Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

And I should add, I'm quite certain the boat was completely dry at the time 
when I weighed it. It had been out of the water for ~1.5 years at weighing 
time. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "randy stafford" <randy.staff...@comcast.net>, "Michael Brown" 
<m...@tkg.ca> 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:39:04 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors) 

Yes, the 8700 pounds includes mast, boom, spin pole, reaching strut, standing 
rigging, deck hardware, etc. My boat has two pairs of primary winches (big 
Barients) at the cockpit coamings, so the extra pair probably accounts for ~75 
pounds. 

My primary anchor and rode weigh 34 pounds; my secondary 28 pounds. So to be 
precise, the boat weighs 8716 pounds with empty tanks and nothing aboard but 
the primary anchor and rode. 

>From a PHRF perspective I'll speak with my US Sailing Regional Association 
>PHRF Chairman about what he expects to be included in the displacement used 
>for a boat's PHRF rating. He gave my boat a rating of 186, which surprised me. 
>I was expecting 174 based on what other clubs have given a 30-1, according to 
>http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf.
> Maybe when I tell him my boat's displacement is at least 700 pounds heavier 
>than what he used, my 186 rating will be justified :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:04:33 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors) 


> Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude that 
> my boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty tanks. 

Thanks Randy. 

I guess that is what the 30-1 weighs. 

I remember some spec a while back that claimed 7900 lbs, which is what PHRF-LO 
has. 
Empty and stripped out, no mast or sails and from what I can tell no wet spots 
Windburn 
is 8500 lbs. Did your weight include the mast ( maybe around 200 lbs )? 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 


Launching in five days, and watching wet snow coming down this morning. 




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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Yes, the 8700 pounds includes mast, boom, spin pole, reaching strut, standing 
rigging, deck hardware, etc. My boat has two pairs of primary winches (big 
Barients) at the cockpit coamings, so the extra pair probably accounts for ~75 
pounds. 

My primary anchor and rode weigh 34 pounds; my secondary 28 pounds. So to be 
precise, the boat weighs 8716 pounds with empty tanks and nothing aboard but 
the primary anchor and rode. 

>From a PHRF perspective I'll speak with my US Sailing Regional Association 
>PHRF Chairman about what he expects to be included in the displacement used 
>for a boat's PHRF rating. He gave my boat a rating of 186, which surprised me. 
>I was expecting 174 based on what other clubs have given a 30-1, according to 
>http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf.
> Maybe when I tell him my boat's displacement is at least 700 pounds heavier 
>than what he used, my 186 rating will be justified :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:04:33 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors) 


> Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude that 
> my boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty tanks. 

Thanks Randy. 

I guess that is what the 30-1 weighs. 

I remember some spec a while back that claimed 7900 lbs, which is what PHRF-LO 
has. 
Empty and stripped out, no mast or sails and from what I can tell no wet spots 
Windburn 
is 8500 lbs. Did your weight include the mast ( maybe around 200 lbs )? 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 


Launching in five days, and watching wet snow coming down this morning. 




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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

> Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude  that 
> my boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and  empty tanks.

Thanks Randy.

I guess that is what the 30-1 weighs.

I remember some spec a while back that claimed 7900 lbs, which is what PHRF-LO 
has.
Empty and stripped out, no mast or sails and from what I can tell no wet spots 
Windburn
is 8500 lbs. Did your weight include the mast ( maybe around 200 lbs )?

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Launching in five days, and watching wet snow coming down this morning.




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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Marek

I do believe that it is illegal to remove certain items that area  part of a 
boat when racing.  Removing an anchor is not illegal so long as there is still 
one aboard.  I believe that was what was implied.  Many of us carry two anchors 
aboard

Mike



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 12:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

I think that removing an anchor is a bit of cheating (as the boat is no longer 
seaworthy).

I know people do that, but it does not make it right.

I don’t race anymore

Marek

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Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 23:40
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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net<mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude that my 
boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty tanks.  Put 
onboard her sail inventory, ground tackle, sheets & dock lines, gas grill, 
motor oil etc., full tank of gas, and she jumps to 9200.  I don't know how C 
computed the 8000 pounds in the brochure for a 30-1.

Cheers,
Randy


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To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: "randy stafford" 
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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:38:38 PM
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re:  Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

Thanks for the displacement data Michael.

I have HIN 30007972 - hull #7 laid up in September 1972 if I'm decoding 
correctly.

She has tiller steering and the Atomic-4 gasoline engine, rigged for spinnaker 
(pole chocked on deck) and roller-furling boom.  Two batteries, two sets of 
primary winches, two danforth anchors with chain / rope rode, fairly extensive 
sail inventory. Everything else is basic and standard, or very lightweight 
optional stuff.  For racing I can remove an anchor and many of the sails, and 
sail with empty tanks, etc.

I'll report back to the list after I've calculated her weight from truck scale 
differences between loaded & unloaded trailer.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I've never gotten a good weight reading for my boat either. 
The local lift operators said their scales were either broken or weren't very 
accurate. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "Rick Bushie via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Rick Bushie" <rickbushie...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 7:30:30 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement 

Randy, 

I've never weighed Anchovy. I do know that I can't carry her very far when I 
put her on my back. Seriously though, I think the difference in numbers is 
found in the distinction between weight and displacement. 

Rick Bushie 
Anchovy, 1971 30-1 
Tolchester, Md 

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Antoine Rose via CnC-List]

We should remember that the displacement given in the specs is a displacement 
calculated by the designer. Actual weight depends on how much the builder was 
successful in meeting the specs, especially with the hand laying of fiberglass. 
Most boats are actually a little heavier than their specs even before we 
started adding all the extra stuff. Don't forget boat hull also absorb some 
amount of water too. My boat is the 4'3" version, which is heavier too.

Antoine
C 30 Cousin

I've seen in 2000 the C 30 #1 in Collins Bay Marina, near Toronto. I believe 
this original was made for Georges Hinterholler himself. When my boat was 
hauled out, everyone noticed the extra surface added to my rudder to increase 
compensation and told me George had done exactly the same on his boat.



Le 2016-04-23 à 23:39, Randy Stafford via CnC-List a écrit :

> Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude that 
> my boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty tanks.  
> Put onboard her sail inventory, ground tackle, sheets & dock lines, gas 
> grill, motor oil etc., full tank of gas, and she jumps to 9200.  I don't know 
> how C computed the 8000 pounds in the brochure for a 30-1.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> From: "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: "randy stafford" <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:38:38 PM
> Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re:  Early 30-1 Interior Doors)
> 
> Thanks for the displacement data Michael.
> 
> I have HIN 30007972 - hull #7 laid up in September 1972 if I'm decoding 
> correctly.
> 
> She has tiller steering and the Atomic-4 gasoline engine, rigged for 
> spinnaker (pole chocked on deck) and roller-furling boom.  Two batteries, two 
> sets of primary winches, two danforth anchors with chain / rope rode, fairly 
> extensive sail inventory. Everything else is basic and standard, or very 
> lightweight optional stuff.  For racing I can remove an anchor and many of 
> the sails, and sail with empty tanks, etc.
> 
> I'll report back to the list after I've calculated her weight from truck 
> scale differences between loaded & unloaded trailer.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30 MK1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:38:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors
> 
> I have a C 30  "77" model year.
> From my HIN ZCC304531076 I would guess it is #453 laid up October 1976.
> 
> ...
> 
> At haulout, so no mast and most stuff removed the crane weighs me at 8500 - 
> 8800 lbs.
> Some of the C specs claimed 7,900 lbs which may have been possible stripped 
> out,
> one battery and tiller steering. I think in race trim carrying stuff like 
> flares, anchor and rode,
> #1 - #3 - spinnakers, spin and whisker pole  I would guess 10,000 lbs is 
> reasonable.
> ...
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
> 
> C Sailors- 
> 
> I noticed the owner of C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list. It's 
> awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this community.
> 
> ...
> 
> Also, Rick, what is the displacement of your boat? Sailboat data.com and the 
> brochures show 8000 pounds. But the previous owner of hull #7 thinks it's 
> higher, like 10,000 pounds. I'll measure her precise displacement by 
> differencing truck scale weights of loaded and unloaded trailer after I 
> launch her this spring, but just wanted to check with you. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Randy Stafford 
> S/V Grenadine 
> C 30 MK1 #7 
> Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Brochure weights are almost always low.  They are calculated by the
designer prior to build.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Maybe they weighed it in Arizonaless humidity.   LOL
> On Apr 23, 2016 11:40 PM, "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude
>> that my boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty
>> tanks.  Put onboard her sail inventory, ground tackle, sheets & dock lines,
>> gas grill, motor oil etc., full tank of gas, and she jumps to 9200.  I
>> don't know how C computed the 8000 pounds in the brochure for a 30-1.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Randy Stafford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *To: *"cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *Cc: *"randy stafford" <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:38:38 PM
>> *Subject: *Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re:  Early 30-1 Interior
>> Doors)
>>
>> Thanks for the displacement data Michael.
>>
>> I have HIN 30007972 - hull #7 laid up in September 1972 if I'm decoding
>> correctly.
>>
>> She has tiller steering and the Atomic-4 gasoline engine, rigged for
>> spinnaker (pole chocked on deck) and roller-furling boom.  Two batteries,
>> two sets of primary winches, two danforth anchors with chain / rope rode,
>> fairly extensive sail inventory. Everything else is basic and standard, or
>> very lightweight optional stuff.  For racing I can remove an anchor and
>> many of the sails, and sail with empty tanks, etc.
>>
>> I'll report back to the list after I've calculated her weight from truck
>> scale differences between loaded & unloaded trailer.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30 MK1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc: *"Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:38:37 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors
>>
>> I have a C 30  "77" model year.
>> From my HIN ZCC304531076 I would guess it is #453 laid up October 1976.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> At haulout, so no mast and most stuff removed the crane weighs me at 8500
>> - 8800 lbs.
>> Some of the C specs claimed 7,900 lbs which may have been possible
>> stripped out,
>> one battery and tiller steering. I think in race trim carrying stuff like
>> flares, anchor and rode,
>> #1 - #3 - spinnakers, spin and whisker pole  I would guess 10,000 lbs
>> is reasonable.
>> ...
>>
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C 30-1
>>
>> C Sailors-
>>
>> I noticed the owner of C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list.
>> It's awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this
>> community.
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Also, Rick, what is the displacement of your boat? Sailboat data.com and
>> the brochures show 8000 pounds. But the previous owner of hull #7 thinks
>> it's higher, like 10,000 pounds. I'll measure her precise displacement by
>> differencing truck scale weights of loaded and unloaded trailer after I
>> launch her this spring, but just wanted to check with you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30 MK1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement

[Rick Bushie via CnC-List]

Randy,

I've never weighed Anchovy.  I do know that I can't carry her very far when I 
put her on my back. Seriously though, I think the difference in numbers is 
found in the distinction between weight and displacement. 

Rick Bushie
Anchovy, 1971 30-1
Tolchester, Md

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Maybe they weighed it in Arizonaless humidity.   LOL
On Apr 23, 2016 11:40 PM, "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude
> that my boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty
> tanks.  Put onboard her sail inventory, ground tackle, sheets & dock lines,
> gas grill, motor oil etc., full tank of gas, and she jumps to 9200.  I
> don't know how C computed the 8000 pounds in the brochure for a 30-1.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> --
> *From: *"Randy Stafford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *To: *"cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc: *"randy stafford" <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:38:38 PM
> *Subject: *Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re:  Early 30-1 Interior
> Doors)
>
> Thanks for the displacement data Michael.
>
> I have HIN 30007972 - hull #7 laid up in September 1972 if I'm decoding
> correctly.
>
> She has tiller steering and the Atomic-4 gasoline engine, rigged for
> spinnaker (pole chocked on deck) and roller-furling boom.  Two batteries,
> two sets of primary winches, two danforth anchors with chain / rope rode,
> fairly extensive sail inventory. Everything else is basic and standard, or
> very lightweight optional stuff.  For racing I can remove an anchor and
> many of the sails, and sail with empty tanks, etc.
>
> I'll report back to the list after I've calculated her weight from truck
> scale differences between loaded & unloaded trailer.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30 MK1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> --
> *From: *"Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *"Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca>
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:38:37 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors
>
> I have a C 30  "77" model year.
> From my HIN ZCC304531076 I would guess it is #453 laid up October 1976.
>
> ...
>
> At haulout, so no mast and most stuff removed the crane weighs me at 8500
> - 8800 lbs.
> Some of the C specs claimed 7,900 lbs which may have been possible
> stripped out,
> one battery and tiller steering. I think in race trim carrying stuff like
> flares, anchor and rode,
> #1 - #3 - spinnakers, spin and whisker pole  I would guess 10,000 lbs
> is reasonable.
> ...
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
> C Sailors-
>
> I noticed the owner of C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list.
> It's awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this
> community.
>
>
> ...
>
> Also, Rick, what is the displacement of your boat? Sailboat data.com and
> the brochures show 8000 pounds. But the previous owner of hull #7 thinks
> it's higher, like 10,000 pounds. I'll measure her precise displacement by
> differencing truck scale weights of loaded and unloaded trailer after I
> launch her this spring, but just wanted to check with you.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30 MK1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I think that removing an anchor is a bit of cheating (as the boat is no longer 
seaworthy).

 

I know people do that, but it does not make it right.

 

I don’t race anymore

 

Marek

 

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Stafford via CnC-List
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To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

 

Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude that my 
boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty tanks.  Put 
onboard her sail inventory, ground tackle, sheets & dock lines, gas grill, 
motor oil etc., full tank of gas, and she jumps to 9200.  I don't know how C 
computed the 8000 pounds in the brochure for a 30-1.

 

Cheers,

Randy

 

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<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:38:38 PM
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re:  Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

 

Thanks for the displacement data Michael.

 

I have HIN 30007972 - hull #7 laid up in September 1972 if I'm decoding 
correctly.

 

She has tiller steering and the Atomic-4 gasoline engine, rigged for spinnaker 
(pole chocked on deck) and roller-furling boom.  Two batteries, two sets of 
primary winches, two danforth anchors with chain / rope rode, fairly extensive 
sail inventory. Everything else is basic and standard, or very lightweight 
optional stuff.  For racing I can remove an anchor and many of the sails, and 
sail with empty tanks, etc.

 

I'll report back to the list after I've calculated her weight from truck scale 
differences between loaded & unloaded trailer.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30 MK1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

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From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca <mailto:m...@tkg.ca> >
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:38:37 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors

 

I have a C 30  "77" model year.
>From my HIN ZCC304531076 I would guess it is #453 laid up October 1976.

 

...

 

At haulout, so no mast and most stuff removed the crane weighs me at 8500 - 
8800 lbs.
Some of the C specs claimed 7,900 lbs which may have been possible stripped 
out,
one battery and tiller steering. I think in race trim carrying stuff like 
flares, anchor and rode,
#1 - #3 - spinnakers, spin and whisker pole  I would guess 10,000 lbs is 
reasonable.

...

 

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

 

C Sailors- 

 

I noticed the owner of C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list. It's 
awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this community.

 

...

 

Also, Rick, what is the displacement of your boat? Sailboat data.com and the 
brochures show 8000 pounds. But the previous owner of hull #7 thinks it's 
higher, like 10,000 pounds. I'll measure her precise displacement by 
differencing truck scale weights of loaded and unloaded trailer after I launch 
her this spring, but just wanted to check with you. 

 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30 MK1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 


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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Now that I've launched my boat and weighed my trailer empty, I conclude that my 
boat weighs ~8700 pounds with absolutely nothing aboard and empty tanks. Put 
onboard her sail inventory, ground tackle, sheets & dock lines, gas grill, 
motor oil etc., full tank of gas, and she jumps to 9200. I don't know how C 
computed the 8000 pounds in the brochure for a 30-1. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "randy stafford" <randy.staff...@comcast.net> 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:38:38 PM 
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors) 

Thanks for the displacement data Michael. 

I have HIN 30007972 - hull #7 laid up in September 1972 if I'm decoding 
correctly. 

She has tiller steering and the Atomic-4 gasoline engine, rigged for spinnaker 
(pole chocked on deck) and roller-furling boom. Two batteries, two sets of 
primary winches, two danforth anchors with chain / rope rode, fairly extensive 
sail inventory. Everything else is basic and standard, or very lightweight 
optional stuff. For racing I can remove an anchor and many of the sails, and 
sail with empty tanks, etc. 

I'll report back to the list after I've calculated her weight from truck scale 
differences between loaded & unloaded trailer. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30 MK1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:38:37 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors 

I have a C 30 "77" model year. 
>From my HIN ZCC304531076 I would guess it is #453 laid up October 1976. 

... 

At haulout, so no mast and most stuff removed the crane weighs me at 8500 - 
8800 lbs. 
Some of the C specs claimed 7,900 lbs which may have been possible stripped 
out, 
one battery and tiller steering. I think in race trim carrying stuff like 
flares, anchor and rode, 
#1 - #3 - spinnakers, spin and whisker pole  I would guess 10,000 lbs is 
reasonable. 
... 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 



C Sailors- 

I noticed the owner of C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list. It's 
awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this community. 



... 



Also, Rick, what is the displacement of your boat? Sailboat data.com and the 
brochures show 8000 pounds. But the previous owner of hull #7 thinks it's 
higher, like 10,000 pounds. I'll measure her precise displacement by 
differencing truck scale weights of loaded and unloaded trailer after I launch 
her this spring, but just wanted to check with you. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30 MK1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 




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Stus-List 30-1 Displacement (was Re: Early 30-1 Interior Doors)

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks for the displacement data Michael. 

I have HIN 30007972 - hull #7 laid up in September 1972 if I'm decoding 
correctly. 

She has tiller steering and the Atomic-4 gasoline engine, rigged for spinnaker 
(pole chocked on deck) and roller-furling boom. Two batteries, two sets of 
primary winches, two danforth anchors with chain / rope rode, fairly extensive 
sail inventory. Everything else is basic and standard, or very lightweight 
optional stuff. For racing I can remove an anchor and many of the sails, and 
sail with empty tanks, etc. 

I'll report back to the list after I've calculated her weight from truck scale 
differences between loaded & unloaded trailer. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30 MK1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Michael Brown"  
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:38:37 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors 

I have a C 30 "77" model year. 
>From my HIN ZCC304531076 I would guess it is #453 laid up October 1976. 

... 

At haulout, so no mast and most stuff removed the crane weighs me at 8500 - 
8800 lbs. 
Some of the C specs claimed 7,900 lbs which may have been possible stripped 
out, 
one battery and tiller steering. I think in race trim carrying stuff like 
flares, anchor and rode, 
#1 - #3 - spinnakers, spin and whisker pole  I would guess 10,000 lbs is 
reasonable. 
... 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 



C Sailors- 

I noticed the owner of C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list. It's 
awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this community. 



... 



Also, Rick, what is the displacement of your boat? Sailboat data.com and the 
brochures show 8000 pounds. But the previous owner of hull #7 thinks it's 
higher, like 10,000 pounds. I'll measure her precise displacement by 
differencing truck scale weights of loaded and unloaded trailer after I launch 
her this spring, but just wanted to check with you. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30 MK1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 




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