Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Just got the same thing from Defender last year. It was a foggy cruise to
new Brunswick and the package worked very well. I especially liked the fact
that I could get everything on my ipad while at the nav table or in my
bunk.
Bottom line is that it's pretty good stuff and easy to operate.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Okay so, Hodges has the Raymarine T70232 Multi function/radar combo for
> $1730.00 delivered.
>
> its the e7D & RD418D Radar Dome
>
> anyone have any thoughts on the particulars of this package for my
> sailboat?
>
> Also, Fred you want a shot at this?
>
> Danny
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I can match that through the end of the year (barely).  It’s a hell of a price. 
 Keep in mind that if you’re going to mast-mount the dome, you’ll need the 
mount, as well as a 10-meter radar extension cable; those will total about 
$400.00 additional.

Also, I just got an email from Raymarine about their Gear-Up 2016 rebate 
program; it starts on January 4th.  Here’s a link: 
www.postaudio.net/webserver/2016_Gear_Up_Sales_Event_Worksheet_Web.pdf

Merry Christmas to all, and best wishes for a great 2016!

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 24, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Okay so, Hodges has the Raymarine T70232 Multi function/radar combo for 
> $1730.00 delivered.
>  
> its the e7D & RD418D Radar Dome
>  
> anyone have any thoughts on the particulars of this package for my sailboat?
>  
> Also, Fred you want a shot at this?
>  
> Danny
> Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hello again,  
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on this package but I notice a similar 
package with the A78 for $110 more. 
Can anyone help with the differences and benefits of one over the other fur a 
sail boat! 
I see the a78 has that chirp technology and seems compatible with more tablets 
and smart phones than just the apple reference of the e7D.
Thanks for any insightsDanny

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: 
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PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale 
again 
I can match that through the end of the year (barely).  It’s a hell of a price. 
 Keep in mind that if you’re going to mast-mount the dome, you’ll need the 
mount, as well as a 10-meter radar extension cable; those will total about 
$400.00 additional.
Also, I just got an email from Raymarine about their Gear-Up 2016 rebate 
program; it starts on January 4th.  Here’s a link: 
www.postaudio.net/webserver/2016_Gear_Up_Sales_Event_Worksheet_Web.pdf
Merry Christmas to all, and best wishes for a great 2016!
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Dec 24, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
wrote:
Okay so, Hodges has the Raymarine T70232 Multi function/radar combo for 
$1730.00 delivered. its the e7D & RD418D Radar Dome anyone have any thoughts on 
the particulars of this package for my sailboat? Also, Fred you want a shot at 
this? DannyMattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Danny — the e Series has what Raymarine calls Hybrid Touch, where you have a 
touchscreen along with hard controls to manage the MFD.  The a Series is 
touchscreen ONLY; there are no hard controls with the exception of the on/off 
switch.

All the Raymarine MFDs should work with the same set of tablets/smartphones, as 
they all use the same firmware/OS.  Then the Raymarine app for the mobile 
device does the work locally.  The compatibility list for the e Series probably 
hasn’t been updated as recently as the a Series, as the a Series is newer.

CHIRP may be an advantage if you’re planning on fishing a lot…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello again,  
> 
> I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on this package but I notice a similar 
> package with the A78 for $110 more. 
> 
> Can anyone help with the differences and benefits of one over the other fur a 
> sail boat! 
> 
> I see the a78 has that chirp technology and seems compatible with more 
> tablets and smart phones than just the apple reference of the e7D.
> 
> Thanks for any insights
> Danny

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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

FWIW, the touchscreen does not work with full finger gloves and is not as
good as an IPad touchscreen. Also, it is hard to touch the right spot in a
sea. I have the e7.  I did not buy a Garmin due to the lack of a joystick.

Joel

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Danny — the e Series has what Raymarine calls Hybrid Touch, where you have
> a touchscreen along with hard controls to manage the MFD.  The a Series is
> touchscreen ONLY; there are no hard controls with the exception of the
> on/off switch.
>
> All the Raymarine MFDs should work with the same set of
> tablets/smartphones, as they all use the same firmware/OS.  Then the
> Raymarine app for the mobile device does the work locally.  The
> compatibility list for the e Series probably hasn’t been updated as
> recently as the a Series, as the a Series is newer.
>
> CHIRP may be an advantage if you’re planning on fishing a lot…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Dec 28, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello again,
>
> I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on this package but I notice a
> similar package with the A78 for $110 more.
>
> Can anyone help with the differences and benefits of one over the other
> fur a sail boat!
>
> I see the a78 has that chirp technology and seems compatible with more
> tablets and smart phones than just the apple reference of the e7D.
>
> Thanks for any insights
> Danny
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the
differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.
Would you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es"
ranges too?

Thanks!

Tim

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Danny — the e Series has what Raymarine calls Hybrid Touch, where you have
> a touchscreen along with hard controls to manage the MFD.  The a Series is
> touchscreen ONLY; there are no hard controls with the exception of the
> on/off switch.
>
> All the Raymarine MFDs should work with the same set of
> tablets/smartphones, as they all use the same firmware/OS.  Then the
> Raymarine app for the mobile device does the work locally.  The
> compatibility list for the e Series probably hasn’t been updated as
> recently as the a Series, as the a Series is newer.
>
> CHIRP may be an advantage if you’re planning on fishing a lot…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Dec 28, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello again,
>
> I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on this package but I notice a
> similar package with the A78 for $110 more.
>
> Can anyone help with the differences and benefits of one over the other
> fur a sail boat!
>
> I see the a78 has that chirp technology and seems compatible with more
> tablets and smart phones than just the apple reference of the e7D.
>
> Thanks for any insights
> Danny
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and hard 
controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re looking to 
buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much difference at all 
in price.

The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just buttons.  
I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and functionality.

How’s that?   :^)

Happy New Year, all!

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear  > wrote:
> 
> Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the 
> differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.  Would 
> you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es" ranges too?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tim

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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language where 
A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily with 
peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to see what’s 
on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a difference in 
your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match instrument brands or 
operating language otherwise you will spend all your sailing time trying to 
make the instruments talk to each other and at best, functionality will be 
limited.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1975 25 Mk 1

 

S/V Orion

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

 

Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and hard 
controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re looking to 
buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much difference at all 
in price.

 

The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just buttons.  
I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and functionality.

 

How’s that?   :^)

 

Happy New Year, all!

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear mailto:timg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the 
differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.  Would 
you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es" ranges too?

 

Thanks!

 

Tim

 

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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Headgorilla via CnC-List]

Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat show 
next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to all 
the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on this 
subjectI am listening.
 
One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
off a pole on the stern?
 
Mike Dolan
1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
Southold, NY
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again



I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language where 
A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily with 
peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to see what’s 
on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a difference in 
your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match instrument brands or 
operating language otherwise you will spend all your sailing time trying to 
make the instruments talk to each other and at best, functionality will be 
limited.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1975 25 Mk 1
 
S/V Orion
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

 
Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and hard 
controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re looking to 
buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much difference at all 
in price.

 

The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just buttons.  
I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and functionality.

 

How’s that?   :^)

 

Happy New Year, all!

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 


On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:

 

Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the 
differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.  Would 
you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es" ranges too?

 

Thanks!

 

Tim


 


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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

And to add another question - how different are the HD vs regular and 24"
vs 18" versions in real-world use (assuming you're not fishing and don't
need the 'bird view' function)?  This is great information - thank you!

Tim

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat
> show next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due
> to all the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your
> experience on this subjectI am listening.
>
> One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast?
> or off a pole on the stern?
>
> Mike Dolan
> 1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
> Southold, NY
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
>
> I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language
> where A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily
> with peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to
> see what’s on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a
> difference in your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match
> instrument brands or operating language otherwise you will spend all your
> sailing time trying to make the instruments talk to each other and at best,
> functionality will be limited.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1975 25 Mk 1
>
> S/V Orion
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:03 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
>
> Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an
> updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and
> hard controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re
> looking to buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much
> difference at all in price.
>
> The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just
> buttons.  I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and
> functionality.
>
> How’s that?   :^)
>
> Happy New Year, all!
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
>
> Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the
> differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.
> Would you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es"
> ranges too?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Mike,

As I understand it, that’s one of those “what’s more important to you” choices. 
The radar will “see” more at the top of the mast, but having that much weight 
aloft will affect sailing performance. 

Personally, I’d go with the stern pole. That way, if you need to fix anything, 
it doesn’t involve a mast climb. 

Going to the NY show as well on the Sunday. Hope to run into you and other 
C&C’ers. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat 
> show next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to 
> all the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on 
> this subjectI am listening.
>  
> One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
> off a pole on the stern?
>  
> Mike Dolan
> 1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
> Southold, NY
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Mike,
My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets tend 
to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as the radar 
tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on an 
overlapping jib..
Chuck Gilchrest

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> On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat 
> show next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to 
> all the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on 
> this subjectI am listening.
>  
> One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
> off a pole on the stern?
>  
> Mike Dolan
> 1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
> Southold, NY
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
> 
> I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language where 
> A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily with 
> peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to see 
> what’s on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a 
> difference in your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match 
> instrument brands or operating language otherwise you will spend all your 
> sailing time trying to make the instruments talk to each other and at best, 
> functionality will be limited.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1975 25 Mk 1
>  
> S/V Orion
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
> G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:03 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
>  
> Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
> updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and 
> hard controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re 
> looking to buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much 
> difference at all in price.
>  
> The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just 
> buttons.  I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and 
> functionality.
>  
> How’s that?   :^)
>  
> Happy New Year, all!
>  
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>  
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
>  
> Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the 
> differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.  Would 
> you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es" ranges too?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Tim
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

A couple of comments on radar: a mast-mounted radar will “see” vessels further 
away, including over the horizon compared to deck-level.  But as Chuck 
mentioned, it will not see things in the water closer to the boat, as there’s 
about a 12.5° vertical beam width above/below horizontal on most marine radars; 
so as a target gets within several dozen yards of the radar, it’ll be too low 
to be picked up.  Using a stern pole can help with this close-in imaging of 
targets; but you lose the distant ability of having the dome up high.

There is also a danger with stern pole mounting of having the radar beam hit 
deck crew; stand too close to a high-power radar beam, and you can develop some 
nasty medical issues like vision loss.  This is an issue I have with power 
boaters who mount the dome right on their hard top (usually a large open 
array…), then come into the dock on a clear sunny day with the radar merrily 
turning away.  The beam is pretty much at head-height for anyone standing on 
the dock, and it’s pretty easy to get a nice face full of microwave radiation 
at close range.

Chuck — as far as NME0183 vs NMEA2000 on the Raymarine a, c, e, and eS Series 
MFDs, ALL of them support NMEA2000.  See page 51 of the a-c-e Installation 
Manual.  The smallest versions of the a and c Series DO NOT have NMEA0183 
connections on them at all.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets 
> tend to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as the 
> radar tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on an 
> overlapping jib..
> Chuck Gilchrest
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat 
>> show next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due 
>> to all the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience 
>> on this subjectI am listening.
>>  
>> One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? 
>> or off a pole on the stern?
>>  
>> Mike Dolan
>> 1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
>> Southold, NY
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest > <mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net>>
>> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
>> 
>> I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language 
>> where A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily 
>> with peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to 
>> see what’s on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a 
>> difference in your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match 
>> instrument brands or operating language otherwise you will spend all your 
>> sailing time trying to make the instruments talk to each other and at best, 
>> functionality will be limited.
>> Chuck Gilchrest
>> S/V Half Magic
>> 1975 25 Mk 1
>>  
>> S/V Orion
>> 1983 35 Landfall
>> Padanaram, MA
>>   <>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com?>] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:03 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
>>  
>> Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
>> updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and 
>> hard controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re 
>> looking to buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much 
>> difference at all in price.
>>  
>> The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just 
>> buttons.  I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and 
>> functionality.
>>  
>> How’s that?   :^)
>>  
>> Happy New Year, all!
>>  
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI 

Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Tim — for most recreational boaters, you’re not going to be spending enough 
time on the radar to learn how to best use the return info on the HD radars.  I 
think that’s much more helpful in commercial and fishing situations, where 
you’re really diving much further into the radar data.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:27 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> And to add another question - how different are the HD vs regular and 24" vs 
> 18" versions in real-world use (assuming you're not fishing and don't need 
> the 'bird view' function)?  This is great information - thank you!
> 
> Tim

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Thanks Guys,
 
I was thinking mast mount mostly to keep it away from passengers and crew, 
however I can see it as a possible pest on the mast as well.
 
I still have some time since we are wrapped up and on landI really 
appreciate the input
 
Mike
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again


A couple of comments on radar: a mast-mounted radar will “see” vessels further 
away, including over the horizon compared to deck-level.  But as Chuck 
mentioned, it will not see things in the water closer to the boat, as there’s 
about a 12.5° vertical beam width above/below horizontal on most marine radars; 
so as a target gets within several dozen yards of the radar, it’ll be too low 
to be picked up.  Using a stern pole can help with this close-in imaging of 
targets; but you lose the distant ability of having the dome up high.


There is also a danger with stern pole mounting of having the radar beam hit 
deck crew; stand too close to a high-power radar beam, and you can develop some 
nasty medical issues like vision loss.  This is an issue I have with power 
boaters who mount the dome right on their hard top (usually a large open 
array…), then come into the dock on a clear sunny day with the radar merrily 
turning away.  The beam is pretty much at head-height for anyone standing on 
the dock, and it’s pretty easy to get a nice face full of microwave radiation 
at close range.


Chuck — as far as NME0183 vs NMEA2000 on the Raymarine a, c, e, and eS Series 
MFDs, ALL of them support NMEA2000.  See page 51 of the a-c-e Installation 
Manual.  The smallest versions of the a and c Series DO NOT have NMEA0183 
connections on them at all.


— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Mike,
My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets tend 
to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as the radar 
tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on an 
overlapping jib..
Chuck Gilchrest

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  
wrote:



Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat show 
next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to all 
the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on this 
subjectI am listening.
 
One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
off a pole on the stern?
 
Mike Dolan
1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
Southold, NY
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again



I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language where 
A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily with 
peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to see what’s 
on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a difference in 
your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match instrument brands or 
operating language otherwise you will spend all your sailing time trying to 
make the instruments talk to each other and at best, functionality will be 
limited.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1975 25 Mk 1
 
S/V Orion
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
 

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Street via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

 
Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and hard 
controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re looking to 
buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much difference at all 
in price.

 

The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just buttons.  
I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and functionality.

 

How’s that?   :^)

 

Happy New Year, all!

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 


On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:

 

Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the 
differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.  Would 
you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es" ranges too?

 

Thanks!

 

Tim


 


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[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Mike,

One other option for mounting the radar is to utilize a  gimbaled backstay 
mount , which allows the mount to be sufficiently high above head height and 
has the advantage of self levelling the dome to orient with the horizon.  It is 
a less invasive mount that doesn’t require additional holes to be drilled in 
the mast and is far simpler than installing a separate mast to be supported at 
the stern of the boat.  If you unstep your mast in the winter, a back stay 
mount would require the radar dome be reset on the mount each time you 
re-commission the boat and the gimballed mounts tend to be pricey.  Another 
issue of mounting your dome behind the mast, either on the backstay or on a 
separate mast, is that the sailboat mast will be viewed as a target on the 
readout and can cause a blind spot in the center of your direction of travel.  
Not ideal..

 

  I’d say that here on the East Coast, the majority of radar use occurs when 
motoring in fog or during nighttime when visibility is low.  Those that sail in 
heavily travelled shipping lanes tend to want to know what is on the horizon as 
well as what is in close.  If you use the radar while sailing in breeze,  
keeping the dome level creates fewer blind spots due to a tilted dome looking 
down at the water on the leeward side of the boat and the windward side 
pointing up into the sky.

 

I’ve also heard that the 3G and 4G domes by Simrad/B&G/Lowrance use a different 
band of radar waves that are supposedly less harmful if mounted at head level 
on the boat.  But perhaps I shouldn’t believe everything I read in the glossy 
magazines…

So again I’ve created more questions than answers…

Chuck Gilchrest

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Headgorilla 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

 

Thanks Guys,

 

I was thinking mast mount mostly to keep it away from passengers and crew, 
however I can see it as a possible pest on the mast as well.

 

I still have some time since we are wrapped up and on landI really 
appreciate the input

 

Mike

 

 

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To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net> >
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

A couple of comments on radar: a mast-mounted radar will “see” vessels further 
away, including over the horizon compared to deck-level.  But as Chuck 
mentioned, it will not see things in the water closer to the boat, as there’s 
about a 12.5° vertical beam width above/below horizontal on most marine radars; 
so as a target gets within several dozen yards of the radar, it’ll be too low 
to be picked up.  Using a stern pole can help with this close-in imaging of 
targets; but you lose the distant ability of having the dome up high. 

 

There is also a danger with stern pole mounting of having the radar beam hit 
deck crew; stand too close to a high-power radar beam, and you can develop some 
nasty medical issues like vision loss.  This is an issue I have with power 
boaters who mount the dome right on their hard top (usually a large open 
array…), then come into the dock on a clear sunny day with the radar merrily 
turning away.  The beam is pretty much at head-height for anyone standing on 
the dock, and it’s pretty easy to get a nice face full of microwave radiation 
at close range.

 

Chuck — as far as NME0183 vs NMEA2000 on the Raymarine a, c, e, and eS Series 
MFDs, ALL of them support NMEA2000.  See page 51 of the a-c-e Installation 
Manual.  The smallest versions of the a and c Series DO NOT have NMEA0183 
connections on them at all.

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Mike,

My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets tend 
to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as the radar 
tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on an 
overlapping jib..

Chuck Gilchrest

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat show 
next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to all 
the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on this 
subjectI am listening.

 

One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
off a pole on the stern?

 

Mike Dolan

1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"

Southold, NY

 

 

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[Ahmet via CnC-List]

I have a mast mount because that is how my boat came, but would prefer a
high (12+ft) stern pole.
I had twice problems with my stern pole radar on my previous boat which I
was easily able to fix (broken belt, and water in the unit) which would
have been a major issue on the mast mount (at least for me).

For coastal cruising, I don't think I ever cared for anything farther that
5 miles.
For me, the main purpose for radar is other boats in the dark and fog, and
unlighted cans at night, which are all within a few miles. That is
 assuming that one has GPS and AIS.
Sometimes I use it to verify the GPS.
If one is sailing in areas where GPS charts are not as reliable, that may
be a different issue,
Ahmet
Boston, MA


On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Guys,
>
> I was thinking mast mount mostly to keep it away from passengers and crew,
> however I can see it as a possible pest on the mast as well.
>
> I still have some time since we are wrapped up and on landI really
> appreciate the input
>
> Mike
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Frederick G Street 
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 3:32 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
>
> A couple of comments on radar: a mast-mounted radar will “see” vessels
> further away, including over the horizon compared to deck-level.  But as
> Chuck mentioned, it will not see things in the water closer to the boat, as
> there’s about a 12.5° vertical beam width above/below horizontal on most
> marine radars; so as a target gets within several dozen yards of the radar,
> it’ll be too low to be picked up.  Using a stern pole can help with this
> close-in imaging of targets; but you lose the distant ability of having the
> dome up high.
>
> There is also a danger with stern pole mounting of having the radar beam
> hit deck crew; stand too close to a high-power radar beam, and you can
> develop some nasty medical issues like vision loss.  This is an issue I
> have with power boaters who mount the dome right on their hard top (usually
> a large open array…), then come into the dock on a clear sunny day with the
> radar merrily turning away.  The beam is pretty much at head-height for
> anyone standing on the dock, and it’s pretty easy to get a nice face full
> of microwave radiation at close range.
>
> Chuck — as far as NME0183 vs NMEA2000 on the Raymarine a, c, e, and eS
> Series MFDs, ALL of them support NMEA2000.  See page 51 of the a-c-e
> Installation Manual.  The smallest versions of the a and c Series DO NOT
> have NMEA0183 connections on them at all.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets
> tend to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as
> the radar tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on
> an overlapping jib..
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat
> show next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due
> to all the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your
> experience on this subjectI am listening.
>
> One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast?
> or off a pole on the stern?
>
> Mike Dolan
> 1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
> Southold, NY
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
>
> I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language
> where A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily
> with peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to
> see what’s on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a
> difference in your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match
> instrument brands or operating language otherwise you will spend all your
> sailing time trying to make the instruments talk to each other and at best,
> functionality will be limited.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1975 25 Mk 1
>
> S/V Orion
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@c

Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[David via CnC-List]

Mike,

Had the pole and it was ungainly looking.  Replaced it with a Questus gimball 
mount and love it.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:51:04 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: csgilchr...@comcast.net

Mike,My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets 
tend to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as the 
radar tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on an 
overlapping jib..Chuck Gilchrest

Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  
wrote:


Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat show 
next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to all 
the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on this 
subjectI am listening.

 

One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
off a pole on the stern?

 

Mike Dolan

1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"

Southold, NY

 

 

-Original Message-

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 

To: cnc-list 

Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 

Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm

Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again









I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language where 
A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily with 
peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to see what’s 
on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a difference in 
your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match instrument brands or 
operating language otherwise you will spend all your sailing time trying to 
make the instruments talk to each other and at best, functionality will be 
limited.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1975 25 Mk 1

 

S/V Orion

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 



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Street via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:03 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Frederick G Street 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again



 

Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and hard 
controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re looking to 
buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much difference at all 
in price.


 



The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just buttons.  
I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and functionality.



 



How’s that?   :^)



 



Happy New Year, all!



 



— Fred





Fred Street -- Minneapolis

S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



 



On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:


 


Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the 
differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.  Would 
you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es" ranges too?


 



Thanks!



 



Tim




 






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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Ok,  I just pulled the trigger on the e7D combo.   I have a bracket on the mast 
and I'll be using that.  From what I can tell the holes may just match up!  
I've never had radar before.  We do get fog though.  
ALL the rest of the instruments are raymarine so that's my choice here


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: 
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again 
I have a mast mount because that is how my boat came, but would prefer a high 
(12+ft) stern pole.I had twice problems with my stern pole radar on my previous 
boat which I was easily able to fix (broken belt, and water in the unit) which 
would have been a major issue on the mast mount (at least for me).
For coastal cruising, I don't think I ever cared for anything farther that 5 
miles.For me, the main purpose for radar is other boats in the dark and fog, 
and unlighted cans at night, which are all within a few miles. That is  
assuming that one has GPS and AIS.Sometimes I use it to verify the GPS.If one 
is sailing in areas where GPS charts are not as reliable, that may be a 
different issue, AhmetBoston, MA

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Thanks Guys,

 

I was thinking mast mount mostly to keep it away from passengers and crew, 
however I can see it as a possible pest on the mast as well.

 

I still have some time since we are wrapped up and on landI really 
appreciate the input

 

Mike

 

 

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Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 3:32 pm

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A couple of comments on radar: a mast-mounted radar will “see” vessels further 
away, including over the horizon compared to deck-level.  But as Chuck 
mentioned, it will not see things in the water closer to the boat, as there’s 
about a 12.5° vertical beam width above/below horizontal on most marine radars; 
so as a target gets within several dozen yards of the radar, it’ll be too low 
to be picked up.  Using a stern pole can help with this close-in imaging of 
targets; but you lose the distant ability of having the dome up high.




There is also a danger with stern pole mounting of having the radar beam hit 
deck crew; stand too close to a high-power radar beam, and you can develop some 
nasty medical issues like vision loss.  This is an issue I have with power 
boaters who mount the dome right on their hard top (usually a large open 
array…), then come into the dock on a clear sunny day with the radar merrily 
turning away.  The beam is pretty much at head-height for anyone standing on 
the dock, and it’s pretty easy to get a nice face full of microwave radiation 
at close range.





Chuck — as far as NME0183 vs NMEA2000 on the Raymarine a, c, e, and eS Series 
MFDs, ALL of them support NMEA2000.  See page 51 of the a-c-e Installation 
Manual.  The smallest versions of the a and c Series DO NOT have NMEA0183 
connections on them at all.





— Fred





Fred Street -- Minneapolis

S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(







On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Mike,

My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets tend 
to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as the radar 
tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on an 
overlapping jib..

Chuck Gilchrest



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On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  
wrote:






Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat show 
next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to all 
the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on this 
subjectI am listening.

 

One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
off a pole on the stern?

 

Mike Dolan

1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"

Southold, NY

 

 

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Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 

Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm

Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again







I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language where 
A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily with 
peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to see what’s 
on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a difference in 
your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match instrument brands or 
operating language otherwise you will spend all your sailing time trying to 
make the instruments talk to each other and at best, functionality will be 
limited.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half

Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Headgorilla via CnC-List]

Chuck,
 
I grew up in a boat yard and wound up in the commercial fishing industry from 
82-94 while alternating seasons at my fathers boat yard (winter-offshore< 
summer-boatyard). however my experience was always powerboats or big 
commercial.the marina was on Shinnecock bay and mostly shallow water so we 
did not have a ton of sailboats...mostly day sail so I never gravitated to 
them...now that I am trying to learn the ways of sailing I am in awe of 
what I need to figure out :)
 
Having only graduated to sailboats in the last couple of years from 22' to now 
34 I "think" I am most interested in looking for land-mass and buoys at least 
that was what I always used them for offshoreof course other boats but on 
poor visibility days I am thinking not too many will be out..

I think I prefer the idea of being on the mast, I just don't want to be cursing 
myself when I get all tangled up in it :)

I did see the stay mounted version..not too crazy about thatfor the 
blind spot and for vibration.

kind of leaning to a gimble mount on the mast.

I appreciate the input,

Mike


 
 
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Mike,
One other option for mounting the radar is to utilize a  gimbaled backstay 
mount , which allows the mount to be sufficiently high above head height and 
has the advantage of self levelling the dome to orient with the horizon.  It is 
a less invasive mount that doesn’t require additional holes to be drilled in 
the mast and is far simpler than installing a separate mast to be supported at 
the stern of the boat.  If you unstep your mast in the winter, a back stay 
mount would require the radar dome be reset on the mount each time you 
re-commission the boat and the gimballed mounts tend to be pricey.  Another 
issue of mounting your dome behind the mast, either on the backstay or on a 
separate mast, is that the sailboat mast will be viewed as a target on the 
readout and can cause a blind spot in the center of your direction of travel.  
Not ideal..
 
  I’d say that here on the East Coast, the majority of radar use occurs when 
motoring in fog or during nighttime when visibility is low.  Those that sail in 
heavily travelled shipping lanes tend to want to know what is on the horizon as 
well as what is in close.  If you use the radar while sailing in breeze,  
keeping the dome level creates fewer blind spots due to a tilted dome looking 
down at the water on the leeward side of the boat and the windward side 
pointing up into the sky.
 
I’ve also heard that the 3G and 4G domes by Simrad/B&G/Lowrance use a different 
band of radar waves that are supposedly less harmful if mounted at head level 
on the boat.  But perhaps I shouldn’t believe everything I read in the glossy 
magazines…
So again I’ve created more questions than answers…
Chuck Gilchrest
 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
 

Thanks Guys,

 

I was thinking mast mount mostly to keep it away from passengers and crew, 
however I can see it as a possible pest on the mast as well.

 

I still have some time since we are wrapped up and on landI really 
appreciate the input

 

Mike

 

 

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From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

A couple of comments on radar: a mast-mounted radar will “see” vessels further 
away, including over the horizon compared to deck-level.  But as Chuck 
mentioned, it will not see things in the water closer to the boat, as there’s 
about a 12.5° vertical beam width above/below horizontal on most marine radars; 
so as a target gets within several dozen yards of the radar, it’ll be too low 
to be picked up.  Using a stern pole can help with this close-in imaging of 
targets; but you lose the distant ability of having the dome up high. 

 

There is also a danger with stern pole mounting of having the radar beam hit 
deck crew; stand too close to a high-power radar beam, and you can develop some 
nasty medical issues like vision loss.  This is an issue I have with power 
boaters who mount the dome right on their hard top (usually a large open 
array…), then come into the dock on a clear sunny day with the radar merrily 
turning away.  The beam is pretty much at head-height for anyone standing on 
the dock, and it’s pretty easy to get a nice face full of microwave radiation 
at close range.

 

Chuck — as far as NME0183 vs NMEA2000 on the Raymarine a, c, e, and eS Series 
MFDs, ALL of them support NMEA2000.  See page 51 of the a-c-e

Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again

[Headgorilla via CnC-List]

I'm thinking the same Dave, I have been looking a the poles and am not crazy 
about the look.
 
thanks
 
mike
 
 
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Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 5:03 pm
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Mike,

Had the pole and it was ungainly looking.  Replaced it with a Questus gimball 
mount and love it.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)




Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:51:04 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again
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CC: csgilchr...@comcast.net


Mike,
My experience with mast mounted radar is not favorable.  Close in targets tend 
to drop off (such as small boats and channel markers in the fog) as the radar 
tends to see above those objects.  The mast mount is also hell on an 
overlapping jib..
Chuck Gilchrest

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  
wrote:



Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat show 
next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to all 
the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on this 
subjectI am listening.
 
One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
off a pole on the stern?
 
Mike Dolan
1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"
Southold, NY
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List - Raymarine Combo on sale again



I believe the C series units also rely on NMEA 0183 networking language where 
A, E series and newer will be NMEA 2000 and can network more readily with 
peripherals such as wind, speed, depth, and autopilot.  I’d check to see what’s 
on your boat with regards to the peripherals and that may make a difference in 
your decision making process.  Don’t try to mix and match instrument brands or 
operating language otherwise you will spend all your sailing time trying to 
make the instruments talk to each other and at best, functionality will be 
limited.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1975 25 Mk 1
 
S/V Orion
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
 

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Sure!  The eS Series is the newest MFD from Raymarine, and is basically an 
updated, more powerful version of the e Series, with both touchscreen and hard 
controls.  I would definitely recommend the eS over the e if you’re looking to 
buy today, particularly at the 7” size where there’s not much difference at all 
in price.

 

The Raymarine c Series has NO touchscreen capability whatsoever; just buttons.  
I’d put it at the bottom of the heap in terms of power and functionality.

 

How’s that?   :^)

 

Happy New Year, all!

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 


On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:

 

Fred, thank you for that summary - I've been trying to work out what the 
differences between the Raymarine models amount to in the real world.  Would 
you care to expand your descriptions to include the "c" and "es" ranges too?

 

Thanks!

 

Tim


 


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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Yes, again you’re correct, the 3G/4G radars use quite a bit less energy, so the 
potential for injury is significantly lower.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve also heard that the 3G and 4G domes by Simrad/B&G/Lowrance use a 
> different band of radar waves that are supposedly less harmful if mounted at 
> head level on the boat.  But perhaps I shouldn’t believe everything I read in 
> the glossy magazines…
> So again I’ve created more questions than answers…

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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I agree that it is a “what’s important to you” issue, but for me the weight 
aloft isn’t a real concern. The antenna weighs 10-15 pounds and up near the 
second spreader would be 35 feet off the deck. I don’t see that as all that 
significant because I don’t race any more.

 

For me the tradeoff is maximum range (having the antenna high gets you out over 
the horizon so you can get 16, 24, or more miles of range) vs the ability to 
see things close by (like channel markers less than ¼ mile away) when entering 
a harbor or negotiating a fog bank. The high mounted antenna looks over the top 
of the smaller targets that are close in. The low mount antenna sees the close 
in targets better, but at the expense of limiting the range at which you see 
shorter targets like small boats or low lying shores.

 

I have a 16 mile radar, with the antenna mounted on a pole supported by a radar 
arch, and the antenna is about 14 feet above the water. From that height the 
horizon is only about 4.5 NM, and I can see a medium sized fishing boat at 
about 7 or 8 miles. A freighter is taller so I can pick it up farther away.  
But more important for me, I can see channel markers inside of ¼ mile away.

 

If the antenna were 30 or 35 feet above the water, I’d probably pick up the 
fishing boat at near 16 miles, but the radar beam would just pass over the top 
of the channel markers and not return an echo.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Mike,

 

As I understand it, that’s one of those “what’s more important to you” choices. 
The radar will “see” more at the top of the mast, but having that much weight 
aloft will affect sailing performance. 

 

Personally, I’d go with the stern pole. That way, if you need to fix anything, 
it doesn’t involve a mast climb. 

 

Going to the NY show as well on the Sunday. Hope to run into you and other 
C&C’ers. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> 

 






 






 

On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Headgorilla via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks for discussing the Raymarine equipment, I am going into the NY boat show 
next week to see my electronics people and probably but a package due to all 
the rebates and discounts they offer, so I appreciate your experience on this 
subjectI am listening.

 

One Question: where the best spot to mount the Radar antenna, on the Mast? or 
off a pole on the stern?

 

Mike Dolan

1979 34' C&C "Skywalker"

Southold, NY

 

 

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