Stus-List Re: Source for Lower lifeline bushings?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I tried the Heyco 2044 SB-437-5 White SNAP Bushings.  They didn't work
overly well.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 8:33 PM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Should clarify - the hole in the stanchion is .437”
> (7/16”) diameter, the I.D.  of the original bushing is .309 ish.  It
> appears to be a flanged, ‘top hat’ style.  Heyco  makes one, p/n 2044,
> which might work, but this is definitely not what was supplied originally.
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 20, 2023, at 8:03 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Cored hulls feedback wanted

[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

The newer C's such as the 99,110,115 & 121 use CoreCell foam rather than 
balsa core. Here is a good article explaining the pros and cons of different 
core types. The biggest advantage for CoreCell is that it doesn't absorb water.
  https://www.fram.nl/faq/how/SP_CoreCell_comp.pdf 
Ted DrossosC 110 Lady in RedLong Island, NY
  
        
  
  On 03/20/2023 7:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
wrote:   
   
   As we once again consider a boat with cored hull (LF43 or LF38), I am 
reminded of why we eventually chose our current 35 four years ago. I couldn't 
be sure of the hull integrity without an expensive survey, and at the low price 
range we could afford, avoiding a cored hull just removed this concern.   
   But as I understand it, most C over 35' have been cored since the late 
60s or early 70s depending on the model, so that includes a lot of boats, most 
of which are probably still sailing, albeit mainly coastal cruising or racing. 
Now as we consider the next boat for our long term offshore boat, things like 
potential hull damage from a reef or a collision in a remote part of the world 
are a concern.    
   So I am interested in hearing about experiences with cored C, problem 
which have occurred under both normal use and as a result of damage from 
impact, and how effectively they could be repaired.   
   I guess an additional question is how C's balsa coring compares with 
modern day foam coring, either with or without vacuum bagging. I assume foam 
has some advantages in not absorbing water.   
   Thanks.  
  --   Shawn Wright  


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Stus-List Re: Source for Lower lifeline bushings?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Are you referring to the top or lower lifeline?  In the older boats the top
was a cast bronze eye, with, I think a half inch od  X 16 ga. Tube bushing
for the lower -

Bill Coleman

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 20:04 Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have replaced Windstar's (33-2) lifelines, and need to find replacement
> bushings.   The originals have n ID of .309, the replacements I've seen are
> either too large (OD) or too small (ID).   Does anyone have a source for
> original sized bushings?
>
> Thx.   Dave
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Stus-List Re: Source for Lower lifeline bushings?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Should clarify - the hole in the stanchion is .437”
(7/16”) diameter, the I.D.  of the original bushing is .309 ish.  It appears to 
be a flanged, ‘top hat’ style.  Heyco  makes one, p/n 2044, which might work, 
but this is definitely not what was supplied originally.  
Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2023, at 8:03 PM, Dave S via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have replaced Windstar's (33-2) lifelines, and need to find replacement 
> bushings.   The originals have n ID of .309, the replacements I've seen are 
> either too large (OD) or too small (ID).   Does anyone have a source for 
> original sized bushings?
> 
> Thx.   Dave 
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Stus-List Re: Cored hulls feedback wanted

[Doug via CnC-List]

My lf39 has been raced in the Pacific by a previous owner.  She is still very 
solid. I have sailed her from Washington to Zihuatanejo with no concerns, or 
problems. My only current concern is the steering cables in the conduits. Doug 
Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht Club 
 Original message From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/20/23  18:45  (GMT-06:00) To: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
, Stus-List  Cc: Shawn Wright 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Cored hulls feedback wanted Hi 
Chuck,Sorry, I should have clarified that I meant balsa cored hull only. I'm 
not concerned with decks, and am comfortable fixing small areas there. I don't 
believe many boats used balsa cored hulls other than C, and certainly not 
many meant for bluewater cruising, but I could be wrong. Having seen first hand 
how involved a cored hull repair can be (a Landfall 42, and it was above the 
waterline, caused by a rafted power boat and some big wake), it does concern 
me, but maybe I worry too much...--Shawn wrightshawngwri...@gmail.coms/V 
Callisto, 1974 C 35https://www.facebook.com/SVCallistoOn Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 
5:17 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER  wrote:

  
   
 
 
  
   Balsa Core:  I'm pretty sure balsa coring was used by almost every 
manufacturer from the 70's, 80's and 90's to save weight, add stiffness, and 
problems can be detected by a decent survey.  C used Balsa but so did 
Pearson, O'Day, Columbia, Ericson, Swan, Baltic, Beneteau, Jeanneau, Peterson, 
Morgan, Hunter, Catalina, Columbia, on and on.  If you held a piece of balsa 
cored deck and compared it's lightness and stiffness to a solid laminate, you'd 
understand why a cored hull is so amazing and highly desirable.  I'd say 90% of 
the boats in the average boatyard are balsa cored boats, sailboats and 
powerboats.
  
  
   
  
  
   I've done some balsa core replacement and can share photos, but the end 
result is faired and painted and the repairs are undetectable, so my boat now 
looks better than when I bought her twenty years ago.  Plus, all of my deck 
penetrations are now overdrilled, filled with thickened epoxy, and redrilled 
for the fasteners, so the balsa is sealed from moisture, which wasn't done when 
my boat was built.  If a deck fastener leaks over time, the water will pass the 
balsa core and drip into the boat, alerting the owner to rebed the fitting.
  
  
   
  
  
   Many balsa cored boats are sailing offshore and around the world.  
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
   
  
  
   
  
  
 
  
  
   
  
  
       
   
  
  
   
On 03/20/2023 7:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
wrote:
   
   

   
   

   
   
As we once again consider a boat with cored hull (LF43 or LF38), I am 
reminded of why we eventually chose our current 35 four years ago. I couldn't 
be sure of the hull integrity without an expensive survey, and at the low price 
range we could afford, avoiding a cored hull just removed this concern. 

 


 But as I understand it, most C over 35' have been cored since the late 
60s or early 70s depending on the model, so that includes a lot of boats, most 
of which are probably still sailing, albeit mainly coastal cruising or racing. 
Now as we consider the next boat for our long term offshore boat, things like 
potential hull damage from a reef or a collision in a remote part of the world 
are a concern. 


 


 So I am interested in hearing about experiences with cored C, problem 
which have occurred under both normal use and as a result of damage from 
impact, and how effectively they could be repaired.


 


 I guess an additional question is how C's balsa coring compares with 
modern day foam coring, either with or without vacuum bagging. I assume foam 
has some advantages in not absorbing water.


 


 Thanks. 
 
 
  
   

 
  --
 
 
  Shawn Wright
 
 
  shawngwri...@gmail.com
  
 
 
  S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
 
 
  https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
  
 

   
  
 

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Stus-List Re: Cored hulls feedback wanted

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck,

Sorry, I should have clarified that I meant balsa cored hull only. I'm not
concerned with decks, and am comfortable fixing small areas there. I don't
believe many boats used balsa cored hulls other than C, and certainly not
many meant for bluewater cruising, but I could be wrong. Having seen first
hand how involved a cored hull repair can be (a Landfall 42, and it was
above the waterline, caused by a rafted power boat and some big wake), it
does concern me, but maybe I worry too much...

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 5:17 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
wrote:

> Balsa Core:  I'm pretty sure balsa coring was used by almost every
> manufacturer from the 70's, 80's and 90's to save weight, add stiffness,
> and problems can be detected by a decent survey.  C used Balsa but so did
> Pearson, O'Day, Columbia, Ericson, Swan, Baltic, Beneteau, Jeanneau,
> Peterson, Morgan, Hunter, Catalina, Columbia, on and on.  If you held a
> piece of balsa cored deck and compared it's lightness and stiffness to a
> solid laminate, you'd understand why a cored hull is so amazing and highly
> desirable.  I'd say 90% of the boats in the average boatyard are balsa
> cored boats, sailboats and powerboats.
>
> I've done some balsa core replacement and can share photos, but the end
> result is faired and painted and the repairs are undetectable, so my boat
> now looks better than when I bought her twenty years ago.  Plus, all of my
> deck penetrations are now overdrilled, filled with thickened epoxy, and
> redrilled for the fasteners, so the balsa is sealed from moisture, which
> wasn't done when my boat was built.  If a deck fastener leaks over time,
> the water will pass the balsa core and drip into the boat, alerting the
> owner to rebed the fitting.
>
> Many balsa cored boats are sailing offshore and around the world.
>
>
>
> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
>
>
>
>
>
> On 03/20/2023 7:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> As we once again consider a boat with cored hull (LF43 or LF38), I am
> reminded of why we eventually chose our current 35 four years ago. I
> couldn't be sure of the hull integrity without an expensive survey, and at
> the low price range we could afford, avoiding a cored hull just removed
> this concern.
>
> But as I understand it, most C over 35' have been cored since the late
> 60s or early 70s depending on the model, so that includes a lot of boats,
> most of which are probably still sailing, albeit mainly coastal cruising or
> racing. Now as we consider the next boat for our long term offshore boat,
> things like potential hull damage from a reef or a collision in a remote
> part of the world are a concern.
>
> So I am interested in hearing about experiences with cored C, problem
> which have occurred under both normal use and as a result of damage from
> impact, and how effectively they could be repaired.
>
> I guess an additional question is how C's balsa coring compares with
> modern day foam coring, either with or without vacuum bagging. I assume
> foam has some advantages in not absorbing water.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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>
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Stus-List Re: Cored hulls feedback wanted

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Balsa Core:  I'm pretty sure balsa coring was used by almost every manufacturer 
from the 70's, 80's and 90's to save weight, add stiffness, and problems can be 
detected by a decent survey.  C used Balsa but so did Pearson, O'Day, 
Columbia, Ericson, Swan, Baltic, Beneteau, Jeanneau, Peterson, Morgan, Hunter, 
Catalina, Columbia, on and on.  If you held a piece of balsa cored deck and 
compared it's lightness and stiffness to a solid laminate, you'd understand why 
a cored hull is so amazing and highly desirable.  I'd say 90% of the boats in 
the average boatyard are balsa cored boats, sailboats and powerboats.

I've done some balsa core replacement and can share photos, but the end result 
is faired and painted and the repairs are undetectable, so my boat now looks 
better than when I bought her twenty years ago.  Plus, all of my deck 
penetrations are now overdrilled, filled with thickened epoxy, and redrilled 
for the fasteners, so the balsa is sealed from moisture, which wasn't done when 
my boat was built.  If a deck fastener leaks over time, the water will pass the 
balsa core and drip into the boat, alerting the owner to rebed the fitting.

Many balsa cored boats are sailing offshore and around the world. 



Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis





> On 03/20/2023 7:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> As we once again consider a boat with cored hull (LF43 or LF38), I am 
> reminded of why we eventually chose our current 35 four years ago. I couldn't 
> be sure of the hull integrity without an expensive survey, and at the low 
> price range we could afford, avoiding a cored hull just removed this concern. 
> 
> But as I understand it, most C over 35' have been cored since the late 
> 60s or early 70s depending on the model, so that includes a lot of boats, 
> most of which are probably still sailing, albeit mainly coastal cruising or 
> racing. Now as we consider the next boat for our long term offshore boat, 
> things like potential hull damage from a reef or a collision in a remote part 
> of the world are a concern. 
> 
> So I am interested in hearing about experiences with cored C, problem 
> which have occurred under both normal use and as a result of damage from 
> impact, and how effectively they could be repaired.
> 
> I guess an additional question is how C's balsa coring compares with 
> modern day foam coring, either with or without vacuum bagging. I assume foam 
> has some advantages in not absorbing water.
> 
> Thanks. 
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Stus-List Source for Lower lifeline bushings?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I have replaced Windstar's (33-2) lifelines, and need to find replacement
bushings.   The originals have n ID of .309, the replacements I've seen are
either too large (OD) or too small (ID).   Does anyone have a source for
original sized bushings?

Thx.   Dave
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Stus-List Cored hulls feedback wanted

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

As we once again consider a boat with cored hull (LF43 or LF38), I am
reminded of why we eventually chose our current 35 four years ago. I
couldn't be sure of the hull integrity without an expensive survey, and at
the low price range we could afford, avoiding a cored hull just removed
this concern.

But as I understand it, most C over 35' have been cored since the late
60s or early 70s depending on the model, so that includes a lot of boats,
most of which are probably still sailing, albeit mainly coastal cruising or
racing. Now as we consider the next boat for our long term offshore boat,
things like potential hull damage from a reef or a collision in a remote
part of the world are a concern.

So I am interested in hearing about experiences with cored C, problem
which have occurred under both normal use and as a result of damage from
impact, and how effectively they could be repaired.

I guess an additional question is how C's balsa coring compares with
modern day foam coring, either with or without vacuum bagging. I assume
foam has some advantages in not absorbing water.

Thanks.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Only three LF43s that I know of for sale right now, 2 on YW, and one on FB.
No idea how many were made, and I suspect any that have seen hull damage in
the past 10-15 years were instantly written off (which of course is a
concern for offshore...)

We are also considering the Nelson-Marek designed Morgan 43/44/45, which
seem to offer a lot of the same things as a LF43 with a solid hull, and are
easier to find. Not as nice looking of course, and the interiors tend to be
darker. Not sure about other issues on them.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 8:22 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sure – that was not meant to mean the boats have a problem or are bad in
> any way.
>
> If people like them, they’ll keep them!
>
> If you want a Catalina 40, there are tons of them to look at. That makes
> shopping easy. That doesn’t mean the boats are good, but they aren’t hard
> to find.
>
> There are probably what – 4 or so LF 43s for sale on the entire planet?
> That means you’ll be taking what you can find, if you don’t like the color
> of the curtains or something that is too bad 
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Top left it says June 2016, no too current but great idea!


On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 4:20 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In Gallows Bay Marina?  Here's a link to street view.  I couldn't find it
> but no idea when Google's camera drove through.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@17.7483971,-64.6975807,3a,75y,76.4h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_Kwt4KdX8XRadP-IZKZbzA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D_Kwt4KdX8XRadP-IZKZbzA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D75.74297%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
>
> Love Google Maps.  :)
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:36 PM Chuck Saur via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI-  Not sure if it is for sale, but pretty sure there is a 43 sitting
>> on the hard in Gallows Bay on St Croix.  Been there for several years.
>> Always wondered what the story was, and unsure about status.  Light blue
>> hull.  Ketch rigged, which seems rare.
>>
>>
>> *Chuck Saur*
>>
>> 517 490-5926 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

In Gallows Bay Marina?  Here's a link to street view.  I couldn't find it
but no idea when Google's camera drove through.

https://www.google.com/maps/@17.7483971,-64.6975807,3a,75y,76.4h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_Kwt4KdX8XRadP-IZKZbzA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D_Kwt4KdX8XRadP-IZKZbzA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D75.74297%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Love Google Maps.  :)
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:36 PM Chuck Saur via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> FYI-  Not sure if it is for sale, but pretty sure there is a 43 sitting on
> the hard in Gallows Bay on St Croix.  Been there for several years. Always
> wondered what the story was, and unsure about status.  Light blue hull.
> Ketch rigged, which seems rare.
>
>
> *Chuck Saur*
>
> 517 490-5926 Cell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

FYI-  Not sure if it is for sale, but pretty sure there is a 43 sitting on
the hard in Gallows Bay on St Croix.  Been there for several years. Always
wondered what the story was, and unsure about status.  Light blue hull.
Ketch rigged, which seems rare.


*Chuck Saur*

517 490-5926 Cell





On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:08 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I didn’t say they were bad, just knock-offs.  In the mid40’s+, the IP’s
> seemed well suited for serious travel and quite a number have
> circumnavigated the world. There lack of balsa wood fiberglass laminate
> material avoids a lot of trouble in the South Pacific
>
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> --
>
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

If anyone wants to see the legroom issue:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/8e/68/d18e688ecd6376fa5193ec514bf71c38.jpg

JDB

 

From: John Conklin via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:20 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; John Conklin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

I looked at the Caliber 40 Collision Bulkhead ++  The Tankage is good on the
LRC Calibers++  but at 6'2" no way I fit in the side facing Nav station
where your feet are up on the curved part of the hull. Totally uncomfortable
for me at this important cruising seat.  If it didn't have that issue I
would probably select Caliber over the Island packet.

 

John Conklin

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:14 AM
To: 'Stus-List'  
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

I worked on both of them back in the day. The IP series are all full keel
boats with barn door rudders. They can be quite the pain to get into a slip
in a cramped marina. The one on my pier can just barely do it WITH a bow
thruster.

The Calibre boats are long-ish fin keel boats with skeg-hung rudders. In my
mind they are way closer to a Valiant 40 inspired boat than an IP.

YMMV 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >; Neil Andersen
mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Joe,

 

I didn't say they were bad, just knock-offs.  In the mid40's+, the IP's
seemed well suited for serious travel and quite a number have
circumnavigated the world. There lack of balsa wood fiberglass laminate
material avoids a lot of trouble in the South Pacific 

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800



From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < 
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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:56:54 AM
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe < 
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the
boat. Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for
offshore than an Island Packet.

As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very
few for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

BTW - there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is
interested.

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Caliber's are Island Packet knock-offs

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800



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Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Who said they sail like a dog?


On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:13 AM david coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Not being alot for sale is a sign of not too  many were made relative to
> other production boats and owners just like them .We have had ours over 15
> yrs.With that said  I do have my price thatI would sale her for like
> everyone here has their price.We have moved to west coast  of Florida
> now.As for them sailing like a "dog" per a earlier comment  I disagree.They
> perform very nice for what they are designed for.Not sure I want to go
> offshore with a  a boat that does 5 knots in a 7 breeze.
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sure – that was not meant to mean the boats have a problem or are bad in any 
way.
If people like them, they’ll keep them!
If you want a Catalina 40, there are tons of them to look at. That makes 
shopping easy. That doesn’t mean the boats are good, but they aren’t hard to 
find.
There are probably what – 4 or so LF 43s for sale on the entire planet? That 
means you’ll be taking what you can find, if you don’t like the color of the 
curtains or something that is too bad 

Joe
Coquina

From: david coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:13 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; david coleman 

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Not being alot for sale is a sign of not too  many were made relative to other 
production boats and owners just like them .We have had ours over 15 yrs.With 
that said  I do have my price thatI would sale her for like everyone here has 
their price.We have moved to west coast  of Florida now.As for them sailing 
like a "dog" per a earlier comment  I disagree.They perform very nice for what 
they are designed for.Not sure I want to go offshore with a  a boat that does 5 
knots in a 7 breeze.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 10:57 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the boat. 
Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for offshore than 
an Island Packet.
As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very few 
for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

Joe
Coquina

BTW – there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is 
interested.

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Neil Andersen 
mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Caliber’s are Island Packet knock-offs

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
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To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I looked at the Caliber 40 Collision Bulkhead ++  The Tankage is good on the 
LRC Calibers++  but at 6’2” no way I fit in the side facing Nav station where 
your feet are up on the curved part of the hull. Totally uncomfortable for me 
at this important cruising seat.  If it didn’t have that issue I would probably 
select Caliber over the Island packet.

John Conklin

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:14 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

I worked on both of them back in the day. The IP series are all full keel boats 
with barn door rudders. They can be quite the pain to get into a slip in a 
cramped marina. The one on my pier can just barely do it WITH a bow thruster.
The Calibre boats are long-ish fin keel boats with skeg-hung rudders. In my 
mind they are way closer to a Valiant 40 inspired boat than an IP.
YMMV

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; Neil Andersen 

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Joe,

I didn’t say they were bad, just knock-offs.  In the mid40’s+, the IP’s seemed 
well suited for serious travel and quite a number have circumnavigated the 
world. There lack of balsa wood fiberglass laminate material avoids a lot of 
trouble in the South Pacific

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:56:54 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions


I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the boat. 
Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for offshore than 
an Island Packet.

As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very few 
for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.



Joe

Coquina



BTW – there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is 
interested.



From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Neil Andersen 
mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions



Caliber’s are Island Packet knock-offs



Neil Andersen, W3NEA

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions



Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I worked on both of them back in the day. The IP series are all full keel
boats with barn door rudders. They can be quite the pain to get into a slip
in a cramped marina. The one on my pier can just barely do it WITH a bow
thruster.

The Calibre boats are long-ish fin keel boats with skeg-hung rudders. In my
mind they are way closer to a Valiant 40 inspired boat than an IP.

YMMV 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; Neil Andersen

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Joe,

 

I didn't say they were bad, just knock-offs.  In the mid40's+, the IP's
seemed well suited for serious travel and quite a number have
circumnavigated the world. There lack of balsa wood fiberglass laminate
material avoids a lot of trouble in the South Pacific 

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800

  _  

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:56:54 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the
boat. Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for
offshore than an Island Packet.

As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very
few for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

BTW - there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is
interested.

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Caliber's are Island Packet knock-offs

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800

  _  

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[david coleman via CnC-List]

Not being alot for sale is a sign of not too  many were made relative to
other production boats and owners just like them .We have had ours over 15
yrs.With that said  I do have my price thatI would sale her for like
everyone here has their price.We have moved to west coast  of Florida
now.As for them sailing like a "dog" per a earlier comment  I disagree.They
perform very nice for what they are designed for.Not sure I want to go
offshore with a  a boat that does 5 knots in a 7 breeze.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 10:57 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the
> boat. Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for
> offshore than an Island Packet.
>
> As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are
> very few for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose
> from.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> BTW – there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone
> is interested.
>
>
>
> *From:* Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions
>
>
>
> Caliber’s are Island Packet knock-offs
>
>
>
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA
>
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>
> 484-354-8800
> --
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions
>
>
>
> Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Joe,

I didn’t say they were bad, just knock-offs.  In the mid40’s+, the IP’s seemed 
well suited for serious travel and quite a number have circumnavigated the 
world. There lack of balsa wood fiberglass laminate material avoids a lot of 
trouble in the South Pacific

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:56:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions


I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the boat. 
Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for offshore than 
an Island Packet.

As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very few 
for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.



Joe

Coquina



BTW – there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is 
interested.



From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions



Caliber’s are Island Packet knock-offs



Neil Andersen, W3NEA

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800



From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions



Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sail costs

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

$2k
I spent more than half that for a UV strip replacement!

Joe
Coquina

From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:24 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Randal Stafford 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Sail costs

Hey Chuck,

I paid ~$2K for a new Genoa a year ago.  Sailmaker is Hyde (I also have a Hyde 
main, ~3 years old).  It’s a basic Dacron sail, designed for furling, with UV 
strip.  I chose a weight good to 20 kts.  A local guy measured for it and 
ordered it for me.

Cheers,
Randy
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 18, 2023, at 9:54 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 for 
$700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing horizontal 
battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled.  
I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service oriented, 
came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took time to 
evaluate my sails and offer options.

Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the boat. 
Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for offshore than 
an Island Packet.
As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very few 
for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

Joe
Coquina

BTW - there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is 
interested.

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Caliber's are Island Packet knock-offs

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
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Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

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