Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Agreed

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On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:


Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just ahead 
of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think .  There 
should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid Glass before 
it goes up onto the balsa.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo from 
Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.

Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer (airmar 
depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on the 25 Mk II 
seems limited.

Anyone around here has any tips?

Cheers
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just
ahead of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think
.  There should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid
Glass before it goes up onto the balsa.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo
> from Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.
>
> Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer
> (airmar depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on
> the 25 Mk II seems limited.
>
> Anyone around here has any tips?
>
> Cheers
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Stus-List C 25 depth sounder location

[Juliano Franz via CnC-List]

Hi Folks,
I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo
from Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.

Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer
(airmar depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on
the 25 Mk II seems limited.

Anyone around here has any tips?

Cheers
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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

One thing to be careful about is the potential or lack thereof of builder or 
manufacturer support further down the road.  Saga Yachts were very cool boats 
with an awesome design, but a mercurial and dishonest owner and builder 
company.  Saga merged (bought up?) Pacific Seacraft when it was located in 
California and then gloriously disappeared leaving at least two buyers with 
deposits,  hanging in the lurch with half built boats.  Steve Brodie then 
acquired Pacific Seacraft, moved it to Washington, NC and tried to help the 
Saga dealer nearby with completing the boat. The boat buyer had to pay twice 
for many of the components for the boat (since the former ownership had made 
off with the customers down payments).

I’m not sure if there’s anything left of Saga Yachts, but if you buy one, keep 
in mind that there were far fewer built than C meaning the availability of 
anything specially built for the boat is going to be hard to find if 
replacements are needed.

And regarding a Bob Perry design, he and Rob Ball were very good friends and 
had a lot of respect for each other’s work.

 

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Matt,

If moorage costs were a bit more affordable in the PNW would have gladly own 
his and hers boats.  My wife has supported my unreasonable passion for offshore 
racing and cruising since 1977. While she sailed back from Hawaii with me twice 
its clear she’s not going offshore again.  Back in 1998 when we purchased 
Calypso our plans were to sail her to the Sea of Cortes and “commuter cruise” 
for several seasons.  Well the gods laugh as men make plans. The events of 
September 11th 2001 and the effects on the aerospace industry sank my plans as 
I needed to stay focused of saving our manufacturing company from failure.

Calypso’s co-owner’s wife also has no interest in extended cruising.  The last 
time he said he wanted to sail Calypso to Hawaii I told him I would support his 
trip and wave goodbye from the dock.  I think what he really wanted was for me 
to do all the work and skipper the trip.  As I already have made 9 trips 
between Hawaii and the west coast I have little interest in 1 more.

Our plans between now and when Calypso is sold is to finish up the few 
remaining painting projects and go day sailing around the Port Ludlow and Port 
Townsend area.  I expect someone here in the PNW with interests in cruising the 
PNW/Alaska and the west coast of North America will find her a good value and 
excellent cruising platform.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

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Cc: 'Martin DeYoung'
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

Martin:

Say it ain’t so.

My wife and I have the same deal.  I had two conditions: 1) 
college tuitions are all paid; and 2) we win the Wolford Trophy (a two-day race 
series named after my Dad) on the 42 Custom.  We won the Wolford Trophy last 
fall (two firsts).  I have about two years to go on college tuition.

Matt
C 42 Custom

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 2:53 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

We are preparing to list Calypso for sale in the near future but a 1971 C 43 
doesn’t meet Danny’s list of desired features.  My wife has called in the 
promise I made when we first bought Calypso. This  means she gets to pick our 
next boat. To her credit she has waited well over 20 years to call in that 
marker.  Much to my concern she’s focusing on classic wooden power boats. One 
she’s looking at even has gas engines.

If someone wanted to cruise the west coast of Mexico Calypso is well set up for 
that as that was our plan when we first brought it out to Seattle.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow


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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 11:30 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

Danny,
C 43?
Hylas 46/49/54/56 (no separate shower on the 49)
Outbound 46 (hard to find)
Bristol (older)

Good luck with the search!
Joel

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:42 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi guys,

So, We sold Rum Runner IV and we're going to start the process for our next 
boat.
I'm not really sure who said that selling a boat is typically a happy day for a 
boater.  This is our 3rd sailboat sold, and we've been sad to see each of them 
go.
We'd been discussing going to something a bit more modern, with more room.  So, 
as the boat was in really great condition, I thought I would list it and see if 
anyone was interested.
I've bee eyeing center cockpit designs.  Some of our desired features are,
about 45 - 50 feet,
at least a sugar scoop transom if not walk thru,
larger cockpit (as most of our time, on board, is spent there)
lighter, brighter interior,
a good sized head with separate shower
a nice master suite with an island berth

Anyway, if anyone knows of any vessels we might want to check out, let me know!

Danny
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Looking at the different Passport models on sailboatdata.com 
, I think the boat I saw must have been a Passport 47 
- a Robert Perry design.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes! That is right. Thank you Paul!
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:40 PM, paul.hood  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Randy
>> 
>> Are you maybe thinking of a Passport.  That's the only one I can think of 
>> that starts with P
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>> Date: 2023-02-23 2:24 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Randy Stafford 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
>> 
>> At the end of that Newport -> St. Thomas delivery I crewed in November 2021, 
>> there was a beautiful traditional-looking ~50-foot monohull cutter that tied 
>> up behind us at the AYH fuel dock in Red Hook.  It had just made the same 
>> voyage we did, I learned.  I asked the skipper what kind of boat it was.  I 
>> can’t quite remember his answer, but I think it had the word “Passage” in 
>> it.  Does that ring a bell for anyone?  Ever heard of a boat brand with the 
>> word “Passage” in it?  I think it is in the center of this picture, S/V 
>> Grateful Dad: 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbMB5nUEanRw5RtRyJ7MehAN4w-ZdGVO/view?usp=share_link
>>  
>> .
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy
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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

[Tom Sutton via CnC-List]

The Saga 48 might be more in keeping with the original wish list based on the 
45-50’ criteria.

https://swiftsureyachts.com/saga-48-arctic-raven/

Tom S


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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: February 23, 2023 6:40 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

Bob Perry designed Saga 43.
 
-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Yes! That is right. Thank you Paul!Cheers,RandySent from my iPhoneOn Feb 23, 2023, at 12:40 PM, paul.hood  wrote:Hey RandyAre you maybe thinking of a Passport.  That's the only one I can think of that starts with PSent from my Galaxy Original message From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List  Date: 2023-02-23  2:24 p.m.  (GMT-05:00) To: Stus-List  Cc: Randy Stafford  Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again At the end of that Newport -> St. Thomas delivery I crewed in November 2021, there was a beautiful traditional-looking ~50-foot monohull cutter that tied up behind us at the AYH fuel dock in Red Hook.  It had just made the same voyage we did, I learned.  I asked the skipper what kind of boat it was.  I can’t quite remember his answer, but I think it had the word “Passage” in it.  Does that ring a bell for anyone?  Ever heard of a boat brand with the word “Passage” in it?  I think it is in the center of this picture, S/V Grateful Dad: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbMB5nUEanRw5RtRyJ7MehAN4w-ZdGVO/view?usp=share_link.Cheers,RandyOn Feb 23, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  wrote:Good point Dave!  I do notice, a lot of the boats I'm looking at, on line, do have bow thrusters.  Of course, I'm rarely at dock for more than filling up and washing down.  But, I do like the idea of those types of modern tech!  (how modern is it really?)-- Original Message --From: David Risch via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: David Risch Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless againDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:04:40 +

Danny, I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A thrusting bow may something to look for.    
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List   Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey  Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 
I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!  -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  To: Stus-List  Cc: Andrew Burton  Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500  Hi Danny,  I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a few years ago.  If you need to be more performance-oriented, there’s a sister to Masquerade (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too distant future. Cheers Andy  Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI  USA    02840  http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu


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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

that swim platform in the photo reminds me of an Island Packet

-- Original Message --
From: "paul.hood via CnC-List" 
To: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
Cc: "paul.hood" 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 14:40:16 -0500


Hey Randy Are you maybe thinking of a Passport.  That's the only one I can 
think of that starts with P   Sent from my Galaxy   Original message 
From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List Date: 
2023-02-23 2:24 p.m. (GMT-05:00)To: Stus-List Cc: Randy 
Stafford Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again At 
the end of that Newport -> St. Thomas delivery I crewed in November 2021, there 
was a beautiful traditional-looking ~50-foot monohull cutter that tied up 
behind us at the AYH fuel dock in Red Hook.  It had just made the same voyage 
we did, I learned.  I asked the skipper what kind of boat it was.  I 
cant quite remember his answer, but I think it had the word 
Passage in it.  Does that ring a bell for anyone?  Ever heard of 
a boat brand with the word Passage in it?  I think it is in the 
center of this picture, S/V Grateful Dad: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbMB5nUEanRw5RtRyJ7MehAN4w-ZdGVO/view?usp=share_link.
 Cheers,RandyOn Feb 23, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:Good point Dave!  I do notice, a lot of the boats 
I'm looking at, on line, do have bow thrusters.  Of course, I'm rarely at dock 
for more than filling up and washing down.  But, I do like the idea of those 
types of modern tech!  (how modern is it really?)-- Original Message 
--From: David Risch via CnC-List To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch Subject: Stus-List 
Re: Boatless againDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:04:40 + Danny,
 I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this 
but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of magnitude 
in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A thrusting bow 
may something to look for.   
 From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List   Sent: Thursday, 
February 23, 2023 8:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  
Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would 
be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a 
Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!  
-- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 To: Stus-List  Cc: Andrew Burton 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again Date: Wed, 22 
Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500  Hi Danny,  I think an Oyster 47 might check those 
boxes. Good-sailing, well-built boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick 
passages to Antigua and back on one a few years ago.  If you need to be more 
performance-oriented, theres a sister to Masquerade (Baltic 47) around 
that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too distant future. Cheers 
Andy  Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI  USA02840  
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 Please 
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[paul.hood via CnC-List]

Hey RandyAre you maybe thinking of a Passport.  That's the only one I can think 
of that starts with PSent from my Galaxy
 Original message From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 Date: 2023-02-23  2:24 p.m.  (GMT-05:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Randy Stafford  
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again At the end of that Newport -> St. Thomas 
delivery I crewed in November 2021, there was a beautiful traditional-looking 
~50-foot monohull cutter that tied up behind us at the AYH fuel dock in Red 
Hook.  It had just made the same voyage we did, I learned.  I asked the skipper 
what kind of boat it was.  I can’t quite remember his answer, but I think it 
had the word “Passage” in it.  Does that ring a bell for anyone?  Ever heard of 
a boat brand with the word “Passage” in it?  I think it is in the center of 
this picture, S/V Grateful Dad: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbMB5nUEanRw5RtRyJ7MehAN4w-ZdGVO/view?usp=share_link.Cheers,RandyOn
 Feb 23, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
wrote:Good point Dave!  I do notice, a lot of the boats I'm looking at, on 
line, do have bow thrusters.  Of course, I'm rarely at dock for more than 
filling up and washing down.  But, I do like the idea of those types of modern 
tech!  (how modern is it really?)-- Original Message --From: 
David Risch via CnC-List To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch Subject: Stus-List 
Re: Boatless againDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:04:40 +

Danny, I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of 
this but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of 
magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A 
thrusting bow may something to look for.    
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List   Sent: Thursday, 
February 23, 2023 8:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 
I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  
Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would 
be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a 
Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!  
-- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 To: Stus-List  Cc: Andrew Burton 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again Date: Wed, 22 
Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500  Hi Danny,  I think an Oyster 47 might check those 
boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick 
passages to Antigua and back on one a few years ago.  If you need to be more 
performance-oriented, there’s a sister to Masquerade (Baltic 47) around that I 
bet will be on the market some day in the not too distant future. Cheers Andy  
Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI  USA    02840  
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 Please 
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

At the end of that Newport -> St. Thomas delivery I crewed in November 2021, 
there was a beautiful traditional-looking ~50-foot monohull cutter that tied up 
behind us at the AYH fuel dock in Red Hook.  It had just made the same voyage 
we did, I learned.  I asked the skipper what kind of boat it was.  I can’t 
quite remember his answer, but I think it had the word “Passage” in it.  Does 
that ring a bell for anyone?  Ever heard of a boat brand with the word 
“Passage” in it?  I think it is in the center of this picture, S/V Grateful 
Dad: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbMB5nUEanRw5RtRyJ7MehAN4w-ZdGVO/view?usp=share_link
 
.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good point Dave!  I do notice, a lot of the boats I'm looking at, on line, do 
> have bow thrusters.  Of course, I'm rarely at dock for more than filling up 
> and washing down.  But, I do like the idea of those types of modern tech!  
> (how modern is it really?)
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: David Risch via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: David Risch 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:04:40 +
> 
> 
> Danny,
> 
>  
> I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this 
> but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of 
> magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A 
> thrusting bow may something to look for.   
> 
>  
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> 
>  
> I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks! 
>  Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I 
> would be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did 
> find a Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there 
> is hope!
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  >
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Andrew Burton  >
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500
> 
> Hi Danny, 
> I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built boat 
> and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a few 
> years ago. 
> If you need to be more performance-oriented, there’s a sister to Masquerade 
> (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too 
> distant future.
> Cheers
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> +401 965-5260
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
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> 
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

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Richard


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Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

I think you mean Ginger/Maryanne.

-Original Message-
From: Dave S via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 10:24 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dave S 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

This is a Betty/Veronica conversation….for those of a certain age.  (Lol.)

Build Quality aside, This fun discussion is totally dependent on how you wish 
to use the boat.    I’m in the process of buying my next boat - an alubat ovni 
- and I’m sure it’ll sail like a barge compared to my c 33ii.  It doesn’t 
have the interior volume, walk through transom, twin helms or owners cabin of a 
modern centre cockpit/aft cabin design, which would necessarily have exposed 
rudders, a huge high dodger and an elevated cockpit sole.  (The latter is a 
pain point for me in newer boats under, say 45’). The design/features 
compromise of the boat I chose do suit my intended use. 
I do think that vintage  is often more relevant that builder - most mass 
production builders’ designs of a given period have a lot in common My C$.02.


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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Check www.burtonsailing.com for lots of pics of my boat. 

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/



> On Feb 23, 2023, at 11:06, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Good point Dave!  I do notice, a lot of the boats I'm looking at, on line, do 
> have bow thrusters.  Of course, I'm rarely at dock for more than filling up 
> and washing down.  But, I do like the idea of those types of modern tech!  
> (how modern is it really?)
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: David Risch via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: David Risch 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:04:40 +
> 
> Danny,
> 
>  
> 
> I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this 
> but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of 
> magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A 
> thrusting bow may something to look for.   
> 
>  
> 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> 
>  
> 
> I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks! 
>  Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I 
> would be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did 
> find a Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there 
> is hope!
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500
> 
> Hi Danny, 
> I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built boat 
> and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a few 
> years ago. 
> If you need to be more performance-oriented, there’s a sister to Masquerade 
> (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too 
> distant future.
> Cheers
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
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> 
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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Good point Dave!  I do notice, a lot of the boats I'm looking at, on line, do 
have bow thrusters.  Of course, I'm rarely at dock for more than filling up and 
washing down.  But, I do like the idea of those types of modern tech!  (how 
modern is it really?)

-- Original Message --
From: David Risch via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:04:40 +


Danny,
 
I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this 
but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of magnitude 
in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A thrusting bow 
may something to look for.   
 
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Danny Haughey 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 
I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  
Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would 
be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a 
Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Andrew Burton 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500
 
 Hi Danny, 
 I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, well-built 
boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a 
few years ago. 
 If you need to be more performance-oriented, theres a sister to 
Masquerade (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the 
not too distant future.
 Cheers
 Andy
 
 Andrew Burton
 26 Beacon Hill
 Newport, RI 
 USA02840
 
 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
 +401 965-5260
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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I haven't completely crossed those off the list but, we do enjoy a good 
performer.  So, they're not high on the list.  Most of the ones I saw have a 
bolted on swim platform.  I don't really like the look of that.

-- Original Message --
From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung , Neil Andersen 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 14:51:45 +


For a center console that does NOT have the European feel, what about an Island 
Packet.  Not exactly a speed demon, but very roomy and great storage aboard.  
Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661484-354-8800From: Joel Delamirande via 
CnC-List 
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 9:24:46 AM
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Martin DeYoung ; Joel Delamirande 

 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again I love also amel marmuYear 2000
On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:54 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:Martin:
 
Say it aint so.
 
My wife and I have the same deal.  I had two conditions: 1) 
college tuitions are all paid; and 2) we win the Wolford Trophy (a two-day race 
series named after my Dad) on the 42 Custom.  We won the Wolford Trophy last 
fall (two firsts).  I have about two years to go on college tuition.
 
Matt
C 42 Custom
 
From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List  
 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 2:53 PM
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Martin DeYoung 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 
We are preparing to list Calypso for sale in the near future but a 1971 C 43 
doesnt meet Dannys list of desired features.  My wife has 
called in the promise I made when we first bought Calypso. This  means she gets 
to pick our next boat. To her credit she has waited well over 20 years to call 
in that marker.  Much to my concern shes focusing on classic wooden 
power boats. One shes looking at even has gas engines.
 
If someone wanted to cruise the west coast of Mexico Calypso is well set up for 
that as that was our plan when we first brought it out to Seattle.
 
Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow
 
 
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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 11:30 AM
 To: Stus-List
 Cc: Joel Aronson
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 
Danny,
C 43?
Hylas 46/49/54/56 (no separate shower on the 49)
Outbound 46 (hard to find)
Bristol (older)
 
Good luck with the search!
Joel
 
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:42 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hi guys,
 
So, We sold Rum Runner IV and we're going to start the process for our next 
boat.
I'm not really sure who said that selling a boat is typically a happy day for a 
boater.  This is our 3rd sailboat sold, and we've been sad to see each of them 
go.
We'd been discussing going to something a bit more modern, with more room.  So, 
as the boat was in really great condition, I thought I would list it and see if 
anyone was interested.  
I've bee eyeing center cockpit designs.  Some of our desired features are,
about 45 - 50 feet,
at least a sugar scoop transom if not walk thru,
larger cockpit (as most of our time, on board, is spent there)
lighter, brighter interior,
a good sized head with separate shower
a nice master suite with an island berth
 
Anyway, if anyone knows of any vessels we might want to check out, let me know!
 
Danny
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Length of the boat is not the only factor in maneuverability.  My Hylas 44
had a fairly short keel and a 3 blade max prop.  It would only back to
port.  My 49 has a much longer keel and a Gori prop and can be backed in
either direction easily.
This is not an indictment of the Max, its just how it worked on that boat.
Never had a bow thruster.  I've seen people try to use both the wheel and
the thruster.  Usually not pretty!  Andy's method is probably much more
successful.
Joel

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 10:33 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think all Oysters have bow thrusters; good ones, too. When backing into
> a slip, I center the helm and use the thruster to steer the boat.
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 10:04, David Risch via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Danny,
>
>
>
> I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of
> this but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of
> magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A
> thrusting bow may something to look for.
>
>
>
> *From:* Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Danny Haughey 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Boatless again
>
>
>
> I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it
> looks!  Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat
> bottoms, I would be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy
> though...  She did find a Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland
> design.  So, there is hope!
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500
>
> Hi Danny,
> I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built
> boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on
> one a few years ago.
> If you need to be more performance-oriented, there’s a sister to
> Masquerade (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in
> the not too distant future.
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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>
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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I think you mean Ginger/Maryanne.

-Original Message-
From: Dave S via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 10:24 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dave S 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

This is a Betty/Veronica conversation….for those of a certain age.  (Lol.)

Build Quality aside, This fun discussion is totally dependent on how you wish 
to use the boat.I’m in the process of buying my next boat - an alubat ovni 
- and I’m sure it’ll sail like a barge compared to my c 33ii.   It doesn’t 
have the interior volume, walk through transom, twin helms or owners cabin of a 
modern centre cockpit/aft cabin design, which would necessarily have exposed 
rudders, a huge high dodger and an elevated cockpit sole.  (The latter is a 
pain point for me in newer boats under, say 45’). The design/features 
compromise of the boat I chose do suit my intended use. 
I do think that vintage  is often more relevant that builder - most mass 
production builders’ designs of a given period have a lot in common My C$.02.

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 7:50 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure there is much research that went into this comment.  Most of the 
> boats you listed have been around for decades and some are amazingly designed 
> and of high quality construction. 

>>snip<<
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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I think all Oysters have bow thrusters; good ones, too. When backing into a 
slip, I center the helm and use the thruster to steer the boat.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 10:04, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Danny,
>  
> I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this 
> but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of 
> magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A 
> thrusting bow may something to look for.   
>  
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
>  
> I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks! 
>  Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I 
> would be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did 
> find a Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there 
> is hope!
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500
> 
> Hi Danny, 
> I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built boat 
> and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a few 
> years ago. 
> If you need to be more performance-oriented, there’s a sister to Masquerade 
> (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too 
> distant future.
> Cheers
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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[Dave S via CnC-List]

This is a Betty/Veronica conversation….for those of a certain age.  (Lol.)

Build Quality aside, This fun discussion is totally dependent on how you wish 
to use the boat.I’m in the process of buying my next boat - an alubat ovni 
- and I’m sure it’ll sail like a barge compared to my c 33ii.   It doesn’t 
have the interior volume, walk through transom, twin helms or owners cabin of a 
modern centre cockpit/aft cabin design, which would necessarily have exposed 
rudders, a huge high dodger and an elevated cockpit sole.  (The latter is a 
pain point for me in newer boats under, say 45’). The design/features 
compromise of the boat I chose do suit my intended use. 
I do think that vintage  is often more relevant that builder - most mass 
production builders’ designs of a given period have a lot in common 
My C$.02.

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 7:50 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure there is much research that went into this comment.  Most of the 
> boats you listed have been around for decades and some are amazingly designed 
> and of high quality construction. 

>>snip<<
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[David Risch via CnC-List]

Danny,

I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this 
but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of magnitude 
in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A thrusting bow 
may something to look for.

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  
Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would 
be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a 
Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!

-- Original Message --
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500

Hi Danny,
I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we'll-built boat 
and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a few 
years ago.
If you need to be more performance-oriented, there's a sister to Masquerade 
(Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too 
distant future.
Cheers
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
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[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

For a center console that does NOT have the European feel, what about an Island 
Packet.  Not exactly a speed demon, but very roomy and great storage aboard.

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 9:24:46 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung ; Joel Delamirande 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

I love also amel marmu
Year 2000

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:54 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Martin:



Say it ain’t so.



My wife and I have the same deal.  I had two conditions: 1) 
college tuitions are all paid; and 2) we win the Wolford Trophy (a two-day race 
series named after my Dad) on the 42 Custom.  We won the Wolford Trophy last 
fall (two firsts).  I have about two years to go on college tuition.



Matt

C 42 Custom



From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 2:53 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again



We are preparing to list Calypso for sale in the near future but a 1971 C 43 
doesn’t meet Danny’s list of desired features.  My wife has called in the 
promise I made when we first bought Calypso. This  means she gets to pick our 
next boat. To her credit she has waited well over 20 years to call in that 
marker.  Much to my concern she’s focusing on classic wooden power boats. One 
she’s looking at even has gas engines.



If someone wanted to cruise the west coast of Mexico Calypso is well set up for 
that as that was our plan when we first brought it out to Seattle.



Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C 43

Seattle/Port Ludlow





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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 11:30 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again



Danny,

C 43?

Hylas 46/49/54/56 (no separate shower on the 49)

Outbound 46 (hard to find)

Bristol (older)



Good luck with the search!

Joel



On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:42 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi guys,



So, We sold Rum Runner IV and we're going to start the process for our next 
boat.

I'm not really sure who said that selling a boat is typically a happy day for a 
boater.  This is our 3rd sailboat sold, and we've been sad to see each of them 
go.

We'd been discussing going to something a bit more modern, with more room.  So, 
as the boat was in really great condition, I thought I would list it and see if 
anyone was interested.

I've bee eyeing center cockpit designs.  Some of our desired features are,

about 45 - 50 feet,

at least a sugar scoop transom if not walk thru,

larger cockpit (as most of our time, on board, is spent there)

lighter, brighter interior,

a good sized head with separate shower

a nice master suite with an island berth



Anyway, if anyone knows of any vessels we might want to check out, let me know!



Danny

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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

I love also amel marmu
Year 2000

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:54 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Martin:
>
>
>
> Say it ain’t so.
>
>
>
> My wife and I have the same deal.  I had two conditions:
> 1) college tuitions are all paid; and 2) we win the Wolford Trophy (a
> two-day race series named after my Dad) on the 42 Custom.  We won the
> Wolford Trophy last fall (two firsts).  I have about two years to go on
> college tuition.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
> C 42 Custom
>
>
>
> *From:* Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2023 2:53 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Martin DeYoung 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Boatless again
>
>
>
> We are preparing to list Calypso for sale in the near future but a 1971
> C 43 doesn’t meet Danny’s list of desired features.  My wife has called
> in the promise I made when we first bought Calypso. This  means she gets to
> pick our next boat. To her credit she has waited well over 20 years to call
> in that marker.  Much to my concern she’s focusing on classic wooden power
> boats. One she’s looking at even has gas engines.
>
>
>
> If someone wanted to cruise the west coast of Mexico Calypso is well set
> up for that as that was our plan when we first brought it out to Seattle.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C 43
>
> Seattle/Port Ludlow
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 22, 2023 11:30 AM
> *To: *Stus-List 
> *Cc: *Joel Aronson 
> *Subject: *Stus-List Re: Boatless again
>
>
>
> Danny,
>
> C 43?
>
> Hylas 46/49/54/56 (no separate shower on the 49)
>
> Outbound 46 (hard to find)
>
> Bristol (older)
>
>
>
> Good luck with the search!
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:42 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> So, We sold Rum Runner IV and we're going to start the process for our
> next boat.
>
> I'm not really sure who said that selling a boat is typically a happy day
> for a boater.  This is our 3rd sailboat sold, and we've been sad to see
> each of them go.
>
> We'd been discussing going to something a bit more modern, with more
> room.  So, as the boat was in really great condition, I thought I would
> list it and see if anyone was interested.
>
> I've bee eyeing center cockpit designs.  Some of our desired features are,
>
> about 45 - 50 feet,
>
> at least a sugar scoop transom if not walk thru,
>
> larger cockpit (as most of our time, on board, is spent there)
>
> lighter, brighter interior,
>
> a good sized head with separate shower
>
> a nice master suite with an island berth
>
>
>
> Anyway, if anyone knows of any vessels we might want to check out, let me
> know!
>
>
>
> Danny
>
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> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
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>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Joel
>
>
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Stus-List Re: shopping for a next boat

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Shopping for a new boat is exciting.  So much depends on budget and how you use 
your boat, where you sail, and if you take lots of family or friends.I like 
the newer boat designs that bring all the lines back to the helm, as I 
singlehand so much.   

Curious what you are budgeting for your next boat.

Chuck S 




> On 02/23/2023 7:48 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure there is much research that went into this comment.  Most of 
> the boats you listed have been around for decades and some are amazingly 
> designed and of high quality construction.  I think Andy was talking more 
> about the triangular shaped, (in plan) modern boats that are almost 
> catamaran-like.  These boats are, lightweight, flat bottomed boats, with a 
> hard chine on each side,  In essence, creating 2 hulls, one for each tack.  
> However, the interior vary, Moody's interior are very traditional, with 
> plenty of wood, curved corners and plenty of hand holds.  The older Hylas, 
> oyster, Holland boats, I'm looking at are pretty traditional.  One is even 
> designed by Sparkman and Stevens.
> 
> This will be our 4th sail boat, hence, our 4th shopping experience, and 
> one thing I can say with certainty, is there are plenty of surprises in boat 
> shopping.  You simply can't make these sweeping generalizations with any 
> degree of certainty.  There are some beautifully fitted out Bavaria's from 
> the late 90s early 2000s.  The boat shows simply can't be a real gauge of the 
> used boat market.  Hell, Catalina actually produced an amazingly well build 
> 38 footer that was designed by Sparkman and Stevens with plywood cored decks 
> and solid fiberglass hull.
> 
> Making an argument as to why you're hanging onto your boat is great.  But 
> to dismiss quality brans, wholesale like that, is just not helpful banter.  
> Thanks for the input, though.
> 
> Danny
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: Richard Bush 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 04:00:47 + (UTC)
> 
> 
> 
> I was pleased to read Andrew Burton's comments about the modern trendy 
> boats (hylas, oyster, moody, Holland, Bavaria, Dufour etc., ); when someasked 
> him what to avoid, he said..."... I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the 
> interiors tend to be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few 
> handholds."
> 
> Andy, thank you, thank you; I have long felt that way, and it is nice to 
> hear a person with your experience (and credentials) finally say it!
> That is a major reason I have held on to my C 37;  boats that can 
> provide what it provides are going to cost 10 times what I have in my boat 
> and don't handle as well..! 
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2023 5:34 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> 
> Not really. I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the interiors tend to be 
> a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few handholds.
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 
> > > On Feb 22, 2023, at 17:32, DJ via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Andy, Would have any suggestions as to what to stay clear 
> of?
> > 
> > On Feb 22, 2023 4:21 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Danny, I’ve delivered several modern 
> > fat-assed boats and though they tick a lot of boxes, they do not sail well 
> > unless you’re on your ear because of all the wetted surface.
> > > Andy
> > > 
> > > Andrew Burton
> > > 
> > > On Feb 22, 2023, at 16:01, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > I've got hylas, oyster, moody, 
> > > Ron Holland on my list so far. Maybe a Bavaria, or Dufour but, those can 
> > > really slam going to wind...
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album 
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

Martin:

 

Say it ain't so.

 

My wife and I have the same deal.  I had two conditions: 1)
college tuitions are all paid; and 2) we win the Wolford Trophy (a two-day
race series named after my Dad) on the 42 Custom.  We won the Wolford Trophy
last fall (two firsts).  I have about two years to go on college tuition.

 

Matt

C 42 Custom

 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 2:53 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

 

We are preparing to list Calypso for sale in the near future but a 1971 C
43 doesn't meet Danny's list of desired features.  My wife has called in the
promise I made when we first bought Calypso. This  means she gets to pick
our next boat. To her credit she has waited well over 20 years to call in
that marker.  Much to my concern she's focusing on classic wooden power
boats. One she's looking at even has gas engines.

 

If someone wanted to cruise the west coast of Mexico Calypso is well set up
for that as that was our plan when we first brought it out to Seattle.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C 43

Seattle/Port Ludlow

 

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 11:30 AM
To: Stus-List  
Cc: Joel Aronson  
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

 

Danny,

C 43?

Hylas 46/49/54/56 (no separate shower on the 49)

Outbound 46 (hard to find)

Bristol (older)

 

Good luck with the search!

Joel

 

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:42 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi guys,

 

So, We sold Rum Runner IV and we're going to start the process for our next
boat.

I'm not really sure who said that selling a boat is typically a happy day
for a boater.  This is our 3rd sailboat sold, and we've been sad to see each
of them go.

We'd been discussing going to something a bit more modern, with more room.
So, as the boat was in really great condition, I thought I would list it and
see if anyone was interested.  

I've bee eyeing center cockpit designs.  Some of our desired features are,

about 45 - 50 feet,

at least a sugar scoop transom if not walk thru,

larger cockpit (as most of our time, on board, is spent there)

lighter, brighter interior,

a good sized head with separate shower

a nice master suite with an island berth

 

Anyway, if anyone knows of any vessels we might want to check out, let me
know!

 

Danny

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-- 

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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

My feeling about boat shopping is that you will know her when you see her.

On 2/23/2023 4:48 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:
I'm not sure there is much research that went into this comment.  Most 
of the boats you listed have been around for decades and some are 
amazingly designed and of high quality construction.  I think Andy was 
talking more about the triangular shaped, (in plan) modern boats that 
are almost catamaran-like.  These boats are, lightweight, flat 
bottomed boats, with a hard chine on each side,  In essence, creating 
2 hulls, one for each tack.  However, the interior vary, Moody's 
interior are very traditional, with plenty of wood, curved corners and 
plenty of hand holds.  The older Hylas, oyster, Holland boats, I'm 
looking at are pretty traditional.  One is even designed by Sparkman 
and Stevens.
This will be our 4th sail boat, hence, our 4th shopping experience, 
and one thing I can say with certainty, is there are plenty of 
surprises in boat shopping.  You simply can't make these sweeping 
generalizations with any degree of certainty. There are some 
beautifully fitted out Bavaria's from the late 90s early 2000s.  The 
boat shows simply can't be a real gauge of the used boat market.  
Hell, Catalina actually produced an amazingly well build 38 footer 
that was designed by Sparkman and Stevens with plywood cored decks and 
solid fiberglass hull.
Making an argument as to why you're hanging onto your boat is great.  
But to dismiss quality brans, wholesale like that, is just not helpful 
banter.  Thanks for the input, though.

Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 04:00:47 + (UTC)

I was pleased to read Andrew Burton's comments about the modern trendy 
boats (hylas, oyster, moody, Holland, Bavaria, Dufour etc., ); when 
someasked him what to avoid, he said..."... I’m just not a fan of that 
ilk. Plus the interiors tend to be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp 
corners and few handholds."


Andy, thank you, thank you; I have long felt that way, and it is nice 
to hear a person with your experience (and credentials) finally say it!
That is a major reason I have held on to my C 37;  boats that can 
provide what it provides are going to cost 10 times what I have in my 
boat and don't handle as well..!

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2023 5:34 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

Not really. I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the interiors tend to 
be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few handholds.


Andrew Burton

On Feb 22, 2023, at 17:32, DJ via CnC-List 
wrote:

Andy, Would have any suggestions as to what to stay clear of?
On Feb 22, 2023 4:21 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List
 wrote:

Danny, I’ve delivered several modern fat-assed boats and
though they tick a lot of boxes, they do not sail well unless
you’re on your ear because of all the wetted surface.
Andy

Andrew Burton
On Feb 22, 2023, at 16:01, Danny Haughey via CnC-List
 wrote:

I've got hylas, oyster, moody, Ron Holland on my list so
far. Maybe a Bavaria, or Dufour but, those can really slam
going to wind...


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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Yes, I like most of Perry’s designs.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 08:39, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Bob Perry designed Saga 43.
>  
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  
Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would 
be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a 
Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!

-- Original Message --
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500

Hi Danny, 
I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, well-built 
boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a 
few years ago. 
If you need to be more performance-oriented, theres a sister to 
Masquerade (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the 
not too distant future.
Cheers
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Bob Perry designed Saga 43.

-- 
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I haven’t any experience with Moodys, but they have a good reputation. Oysters 
and Hylases are good well-built sea-kindly designs that sail well. To the list 
of good boats, I’d add the J/46 and the Morris 46 and 51. So many good boats to 
choose from. The boats I dislike are the ones Danny describes. 
The one thing that I would like, that my Baltic doesn’t have is a longish keel 
that I could let the boat settle on and dry out for bottom work rather than 
having to haul out at a yard. But the Baltic makes up for it by sailing 
well…and man, does she ever sail well! That’s also why I chose my C, too. I 
get incredible joy from a boat who sails well.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 07:50, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure there is much research that went into this comment.  Most of the 
> boats you listed have been around for decades and some are amazingly designed 
> and of high quality construction.  I think Andy was talking more about the 
> triangular shaped, (in plan) modern boats that are almost catamaran-like.  
> These boats are, lightweight, flat bottomed boats, with a hard chine on each 
> side,  In essence, creating 2 hulls, one for each tack.  However, the 
> interior vary, Moody's interior are very traditional, with plenty of wood, 
> curved corners and plenty of hand holds.  The older Hylas, oyster, Holland 
> boats, I'm looking at are pretty traditional.  One is even designed by 
> Sparkman and Stevens.
>  
> This will be our 4th sail boat, hence, our 4th shopping experience, and one 
> thing I can say with certainty, is there are plenty of surprises in boat 
> shopping.  You simply can't make these sweeping generalizations with any 
> degree of certainty.  There are some beautifully fitted out Bavaria's from 
> the late 90s early 2000s.  The boat shows simply can't be a real gauge of the 
> used boat market.  Hell, Catalina actually produced an amazingly well build 
> 38 footer that was designed by Sparkman and Stevens with plywood cored decks 
> and solid fiberglass hull.
>  
> Making an argument as to why you're hanging onto your boat is great.  But to 
> dismiss quality brans, wholesale like that, is just not helpful banter.  
> Thanks for the input, though.
>  
> Danny
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: Richard Bush 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 04:00:47 + (UTC)
> 
> I was pleased to read Andrew Burton's comments about the modern trendy boats 
> (hylas, oyster, moody, Holland, Bavaria, Dufour etc., ); when someasked him 
> what to avoid, he said..."... I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the 
> interiors tend to be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few 
> handholds."
> 
> Andy, thank you, thank you; I have long felt that way, and it is nice to hear 
> a person with your experience (and credentials) finally say it! 
> That is a major reason I have held on to my C 37;  boats that can provide 
> what it provides are going to cost 10 times what I have in my boat and don't 
> handle as well..! 
>  
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
>  
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2023 5:34 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> 
> Not really. I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the interiors tend to be a 
> bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few handholds.
> 
> Andrew Burton
> On Feb 22, 2023, at 17:32, DJ via CnC-List  wrote:
> Andy, Would have any suggestions as to what to stay clear of? 
>  
> On Feb 22, 2023 4:21 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> Danny, I’ve delivered several modern fat-assed boats and though they tick a 
> lot of boxes, they do not sail well unless you’re on your ear because of all 
> the wetted surface.
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
>  
> On Feb 22, 2023, at 16:01, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> I've got hylas, oyster, moody, Ron Holland on my list so far. Maybe a 
> Bavaria, or Dufour but, those can really slam going to wind...
>  
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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I'm not sure there is much research that went into this comment.  Most of the 
boats you listed have been around for decades and some are amazingly designed 
and of high quality construction.  I think Andy was talking more about the 
triangular shaped, (in plan) modern boats that are almost catamaran-like.  
These boats are, lightweight, flat bottomed boats, with a hard chine on each 
side,  In essence, creating 2 hulls, one for each tack.  However, the interior 
vary, Moody's interior are very traditional, with plenty of wood, curved 
corners and plenty of hand holds.  The older Hylas, oyster, Holland boats, I'm 
looking at are pretty traditional.  One is even designed by Sparkman and 
Stevens. This will be our 4th sail boat, hence, our 4th shopping experience, 
and one thing I can say with certainty, is there are plenty of surprises in 
boat shopping.  You simply can't make these sweeping generalizations with any 
degree of certainty.  There are some beautifully fitted out Bavaria's from the 
late 90s early 2000s.  The boat shows simply can't be a real gauge of the used 
boat market.  Hell, Catalina actually produced an amazingly well build 38 
footer that was designed by Sparkman and Stevens with plywood cored decks and 
solid fiberglass hull. Making an argument as to why you're hanging onto your 
boat is great.  But to dismiss quality brans, wholesale like that, is just not 
helpful banter.  Thanks for the input, though. Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 04:00:47 + (UTC)


I was pleased to read Andrew Burton's comments about the modern trendy boats 
(hylas, oyster, moody, Holland, Bavaria, Dufour etc., ); when someasked him 
what to avoid, he said..."... Im just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the 
interiors tend to be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few 
handholds."
 Andy, thank you, thank you; I have long felt that way, and it is nice to hear 
a person with your experience (and credentials) finally say it! 
 That is a major reason I have held on to my C 37;  boats that can provide 
what it provides are going to cost 10 times what I have in my boat and don't 
handle as well..!   Richards/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; 
 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255  -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Andrew Burton 
 Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2023 5:34 pm
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
 
Not really. Im just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the interiors tend to be 
a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few handholds.Andrew BurtonOn Feb 
22, 2023, at 17:32, DJ via CnC-List  wrote:Andy, Would 
have any suggestions as to what to stay clear of? 
 On Feb 22, 2023 4:21 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:Danny, Ive delivered several modern fat-assed boats and though 
they tick a lot of boxes, they do not sail well unless youre on your ear 
because of all the wetted surface.AndyAndrew Burton On Feb 22, 2023, at 16:01, 
Danny Haughey via CnC-List  wrote:I've got hylas, 
oyster, moody, Ron Holland on my list so far. Maybe a Bavaria, or Dufour but, 
those can really slam going to wind...
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