Stus-List Motor Mounts

[Rob Hamlin via CnC-List]

Hi
I’m replacing the motor mounts C&C 37+, Yanmar 3HM35F motor. 

Removed the two back mounts, looks like they are held in by machine bolts into 
bed.  The front two bolts holding each mount were stripped.

Question, anyone else came across this? thoughts on solution to re-fasten/bed 
the bolts.

-Rob
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Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the old bolts 
out, and is it possible to tap a new thread
next size up?  That would be easiest solution.  Otherwise, Major 
re-construction in your future, I see.
Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of fiberglass topped 
with a steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to secure 
it.  Otherwise grinder and lots of new

fiberglass.

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C&C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2023-03-10 06:17, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List wrote:

Hi
I’m replacing the motor mounts C&C 37+, Yanmar 3HM35F motor.

Removed the two back mounts, looks like they are held in by machine bolts into 
bed.  The front two bolts holding each mount were stripped.

Question, anyone else came across this? thoughts on solution to re-fasten/bed 
the bolts.

-Rob
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Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

[Rob Hamlin via CnC-List]

Thanks Jeff that was my other question, what’s under the fiberglass.

Yes I was able to get the bolts out.  Good thought on retapping and larger size.

-Rob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the old bolts out, 
> and is it possible to tap a new thread
> next size up?  That would be easiest solution.  Otherwise, Major 
> re-construction in your future, I see.
> Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of fiberglass topped with 
> a steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
> it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to secure it.  
> Otherwise grinder and lots of new
> fiberglass.
> 
> Cheers,
>  Jeff Nelson
>  Muir Caileag
>  C&C 30 - 549
>  Armdale Y.C.
> 
>> On 2023-03-10 06:17, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List wrote:
>> Hi
>> I’m replacing the motor mounts C&C 37+, Yanmar 3HM35F motor.
>> 
>> Removed the two back mounts, looks like they are held in by machine bolts 
>> into bed.  The front two bolts holding each mount were stripped.
>> 
>> Question, anyone else came across this? thoughts on solution to 
>> re-fasten/bed the bolts.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and 
>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Stu
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[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

I've not taken one (engine stringer) apart, but in other areas that I 
have inspected on mine, there is fiberglass and more fiberglass...
well over an inch thick in some areas.  I guess back then they were not 
sure how much was enough...  You may find
some epoxy saturated plywood...but I doubt it.  Which is actually good 
news as you can grind it out and glue it back together
just time and really messy effort in a small spaceif you have to.  
Try the re-tapping 1st.


Hope it all works out.

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C&C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2023-03-10 09:11, Rob Hamlin wrote:

Thanks Jeff that was my other question, what’s under the fiberglass.

Yes I was able to get the bolts out.  Good thought on retapping and larger size.

-Rob

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 10, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  
wrote:

Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the old bolts out, 
and is it possible to tap a new thread
next size up?  That would be easiest solution.  Otherwise, Major 
re-construction in your future, I see.
Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of fiberglass topped with a 
steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to secure it.  
Otherwise grinder and lots of new
fiberglass.

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C&C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.


On 2023-03-10 06:17, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List wrote:
Hi
I’m replacing the motor mounts C&C 37+, Yanmar 3HM35F motor.

Removed the two back mounts, looks like they are held in by machine bolts into 
bed.  The front two bolts holding each mount were stripped.

Question, anyone else came across this? thoughts on solution to re-fasten/bed 
the bolts.

-Rob
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Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Or a heli-coil

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:11 AM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jeff that was my other question, what’s under the fiberglass.
>
> Yes I was able to get the bolts out.  Good thought on retapping and larger
> size.
>
> -Rob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 10, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the old bolts
> out, and is it possible to tap a new thread
> > next size up?  That would be easiest solution.  Otherwise, Major
> re-construction in your future, I see.
> > Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of fiberglass topped
> with a steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
> > it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to secure
> it.  Otherwise grinder and lots of new
> > fiberglass.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Jeff Nelson
> >  Muir Caileag
> >  C&C 30 - 549
> >  Armdale Y.C.
> >
> >> On 2023-03-10 06:17, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> I’m replacing the motor mounts C&C 37+, Yanmar 3HM35F motor.
> >>
> >> Removed the two back mounts, looks like they are held in by machine
> bolts into bed.  The front two bolts holding each mount were stripped.
> >>
> >> Question, anyone else came across this? thoughts on solution to
> re-fasten/bed the bolts.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site
> and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> >> Thanks for your help.
> >> Stu
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> > Stu
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Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

Yes! That would be a great option as well, if a larger bolt size isn't 
possible for re-tapping, then just drill out

enough for the heli-coil of the right bolt size and good to go.

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C&C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2023-03-10 09:21, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Or a heli-coil

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:11 AM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Thanks Jeff that was my other question, what’s under the fiberglass.

Yes I was able to get the bolts out.  Good thought on retapping
and larger size.

-Rob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List
 wrote:
>
> Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the
old bolts out, and is it possible to tap a new thread
> next size up?  That would be easiest solution. Otherwise, Major
re-construction in your future, I see.
> Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of
fiberglass topped with a steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
> it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to
secure it.  Otherwise grinder and lots of new
> fiberglass.
>
> Cheers,
>  Jeff Nelson
>  Muir Caileag
>  C&C 30 - 549
>  Armdale Y.C.

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Motor Mounts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am not sure if this helps, but the C&C 35 engine mount is angle-iron that is 
bolted horizontally through the stringer and then the engine mount bolts go 
into vertical tapped holes.
That could possible be adapted for this case???
Joe
Coquina

From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 8:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

Yes! That would be a great option as well, if a larger bolt size isn't possible 
for re-tapping, then just drill out
enough for the heli-coil of the right bolt size and good to go.


Cheers,

  Jeff Nelson

  Muir Caileag

  C&C 30 - 549

  Armdale Y.C.
On 2023-03-10 09:21, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Or a heli-coil

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:11 AM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks Jeff that was my other question, what’s under the fiberglass.

Yes I was able to get the bolts out.  Good thought on retapping and larger size.

-Rob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>
> Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the old bolts out, 
> and is it possible to tap a new thread
> next size up?  That would be easiest solution.  Otherwise, Major 
> re-construction in your future, I see.
> Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of fiberglass topped with 
> a steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
> it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to secure it.  
> Otherwise grinder and lots of new
> fiberglass.
>
> Cheers,
>  Jeff Nelson
>  Muir Caileag
>  C&C 30 - 549
>  Armdale Y.C.

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Motor Mounts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Another thought,
Are the *bolts* stripped or the steel plate? Is it as easy as new bolts?
I did an emergency repair on my old Atomic 4 once by just using one tap size up 
to re-tap a stripped hole in the block, that may also work if you can get the 
engine out of the way and have a straight vertical shot at it.

Joe
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Like Joe said, angle iron.  The diesel in my 35-1 is mounted on angles
bolted through the rails.  1600 hours and no issues.  Another option is
have a shop fabricate a channel and install it over the rails through
bolted.

Look at stainless toggle bolts or Twist-Tee anchor bolts.  If you drill the
hole large, install one of those, hold it in place and refill the hole
around the anchor bolt.  However, that would require lifting the engine
over the protruding bolt.  Much easier putting a bolt into a thread hole
than lifting an engine over a bolt.

Not sure I would like a Heli-Coil or E-Z Lok here with the vibration.  But
it might work.
-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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[Rob Hamlin via CnC-List]

The bolts came finally came out with pressure and power impact.  It doesn’t 
appear to be wood under the fiberglass.

My plan is try to drill out see if I can re-tap or May look to cut out and back 
the stringer and glass afterwards.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 9:25 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Another thought,
> Are the *bolts* stripped or the steel plate? Is it as easy as new bolts?
> I did an emergency repair on my old Atomic 4 once by just using one tap size 
> up to re-tap a stripped hole in the block, that may also work if you can get 
> the engine out of the way and have a straight vertical shot at it.
>  
> Joe
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> Stu
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Stus-List Chandleries

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
too good -


Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
S&P wrote.>>

I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.

Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie, PA
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Jamestown Distributors has always given me great service. I haven't
compared their prices for a while but they were in line with other places
or lower. They have their own brand called Total Boat, which is very good,
unlike most West Marine brands.
Andy


Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:27 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
> going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
> pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
> too good -
>
> < 
> Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
> transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
> value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
> S&P wrote.>>
>
> I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.
>
> Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
> etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
> Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada Erie, PA
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I like Fisheries Supply in Seattle https://www.fisheriessupply.com/. You
can get on their email list, and get notified about special sales, or just
search their website.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:28 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
> going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
> pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
> too good -
>
> < 
> Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
> transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
> value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
> S&P wrote.>>
>
> I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.
>
> Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
> etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
> Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada Erie, PA
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!pBrBs4wWSzra5_xIgH56OBy2R-On3LbzHgMmIN5MkUE8F8KL7rRPJAPfJdLjhMnQ8RYJX5bbielAGZ0VVotdEW8$
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Bill,
Over the past several years I have found that Wholesale Marine is the lowest 
price for bottom paint.

https://www.wholesalemarine.com/

They typically have a paint sale or rebate offer right about now.  I see that 
VC17 is on sale now.

Otherwise, I look around and have used a number of different online retailers.  
The retailer depends on what I am looking for.

I haven't purchased anything from Defender in quite a while, but used to.  
Didn't know they were acquired -- explains the prices.  I purchase from West 
only when I need something quick or want to put my hands on it to examine 
before purchase.  Turned out the new fuel tank I put in last year was offered  
lowest price at West.  Never know. There is a store near me.

Jeff Laman
81 C&C34 "Harmony"
Ludington, MI

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 11:27 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Chandleries

Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been going 
after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been pretty 
pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look too good -


 Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the 
transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less 
value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,” S&P 
wrote.>>

I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.

Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine, etc?  I 
can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even Fishermen's supply 
is not that great anymore.

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie, PA
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fawcett Boat in Annapolis is always less than West and has free shipping on
most orders over $99.  They also have more sailing gear than the local
West.  I use a Port Supply discount at West.  It varies from 5% to 60%
depending on the item.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:39 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill,
> Over the past several years I have found that Wholesale Marine is the
> lowest price for bottom paint.
>
> https://www.wholesalemarine.com/
>
> They typically have a paint sale or rebate offer right about now.  I see
> that VC17 is on sale now.
>
> Otherwise, I look around and have used a number of different online
> retailers.  The retailer depends on what I am looking for.
>
> I haven't purchased anything from Defender in quite a while, but used to.
> Didn't know they were acquired -- explains the prices.  I purchase from
> West only when I need something quick or want to put my hands on it to
> examine before purchase.  Turned out the new fuel tank I put in last year
> was offered  lowest price at West.  Never know. There is a store near me.
>
> Jeff Laman
> 81 C&C34 "Harmony"
> Ludington, MI
> --
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 11:27 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Chandleries
>
> Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
> going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
> pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
> too good -
>
> < 
> Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
> transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
> value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
> S&P wrote.>>
>
> I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.
>
> Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
> etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
> Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada Erie, PA
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
>


-- 
Joel
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

and BOE Marine and the GPS Store for electronics.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:53 AM Joel Aronson 
wrote:

> Fawcett Boat in Annapolis is always less than West and has free shipping
> on most orders over $99.  They also have more sailing gear than the local
> West.  I use a Port Supply discount at West.  It varies from 5% to 60%
> depending on the item.
>
> Joel
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:39 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> Over the past several years I have found that Wholesale Marine is the
>> lowest price for bottom paint.
>>
>> https://www.wholesalemarine.com/
>>
>> They typically have a paint sale or rebate offer right about now.  I see
>> that VC17 is on sale now.
>>
>> Otherwise, I look around and have used a number of different online
>> retailers.  The retailer depends on what I am looking for.
>>
>> I haven't purchased anything from Defender in quite a while, but used
>> to.  Didn't know they were acquired -- explains the prices.  I purchase
>> from West only when I need something quick or want to put my hands on it to
>> examine before purchase.  Turned out the new fuel tank I put in last year
>> was offered  lowest price at West.  Never know. There is a store near me.
>>
>> Jeff Laman
>> 81 C&C34 "Harmony"
>> Ludington, MI
>> --
>> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 11:27 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Chandleries
>>
>> Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
>> going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
>> pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
>> too good -
>>
>> <> 
>> Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
>> transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
>> value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
>> S&P wrote.>>
>>
>> I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.
>>
>> Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
>> etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
>> Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>> Entrada Erie, PA
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[hans mhans.com via CnC-List]

There is still Defender. Though, their website is not as technologically up to 
date as Fisheries Supply. But, to be honest, I will always pay more to support 
our local joints if they have what I need. Easy for me to say, since we are 
fortunate to still have a few to chose from here in NYC.

~Hans
Corvette 31 #138, Inconceivable
Brooklyn, NY

On Mar 10, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

and BOE Marine and the GPS Store for electronics.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:53 AM Joel Aronson 
mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Fawcett Boat in Annapolis is always less than West and has free shipping on 
most orders over $99.  They also have more sailing gear than the local West.  I 
use a Port Supply discount at West.  It varies from 5% to 60% depending on the 
item.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:39 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Bill,
Over the past several years I have found that Wholesale Marine is the lowest 
price for bottom paint.

https://www.wholesalemarine.com/

They typically have a paint sale or rebate offer right about now.  I see that 
VC17 is on sale now.

Otherwise, I look around and have used a number of different online retailers.  
The retailer depends on what I am looking for.

I haven't purchased anything from Defender in quite a while, but used to.  
Didn't know they were acquired -- explains the prices.  I purchase from West 
only when I need something quick or want to put my hands on it to examine 
before purchase.  Turned out the new fuel tank I put in last year was offered  
lowest price at West.  Never know. There is a store near me.

Jeff Laman
81 C&C34 "Harmony"
Ludington, MI

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 11:27 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Chandleries

Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been going 
after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been pretty 
pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look too good -


 Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the 
transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less 
value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,” S&P 
wrote.>>

I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.

Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine, etc?  I 
can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even Fishermen's supply 
is not that great anymore.

Bill Coleman
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Vendors I sometimes use, right or wrong:

bottompaintstore.com

thezincguy.com, boatzincs,com

https://gregsmarinewiresupply.com/

Hodges Marine

For electronics:  thegpsstore.com

Fisheries Supply

Jamestown Distributors

eBay, Amazon and, strangely enough, the diesel lubricity additive I use I
buy at Tractor Supply.  :)

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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 10:27 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
> going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
> pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
> too good -
>
> < 
> Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
> transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
> value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
> S&P wrote.>>
>
> I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.
>
> Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
> etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
> Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada Erie, PA
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Our club has a group discount at Fisheries that I am happy to share.  
The more it is used the deeper the discounts go.  The actual discount 
amount varies from item to item.  But, in some areas it can be 
significant.  They also give a 10% discount for the first 90 day you own 
your boat.


Call in a mention Quartermaster Yacht Club and have them set up an 
account for you that is tied to the club discount.


The only other chandlery I can recommend is Hodges Marine. 
https://www.hodgesmarine.com/   They beat Fisheries and pretty much 
anywhere else on marine electronics including Raymarine.


Tom B


On 3/10/2023 8:36 AM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote:
I like Fisheries Supply in Seattle https://www.fisheriessupply.com/. 
You can get on their email list, and get notified about special sales, 
or just search their website.


Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


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Stus-List Re: Best Telltale Treatment

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Yes.  Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy on the shrouds and backstay.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Mar 9, 2023, at 6:39 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you try pieces of old cassette tape for ticklers and tell tales
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:37 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Great question.  I have used MacLube SailCoat but a waterproofing spray may 
> be better.  Just had a sail repaired and will ask the sailmaker when I pick 
> it up.
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
> 
> 
> > On 02/27/2023 10:16 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List  > > wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > Listers-
> > 
> > What, in your experience, has been the best treatment to apply to telltales 
> > to keep them from sticking from sails?  I’m talking mostly about yarn 
> > telltales along a headsail’s luff, but also ripstop nylon telltales on a 
> > mainsail’s leech?  I’ve noticed that sometimes yarn telltales will stick 
> > due to static or moisture.  I’d like to find the right magic potion or 
> > pixie dust to apply to give them the greatest ability possible to fly 
> > without sticking.  Then, making them fly properly is of course up to the 
> > crew.
> > 
> > Cheers,
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Motor Mounts

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Congratulations--another (unnecessary) example of matching the tool to the job!
Charlie Nelson


-Original Message-
From: Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; Rob Hamlin 
Sent: Fri, Mar 10, 2023 11:10 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Motor Mounts

The bolts came finally came out with pressure and power impact.  It doesn’t 
appear to be wood under the fiberglass.
My plan is try to drill out see if I can re-tap or May look to cut out and back 
the stringer and glass afterwards.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2023, at 9:25 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:




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*bolts* stripped or the steel plate? Is it as easy as new bolts? I did an 
emergency repair on my old Atomic 4 once by just using one tap size up to 
re-tap a stripped hole in the block, that may also work if you can get the 
engine out of the way and have a straight vertical shot at it.    Joe Please 
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Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

When I replaced Calypso's engine mounts I also needed to improve how the bolts 
were fastened to the engine beds. Calypso's engine beds are fiberglass over 
wood (for height and width) with a steel bar laminated on top of the wood under 
approx. 1/2" of fiberglass.

I was able to go up one size of bolt by re-drilling and re-tapping.  IIRC I did 
use a heli-coil on several bolt locations.  I also had four SS "U" brackets 
manufactured with the intention to use them to overbuild the engine/boat 
connection. What I determined was the extra height would mess up the 
engine/prop shaft alignment enough that I would need to slot the engine beds 
and inset the "U" brackets.  I chose not to do that.  I still have the brackets 
if any lister's are interested.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

From: Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 2:17 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Rob Hamlin 
Subject: Stus-List Motor Mounts

Hi
I’m replacing the motor mounts C&C 37+, Yanmar 3HM35F motor.

Removed the two back mounts, looks like they are held in by machine bolts into 
bed.  The front two bolts holding each mount were stripped.

Question, anyone else came across this? thoughts on solution to re-fasten/bed 
the bolts.

-Rob
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