Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

They're connected. The forward one is small, will pump out in a few seconds
by itself, the aft one goes back to the engine compartment. May take a few
minutes with a small pump, but this is what I use to keep everything as dry
as possible (after a rain lets water down the mast, or when the mast boot
cracked and let in a bunch of water). If you follow the saga of 30-1's, the
mast step area should be kept dry.

Gary

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Good call Sam.  That's an interesting idea.  Sure cuts down on the number of
check valves to clog up.

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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Good call Sam.  That's an interesting idea.  Sure cuts down on the number of 
check valves to clog up.

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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone can come up with a good reason
not to do this, but one solution (if the two compartments are not
connected) might be to have the pump from the forward area discharge into
the main bilge aft of the mast.  Avoids clogging check valves and wouldn't
require a new thru-hull.  New pump moves water from the forward sump into
the main bilge, and then your existing pump sends it overboard.

Sam
C 35-3
SF

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The forward area is lower (under the mast step) than the aft one by about
> eight inches.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dr.
> Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dr. Mark Bodnar <drbod...@accesswave.ca>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
>
>
>
>
> Can you drill out a small limber hole? Allow the water from the forward
> bilge to drain back to the main bilge.
> If the hole is small it's won't let a torrent of water through if there is
> a major leak forward - but should allow the small amount to drip through
> and into the main bilge.
> Hole might get blocked with debris occasionally but not too hard to clean
> out if you leave a small stick to jab in clear.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>
>   - George Santayana
>
> On 2016-04-14 12:29 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hey listers,
>
> I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for
> your insight and suggestions.  It's much appreciated.
>
> My 1976 C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is
> very hard to access.
>
> My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of
> pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in
> that forward bilge that I pump out by hand.
>
> I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of
> that forward compartment.  It would be nice if it was automatic, but a
> switch is fine too.
>
> The two setups I'm considering:
>
> 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic
> switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of
> the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that.
>
> 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward
> bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose.  I switch it on
> when water accumulates in there.
>
>
>
> Has anyone done anything like this?  Anyone have a better solution for
> keeping that forward area dry?
>
> Ryan
>
> Nobody's Bargain
>
> 1976 C 30mki
>
> New York
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

If your 30-1 is like mine, the area where the ‘lower’ pump is barely larger 
than a typical bilge pump, about 3 or 4 inches square. I am using a direct pump 
down there on its own switch – have to pull the mast and remove the oak block 
to get to it.

 

Gary

#593

 

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via CnC-List
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Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

 

Danny and Joel, thank you.

Danny, that Whale SuperSub looks pretty perfect.  I think I'm going to go for 
the switched one:
http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8
 
<http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8=41ExLs7vjeL=sims=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8>
 
=41ExLs7vjeL=sims=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8

Joel, there's a dual Y check valve I found on Amazon that I think addresses 
your concern:
http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8
 
<http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8=136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX>
 =136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX

Thanks again guys.

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The forward area is lower (under the mast step) than the aft one by about
eight inches.

 

Gary

 

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Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar <drbod...@accesswave.ca>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

 


Can you drill out a small limber hole? Allow the water from the forward
bilge to drain back to the main bilge.
If the hole is small it's won't let a torrent of water through if there is a
major leak forward - but should allow the small amount to drip through and
into the main bilge.  
Hole might get blocked with debris occasionally but not too hard to clean
out if you leave a small stick to jab in clear.

Mark



 
 
There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2016-04-14 12:29 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:

Hey listers,

I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for your
insight and suggestions.  It's much appreciated.

My 1976 C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is
very hard to access. 

My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of
pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in
that forward bilge that I pump out by hand.

I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of that
forward compartment.  It would be nice if it was automatic, but a switch is
fine too.

The two setups I'm considering:

1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic
switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of
the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that.  

2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward
bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose.  I switch it on when
water accumulates in there.

 

Has anyone done anything like this?  Anyone have a better solution for
keeping that forward area dry?

Ryan

Nobody's Bargain

1976 C 30mki

New York






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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Just beware that check valves are prone to blockages.  It might be more 
reliable to run two separate discharge lines that discharge overboard rather 
than 2 check valves and 1 discharge.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)

> On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Danny and Joel, thank you.
> 
> Danny, that Whale SuperSub looks pretty perfect.  I think I'm going to go for 
> the switched one:
> http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8=41ExLs7vjeL=sims=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8
> 
> Joel, there's a dual Y check valve I found on Amazon that I think addresses 
> your concern:
> http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8=136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX
> 
> Thanks again guys.
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Danny and Joel, thank you.

Danny, that Whale SuperSub looks pretty perfect.  I think I'm going to go
for the switched one:
http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8=41ExLs7vjeL=sims=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8

Joel, there's a dual Y check valve I found on Amazon that I think addresses
your concern:
http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8=136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX

Thanks again guys.

Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  

Can you drill out a small limber hole? Allow the water from the
forward bilge to drain back to the main bilge.
If the hole is small it's won't let a torrent of water through if
there is a major leak forward - but should allow the small amount to
drip through and into the main bilge.  
Hole might get blocked with debris occasionally but not too hard to
clean out if you leave a small stick to jab in clear.

Mark


There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana
On 2016-04-14 12:29 PM, Ryan Doyle via
  CnC-List wrote:


  

  

  Hey listers,

I know I have been posting lots of questions recently,
so thank you for your insight and suggestions.  It's
much appreciated.

  
  My 1976 C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge
  compartment that is very hard to access. 
  
  My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a
  good job of pumping out that area, I routinely end up with
  a couple gallons of water in that forward bilge that I
  pump out by hand.
  

I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the
water out of that forward compartment.  It would be nice if
it was automatic, but a switch is fine too.

The two setups I'm considering:

  
  1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal
  automatic switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly
  having to cut some of the cabin sole out and repair it <---
  but I don't really want to do that.  
  

2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that
forward bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose. 
I switch it on when water accumulates in there.

  Has anyone done anything like this?  Anyone have a better
solution for keeping that forward area dry?

  
  Ryan
  
  Nobody's Bargain
  
  1976 C 30mki
  
  New York

  

  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Oh right. those little gushers come with a check valve.  I may use one hose, I 
was thinking I'd use 2 but, I'll figure it when I get there I suppose... Danny

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Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:44:56 -0400


If you are going to use 1 discharge hose you will need 2 check valves leading 
to the Y.  Otherwise, water will go back and forth. Joel
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan, I just picked up a couple of these for a similar situation on my boat. 
http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-bilge-pump-supersub-650gph-automatic-12v.html?gclid=CI6rpfW5jswCFYqDfgodMX4MiA
 On my previous boat, I installed a switch in an area forward of the head and a 
remote Whale Gusher Diaphragm pump and ran a hose down into the sump.  It 
worked well but I think If I were to do that again I'd use a switch like this 
one. http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-electric-field-bilge-switch.html Danny

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:29:02 -0400

Hey listers,

I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for your 
insight and suggestions.  It's much appreciated.

My 1976 C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is very 
hard to access. 

My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of pumping 
out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in that 
forward bilge that I pump out by hand.

I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of that 
forward compartment.  It would be nice if it was automatic, but a switch is 
fine too.

The two setups I'm considering:

1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic switch) 
and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of the cabin 
sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that.  

2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward bilge 
and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose.  I switch it on when water 
accumulates in there.

Has anyone done anything like this?  Anyone have a better solution for keeping 
that forward area dry?

RyanNobody's Bargain1976 C 30mkiNew York


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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

If you are going to use 1 discharge hose you will need 2 check valves
leading to the Y.  Otherwise, water will go back and forth.​

Joel

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> I just picked up a couple of these for a similar situation on my boat.
>
>
> http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-bilge-pump-supersub-650gph-automatic-12v.html?gclid=CI6rpfW5jswCFYqDfgodMX4MiA
>
> On my previous boat, I installed a switch in an area forward of the head
> and a remote Whale Gusher Diaphragm pump and ran a hose down into the
> sump.  It worked well but I think If I were to do that again I'd use a
> switch like this one.
>
> http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-electric-field-bilge-switch.html
>
> Danny
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle 
> Subject: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:29:02 -0400
>
> Hey listers,
>
> I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for
> your insight and suggestions.  It's much appreciated.
>
> My 1976 C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is
> very hard to access.
>
> My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of
> pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in
> that forward bilge that I pump out by hand.
>
> I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of
> that forward compartment.  It would be nice if it was automatic, but a
> switch is fine too.
>
> The two setups I'm considering:
>
> 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic
> switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of
> the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that.
>
> 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward
> bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose.  I switch it on
> when water accumulates in there.
>
> Has anyone done anything like this?  Anyone have a better solution for
> keeping that forward area dry?
>
> Ryan
> Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C 30mki
> New York
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Ryan, I just picked up a couple of these for a similar situation on my boat. 
http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-bilge-pump-supersub-650gph-automatic-12v.html?gclid=CI6rpfW5jswCFYqDfgodMX4MiA
 On my previous boat, I installed a switch in an area forward of the head and a 
remote Whale Gusher Diaphragm pump and ran a hose down into the sump.  It 
worked well but I think If I were to do that again I'd use a switch like this 
one. http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-electric-field-bilge-switch.html Danny

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Cc: Ryan Doyle 
Subject: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:29:02 -0400


Hey listers,

I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for your 
insight and suggestions.  It's much appreciated.

My 1976 C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is very 
hard to access. 

My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of pumping 
out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in that 
forward bilge that I pump out by hand.

I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of that 
forward compartment.  It would be nice if it was automatic, but a switch is 
fine too.

The two setups I'm considering:

1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic switch) 
and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of the cabin 
sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that.  

2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward bilge 
and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose.  I switch it on when water 
accumulates in there.

Has anyone done anything like this?  Anyone have a better solution for keeping 
that forward area dry?

RyanNobody's Bargain1976 C 30mkiNew York

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