Re: Stus-List Cabin sole replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

There are several sources for artificial holly teak. I've worked with PlasTeak 
to install PlasDek, the exterior version, on a deck hatch.  Google plastic teak 
floor for others. 

These products are relatively easy to install. Prep the undersurface, spread 
adhesive with a notched trowel, lay it down and roll it with a laminate floor 
roller (<$25 at a big box home store).  Let cure 24 hours. Done. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Speakin' of which. Pegathy's cabin sole is original, I think, glass enclosed 
> ply with holly/teak veneer and varnish. The veneer is separating from the 
> ply, but the ply is in good shape, I think. I was thinking about using some 
> kind of artificial teak/holly "stuff" and gluing it on top of the ply, after 
> removing any loose veneer. Any suggestions as to if this is a good idea? And, 
> if it is, what kind of "stuff" should I use. I'm hoping to do it over the 
> winter.
> 
> Dan Sheer
> Pegathy C&C LF38
> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole replacement

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I have a little separation on one piece of the sole. I am going to try to 
gently open up the separations, inject some glue or epoxy and clamp it tight
John Enterprise 

 On Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:51 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
 wrote:
   

 Speakin' of which. Pegathy's cabin sole is original, I think, glass enclosed 
ply with holly/teak veneer and varnish. The veneer is separating from the ply, 
but the ply is in good shape, I think. I was thinking about using some kind of 
artificial teak/holly "stuff" and gluing it on top of the ply, after removing 
any loose veneer. Any suggestions as to if this is a good idea? And, if it is, 
what kind of "stuff" should I use. I'm hoping to do it over the winter.
Dan SheerPegathy C&C LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco

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Stus-List Cabin sole replacement

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

Speakin' of which. Pegathy's cabin sole is original, I think, glass enclosed 
ply with holly/teak veneer and varnish. The veneer is separating from the ply, 
but the ply is in good shape, I think. I was thinking about using some kind of 
artificial teak/holly "stuff" and gluing it on top of the ply, after removing 
any loose veneer. Any suggestions as to if this is a good idea? And, if it is, 
what kind of "stuff" should I use. I'm hoping to do it over the winter.
Dan SheerPegathy C&C LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

you wrote:

I think I could be persuaded to do up new cabin soles for other listers at 
$9600 each. In other words, I think $9600 is way too high. $4100 sounds about 
right.


Roger that.  Heck, I'll fly up on my own dime... but you'd have to put 
me up in the spare bedroom.  And I smoke and drink and swear a lot.  
However, I'm really good with children -- just tonight there was a 
bonfire on the beach and someone contributed a small wooden child's 
chair.  I went in search of a child to lash down to the chair before the 
fire caught.


(Ummm, VBG)

Wal

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[davidrisch75 via CnC-List]

Agreed. But my experience of boat yard bills is that are at least 2x the 
estimate. Sucks.   But it is.my reality.  I I abide by it and it keeps my out 
of trouble.


David F. Risch.

Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device.

 Original message From: Michael Brown via 
CnC-List  Date:12/12/2014  8:13 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement 

>From a procedural point of view I believe the contractor has an inescapable
responsibility to inform a client of deliverables, costs and risks in a plainly
worded contract. Unless you have given clear carte blanc ro proceed with the
job the contractor has a further responsibility to advise you of issues that
would prevent the contract to be completed as awarded.

Good advise from Bill Walker.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:55:34 -0500
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To: "=?utf-8?B?RGFuIFV0aW5za2UgdmlhIENuQy1MaXN0?="
     
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I replaced my cabin sole on my 36 with European grade teak and holly plywood 
last winter. Did work myself.  Used old for patterns, did work 425 miles from 
boat and all fit like a glove.
Paid about 280 a sheet for ply, pick up at distributor.   Needed two sheets.
Applied epoxy to bottom and sides of all.
9 coats varnish, sand between every other coat.
I estimate 10-!5 hours fabrication, 10-15  hours varnish.  Two quarts varnish.
The 36 has a lot of floor compared even to a 34.  Five separate pieces.
This is a ridiculous amount that they want.  I wouldn't pay a penny over the 
yard estimate without really good reason.  Call your lawyer.
Bill Walker
Retired Judge and Lawyer
Evening Star
CnC 36
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

>From a procedural point of view I believe the contractor has an inescapable
responsibility to inform a client of deliverables, costs and risks in a plainly
worded contract. Unless you have given clear carte blanc ro proceed with the
job the contractor has a further responsibility to advise you of issues that
would prevent the contract to be completed as awarded.

Good advise from Bill Walker.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:55:34 -0500 
From: "=?utf-8?B?d3dhZGpvdXJuQGFvbC5jb20=?="  
To: "=?utf-8?B?RGFuIFV0aW5za2UgdmlhIENuQy1MaXN0?=" 
      
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement 
Message-ID: 
      
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
I replaced my cabin sole on my 36 with European grade teak and holly plywood 
last winter. Did work myself.  Used old for patterns, did work 425 miles from 
boat and all fit like a glove.   
Paid about 280 a sheet for ply, pick up at distributor.   Needed two sheets.   
Applied epoxy to bottom and sides of all.   
9 coats varnish, sand between every other coat.   
I estimate 10-!5 hours fabrication, 10-15  hours varnish.  Two quarts varnish.  
The 36 has a lot of floor compared even to a 34.  Five separate pieces.   
This is a ridiculous amount that they want.  I wouldn't pay a penny over the 
yard estimate without really good reason.  Call your lawyer. 
Bill Walker 
Retired Judge and Lawyer 
Evening Star 
CnC 36  
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[RPH via CnC-List]

Steve, 

I'm sorry if this post is a repeat. I included a couple of photos with my 
original post which are omitted here. 

I too just replaced the cabin sole in my 30 MKII. I'm no professional 
carpenter, so I took my time. Though I thought it was a big job (and one that I 
probably wouldn't want to do again) I think I could be persuaded to do up new 
cabin soles for other listers at $9600 each. In other words, I think $9600 is 
way too high. $4100 sounds about right.

 Original message From: steve via CnC-List 
 Date:12-12-2014  1:00 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Cabin Sole 
replacement 
I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard 
for a couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out 
nicely.  However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The 
freeze/thaw cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to replace it.

The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine grade plywood 
sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they should be and the 
subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole really improves the 
look of the cabin.

Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I 
apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had 
expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable and, 
I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual bill is 
for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!

So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work and the 
cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely hosed.

I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood was 
about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.

Steve Anderson
Shadow
C&C 41


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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Steve,

I’m in the process of replacing my cabin sole, for the 2nd time stupidly, and 
this sounds very high for that sort of a job. The others have calculated the 
costs and I am in agreement with their totals, around $4,200 to rebuild a cabin 
sole of the size in a 41. And I’m disturbed that some of the fitment is not 
tight. If they had the originals then there should be no bad joints or 
looseness. Good work with a router and some hand sanding should make for tight 
joints.

As regards the cost of varnish, I’m using AwlGrip’s Awlwood product this time 
around and is $70.00/quart for both the clear primer and the gloss finish….

I would try get detailed data on how and what was done on this project. I hope 
it all works out for you.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:00 PM, steve via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for a 
> couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out nicely.  
> However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The freeze/thaw 
> cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to replace it.
> 
> The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine grade plywood 
> sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they should be and 
> the subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole really improves 
> the look of the cabin.
> 
> Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I 
> apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had 
> expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable 
> and, I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual 
> bill is for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!
> 
> So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work and 
> the cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely hosed.
> 
> I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood was 
> about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.
> 
> Steve Anderson
> Shadow
> C&C 41
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Steve, 
You may get a better price if you offer to pay cash? 
Boatyards charge owners $90/hr but pay their guys less than $30/hr, so there is 
a lot of wiggle room. I had the yard replace a keel, big job done on my boat, 
and the yard recalculated the workman's hourly cost to their cost. I worked 
with the guys as a helper, rigging fans on the guy grinding and vacuuming all 
of the dust, mixing resin for glasser, etc. 

Find a way to compliment the result, treat the contractor with respect for the 
work done, and explain your surprise at the final cost. Ask if they did more 
than you asked. He may have thought since you bought such a large boat, you are 
Bill Gates and have unlimited funds? 

Good luck. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "steve via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:00:23 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement 

I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for a 
couple of years. The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out nicely. 
However, it was left with standing water in the bilges. The freeze/thaw cycle 
completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to replace it. 

The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine grade plywood 
sole and it looks pretty good. Some gaps are wider than they should be and the 
subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole really improves the 
look of the cabin. 

Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it. The shop guy and I 
apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner. I had expected 
a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable and, I just 
couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual bill is for 
$9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!! 

So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work and the 
cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely hosed. 

I would love to hear opinions on this. By the way, the cost of the wood was 
about $700. I don't know the cost of the varnish. 

Steve Anderson 
Shadow 
C&C 41 





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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

5-10 yeas ago I had the sole replaced in my 36XL/kcb with a teak and holly 
veneer on a plywood substrate (I think--I know it was not solid teak and holly.

The old sole was removed, used for a template and new ones cut, etc. and 
installed for about $2000. 
 
Initially I asked the yard for the cost of repairing/refinishing the old and 
they said it would be about the same so I went with the new.
 
Even now, I doubt that a replacement would go north of $3000 so your $4000 
estimate seems very reasonable, wherever you got it.
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
 
cenel...@aol.com

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
To: 'steve' ; cnc-list 
Sent: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement



Steve, Wow! 
 
I’m curious where the $4,100 expectation came from. That is a huge difference. 
The cost of having professionals do any marine work is always a little 
surprising to me but this does seem high unless there were significant 
unanticipated challenges associated with the work. In that case you should have 
been apprised of the situation and given the opportunity for approval. They 
ought to be able to provide you with the details of the cost factors assuming 
this was not a firm quote. If it was a firm quote then “miscommunication” is an 
understatement. Like maybe you missed the second page of the quote with the 
total on it. Sorry to hear about your situation. 
 
Burt 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of steve via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement
 


I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for a 
couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out nicely.  
However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The freeze/thaw cycle 
completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to replace it.

 

The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine grade plywood 
sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they should be and the 
subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole really improves the 
look of the cabin.

 

Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I 
apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had 
expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable and, 
I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual bill is 
for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!

 

So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work and the 
cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely hosed.

 

I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood was 
about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.

 

Steve Anderson

Shadow

C&C 41
















 




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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[wwadjourn]

I replaced my cabin sole on my 36 with European grade teak and holly plywood 
last winter. Did work myself.  Used old for patterns, did work 425 miles from 
boat and all fit like a glove.  
Paid about 280 a sheet for ply, pick up at distributor.   Needed two sheets.  
Applied epoxy to bottom and sides of all.  
9 coats varnish, sand between every other coat.  
I estimate 10-!5 hours fabrication, 10-15  hours varnish.  Two quarts varnish. 
The 36 has a lot of floor compared even to a 34.  Five separate pieces.  
This is a ridiculous amount that they want.  I wouldn't pay a penny over the 
yard estimate without really good reason.  Call your lawyer.
Bill Walker
Retired Judge and Lawyer
Evening Star
CnC 36 



Sent from my HTC

- Reply message -
From: "Dan Utinske via CnC-List" 
To: "Burt Stratton" , 
Subject: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement
Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 4:41 PM

Sounds like there's a need for KY Jelly!

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Steve, Wow!
>
>
>
> I’m curious where the $4,100 expectation came from. That is a huge
> difference. The cost of having professionals do any marine work is always a
> little surprising to me but this does seem high unless there were
> significant unanticipated challenges associated with the work. In that case
> you should have been apprised of the situation and given the opportunity
> for approval. They ought to be able to provide you with the details of the
> cost factors assuming this was not a firm quote. If it was a firm quote
> then “miscommunication” is an understatement. Like maybe you missed the
> second page of the quote with the total on it. Sorry to hear about your
> situation.
>
>
>
> Burt
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *steve
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 4:00 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement
>
>
>
> I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for
> a couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out
> nicely.  However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The
> freeze/thaw cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to
> replace it.
>
>
>
> The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine
> grade plywood sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they
> should be and the subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole
> really improves the look of the cabin.
>
>
>
> Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I
> apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had
> expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable
> and, I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual
> bill is for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!
>
>
>
> So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work
> and the cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely
> hosed.
>
>
>
> I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood
> was about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.
>
>
>
> Steve Anderson
>
> Shadow
>
> C&C 41
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Dan Utinske via CnC-List]

Sounds like there's a need for KY Jelly!

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Steve, Wow!
>
>
>
> I’m curious where the $4,100 expectation came from. That is a huge
> difference. The cost of having professionals do any marine work is always a
> little surprising to me but this does seem high unless there were
> significant unanticipated challenges associated with the work. In that case
> you should have been apprised of the situation and given the opportunity
> for approval. They ought to be able to provide you with the details of the
> cost factors assuming this was not a firm quote. If it was a firm quote
> then “miscommunication” is an understatement. Like maybe you missed the
> second page of the quote with the total on it. Sorry to hear about your
> situation.
>
>
>
> Burt
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *steve
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 4:00 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement
>
>
>
> I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for
> a couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out
> nicely.  However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The
> freeze/thaw cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to
> replace it.
>
>
>
> The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine
> grade plywood sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they
> should be and the subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole
> really improves the look of the cabin.
>
>
>
> Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I
> apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had
> expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable
> and, I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual
> bill is for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!
>
>
>
> So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work
> and the cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely
> hosed.
>
>
>
> I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood
> was about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.
>
>
>
> Steve Anderson
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Steve, Wow! 

 

I’m curious where the $4,100 expectation came from. That is a huge difference. 
The cost of having professionals do any marine work is always a little 
surprising to me but this does seem high unless there were significant 
unanticipated challenges associated with the work. In that case you should have 
been apprised of the situation and given the opportunity for approval. They 
ought to be able to provide you with the details of the cost factors assuming 
this was not a firm quote. If it was a firm quote then “miscommunication” is an 
understatement. Like maybe you missed the second page of the quote with the 
total on it. Sorry to hear about your situation. 

 

Burt 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of steve via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

 

I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for a 
couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out nicely.  
However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The freeze/thaw cycle 
completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to replace it.

 

The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine grade plywood 
sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they should be and the 
subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole really improves the 
look of the cabin.

 

Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I 
apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had 
expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable and, 
I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual bill is 
for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!

 

So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work and the 
cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely hosed.

 

I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood was 
about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.

 

Steve Anderson

Shadow

C&C 41





 



 

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I'd assume a mistake and question the bill.  You can also ask for backup and 
they should be able to give you the hours by day.  Where did you come up with 
the $4100 figure.  Did they estimate that to you?   If so I'd think they owe 
you at least a good explanation of how the price could more than double without 
so much as a phone call to communicate why the bill was going up. Did they 
uncover some issue that needed to be addressed after beginning the job? if so 
they should have called and told you of the situation and asked for your 
approval to continue... I would suggest beginning from the perspective that 
there is must be some mistake in the billing and see how they react to your 
inquiry. Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: steve , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:10:22 -0500


Ouch! If labor is 8600 (expensive varnish?), at $80 an hour it is over 100 
hours.  At $40 an hour, it is over 200 hours.  Did they use hand saws and 
rasps?  Sounds ridiculous for a mediocre job! Joel
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:00 PM, steve via CnC-List 
wrote:I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that 
had a been on the hard for a couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape 
and surveyed out nicely.  However, it was left with standing water in the 
bilges.  The freeze/thaw cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed 
to replace it. The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine 
grade plywood sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they 
should be and the subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole 
really improves the look of the cabin. Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, 
choking on it.  The shop guy and I apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly 
significant manner.  I had expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on 
the edge of reasonable and, I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job 
myself. The actual bill is for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time 
at $9,600!! So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the 
work and the cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely 
hosed. I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood 
was about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish. Steve AndersonShadowC&C 
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

I paid about $1,200 in materials for a holly+teak sole for my 33' last summer.  
A friend and I did the work (actually he did most of it). I was told that the 
cost would be about $5,000 if I hired someone.

So your materials cost seems a bit low and labour seems a bit high.   $5 - $6k 
might be reasonable for 41'

Mike 
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Rochester.rr.com via CnC-List]

Hi Steve 

The yard should of given you a written estimate prior to the work being done.  
If the yard was working on a T/M basis I would ask for the details in what they 
did their may have been fiberglass repairs in addition to the wood repairs. 

Good luck



Brian Donovan
112 Frisbee Hill Rd 
Hilton NY 14468
(585) 313-1940

> On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:00 PM, steve via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for a 
> couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out nicely.  
> However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The freeze/thaw 
> cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to replace it.
> 
> The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine grade plywood 
> sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they should be and 
> the subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole really improves 
> the look of the cabin.
> 
> Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I 
> apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had 
> expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable 
> and, I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual 
> bill is for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!
> 
> So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work and 
> the cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely hosed.
> 
> I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood was 
> about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.
> 
> Steve Anderson
> Shadow
> C&C 41
> 
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Ouch!

If labor is 8600 (expensive varnish?), at $80 an hour it is over 100
hours.  At $40 an hour, it is over 200 hours.  Did they use hand saws and
rasps?  Sounds ridiculous for a mediocre job!

Joel

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:00 PM, steve via CnC-List 
wrote:
>
> I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for
> a couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out
> nicely.  However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The
> freeze/thaw cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to
> replace it.
>
> The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine
> grade plywood sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they
> should be and the subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole
> really improves the look of the cabin.
>
> Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I
> apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had
> expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable
> and, I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual
> bill is for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!
>
> So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work
> and the cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely
> hosed.
>
> I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood
> was about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.
>
> Steve Anderson
> Shadow
> C&C 41
>
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Stus-List Cabin Sole replacement

[steve via CnC-List]

I acquired a 1984 C&C 41 earlier this year that had a been on the hard for
a couple of years.  The boat's in pretty good shape and surveyed out
nicely.  However, it was left with standing water in the bilges.  The
freeze/thaw cycle completely destroyed the cabin sole so I needed to
replace it.

The shop just finished installing the new teak & holly marine grade plywood
sole and it looks pretty good.  Some gaps are wider than they should be and
the subfloor is pieced together poorly but, overall the sole really
improves the look of the cabin.

Now I'm looking at the bill - actually, choking on it.  The shop guy and I
apparently miscommunicated in a staggeringly significant manner.  I had
expected a bill of $4,100 which seemed high but, on the edge of reasonable
and, I just couldn't free up enough time to try the job myself. The actual
bill is for $9,600I could have freed up a lot more time at $9,600!!

So, I'm trying to find out if I just completely underestimated the work and
the cost is reasonable...or, if I'm getting totally and completely hosed.

I would love to hear opinions on this.  By the way, the cost of the wood
was about $700.  I don't know the cost of the varnish.

Steve Anderson
Shadow
C&C 41
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