Stus-List Re: Dodger

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Beautiful boat

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 5:09 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> We have a dodger on our 37+ (actually a 37XL).  We're quite happy with our
> dodger, it is tall and roomy but doesn't get in the way.  It has one top
> panel, and five window panels (one large front window panel, two front
> corners with windows, and two sides with large windows).  The front panel
> zips open, or comes off completely, as do any or all of the other panels.
> All panels can come off and the top panel and frame still stays in
> place, if that is what you want, or you can fold it all down.  We tend to
> put it on for the summer and just leave it up all the time as it doesn't
> cause any issues getting up or down the companionway, and no issues sailing
> the boat.  We don't even bother to take it down wehn racing for evening
> races.
>
> The side panels have large pockets sewn on the insides, below the
> windows.  We use these for all kinds of stuff, books, binoculars, phones,
> etc.
>
> There is also an extra panel that zips on the back of the dodger and
> extends to the backstay to provide sun and rain protection to the cockpit,
> but that can't be used with the boom sheeted in as it gets in the way of
> the main sheet and traveller.  We use it while running downwind on long
> runs, and use it at anchor if we are expecting rain or too much sun.
>
> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pMGCqocwBVmCuBvy7
>
> It was built by Eau Vent LM Inc. in Quebec but he doesn't seem to still be
> in business.  He may have a pattern he might share.  He speaks french, his
> english is Ok, but not great.  They do (did?) really good work. Tel. 418
> 847-9801
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 21:33, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Any recommendations / specs for a dodger for a C 37+?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
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-- 
Joel Delamirande
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Stus-List Re: Dodger

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Genco is good. They can probably make a California dodger for any C
designed boat

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 6:54 PM Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have the Natty Dodger on my 27, much like the one on their picture ( on
> top ) but lower, bought some of their option  ( handhold on the side et
> double rear frame so people feel secure and no greasy hands on the
> Sunbrella. It can fold forward but I leave it up all the time and usually
> remove the center window to get more air when at anchor. I especially like
> it when it rains since I can leave the hatch open.
> Bought it from Genco Marine ( Missisauga, Ont ) and he had most of the
> templates for C , he did ask me for measurements especially since all my
> lines leads to the cockpit, I installed it , took me 2 hours, they supplied
> instructions.
> This was in 2012 and it still looks great ( Navy Blue match my navy blue
> hull )  :-)
>
> Genco Marine Company | Dodgers Biminis Enclosures. Toronto's boat supply
> store and custom work/repair
> 
>
> Genco Marine Company | Dodgers Biminis Enclosures. Toronto's boat supply...
>
> Genco Marine has been a part of Toronto's boating community servicing both
> power and sail enthusiasts for over f...
> 
>
>
>
> Sylvain
> C MkIII
>
>
> On Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:33:24 PM EST, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Any recommendations / specs for a dodger for a C 37+?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks -
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Dodger

[andrew macLean via CnC-List]

I’m saving my pennies for a tartarooga hard shell dodger. The few I’ve seen are 
gorgeous. 

https://tartarooga.com/

Andrew
C 30-1
Gulf Islands, BC

> On Jan 8, 2022, at 17:30, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> We have an Iverson dodger.  Love it.  We are cruisers and it helps here in 
> the rainy PNW.
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/cuGAPd
> 
> We also have a detachable rain fly from the aft edge to the aft rigging and 
> my wife made both wing shades and clear rain shrouds that make it nice and 
> cozy.
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2022, at 6:33 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I am interested in this as well, though I want to be cautious.  A friend had 
>> a dodger on a Tartan 42 with a similar entrance down below.  The combination 
>> of the stainless steel bar and fabric made for a difficult crawl down below. 
>>  Instead, I would want a zip-open flap the width of the entranceway, and no 
>> bar (or at least a swing away bar) to have unimpeded access to the cabin.  
>> Not to mention crawling around it and the bimini when getting on & off the 
>> boat.  For that reason alone, I'd like it to easily fold forward and out of 
>> the way.  That way I could cover it when its not needed and preserve it 
>> getting from UV damage.
>> 
>> Then there's the asthetics.  I know, screw the asthetics when you're getting 
>> cold and wet,  but it's still a consideration.   
>> 
>> Anyone have a solution that addresses all these concerns?
>> 
>> Ours lives on a dock in Florida,  and we do far more daysailing than 
>> cruising, though I'd love to be cruising more.
>> 
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+
>> "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL
>> (847) 404-5092
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Dodger

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

We have an Iverson dodger.  Love it.  We are cruisers and it helps here in the 
rainy PNW.

https://flic.kr/p/cuGAPd

We also have a detachable rain fly from the aft edge to the aft rigging and my 
wife made both wing shades and clear rain shrouds that make it nice and cozy.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Jan 8, 2022, at 6:33 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am interested in this as well, though I want to be cautious.  A friend had 
> a dodger on a Tartan 42 with a similar entrance down below.  The combination 
> of the stainless steel bar and fabric made for a difficult crawl down below.  
> Instead, I would want a zip-open flap the width of the entranceway, and no 
> bar (or at least a swing away bar) to have unimpeded access to the cabin.  
> Not to mention crawling around it and the bimini when getting on & off the 
> boat.  For that reason alone, I'd like it to easily fold forward and out of 
> the way.  That way I could cover it when its not needed and preserve it 
> getting from UV damage.
> 
> Then there's the asthetics.  I know, screw the asthetics when you're getting 
> cold and wet,  but it's still a consideration.   
> 
> Anyone have a solution that addresses all these concerns?
> 
> Ours lives on a dock in Florida,  and we do far more daysailing than 
> cruising, though I'd love to be cruising more.
> 
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
> 
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Thanks for the kind words Chuck- lots of great info learned on this list from 
you and others has found its way to that blog.

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2022, at 3:25 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dave S,
> Enjoyed your website.  Excellent research and documentation on each project.  
> So many different skills.  I saw a few of my old posts and learned several 
> things including we're the same age.
> 
> Thanks for helping the C community by sharing the great work.
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, Annapolis
>>> On 01/08/2022 10:45 AM Dave S via CnC-List  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> With respect to all concerned, the yard employee’s guidance to paint the 
>>> C rudder white reminded me of the sort of prank played on apprentice 
>>> electricians:
>>> 
>>> “Billy, quick, go to the foreman and get me a wire stretcher”. 
>>> 
>>> Have never seen this white rudder thing in southern Ontario- seems to me 
>>> that if it heats and thaws it not only contracts but any liquid or gas can 
>>> escape via the same path it used to enter.  
>>> 
>>> “Billy - Those C’s can go off like grenades when the sun comes out”
>>> 
>>> That said - my experience is limited only to itself. 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, am Happy to share that my ownership experience is like Matthew’s 
>>> and others - my 33-2 rudder remains dry and sound, however I do watch it 
>>> closely and have been proactive with preventative maintenance.  Draining a 
>>> wet one seems like a good interim idea for sure.
>>> 
>>> Pics here of Windstar’s rudder being entombed in epoxy as well as pics of a 
>>> really nasty rudder failure on a Squadron 36
>>> 
>>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2021/04/?m=1 
>>> 
>>> Pics here of what can happen to keels in an area with seasonal haul out and 
>>> freeze/thaw cycles.  
>>> 
>>> https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1 
>>> 
>>> Freezing here at the moment. 
>>> 
>>> Dave 33-2 windstar  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Matthew via CnC-List  
>>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all have a 
>>> similar design for the rudder.  The top of the rudder where the rudder post 
>>> enters is out of the water when the boat is at rest.  If you have a 
>>> reasonably good seal where the rudder post enters, water infiltration 
>>> should be kept to a minimum.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: John Read via CnC-List  
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM
>>> To: 'Stus-List' 
>>> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' ; 
>>> John Read 
>>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard.  Prior boat 
>>> 25 years nary a problem.  I think the issue has more to do with how the 
>>> rudder is constructed.  If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of 
>>> glass and even better is water logged then might be a problem.  Mine is 
>>> solid glass 3-4 inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no 
>>> problems.  John your 36 has older thick not really tapered design so most 
>>> likely not an issue for you.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> My 2 cents American  J
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> John Read
>>> 
>>> Legacy III
>>> 
>>> 1982 C 34
>>> 
>>> Noank, CT
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM
>>> To: Stus-List
>>> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; Martin DeYoung
>>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out 
>>> for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It 
>>> was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the 
>>> rudder bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp 
>>> (ground).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the 
>>> rudder.
>>> 
>>> I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after 
>>> all painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed 
>>> a suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places.
>>> 
>>> Martin DeYoung
>>> 
>>> Calypso 
>>> 
>>> 1971 C 43
>>> 
>>> Port Ludlow/Seattle 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white 
>>> to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at 
>>> my winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating 
>>> them up?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told 
>>> me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our 
>>> current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with 
>>> other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once 
>>> the boat is in the water it does not 

Stus-List Re: Dodger

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 I have the Natty Dodger on my 27, much like the one on their picture ( on top 
) but lower, bought some of their option  ( handhold on the side et double rear 
frame so people feel secure and no greasy hands on the Sunbrella. It can fold 
forward but I leave it up all the time and usually remove the center window to 
get more air when at anchor. I especially like it when it rains since I can 
leave the hatch open.Bought it from Genco Marine ( Missisauga, Ont ) and he had 
most of the templates for C , he did ask me for measurements especially 
since all my lines leads to the cockpit, I installed it , took me 2 hours, they 
supplied instructions.This was in 2012 and it still looks great ( Navy Blue 
match my navy blue hull )  :-)
Genco Marine Company | Dodgers Biminis Enclosures. Toronto's boat supply store 
and custom work/repair

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On Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:33:24 PM EST, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Any recommendations / specs for a dodger for a C 37+?  

Thanks,
Rob

Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Re: Dodger

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hi Rob,

We have a dodger on our 37+ (actually a 37XL).  We're quite happy with our
dodger, it is tall and roomy but doesn't get in the way.  It has one top
panel, and five window panels (one large front window panel, two front
corners with windows, and two sides with large windows).  The front panel
zips open, or comes off completely, as do any or all of the other panels.
All panels can come off and the top panel and frame still stays in
place, if that is what you want, or you can fold it all down.  We tend to
put it on for the summer and just leave it up all the time as it doesn't
cause any issues getting up or down the companionway, and no issues sailing
the boat.  We don't even bother to take it down wehn racing for evening
races.

The side panels have large pockets sewn on the insides, below the windows.
We use these for all kinds of stuff, books, binoculars, phones, etc.

There is also an extra panel that zips on the back of the dodger and
extends to the backstay to provide sun and rain protection to the cockpit,
but that can't be used with the boom sheeted in as it gets in the way of
the main sheet and traveller.  We use it while running downwind on long
runs, and use it at anchor if we are expecting rain or too much sun.

Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pMGCqocwBVmCuBvy7

It was built by Eau Vent LM Inc. in Quebec but he doesn't seem to still be
in business.  He may have a pattern he might share.  He speaks french, his
english is Ok, but not great.  They do (did?) really good work. Tel. 418
847-9801

Ken H.

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 21:33, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Any recommendations / specs for a dodger for a C 37+?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[Dave S via CnC-List]

“  (I know, 95% alcohol is still drinkable) ”

Marek, acknowledging the problem is an important first step.  ;-)



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I hope this is more joke than not. The drinkable alcohol is very poor 
> protection against freezing and provides great environment for growing mold 
> and bacteria. Possibly, if you use the pure spirit (at 94%, i.e., 190 proof) 
> it would work (I know, 95% alcohol is still drinkable) as an antifreeze 
> agent, but it will still provide good nutrition to whatever flora might be in 
> the lines.
>  
> Marek
> Ottawa, ON
>  
> From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
> Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 2:39 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge Water
>  
> A sailor here used cheap vodka for water lines.  Said he had no fears come 
> spring about drinking from the lines.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Dodger

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Bruce,

How often do you really need a dodger?  As a Gulf Coast sailor, I generally
want protection for transits along the coast or multi day cruises where
inclement weather is expected.  Otherwise, I just want an open bimini.

For those infrequent occasions where I do want protection, I had a canvas
maker buddy build me a very simple windshield.  It zips to the forward
underside of my bimini and uses simple leach cord ties around the bimini
bows.  It wraps around most of the bimini.  The bimini frame is mounted
just outside the cockpit coaming.  The windshield usually affords
protection to anyone sitting on the very forward portion of the cockpit
seats.  It has a zipper roll up/down portion in the middle for ventilation
when desired.

Sorry I don't have any pictures.

I can put it up and take it down in about 10 minutes.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 8:33 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am interested in this as well, though I want to be cautious.  A friend
> had a dodger on a Tartan 42 with a similar entrance down below.  The
> combination of the stainless steel bar and fabric made for a difficult
> crawl down below.  Instead, I would want a zip-open flap the width of the
> entranceway, and no bar (or at least a swing away bar) to have unimpeded
> access to the cabin.  Not to mention crawling around it and the bimini when
> getting on & off the boat.  For that reason alone, I'd like it to easily
> fold forward and out of the way.  That way I could cover it when its not
> needed and preserve it getting from UV damage.
>
> Then there's the asthetics.  I know, screw the asthetics when you're
> getting cold and wet,  but it's still a consideration.
>
> Anyone have a solution that addresses all these concerns?
>
> Ours lives on a dock in Florida,  and we do far more daysailing than
> cruising, though I'd love to be cruising more.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Dave S,
Enjoyed your website.  Excellent research and documentation on each project.  
So many different skills.  I saw a few of my old posts and learned several 
things including we're the same age.

Thanks for helping the C community by sharing the great work.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, Annapolis

> On 01/08/2022 10:45 AM Dave S via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> With respect to all concerned, the yard employee’s guidance to paint the 
> C rudder white reminded me of the sort of prank played on apprentice 
> electricians:
> 
> “Billy, quick, go to the foreman and get me a wire stretcher”. 
> 
> Have never seen this white rudder thing in southern Ontario- seems to me 
> that if it heats and thaws it not only contracts but any liquid or gas can 
> escape via the same path it used to enter.  
> 
> “Billy - Those C’s can go off like grenades when the sun comes out”
> 
> That said - my experience is limited only to itself. 
> 
> Anyway, am Happy to share that my ownership experience is like Matthew’s 
> and others - my 33-2 rudder remains dry and sound, however I do watch it 
> closely and have been proactive with preventative maintenance.  Draining a 
> wet one seems like a good interim idea for sure.
> 
> Pics here of Windstar’s rudder being entombed in epoxy as well as pics of 
> a really nasty rudder failure on a Squadron 36
> 
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2021/04/?m=1
> 
> Pics here of what can happen to keels in an area with seasonal haul out 
> and freeze/thaw cycles.  
> 
> https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1
> 
> Freezing here at the moment. 
> 
> Dave 33-2 windstar 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > > On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Matthew via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all 
> > have a similar design for the rudder.  The top of the rudder where the 
> > rudder post enters is out of the water when the boat is at rest.  If you 
> > have a reasonably good seal where the rudder post enters, water 
> > infiltration should be kept to a minimum.
> > 
> > 
> > From: John Read via CnC-List 
> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM
> > To: 'Stus-List' 
> > Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' 
> > ; John Read 
> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
> > 
> > 
> > My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard.  
> > Prior boat 25 years nary a problem.  I think the issue has more to do with 
> > how the rudder is constructed.  If just shaped foam covered with a few 
> > layers of glass and even better is water logged then might be a problem.  
> > Mine is solid glass 3-4 inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so 
> > no problems.  John your 36 has older thick not really tapered design so 
> > most likely not an issue for you.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > My 2 cents American  J
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > John Read
> > 
> > Legacy III
> > 
> > 1982 C 34
> > 
> > Noank, CT
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM
> > To: Stus-List
> > Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net mailto:johnmcc...@comcast.net ; Martin 
> > DeYoung
> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
> > 
> > 
> >  Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was 
> > hauled out for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot 
> > weather. It was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease 
> > around the rudder bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on 
> > the tarp (ground).
> > 
> > 
> > Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to 
> > stripping/painting the rudder.
> > 
> > I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but 
> > after all painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I 
> > observed a suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places.
> > 
> > Martin DeYoung
> > 
> > Calypso 
> > 
> > 1971 C 43
> > 
> > Port Ludlow/Seattle 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their 
> > > rudders white to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One 
> > > of the staff at my winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due 
> > > to the sun heating them up?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner 
> > > had and told me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 
> > > 37XL nor our current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so 
> > > 

Stus-List Re: Dodger

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Dodgers get in the way of lines lead to the cockpit and interfere with
vision ahead. If you're racing you probably want something you can remove
easily not just fold down on the deck. If not racing a full dodger can work
well with lines lead aft. Opening panels help a lot and fold down is a big
bonus.  I did not suggest what I have I suggested what looked like would
work good for me on a 35MKII. There are days I wish I had more opening
panels. I don't have a bimini, but sometimes I wish I had gone for a bimini
dodger matched combo when I fitted my present dodger. It is worth having
for sure and the tubing and canvas is now 17 years old and looks almost
like new. Usually only on the boat from June to mid September.

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 10:33 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am interested in this as well, though I want to be cautious.  A friend
> had a dodger on a Tartan 42 with a similar entrance down below.  The
> combination of the stainless steel bar and fabric made for a difficult
> crawl down below.  Instead, I would want a zip-open flap the width of the
> entranceway, and no bar (or at least a swing away bar) to have unimpeded
> access to the cabin.  Not to mention crawling around it and the bimini when
> getting on & off the boat.  For that reason alone, I'd like it to easily
> fold forward and out of the way.  That way I could cover it when its not
> needed and preserve it getting from UV damage.
>
> Then there's the asthetics.  I know, screw the asthetics when you're
> getting cold and wet,  but it's still a consideration.
>
> Anyone have a solution that addresses all these concerns?
>
> Ours lives on a dock in Florida,  and we do far more daysailing than
> cruising, though I'd love to be cruising more.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
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Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[Dave S via CnC-List]

With respect to all concerned, the yard employee’s guidance to paint the C 
rudder white reminded me of the sort of prank played on apprentice electricians:

“Billy, quick, go to the foreman and get me a wire stretcher”. 

Have never seen this white rudder thing in southern Ontario- seems to me that 
if it heats and thaws it not only contracts but any liquid or gas can escape 
via the same path it used to enter.  

“Billy - Those C’s can go off like grenades when the sun comes out”

That said - my experience is limited only to itself. 

Anyway, am Happy to share that my ownership experience is like Matthew’s and 
others - my 33-2 rudder remains dry and sound, however I do watch it closely 
and have been proactive with preventative maintenance.  Draining a wet one 
seems like a good interim idea for sure.

Pics here of Windstar’s rudder being entombed in epoxy as well as pics of a 
really nasty rudder failure on a Squadron 36

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2021/04/?m=1

Pics here of what can happen to keels in an area with seasonal haul out and 
freeze/thaw cycles.  

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1

Freezing here at the moment. 

Dave 33-2 windstar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Matthew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all have a 
> similar design for the rudder.  The top of the rudder where the rudder post 
> enters is out of the water when the boat is at rest.  If you have a 
> reasonably good seal where the rudder post enters, water infiltration should 
> be kept to a minimum.
>  
> From: John Read via CnC-List  
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' ; 
> John Read 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
>  
> My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard.  Prior boat 25 
> years nary a problem.  I think the issue has more to do with how the rudder 
> is constructed.  If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of glass and 
> even better is water logged then might be a problem.  Mine is solid glass 3-4 
> inches thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no problems.  John your 36 
> has older thick not really tapered design so most likely not an issue for you.
>  
> My 2 cents American  J
>  
> John Read
> Legacy III
> 1982 C 34
> Noank, CT
>  
> From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; Martin DeYoung
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.
>  
>  Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out 
> for paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It 
> was enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder 
> bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground).
>  
> Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the 
> rudder.
> I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all 
> painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a 
> suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places.
> 
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso 
> 1971 C 43
> Port Ludlow/Seattle 
>  
> 
> On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to 
> prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my 
> winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them 
> up?
>  
> I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me 
> that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, 
> and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats 
> around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in 
> the water it does not matter. Thanks!
>  
> John McCrea
> Talisman
> 1979 36-1
> Mystic, CT
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[Matthew via CnC-List]

My 42 Custom, my previous 34, and the 36 of the same vintage all have a similar 
design for the rudder.  The top of the rudder where the rudder post enters is 
out of the water when the boat is at rest.  If you have a reasonably good seal 
where the rudder post enters, water infiltration should be kept to a minimum.

 

From: John Read via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 5:40 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; 'Martin DeYoung' ; John 
Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

 

My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard.  Prior boat 25 
years nary a problem.  I think the issue has more to do with how the rudder is 
constructed.  If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of glass and even 
better is water logged then might be a problem.  Mine is solid glass 3-4 inches 
thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no problems.  John your 36 has 
older thick not really tapered design so most likely not an issue for you.

 

My 2 cents American  :)

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net  ; Martin DeYoung
Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

 

 Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out for 
paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It was 
enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder 
bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground). 

 

Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the 
rudder.

I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all 
painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a 
suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places.

Martin DeYoung

Calypso 

1971 C 43

Port Ludlow/Seattle 

 

On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to 
prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my 
winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them 
up? 

 

I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me 
that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and 
the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around 
me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water 
it does not matter. Thanks!

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

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Stus-List Re: Dodger

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I am interested in this as well, though I want to be cautious.  A friend
had a dodger on a Tartan 42 with a similar entrance down below.  The
combination of the stainless steel bar and fabric made for a difficult
crawl down below.  Instead, I would want a zip-open flap the width of the
entranceway, and no bar (or at least a swing away bar) to have unimpeded
access to the cabin.  Not to mention crawling around it and the bimini when
getting on & off the boat.  For that reason alone, I'd like it to easily
fold forward and out of the way.  That way I could cover it when its not
needed and preserve it getting from UV damage.

Then there's the asthetics.  I know, screw the asthetics when you're
getting cold and wet,  but it's still a consideration.

Anyone have a solution that addresses all these concerns?

Ours lives on a dock in Florida,  and we do far more daysailing than
cruising, though I'd love to be cruising more.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: Dodger

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Check out California dodger

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:33 PM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Any recommendations / specs for a dodger for a C 37+?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> - Stu
>
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