Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Septum is 30-2 #167. She has a Universal 20 up diesel


On Sep 10, 2017 11:18 AM, "Chad Osmond via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> > Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of
> it's era made and it has a universal diesel.
>
> Check the hull number, it will be on the transom, and in the aft cabin
> beside the stove.
> The last few digits show the hull number, it'll be between 140?-175.
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've come across this interesting 1990 c 30 mark ii but the hull has
>> been painted with awlgrip.
>>
>> http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-62
>> 59222/#.WbMazdEpCfA
>>
>> From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but
>> then can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for
>> related posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a
>> really bad idea to have this paint on the hull?
>>
>> Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's
>> era made and it has a universal diesel.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lisle
>>
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Chad Osmond via CnC-List]

> Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's
era made and it has a universal diesel.

Check the hull number, it will be on the transom, and in the aft cabin
beside the stove.
The last few digits show the hull number, it'll be between 140?-175.

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've come across this interesting 1990 c 30 mark ii but the hull has
> been painted with awlgrip.
>
> http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-
> 6259222/#.WbMazdEpCfA
>
> From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but
> then can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for
> related posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a
> really bad idea to have this paint on the hull?
>
> Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's
> era made and it has a universal diesel.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lisle
>
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yep, sorry guys, I stand corrected.  It was Awlcraft 2000 to which I meant
to refer.  Awlgrip 2000 doesn't exist.

Josh



On Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 8:54 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> There is also Awlcraft 2000 which is a "softer", more easily repaired
> version of Awlgrip.  I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft in 2011.  Still
> looks great.  Still getting compliments.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:40 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Awlgrip is the original paint which is beautiful because it has a color
>> and clear coat in the same application.  The color settles and the clear
>> comes to the surface.  This makes for the brilliant, long lasting shine.
>> The problem comes when repairs are required.  In order to repair a damaged
>> area the border between old and nem needs to be feathered in.  This creates
>> a halo around the damaged area and is caused by the separate layers of
>> clear and color.  The company insists that only their soap is formulated to
>> prevent damaging the finish.  They also insist that any amount of
>> polishing/buffing/sanding/or waxing will cause damage to the paint,
>> subsequently hold dirt and look dull.
>>
>> Awlgrip has come out with a newer product called Awlgrip 2000 and it
>> doesn't have the separate clear and color parts.  It isn't quite as
>> beautiful when new but it is easier to repair.  I'm not sure about
>> polishing.
>>
>> There is a second company which was recommended to me by a boat yard
>> called Alex Seal.  They said that it looks and works almost exactly like
>> Awlgrip 2000 but is cheaper.  They pointed to what looked like a new travel
>> lift and said they had rebuilt it 5 years ago and that it was a 20 year old
>> lift.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I used Awlcraft 2000 for the hull and the decks. I had already decided to use 
it after talking to the Alexseal rep (good stuff, same as Awlcraft 2000) and 
when conferring with my painter he said that that was they only shot Awlcraft 
on new builds and repairs. Another former professional painter from Zimmerman 
Marine preferred it.

I’ve been able do some buffing of areas with a bit of orange peel. 
Repairability was tops on my list both because I was going to be doing the 
painting and because I run into things. Often...

As far as it not being as “beautiful” as Awlgrip, well, I’m fairly certain that 
no-one can tell the difference between well-done Awlcraft and Awlgrip. Maybe a 
professional.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> There is also Awlcraft 2000 which is a "softer", more easily repaired version 
> of Awlgrip.  I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft in 2011.  Still looks great. 
>  Still getting compliments.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:40 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> Awlgrip is the original paint which is beautiful because it has a color and 
> clear coat in the same application.  The color settles and the clear comes to 
> the surface.  This makes for the brilliant, long lasting shine.  The problem 
> comes when repairs are required.  In order to repair a damaged area the 
> border between old and nem needs to be feathered in.  This creates a halo 
> around the damaged area and is caused by the separate layers of clear and 
> color.  The company insists that only their soap is formulated to prevent 
> damaging the finish.  They also insist that any amount of 
> polishing/buffing/sanding/or waxing will cause damage to the paint, 
> subsequently hold dirt and look dull.
> 
> Awlgrip has come out with a newer product called Awlgrip 2000 and it doesn't 
> have the separate clear and color parts.  It isn't quite as beautiful when 
> new but it is easier to repair.  I'm not sure about polishing.
> 
> There is a second company which was recommended to me by a boat yard called 
> Alex Seal.  They said that it looks and works almost exactly like Awlgrip 
> 2000 but is cheaper.  They pointed to what looked like a new travel lift and 
> said they had rebuilt it 5 years ago and that it was a 20 year old lift.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

There is also Awlcraft 2000 which is a "softer", more easily repaired
version of Awlgrip.  I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft in 2011.  Still
looks great.  Still getting compliments.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:40 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Awlgrip is the original paint which is beautiful because it has a color
> and clear coat in the same application.  The color settles and the clear
> comes to the surface.  This makes for the brilliant, long lasting shine.
> The problem comes when repairs are required.  In order to repair a damaged
> area the border between old and nem needs to be feathered in.  This creates
> a halo around the damaged area and is caused by the separate layers of
> clear and color.  The company insists that only their soap is formulated to
> prevent damaging the finish.  They also insist that any amount of
> polishing/buffing/sanding/or waxing will cause damage to the paint,
> subsequently hold dirt and look dull.
>
> Awlgrip has come out with a newer product called Awlgrip 2000 and it
> doesn't have the separate clear and color parts.  It isn't quite as
> beautiful when new but it is easier to repair.  I'm not sure about
> polishing.
>
> There is a second company which was recommended to me by a boat yard
> called Alex Seal.  They said that it looks and works almost exactly like
> Awlgrip 2000 but is cheaper.  They pointed to what looked like a new travel
> lift and said they had rebuilt it 5 years ago and that it was a 20 year old
> lift.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Awlgrip is the original paint which is beautiful because it has a color and
clear coat in the same application.  The color settles and the clear comes
to the surface.  This makes for the brilliant, long lasting shine.  The
problem comes when repairs are required.  In order to repair a damaged area
the border between old and nem needs to be feathered in.  This creates a
halo around the damaged area and is caused by the separate layers of clear
and color.  The company insists that only their soap is formulated to
prevent damaging the finish.  They also insist that any amount of
polishing/buffing/sanding/or waxing will cause damage to the paint,
subsequently hold dirt and look dull.

Awlgrip has come out with a newer product called Awlgrip 2000 and it
doesn't have the separate clear and color parts.  It isn't quite as
beautiful when new but it is easier to repair.  I'm not sure about
polishing.

There is a second company which was recommended to me by a boat yard called
Alex Seal.  They said that it looks and works almost exactly like Awlgrip
2000 but is cheaper.  They pointed to what looked like a new travel lift
and said they had rebuilt it 5 years ago and that it was a 20 year old lift.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sep 8, 2017 6:43 PM, "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've come across this interesting 1990 c 30 mark ii but the hull has
> been painted with awlgrip.
>
> http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-
> 6259222/#.WbMazdEpCfA
>
> From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but
> then can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for
> related posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a
> really bad idea to have this paint on the hull?
>
> Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's
> era made and it has a universal diesel.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lisle
>
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Rejex is the only polish I have seen that will get you through a canal or any 
brackish water without getting a mustache. It is nothing short of amazing.
http://www.rejex.com/rejex.html


Regards,
Bill Coleman  C 39

 Original message 
From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 9/9/17  12:20  (GMT-05:00) 
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain 

AwlCare is good stuff.  I use it on Touche's 4 year old Awlcraft 2000 paint 
about every 6 months.  It's very easy to apply and polish.  Can do entire boat 
in about 2-3 hours.  Nice shine when done.  Recommended.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: The instructions for maintaining the new paint 
job are to wash regularly with fresh water, and annually with a product sold by 
the paint company. (Awlcare?). The guy who did my paint job says the special 
stuff really isn’t necessary, though it might be a good idea after the paint 
job is a few years old.  

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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Had mine painted red in the mid-eighties and was great looking for twenty or 
more years.  Last couple of years it's been looking kinda dull.  Time to 
repaint after thirty plus years.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" 
 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Lisle Kingery, PhD" 
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 5:43 PM
 Subject: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain
   
Hi all, 

I've come across this interesting 1990 c 30 mark ii but the hull has been 
painted with awlgrip. 
http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-6259222/#.WbMazdEpCfA

>From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but then 
>can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for related 
>posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a really bad 
>idea to have this paint on the hull? 
Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's era 
made and it has a universal diesel.
Thanks,
Lisle___

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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

AwlCare is good stuff.  I use it on Touche's 4 year old Awlcraft 2000 paint
about every 6 months.  It's very easy to apply and polish.  Can do entire
boat in about 2-3 hours.  Nice shine when done.  Recommended.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> The instructions for maintaining the new paint job are to wash regularly
> with fresh water, and annually with a product sold by the paint company.
> (Awlcare?). The guy who did my paint job says the special stuff really
> isn’t necessary, though it might be a good idea after the paint job is a
> few years old.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Lisle;

 

My 41 year old 38 just had her second paint job last fall. The previous one
was over 20 years old, and looking a bit worse for wear - but had gotten
very little maintenance in the 14 years since I bought her.

 

The instructions for maintaining the new paint job are to wash regularly
with fresh water, and annually with a product sold by the paint company.
(Awlcare?). The guy who did my paint job says the special stuff really isn't
necessary, though it might be a good idea after the paint job is a few years
old. 

 

I have to say, that's a lot less maintenance than a wax job on gelcoat every
3 to 6 months.. Or even the annual New Glass refresh I do on my 25.

 

And, unless the photos of the 30 that you posted are quite old, it appears
the boat is VERY shiny and the paint job should last a long time.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 7:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

 

I agree with Bruce. My ex C 24 had the hull awlgripped before I bought it.
I had it for 8 years and had no problems. No waxing needed. Just wash every
spring. And looks great. Not to mention that it seals the hull better than
gelcoat. 

 

Marek 

1994 c270 Legato

Ottawa, Ontario 

 

 

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<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 9/8/17 19:57 (GMT-04:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> > 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain 

 

I had a 1977 27 for 16 years that was awgripped before I bought her in 2000.
Looked great, tough as all get out and got compliments right up until the
day I sold her.  Clean it up well and apply Poliglow.  Better than Gelcoat
IMHO.  

 

Bruce Whitmore 

1994 C 37/40+

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Our hull is Awlgripped, probably 10 or more years ago. When we washed it
this spring I was asked by several people if we had just had the boat
painted, it still looks that good.

Awlgrip lasts a very long time.

Don't wax it and do not put Poly Glow on it, just clean it now and then.

Ken H.

On Saturday, 9 September 2017, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I agree with Bruce. My ex C 24 had the hull awlgripped before I bought
it.  I had it for 8 years and had no problems. No waxing needed. Just wash
every spring. And looks great. Not to mention that it seals the hull better
than gelcoat.
> Marek
> 1994 c270 Legato
> Ottawa, Ontario
>
>  Original message 
> From: bwhitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/8/17 19:57 (GMT-04:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain
> I had a 1977 27 for 16 years that was awgripped before I bought her in
2000.  Looked great, tough as all get out and got compliments right up
until the day I sold her.  Clean it up well and apply Poliglow.  Better
than Gelcoat IMHO.
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> Dodging Irma...
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/8/17 6:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Lisle Kingery, PhD" <lisle.king...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain
> Hi all,
>
> I've come across this interesting 1990 c 30 mark ii but the hull has
been painted with awlgrip.
>
http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-6259222/#.WbMazdEpCfA
>
> From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but
then can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for
related posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a
really bad idea to have this paint on the hull?
> Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's
era made and it has a universal diesel.
> Thanks,
> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I agree with Bruce. My ex C 24 had the hull awlgripped before I bought it.  I 
had it for 8 years and had no problems. No waxing needed. Just wash every 
spring. And looks great. Not to mention that it seals the hull better than 
gelcoat.

Marek
1994 c270 Legato
Ottawa, Ontario


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Date: 9/8/17 19:57 (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

I had a 1977 27 for 16 years that was awgripped before I bought her in 2000.  
Looked great, tough as all get out and got compliments right up until the day I 
sold her.  Clean it up well and apply Poliglow.  Better than Gelcoat IMHO.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+

Dodging Irma...



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From: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 9/8/17 6:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Lisle Kingery, PhD" <lisle.king...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

Hi all,

I've come across this interesting 1990 c 30 mark ii but the hull has been 
painted with awlgrip.

http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-6259222/#.WbMazdEpCfA

>From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but then 
>can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for related 
>posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a really bad 
>idea to have this paint on the hull?

Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's era 
made and it has a universal diesel.

Thanks,

Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

I had a 1977 27 for 16 years that was awgripped before I bought her in 2000.  
Looked great, tough as all get out and got compliments right up until the day I 
sold her.  Clean it up well and apply Poliglow.  Better than Gelcoat IMHO.  
Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+
Dodging Irma...


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 Original message From: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" 
 Date: 9/8/17  6:42 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
CnC-List@cnc-list.com Cc: "Lisle Kingery, PhD"  
Subject: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain 
Hi all, 

I've come across this interesting 1990 c 30 mark ii but the hull has been 
painted with awlgrip. 
http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-6259222/#.WbMazdEpCfA

From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but then 
can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for related 
posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a really bad 
idea to have this paint on the hull? 
Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's era 
made and it has a universal diesel.
Thanks,
Lisle
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