Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
They're connected. The forward one is small, will pump out in a few seconds by itself, the aft one goes back to the engine compartment. May take a few minutes with a small pump, but this is what I use to keep everything as dry as possible (after a rain lets water down the mast, or when the mast boot cracked and let in a bunch of water). If you follow the saga of 30-1's, the mast step area should be kept dry. Gary -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ryan Doyle Subject: Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump Good call Sam. That's an interesting idea. Sure cuts down on the number of check valves to clog up. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Good call Sam. That's an interesting idea. Sure cuts down on the number of check valves to clog up. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone can come up with a good reason not to do this, but one solution (if the two compartments are not connected) might be to have the pump from the forward area discharge into the main bilge aft of the mast. Avoids clogging check valves and wouldn't require a new thru-hull. New pump moves water from the forward sump into the main bilge, and then your existing pump sends it overboard. Sam C&C 35-3 SF On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The forward area is lower (under the mast step) than the aft one by about > eight inches. > > > > Gary > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dr. > Mark Bodnar via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:57 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Dr. Mark Bodnar > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump > > > > > Can you drill out a small limber hole? Allow the water from the forward > bilge to drain back to the main bilge. > If the hole is small it's won't let a torrent of water through if there is > a major leak forward - but should allow the small amount to drip through > and into the main bilge. > Hole might get blocked with debris occasionally but not too hard to clean > out if you leave a small stick to jab in clear. > > Mark > > > > > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > > - George Santayana > > On 2016-04-14 12:29 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote: > > Hey listers, > > I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for > your insight and suggestions. It's much appreciated. > > My 1976 C&C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is > very hard to access. > > My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of > pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in > that forward bilge that I pump out by hand. > > I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of > that forward compartment. It would be nice if it was automatic, but a > switch is fine too. > > The two setups I'm considering: > > 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic > switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of > the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that. > > 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward > bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose. I switch it on > when water accumulates in there. > > > > Has anyone done anything like this? Anyone have a better solution for > keeping that forward area dry? > > Ryan > > Nobody's Bargain > > 1976 C&C 30mki > > New York > > > > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
If your 30-1 is like mine, the area where the ‘lower’ pump is barely larger than a typical bilge pump, about 3 or 4 inches square. I am using a direct pump down there on its own switch – have to pull the mast and remove the oak block to get to it. Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ryan Doyle Subject: Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump Danny and Joel, thank you. Danny, that Whale SuperSub looks pretty perfect. I think I'm going to go for the switched one: http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=41ExLs7vjeL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8> &dpID=41ExLs7vjeL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8 Joel, there's a dual Y check valve I found on Amazon that I think addresses your concern: http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX> &refRID=136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX Thanks again guys. Ryan ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
The forward area is lower (under the mast step) than the aft one by about eight inches. Gary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar Subject: Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump Can you drill out a small limber hole? Allow the water from the forward bilge to drain back to the main bilge. If the hole is small it's won't let a torrent of water through if there is a major leak forward - but should allow the small amount to drip through and into the main bilge. Hole might get blocked with debris occasionally but not too hard to clean out if you leave a small stick to jab in clear. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2016-04-14 12:29 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote: Hey listers, I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for your insight and suggestions. It's much appreciated. My 1976 C&C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is very hard to access. My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in that forward bilge that I pump out by hand. I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of that forward compartment. It would be nice if it was automatic, but a switch is fine too. The two setups I'm considering: 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that. 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose. I switch it on when water accumulates in there. Has anyone done anything like this? Anyone have a better solution for keeping that forward area dry? Ryan Nobody's Bargain 1976 C&C 30mki New York ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Just beware that check valves are prone to blockages. It might be more reliable to run two separate discharge lines that discharge overboard rather than 2 check valves and 1 discharge. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com Email: dainyr...@icloud.com Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) > On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List > wrote: > > Danny and Joel, thank you. > > Danny, that Whale SuperSub looks pretty perfect. I think I'm going to go for > the switched one: > http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=41ExLs7vjeL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8 > > Joel, there's a dual Y check valve I found on Amazon that I think addresses > your concern: > http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX > > Thanks again guys. > > Ryan > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Danny and Joel, thank you. Danny, that Whale SuperSub looks pretty perfect. I think I'm going to go for the switched one: http://www.amazon.com/Whale-SS5012-Supersub-Bilge-Pump/dp/B003E21IAM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=41ExLs7vjeL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=040MZH4KWCA66H7G4RA8 Joel, there's a dual Y check valve I found on Amazon that I think addresses your concern: http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Dual-Bilge-Y-Valve/dp/B00EFXYNV0/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=136WMF8F1DTS722ZGADX Thanks again guys. Ryan ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Can you drill out a small limber hole? Allow the water from the forward bilge to drain back to the main bilge. If the hole is small it's won't let a torrent of water through if there is a major leak forward - but should allow the small amount to drip through and into the main bilge. Hole might get blocked with debris occasionally but not too hard to clean out if you leave a small stick to jab in clear. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2016-04-14 12:29 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote: Hey listers, I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for your insight and suggestions. It's much appreciated. My 1976 C&C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is very hard to access. My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in that forward bilge that I pump out by hand. I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of that forward compartment. It would be nice if it was automatic, but a switch is fine too. The two setups I'm considering: 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that. 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose. I switch it on when water accumulates in there. Has anyone done anything like this? Anyone have a better solution for keeping that forward area dry? Ryan Nobody's Bargain 1976 C&C 30mki New York ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Oh right. those little gushers come with a check valve. I may use one hose, I was thinking I'd use 2 but, I'll figure it when I get there I suppose... Danny -- Original Message -- From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:44:56 -0400 If you are going to use 1 discharge hose you will need 2 check valves leading to the Y. Otherwise, water will go back and forth. Joel On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote: Hi Ryan, I just picked up a couple of these for a similar situation on my boat. http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-bilge-pump-supersub-650gph-automatic-12v.html?gclid=CI6rpfW5jswCFYqDfgodMX4MiA On my previous boat, I installed a switch in an area forward of the head and a remote Whale Gusher Diaphragm pump and ran a hose down into the sump. It worked well but I think If I were to do that again I'd use a switch like this one. http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-electric-field-bilge-switch.html Danny -- Original Message -- From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ryan Doyle Subject: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:29:02 -0400 Hey listers, I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for your insight and suggestions. It's much appreciated. My 1976 C&C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is very hard to access. My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in that forward bilge that I pump out by hand. I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of that forward compartment. It would be nice if it was automatic, but a switch is fine too. The two setups I'm considering: 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that. 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose. I switch it on when water accumulates in there. Has anyone done anything like this? Anyone have a better solution for keeping that forward area dry? RyanNobody's Bargain1976 C&C 30mkiNew York ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
If you are going to use 1 discharge hose you will need 2 check valves leading to the Y. Otherwise, water will go back and forth. Joel On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > I just picked up a couple of these for a similar situation on my boat. > > > http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-bilge-pump-supersub-650gph-automatic-12v.html?gclid=CI6rpfW5jswCFYqDfgodMX4MiA > > On my previous boat, I installed a switch in an area forward of the head > and a remote Whale Gusher Diaphragm pump and ran a hose down into the > sump. It worked well but I think If I were to do that again I'd use a > switch like this one. > > http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-electric-field-bilge-switch.html > > Danny > > > -- Original Message -- > From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Ryan Doyle > Subject: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:29:02 -0400 > > Hey listers, > > I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for > your insight and suggestions. It's much appreciated. > > My 1976 C&C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is > very hard to access. > > My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of > pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in > that forward bilge that I pump out by hand. > > I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of > that forward compartment. It would be nice if it was automatic, but a > switch is fine too. > > The two setups I'm considering: > > 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic > switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of > the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that. > > 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward > bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose. I switch it on > when water accumulates in there. > > Has anyone done anything like this? Anyone have a better solution for > keeping that forward area dry? > > Ryan > Nobody's Bargain > 1976 C&C 30mki > New York > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump
Hi Ryan, I just picked up a couple of these for a similar situation on my boat. http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-bilge-pump-supersub-650gph-automatic-12v.html?gclid=CI6rpfW5jswCFYqDfgodMX4MiA On my previous boat, I installed a switch in an area forward of the head and a remote Whale Gusher Diaphragm pump and ran a hose down into the sump. It worked well but I think If I were to do that again I'd use a switch like this one. http://www.starmarinedepot.com/whale-electric-field-bilge-switch.html Danny -- Original Message -- From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ryan Doyle Subject: Stus-List Additional forward bilge pump Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:29:02 -0400 Hey listers, I know I have been posting lots of questions recently, so thank you for your insight and suggestions. It's much appreciated. My 1976 C&C 30mki accumulates water in a forward bilge compartment that is very hard to access. My bilge pump is aft of the mast step, and while it does a good job of pumping out that area, I routinely end up with a couple gallons of water in that forward bilge that I pump out by hand. I'd like to rig a utility pump or a bilge pump to suck the water out of that forward compartment. It would be nice if it was automatic, but a switch is fine too. The two setups I'm considering: 1 - I buy a very small bilge pump (ideally with an internal automatic switch) and try to squeeze it down there... possibly having to cut some of the cabin sole out and repair it <--- but I don't really want to do that. 2 - I buy a 12V utility pump and run a bilge hose down into that forward bilge and connect the outflow to my current bilge hose. I switch it on when water accumulates in there. Has anyone done anything like this? Anyone have a better solution for keeping that forward area dry? RyanNobody's Bargain1976 C&C 30mkiNew York ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!