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Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Yes, took the boat for a sail as soon as the new pump was installed.15% to 20% heel on both tacks.dry 'bowel'. In fact, when I emptied the bowel of water (dry bowel switch) with the old pump, water would seep back into the bowel to probably 'water level' or 'sea level'. Now with the new pump, the bowel is virtually dry and stays that way.just a few ounces of water the new pump can't possibly pick up and discharge. Well worth the investment and effort. Rob Abbott On 2016-07-26 3:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote: Did it fix the original problem? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Stevan: If you decide to replace the pump, tip..make sure you have a 'long' Philips screwdriver or a 'very short' one or better still, and 'offset Philips screwdriver' to access one of the four screws.the bottom right screw is a tight fit to get a regular screwdriver down to the screw between the pump and the wall. Naturally, I found that out the hard way..left my 'offset Philips screwdriver' at home and didn't have a very long or very short one on the boat. Rob Abbott On 2016-07-26 3:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote: I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The other night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the night for a bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to the rim but not overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink the boat! Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. Of course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge was full to the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that day for some reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for recounting your experience. I now know what I have to do and what will be involved so I'm a whole lot less worried about it :) Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and I'm glad not to have to repeat (much) of it. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote: Did it fix the original problem? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Fred: There are only two logical ways water can fill the bowel, I think. And a faulty 'joker valve' in my case would not have caused my bowel to fill. Just to be sure it was not the 'joker valve', I closed the thru hull for the discharge but not the 'water intake' to the head, and the bowel would fillonly on port tack. If I opened the discharge thru hull but closed the 'water intake thru hull', the bowel would not fill with water. So I came to the conclusion, it was a faulty value/seal/O ring etc. in the pump allowing sea water to enter the bowel. Did I waste $90? Rob Abbott PS: My discharge hose goes to a Y valve mounted high on the starboard side under the V-berth to allow discharge to either the holding tank or overboard. On 2016-07-26 4:03 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote: I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than $10. Easy to install by removing the pump body with 4 self tapping screws. While you have pump off it is a good time to clean and lubricate the pump. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Did it fix the original problem? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Hi Rob, You did it right. I rebuilt mine twice and had to replace the whole assembly shortly after the 2nd rebuild as the plastic holding the selector valve was worn.. They may be good for 1 rebuild but for me and our usage (Typically spending weekends with a family of 4) it's just not worth fooling with to save 15 - 30 bucks. Next time I just buy a whole new assembly. Couple things I learned: - When sailing make sure the selector is on the "black" side and the pump in the locked position as it the to official "closed" setup that prevents spills even with heavy heeling with the through hull open (Safest is just to close it between uses though) - Here's the kicker: However, when leaving the boat (With all through hulls closed)or when just not using the head for a while, I make sure I have the pump handle set right next to the closed position detent but I don't engage it. Leaving it fully locked puts pressure on the rubber piston pushing it against a small ridge and if you leave it like that for a long period will permanently indent the rubber seal area and cause it to leak. Of course the through hull has to be closed. So far there are no smells even after a week or so in the hot Georgia summer and the pump works well. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. Regards ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Did it fix the original problem? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The other night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the night for a bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to the rim but not overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink the boat! Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. Of course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge was full to the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that day for some reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for recounting your experience. I now know what I have to do and what will be involved so I'm a whole lot less worried about it :) Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and I'm glad not to have to repeat (much) of it. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Did it fix the original problem? > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert > via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: robert > Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related > > Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea > water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or > the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a > faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. > > Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the > problem.simplest > way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. > > One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old > pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 > hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. > > FYi for anyone having a similar problem. > > Rob Abbott > > AZURA > > C&C 32 - 84 > > Halifax, N.S. > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Stevan: This was the replacement part I bought: http://ca.binnacle.com/Plumbing-&-Pumps-Toilets/c31_209/p6899/ITT-TWIST-&-LOCK-TOILET-PUMP-ASSEMBLY-29040-3000/product_info.html Rob Abbott On 2016-07-26 3:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote: I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The other night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the night for a bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to the rim but not overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink the boat! Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. Of course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge was full to the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that day for some reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for recounting your experience. I now know what I have to do and what will be involved so I'm a whole lot less worried about it :) Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and I'm glad not to have to repeat (much) of it. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Did it fix the original problem? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than $10. Easy to install by removing the pump body with 4 self tapping screws. While you have pump off it is a good time to clean and lubricate the pump. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Did it fix the original problem? > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert > via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: robert > Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related > > Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea > water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or > the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a > faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. > > Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the > problem.simplest > way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. > > One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old > pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 > hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. > > FYi for anyone having a similar problem. > > Rob Abbott > > AZURA > > C&C 32 - 84 > > Halifax, N.S. > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Just for the record, you do not want to be dependent on the head pump to keep your boat afloat as the valves in these things can and do fail. Sea water overflowing the bowl probably means that there is a siphon between the head and the though hull (or worse). Replacing the pump just delays sinking until it fails. The two solutions are a high loop with a siphon break or one can (as I do) always close the through-hull when finished your ablutions. Just say'n. On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Stevan: > > This was the replacement part I bought: > > > http://ca.binnacle.com/Plumbing-&-Pumps-Toilets/c31_209/p6899/ITT-TWIST-&-LOCK-TOILET-PUMP-ASSEMBLY-29040-3000/product_info.html > > > Rob Abbott > > > > > On 2016-07-26 3:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote: > > I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new > replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The other > night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the night for a > bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to the rim but not > overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink the boat! > > Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. Of > course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge was full to > the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that day for some > reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for recounting your > experience. I now know what I have to do and what will be involved so I'm a > whole lot less worried about it :) > > Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and I'm > glad not to have to repeat (much) of it. > > Steve > Suhana, C&C 32 > Toronto > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Did it fix the original problem? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert >> via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: robert >> Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related >> >> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with >> sea >> water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' >> or >> the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably >> a >> faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. >> >> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the >> problem.simplest >> way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. >> >> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old >> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 >> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. >> >> FYi for anyone having a similar problem. >> >> Rob Abbott >> >> AZURA >> >> C&C 32 - 84 >> >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Bob, Glad you went the new pump assembly route. I've been advocating that over a rebuild kit for years. I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a year. It's a 10 minute job. I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale build up also. It's a frequent job. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with > sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker > valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, > probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. > > Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the > problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump > assembly for $100. > > One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old > pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 > hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. > > FYi for anyone having a similar problem. > > Rob Abbott > > AZURA > > C&C 32 - 84 > > Halifax, N.S. > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Glad this fixed it for you. SOP for my head is closing the seawater-in valve after each use (I do not have a high loop or anti-siphon valve). I once left seawater-in open, relying on the dry/flush valve built in to the pump to keep water from coming in, and after a few hours the water level in the bowl was the same as the water level outside the hull! I have sense rebuilt the head, but always open and close the value each "sitting" - belt and suspenders… I also added a small Jabsco inline filter this spring to keep hard and soft debris out of the pump and bowl. With a plastic bore in the pump this should extend the life of the pump. Ken C&C 33-1 On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:48:06 -0300, robert via CnC-List wrote: Yes, took the boat for a sail as soon as the new pump was installed.15% to 20% heel on both tacks.dry 'bowel'. In fact, when I emptied the bowel of water (dry bowel switch) with the old pump, water would seep back into the bowel to probably 'water level' or 'sea level'. Now with the new pump, the bowel is virtually dry and stays that way.just a few ounces of water the new pump can't possibly pick up and discharge. Well worth the investment and effort. Rob Abbott On 2016-07-26 3:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote: Did it fix the original problem? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Dennis: The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was. Rob Abbott On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Bob, Glad you went the new pump assembly route. I've been advocating that over a rebuild kit for years. I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a year. It's a 10 minute job. I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale build up also. It's a frequent job. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Interesting! "I make sure I have the pump handle set right next to the closed position detent but I don't engage it. Leaving it fully locked puts pressure on the rubber piston pushing it against a small ridge and if you leave it like that for a long period will permanently indent the rubber seal area and cause it to leak." We use our toilet very infrequently. If we're at the marina we use the marina toilets (unless it's the middle of the night). When we had the boat in Toronto we mostly NEVER used it with the exception of longer cruises or weekends. So, very infrequent use. I figured that the infrequent use was part of the culprit of our failing pump (at only 4 years old with minimal use seems a disappointment) - so yeah, the above is very handy info. Thanks! Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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You did good. A rebuild kit is about $70 and pita. Fred On Jul 26, 2016 12:24 PM, "robert" wrote: > Fred: > > There are only two logical ways water can fill the bowel, I think. > > And a faulty 'joker valve' in my case would not have caused my bowel to > fill. Just to be sure it was not the 'joker valve', I closed the thru hull > for the discharge but not the 'water intake' to the head, and the bowel > would fillonly on port tack. > > If I opened the discharge thru hull but closed the 'water intake thru > hull', the bowel would not fill with water. > > So I came to the conclusion, it was a faulty value/seal/O ring etc. in the > pump allowing sea water to enter the bowel. > > Did I waste $90? > > Rob Abbott > > PS: My discharge hose goes to a Y valve mounted high on the starboard > side under the V-berth to allow discharge to either the holding tank or > overboard. > > > > On 2016-07-26 4:03 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote: > > I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than $10. > Easy to install by removing the pump body with 4 self tapping screws. While > you have pump off it is a good time to clean and lubricate the pump. > > Fred Hazzard > S/V Fury > C&C 44 > Portland, Or > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Did it fix the original problem? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert >> via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: robert >> Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related >> >> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with >> sea >> water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' >> or >> the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably >> a >> faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. >> >> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the >> problem.simplest >> way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. >> >> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old >> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 >> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. >> >> FYi for anyone having a similar problem. >> >> Rob Abbott >> >> AZURA >> >> C&C 32 - 84 >> >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related
And a whole new pump assembly contains a new 'joker valve' (approx. $17) which you don't get with a $70 rebuild kit. It was a 'no brainer'. Rob On 2016-07-26 5:00 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote: You did good. A rebuild kit is about $70 and pita. Fred On Jul 26, 2016 12:24 PM, "robert" <mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> wrote: Fred: There are only two logical ways water can fill the bowel, I think. And a faulty 'joker valve' in my case would not have caused my bowel to fill. Just to be sure it was not the 'joker valve', I closed the thru hull for the discharge but not the 'water intake' to the head, and the bowel would fillonly on port tack. If I opened the discharge thru hull but closed the 'water intake thru hull', the bowel would not fill with water. So I came to the conclusion, it was a faulty value/seal/O ring etc. in the pump allowing sea water to enter the bowel. Did I waste $90? Rob Abbott PS: My discharge hose goes to a Y valve mounted high on the starboard side under the V-berth to allow discharge to either the holding tank or overboard. On 2016-07-26 4:03 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote: I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than $10. Easy to install by removing the pump body with 4 self tapping screws. While you have pump off it is a good time to clean and lubricate the pump. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Did it fix the original problem? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Yep. My experience has been the rebuild kit is about $70 and the pump assembly around $100. However the rebuild is about 1.5-2 hours and the pump assembly replacement is about 30-45 minutes. Amazing how many of my customers still wanted the rebuild kit. Even when I told them my labor rate would make the total price more. Dennis C. On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Dennis: > > The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new > pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was. > > Rob Abbott > > On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: > > Bob, > > Glad you went the new pump assembly route. I've been advocating that over > a rebuild kit for years. > > I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a > year. It's a 10 minute job. I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale > build up also. It's a frequent job. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with >> sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker >> valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, >> probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. >> >> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the >> problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump >> assembly for $100. >> >> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old >> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 >> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. >> >> FYi for anyone having a similar problem. >> >> Rob Abbott >> >> AZURA >> >> C&C 32 - 84 >> >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I replaced the pump on my head (should it be in my head? (;-)) and even my wife finds it so much better. She says that it was money well spent. In Ottawa, it was even better $90 for the pump, $85 for the rebuild kit. A no brainer. Marek From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 16:07 To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related Yep. My experience has been the rebuild kit is about $70 and the pump assembly around $100. However the rebuild is about 1.5-2 hours and the pump assembly replacement is about 30-45 minutes. Amazing how many of my customers still wanted the rebuild kit. Even when I told them my labor rate would make the total price more. Dennis C. On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: Dennis: The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was. Rob Abbott On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Bob, Glad you went the new pump assembly route. I've been advocating that over a rebuild kit for years. I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a year. It's a 10 minute job. I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale build up also. It's a frequent job. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Tackled the problem differently on Septima. I installed a fresh water bladder tank to feed the head. No smells from decaying whatever ( reason the Admiral wanted fresh water feed), no chance for overflow on port tacks, no sea water in the boat (that thru hull is closed all the time. Use tank to provide lateral trim. Allen Miles S/v Septima 30-2 Hampton, VA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with > sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker > valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, > probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. > > Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the > problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump > assembly for $100. > > One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old > pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 > hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. > > FYi for anyone having a similar problem. > > Rob Abbott > > AZURA > > C&C 32 - 84 > > Halifax, N.S. > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related
Yup , Binnacle for new pump and add a spare joker valve and you are at the free shipping point ! Tim From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related Dennis: The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was. Rob Abbott On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Bob, Glad you went the new pump assembly route. I've been advocating that over a rebuild kit for years. I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a year. It's a 10 minute job. I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale build up also. It's a frequent job. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice<http://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice> Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et r?ception de courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalit?s ?nonc?es dans l'avis publi? ? www.rogers.com/aviscourriel <http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel> ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Same. We flush with fresh water from the forward tank on Grenadine, instead of pumping in lake water full of E.coli and decomposing organic matter. No smells, the head thru-hull remains closed, and I don't have to worry about the bowl overflowing. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Allen Miles via CnC-List" To: "CNC" Cc: "Allen Miles" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:40:59 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related Tackled the problem differently on Septima. I installed a fresh water bladder tank to feed the head. No smells from decaying whatever ( reason the Admiral wanted fresh water feed), no chance for overflow on port tacks, no sea water in the boat (that thru hull is closed all the time. Use tank to provide lateral trim. Allen Miles S/v Septima 30-2 Hampton, VA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related - flood from toilet
Second that. Also, the "wet bowl" position on the flush valve should be called "wet boat" (if forgotten). Dave Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:06:19 -0400 From: David Paine To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Just for the record, you do not want to be dependent on the head pump to keep your boat afloat as the valves in these things can and do fail. Sea water overflowing the bowl probably means that there is a siphon between the head and the though hull (or worse). Replacing the pump just delays sinking until it fails. The two solutions are a high loop with a siphon break or one can (as I do) always close the through-hull when finished your ablutions. Just say'n. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!