast truck though, we were usually in the 9-12 
knot range. THAT was nice 😊  We could beat the charter monos we found, even to 
windward. They sail like pigs too and we at least were a fast pig close 
reaching at almost twice their speed to make up for wide tacks.

Downsides:

Expensive

Good luck finding a slip for a boat 20 feet wide

Can capsize

Some will then sink, other not so much

Did I mention expensive?

Totally lacking in C&C feel

Hurricane winds can pick them up! I was glad sailing through hurricane Charlie 
that other issues aside, the boat was going to stay in the water no matter what.

Did I say they cost a lot?

Now here is a big one for me – when the weather goes to crap. Our last day was 
a big storm blowing up to 50 and we had a ways to get back to the charter base. 
We had to head straight upwind and it was twin diesels, no way was sailing 
going to work. SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM basically like driving your car off a cliff 
every 45 seconds for several hours.

Note our boat was much more of a sailor than the gross sort-of-maybe-a-sailboat 
charter pigs I have seen out lately and also note VERY much faster cats and 
tris exist that will never see a charter fleet*. I personally have been on a 
Condor 40 trimaran sailing at 25 knots in armchair comfort.

*iron law of cat physics – a fast one is a dangerous one, idiot proof ones by 
design are slower. Ours would have sucked in light air, but we didn’t really 
have much light air. 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 3:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

 

I'll start with an apology; it's not specifically C&C related; and I have no 
wish to start a general debate; my question...I see lots and lots of catamaran 
ads and apparently Sail Magazine thinks monohulls have been mothballed...: what 
is the appeal of these boats I recognize their added space as appealing to 
first-time group charter types; but heard that these boats are difficult sail; 
hard to get them moving and even more difficult to tack; perhaps not an issue 
in crossing a big lake or ocean, but could be a deal breaker in close quarters; 

When I look at the boats featured in the ads all see is a big 1970s Station 
wagon...(how's that for a frame of reference);

So, someone enlighten me on this; why are they so popular even with prices of 
half a million? 

(I have not sailed on one and not planning on getting one-it's winter and I'm 
just curious)

Many thanks...;

 

PS: I understand that C&C actually did make a few Cats in the 790s...so it is 
C&C related after all!

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

 

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 I'll start with an apology; it's not specifically C&C related; and I have no 
wish to start a general debate; my question...I see lots and lots of catamaran 
ads and apparently Sail Magazine thinks monohulls have been mothballed...: what 
is the appeal of these boats I recognize their added space as appealing to 
first-time group charter types; but heard that these boats are difficult sail; 
hard to get them moving and even more difficult to tack; perhaps not an issue 
in crossing a big lake or ocean, but could be a deal breaker in close quarters; 
When I look at the boats featured in the ads all see is a big 1970s Station 
wagon...(how's that for a frame of reference);So, someone enlighten me on this; 
why are they so popular even with prices of half a million? 
(I have not sailed on one and not planning on getting one-it's winter and I'm 
just curious)Many thanks...;

PS: I understand that C&C actually did make a few Cats in the 790s...so it is 
C&C related after all!

Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255
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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I will be a contrarian and say that I like to have it there.

In fact, I added a ratchet block last season and I like it.

It helps if you are shorthanded and you need to roll the jib with one hand and 
release the jib sheet with the other. This helps in orderly furling the jib, 
especially, when it is blowing.

I sailed without it for 14 years, so obviously it is not required. But it is 
quite handy.

Happy New Year to everyone

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa On


 Original message 
From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
Date: 2021-01-04 12:38 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Conklin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

Confirming have no use
If it’s really blowing I have a big barrier there which I’ll take one wrap 
around

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat

On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:


Joe

Happy New Year!
I'm jealous you got out!
No, you don't need a ratchet block,  Most people I know who have them don't use 
the ratchet.

Joel

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On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:59 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I was out sailing Saturday and as I haven’t got around to buying a new rachet 
block yet, I bypassed it and just grabbed the furling line as it exited the 
next most forward block.
I have to say it worked quite well and I am not sure I need a rachet block. I 
think the whole reason for it is to prevent the jib from unfurling too fast. I 
never ever just let it go, so maybe this is something I can do without? I have 
plenty of regular blocks sitting around.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA
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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Agreed, I don't find it necessary. I have a nice Harken ratchet block that
was given to me, but never bothered to install it, as I just tail the
furling line by hand, sometimes with a bend on a spare winch if it's
breezy, and it works fine. I was waiting to get a second ratchet for the
other furler, but now I will probably not bother. I might add cam cleats
for easier partial furling; although we rarely do that, when things do get
breezy it would be nice to keep things a bit more tidy. With two sets of
foresail sheets and two furling lines, and now a mainsheet moved from
cabintop to blocks on the traveller, the cockpit can get messy in a hurry.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:04 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good to know, that will save some boat bucks. The manual states the
> warranty is void if you don’t use a rachet, but that timed out anyway about
> 1988 or so.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 12:03 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> I'm jealous you got out!
>
> No, you don't need a ratchet block,  Most people I know who have them
> don't use the ratchet.
>
>
>
> Joel
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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

My boat came with a ratchet block. One time I didn't have the ratchet on,
and I let the sail unfurl too quickly. The furling line wrapped around the
reel very loosely, and when I tried to furl at the end of the day, the
furling line (1/4") jammed in the reel. It's something you don't want to do.

Alan


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9:03 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe
>
> Happy New Year!
> I'm jealous you got out!
> No, you don't need a ratchet block,  Most people I know who have them
> don't use the ratchet.
>
> Joel
>
>
> 
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> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:59 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I was out sailing Saturday and as I haven’t got around to buying a new
>> rachet block yet, I bypassed it and just grabbed the furling line as it
>> exited the next most forward block.
>>
>> I have to say it worked quite well and I am not sure I need a rachet
>> block. I think the whole reason for it is to prevent the jib from unfurling
>> too fast. I never ever just let it go, so maybe this is something I can do
>> without? I have plenty of regular blocks sitting around.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Joe Della Barba*
>>
>> *Coquina *
>>
>> *C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA*
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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Good to know, that will save some boat bucks. The manual states the warranty is 
void if you don’t use a rachet, but that timed out anyway about 1988 or so.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 12:03 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

 

Joe

 

Happy New Year!

I'm jealous you got out!

No, you don't need a ratchet block,  Most people I know who have them don't use 
the ratchet.

 

Joel

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Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Confirming have no use 
If it’s really blowing I have a big barrier there which I’ll take one wrap 
around

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon 
S/V Heartbeat

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> Happy New Year!
> I'm jealous you got out!
> No, you don't need a ratchet block,  Most people I know who have them don't 
> use the ratchet.
> 
> Joel
> 
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> 
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:59 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I was out sailing Saturday and as I haven’t got around to buying a new 
>> rachet block yet, I bypassed it and just grabbed the furling line as it 
>> exited the next most forward block.
>> 
>> I have to say it worked quite well and I am not sure I need a rachet block. 
>> I think the whole reason for it is to prevent the jib from unfurling too 
>> fast. I never ever just let it go, so maybe this is something I can do 
>> without? I have plenty of regular blocks sitting around.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>> C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
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Stus-List Re: C&C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Thanks for clarifying, Bob.

 

From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 11:54 AM
To: Stus-List ; JohnKelly Cuthbertson 

Cc: Robert Mazza 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

 

Apologies to all. In the second sentence of this long email I referred to 
George Cuthbertson turning over C&C design responsibilities to Bob Ball. That 
should, of course, be Rob Ball. I don't know why I did not catch that error 
sooner! 

 

Rob Mazza

 

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 12:27 PM Robert Mazza mailto:robertlma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Everyone,

 

Perhaps now is a good time for a quick update on the Marine Museum of the Great 
Lakes at Kingston and the drawing collections. As JohnKelly and others have 
been discussing, the museum holds the drawing collections of George 
Cuthbertson, from the early drawings of his youth to 1973 when George handed 
over design responsibilities to Bob Ball and the C&C Design Group, of which I 
was a member from 1969 to 1985. (I have been a member of the Board of Directors 
of the Marine Museum since 2012). These drawings were graciously donated to the 
museum by George himself. George  also sat on the Board of Directors of the 
museum for a number of years. In the early 2000s Tim Jacket generously donated 
a large portion of the C&C drawings dating from 1973 to 1996 to the Marine 
Museum. These drawings had been acquired by Tim and Tartan Marine when Tartan 
purchased the assets of C&C Yachts in 1996. A couple of years after Tim's 
initial donation of drawings, I dropped in on Tim and Tartan to further explore 
their dusty mezzanine to look for more drawings, and found about 30 rolls that 
Tim was unable to deliver in his previous trip north. These, incidentally, 
included the Evergreen and Mega drawings, among others. Although I catalogued 
these drawings prior to delivering them to the museum, subsequent events may 
not have allowed all of them to be entered into the computer system. I still 
have about 10 rolls of drawings that I picked up from Tartan, and about 15 
rolls that I received from Rob MacLachlan at South Shore before he closed his 
operation. Unfortunately, time constraints and challenges at the Marine Museum 
have prevented me from cataloguing these drawings (as I think JohnKelly pointed 
out, cataloguing drawings is an exceedingly tedious undertaking!)  In addition 
to the Cuthbertson and C&C drawing collections, the museum also holds George 
Hinterhoeller's drawings, graciously donated to the museum by his son Richard 
Hinterhoeller. The other sailing collection the museum holds are blueprints, 
photos and drawings by the early 20th Century Canadian yacht designer TBF 
Benson. Of Course, the museum also holds about 40,000 ships plans, including 
the entire archives of the Montreal naval architecture firm German and Milne, 
as well as the archives of Canada Steamship Lines and all the shipyards with 
which they were associated. Needless to say, the total drawing collections of 
the museum are massive! So that's the background on the drawing collection. 

 

With regard to the Marine Museum itself, I'm sure everyone is aware that the 
museum was evicted from their waterfront property (that property included the 
historic dry-dock) in 2016 when the Canadian Federal government of the day sold 
our property to a private developer. That individual took advantage of a 
provision in our lease agreement with the government to insist we vacate the 
property in 120 days. The City of Kingston eventually provided storage space 
for the archives (including the drawings) and artifacts, as well as a small 
"store front" office location for the museum in Portsmouth Olympic Harbour, 
site of the 1976 Olympic sailing events. Our fortunes increased significantly 
last year when a generous benefactor donated enough money to the museum to 
allow us to buy our former property (including the dry-dock) back from the 
developer who had done nothing with the property over that three year period. 
Our plan is to repair the damage done by three years of vandalism and neglect, 
and at least move our offices back on the property this spring (Covid 
permitting). In the meantime the museum's sailing and C&C collections were 
further enhanced last year with the bequest of the legendary Red Jacket  to the 
Marine Museum by the late Peter Milligan. In addition the Museum has agreed to 
accept a 1949 Greavette Int'l 14' Dinghy and a 1965 McCutheon built Kirby III 
Int'l Fourteen. Both are in immaculate condition. There is a long term plan to 
expand and enlarge the museum over the next 5 years, as well as the possibility 
of acquiring another Museum Ship to occupy the dry-dock. In the meantime, the 
museum is in the process of upgrading their website 
(https://www.marmuseum.ca/). Our goal is to provide a virtual (and eventually a 
physical) home for the Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame, (which is managed by the 
Marine Museum, working with Sail Canada), initi

Stus-List Re: rachet block for Harken furler

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe

Happy New Year!
I'm jealous you got out!
No, you don't need a ratchet block,  Most people I know who have them don't
use the ratchet.

Joel


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On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:59 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was out sailing Saturday and as I haven’t got around to buying a new
> rachet block yet, I bypassed it and just grabbed the furling line as it
> exited the next most forward block.
>
> I have to say it worked quite well and I am not sure I need a rachet
> block. I think the whole reason for it is to prevent the jib from unfurling
> too fast. I never ever just let it go, so maybe this is something I can do
> without? I have plenty of regular blocks sitting around.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina *
>
> *C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA*
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Stus-List rachet block for Harken furler

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I was out sailing Saturday and as I haven’t got around to buying a new rachet 
block yet, I bypassed it and just grabbed the furling line as it exited the 
next most forward block.
I have to say it worked quite well and I am not sure I need a rachet block. I 
think the whole reason for it is to prevent the jib from unfurling too fast. I 
never ever just let it go, so maybe this is something I can do without? I have 
plenty of regular blocks sitting around.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA
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Stus-List Re: C&C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Apologies to all. In the second sentence of this long email I referred to
George Cuthbertson turning over C&C design responsibilities to Bob Ball.
That should, of course, be *Rob* Ball. I don't know why I did not catch
that error sooner!

Rob Mazza

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 12:27 PM Robert Mazza  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Perhaps now is a good time for a quick update on the Marine Museum of the
> Great Lakes at Kingston and the drawing collections. As JohnKelly and
> others have been discussing, the museum holds the drawing collections of
> George Cuthbertson, from the early drawings of his youth to 1973 when
> George handed over design responsibilities to Bob Ball and the C&C Design
> Group, of which I was a member from 1969 to 1985. (I have been a member of
> the Board of Directors of the Marine Museum since 2012). These drawings
> were graciously donated to the museum by George himself. George  also sat
> on the Board of Directors of the museum for a number of years. In the early
> 2000s Tim Jacket generously donated a large portion of the C&C drawings
> dating from 1973 to 1996 to the Marine Museum. These drawings had been
> acquired by Tim and Tartan Marine when Tartan purchased the assets of C&C
> Yachts in 1996. A couple of years after Tim's initial donation of drawings,
> I dropped in on Tim and Tartan to further explore their dusty mezzanine to
> look for more drawings, and found about 30 rolls that Tim was unable to
> deliver in his previous trip north. These, incidentally, included the 
> *Evergreen
> *and Mega drawings, among others. Although I catalogued these drawings
> prior to delivering them to the museum, subsequent events may not have
> allowed all of them to be entered into the computer system. I still have
> about 10 rolls of drawings that I picked up from Tartan, and about 15 rolls
> that I received from Rob MacLachlan at South Shore before he closed his
> operation. Unfortunately, time constraints and challenges at the Marine
> Museum have prevented me from cataloguing these drawings (as I think
> JohnKelly pointed out, cataloguing drawings is an exceedingly tedious
> undertaking!)  In addition to the Cuthbertson and C&C drawing collections,
> the museum also holds George Hinterhoeller's drawings, graciously donated
> to the museum by his son Richard Hinterhoeller. The other sailing
> collection the museum holds are blueprints, photos and drawings by the
> early 20th Century Canadian yacht designer TBF Benson. Of Course, the
> museum also holds about 40,000 ships plans, including the
> entire archives of the Montreal naval architecture firm German and Milne,
> as well as the archives of Canada Steamship Lines and all the shipyards
> with which they were associated. Needless to say, the total drawing
> collections of the museum are massive! So that's the background on the
> drawing collection.
>
> With regard to the Marine Museum itself, I'm sure everyone is aware that
> the museum was evicted from their waterfront property (that property
> included the historic dry-dock) in 2016 when the Canadian Federal
> government of the day sold our property to a private developer. That
> individual took advantage of a provision in our lease agreement with the
> government to insist we vacate the property in 120 days. The City of
> Kingston eventually provided storage space for the archives (including the
> drawings) and artifacts, as well as a small "store front" office location
> for the museum in Portsmouth Olympic Harbour, site of the 1976 Olympic
> sailing events. Our fortunes increased significantly last year when a
> generous benefactor donated enough money to the museum to allow us to buy
> our former property (including the dry-dock) back from the developer who
> had done nothing with the property over that three year period. Our plan is
> to repair the damage done by three years of vandalism and neglect, and at
> least move our offices back on the property this spring (Covid permitting).
> In the meantime the museum's sailing and C&C collections were further
> enhanced last year with the bequest of the legendary *Red Jacket * to the
> Marine Museum by the late Peter Milligan. In addition the Museum has agreed
> to accept a 1949 Greavette Int'l 14' Dinghy and a 1965 McCutheon built
> Kirby III Int'l Fourteen. Both are in immaculate condition. There is a long
> term plan to expand and enlarge the museum over the next 5 years, as well
> as the possibility of acquiring another Museum Ship to occupy the dry-dock.
> In the meantime, the museum is in the process of upgrading their website (
> https://www.marmuseum.ca/). Our goal is to provide a virtual (and
> eventually a physical) home for the Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame, (which
> is managed by the Marine Museum, working with Sail Canada), initiate a web
> based Register of Historic Canadian Sailing Craft, and make the
> Cuthbertson, C&C Yachts, and Hinterhoeller drawings more easily accessible
> online. However, these upgrades to the websit

Stus-List Re: Vendee Globe strategy

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Well, that didn't work for Dalin.  :)

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 9:16 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Might be interesting to watch the leaders' strategies now.
>
> Looks like Besthaven wants to head well east to catch the southerlies from
> a big high pressure system in the mid southern Atlantic.
>
> Dalin, on the other hand, might be angling more northward to utilize a
> couple of small low pressure systems just off the coast of Argentina.
>
> I think I like Dalin's strategy if, indeed, that's what he's doing.
>
> https://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/tracking-map
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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