Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
CNG is safer than propane but burns cooler From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Davin via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; rickbr...@earthlink.net; detroit...@aol.com Cc: Patrick Davin Subject: Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC Looks like a good deal. Especially if that new engine install was well done. CNG stove is a downside vs LPG in my opinion. Not sure where they store their CNG - the box that normally holds LPG tanks under the helm seat is missing. Listing says it's a 1981 but specs tab says 1979. Sometimes brokers just mess up, but would be good to confirm which is which. No windlass (unless they omitted it from specs) with a big anchor will make for a good biceps workout. Nice Manson though. Running rigging needs replacement probably, at least the genoa sheets. Boom vang is an upgrade, that's nice. Teak toerails need reconditioning. What is that in front of the stove? A 4' tall refrigerator? Gack. I would definitely check it out! With close attention to how the engine repowering was done. -Patrick CC LF 38 Seattle, WA On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.netmailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: James Schwartz detroit...@aol.commailto:detroit...@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:25:52 -0400 Subject: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC A friend of mine is pretty impressed with a 1981 LF38 for sale at Ashley Yachts in Charleston, SC and is close to making an offer on her. Jim is interested in a strong and comfortable boat for retirement cruising on the ICW starting this coming winter. He has sailed several times on my 38 mk2 and appreciates the build quality and performance, and the amenities in a LF38 are attractive to his Admiral. He has already seen the boat, and has asked me to go back with him to take a closer look at the mechanical systems before finalizing an offer. The name of the boat is “True Love”. The listing on Yacht World is: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/CC-Landfall-2842472/Mt-Pleasant/SC/United-States#.VX9bgMtRH3g Does anyone know anything about this boat or its history. I’m a bit curious about the new rudder. I also note that the tankage listed is different from the original spec sheet on an LF38. Do any of the LF owners on here see anything in the photographs on Yacht World that require further investigation, or anything that strikes you as especially desirable? Finally, if this gets to the offer stage, Jim will need to have the boat surveyed. Does anyone have a recommendation for a surveyor in the Charleston area, especially one with CC experience? A surveyor named David Hill was recommended to my friend; does anyone have experience with him or knowledge of his past performance? Thanks for the help and advice. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
CNG rises, propane sinks making propane much more hazardous if boat is properly ventilated. See masquerade (movie with Rob Lowe).Jerry Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: CNG is safer than propane but burns cooler From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Davin via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; rickbr...@earthlink.net; detroit...@aol.com Cc: Patrick Davin Subject: Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC Looks like a good deal. Especially if that new engine install was well done. CNG stove is a downside vs LPG in my opinion. Not sure where they store their CNG - the box that normally holds LPG tanks under the helm seat is missing. Listing says it's a 1981 but specs tab says 1979. Sometimes brokers just mess up, but would be good to confirm which is which. No windlass (unless they omitted it from specs) with a big anchor will make for a good biceps workout. Nice Manson though. Running rigging needs replacement probably, at least the genoa sheets. Boom vang is an upgrade, that's nice. Teak toerails need reconditioning. What is that in front of the stove? A 4' tall refrigerator? Gack. I would definitely check it out! With close attention to how the engine repowering was done. -Patrick CC LF 38 Seattle, WA On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: James Schwartz detroit...@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:25:52 -0400 Subject: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC A friend of mine is pretty impressed with a 1981 LF38 for sale at Ashley Yachts in Charleston, SC and is close to making an offer on her. Jim is interested in a strong and comfortable boat for retirement cruising on the ICW starting this coming winter. He has sailed several times on my 38 mk2 and appreciates the build quality and performance, and the amenities in a LF38 are attractive to his Admiral. He has already seen the boat, and has asked me to go back with him to take a closer look at the mechanical systems before finalizing an offer. The name of the boat is “True Love”. The listing on Yacht World is: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/CC-Landfall-2842472/Mt-Pleasant/SC/United-States#.VX9bgMtRH3g Does anyone know anything about this boat or its history. I’m a bit curious about the new rudder. I also note that the tankage listed is different from the original spec sheet on an LF38. Do any of the LF owners on here see anything in the photographs on Yacht World that require further investigation, or anything that strikes you as especially desirable? Finally, if this gets to the offer stage, Jim will need to have the boat surveyed. Does anyone have a recommendation for a surveyor in the Charleston area, especially one with CC experience? A surveyor named David Hill was recommended to my friend; does anyone have experience with him or knowledge of his past performance? Thanks for the help and advice. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
This is newer than a 79, It also has the nav station w/ no starboard Quarter berth. I am going to guess it is closer to an 82 or 83 vintage. I agree with the other comments on the stainless holding tank. and that fridge...UHK!! Doug Mountjoy sv Pegasus LF38 just west of Ballard On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Stainless steel is not resistant to the type of acids salt you get in a holding tank--plastic is much better. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2015, at 8:07 PM, detroit...@aol.com wrote: why not agood idea? jim =20 =20 -Original Message- From: Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net; James Schwartz detroit...@aol.co= m Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2015 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston,= SC =20 Seems like a ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
I'm no expert on the LF38 but I'm an expert window shopper on yachtworld ;) I doubt there's been one listed in the past three years I haven't ogled. I've seen listings with every configuration that Fred mentions and I've definitely seen the laminate doors on newer boats. I think it must have been an option. Same with the separate shower, that must have been an option too because I've seen later boats with and without it. I notice these things because I value both (separate shower and wood). I'm not sure about the wrap around galley but I'm under the impression that it's a newer boat thing. The LF 38 is on the short list .. when the time comes. Hence the interest. Steve Suhana, CC32 Toronto On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Doug — all the newer than 1980/81 LF38s I’ve seen have used teak ply doors in the galley, rather than the laminate-covered ones I’ve got on my 1979; and many have the wrap-around galley, with the peninsula forward of the range, as well as a separate shower stall in place of the drawer stack forward of the head. I’m very sure this is NOT a 1982 or 1983 boat. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is newer than a 79, It also has the nav station w/ no starboard Quarter berth. I am going to guess it is closer to an 82 or 83 vintage. I agree with the other comments on the stainless holding tank. and that fridge...UHK!! Doug Mountjoy sv Pegasus LF38 just west of Ballard ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
Doug — all the newer than 1980/81 LF38s I’ve seen have used teak ply doors in the galley, rather than the laminate-covered ones I’ve got on my 1979; and many have the wrap-around galley, with the peninsula forward of the range, as well as a separate shower stall in place of the drawer stack forward of the head. I’m very sure this is NOT a 1982 or 1983 boat. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is newer than a 79, It also has the nav station w/ no starboard Quarter berth. I am going to guess it is closer to an 82 or 83 vintage. I agree with the other comments on the stainless holding tank. and that fridge...UHK!! Doug Mountjoy sv Pegasus LF38 just west of Ballard ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
Fred, maybe I am wrong but the drawers in the engine room access door make me think it is newer. But then having hull #4 every LF38 is newer. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List Date: Tue, Jun 16, 2015 09:40To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Frederick G Street;Subject:Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SCDoug — all the newer than 1980/81 LF38s I’ve seen have used teak ply doors in the galley, rather than the laminate-covered ones I’ve got on my 1979; and many have the wrap-around galley, with the peninsula forward of the range, as well as a separate shower stall in place of the drawer stack forward of the head. I’m very sure this is NOT a 1982 or 1983 boat. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is newer than a 79, It also has the nav station w/ no starboard Quarter berth. I am going to guess it is closer to an 82 or 83 vintage. I agree with the other comments on the stainless holding tank. and that fridge...UHK!! Doug Mountjoy sv Pegasus LF38 just west of Ballard ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
Yeah, I’m hull #9… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 16, 2015, at 12:43 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: But then having hull #4 every LF38 is newer. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
I have a 1983 LF38 and my cabinet doors in the galley are some some type of cream colored laminate over plywood--not teak. The galley arrangement as well as the shower arrangement were options in 1983. The separate shower (which I don't have) I understand was a popular and valued option. I have an L-shaped galley. Bob On Jun 16, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Doug — all the newer than 1980/81 LF38s I’ve seen have used teak ply doors in the galley, rather than the laminate-covered ones I’ve got on my 1979; and many have the wrap-around galley, with the peninsula forward of the range, as well as a separate shower stall in place of the drawer stack forward of the head. I’m very sure this is NOT a 1982 or 1983 boat. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is newer than a 79, It also has the nav station w/ no starboard Quarter berth. I am going to guess it is closer to an 82 or 83 vintage. I agree with the other comments on the stainless holding tank. and that fridge...UHK!! Doug Mountjoy sv Pegasus LF38 just west of Ballard ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
On Jun 15, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Do any of the LF owners on here see anything in the photographs on Yacht World that require further investigation, or anything that strikes you as especially desirable? Hi, Rick! A couple of things I noticed: • In photo #2, it appears that the fixed side windows have been framed with something. Better view in photo #10. • In photo #3, to bow pulpit looks like it’s been bent quite a bit to port. Better check the mounting feet for leaks or glass issues. • Photo #7: the steering pedestal has been replaced, and the engine controls switched over to the Edson dual-lever controls; a nice upgrade. • Also photo #7: a new pedestal guard and pod for the chartplotter, to go with the new pedestal. Also a nice upgrade. • Photo #12: this boat has the starboard nav station with the “double” quarterberth to port; from the breaker panels, it looks like original electrical, so may need some work there. • Photo #22: agreed on the mini-fridge — ack! • Photo #25: interesting, my boat has teak ceilings on either side of the v-berth, as well as in the quarterberths. What’s that weird cream-colored stuff in this boat? From the specs: • Agreed on the engine re-power — if done well, it’s a nice upgrade. • Also agreed on the stainless holding tank — not a good idea. • Where are they fitting in 135 gallons of water?? Mine came standard with a bow tank, as well as tanks under each of the saloon settees, for a total of 105 gallons. I’d have him recheck this number; it seems suspect. The holding and fuel tanks seem a bit generous, too, considering that the holding tank is probably under the nav station seat. • This does look a LOT more like a 1979 than a 1981. That’s what I see for now. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
A friend of mine is pretty impressed with a 1981 LF38 for sale at Ashley Yachts in Charleston, SC and is close to making an offer on her. Jim is interested in a strong and comfortable boat for retirement cruising on the ICW starting this coming winter. He has sailed several times on my 38 mk2 and appreciates the build quality and performance, and the amenities in a LF38 are attractive to his Admiral. He has already seen the boat, and has asked me to go back with him to take a closer look at the mechanical systems before finalizing an offer. The name of the boat is True Love. The listing on Yacht World is: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/CC-Landfall-2842472/Mt-Pleasant/SC/Un ited-States#.VX9bgMtRH3g C-Landfall-2842472/Mt-Pleasant/SC/United-States#.VX9bgMtRH3g Does anyone know anything about this boat or its history. I'm a bit curious about the new rudder. I also note that the tankage listed is different from the original spec sheet on an LF38. Do any of the LF owners on here see anything in the photographs on Yacht World that require further investigation, or anything that strikes you as especially desirable? Finally, if this gets to the offer stage, Jim will need to have the boat surveyed. Does anyone have a recommendation for a surveyor in the Charleston area, especially one with CC experience? A surveyor named David Hill was recommended to my friend; does anyone have experience with him or knowledge of his past performance? Thanks for the help and advice. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
Seems like a good boat but Stainless steel holding tank is not a good idea. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A friend of mine is pretty impressed with a 1981 LF38 for sale at Ashley Yachts in Charleston, SC and is close to making an offer on her. Jim is interested in a strong and comfortable boat for retirement cruising on the ICW starting this coming winter. He has sailed several times on my 38 mk2 and appreciates the build quality and performance, and the amenities in a LF38 are attractive to his Admiral. He has already seen the boat, and has asked me to go back with him to take a closer look at the mechanical systems before finalizing an offer. The name of the boat is “True Love”. The listing on Yacht World is: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/CC-Landfall-2842472/Mt-Pleasant/SC/United-States#.VX9bgMtRH3g Does anyone know anything about this boat or its history. I’m a bit curious about the new rudder. I also note that the tankage listed is different from the original spec sheet on an LF38. Do any of the LF owners on here see anything in the photographs on Yacht World that require further investigation, or anything that strikes you as especially desirable? Finally, if this gets to the offer stage, Jim will need to have the boat surveyed. Does anyone have a recommendation for a surveyor in the Charleston area, especially one with CC experience? A surveyor named David Hill was recommended to my friend; does anyone have experience with him or knowledge of his past performance? Thanks for the help and advice. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
Stainless steel is not resistant to the type of acids salt you get in a holding tank--plastic is much better. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2015, at 8:07 PM, detroit...@aol.com wrote: why not agood idea? jim =20 =20 -Original Message- From: Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net; James Schwartz detroit...@aol.co= m Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2015 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston,= SC =20 Seems like a ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC
Looks like a good deal. Especially if that new engine install was well done. CNG stove is a downside vs LPG in my opinion. Not sure where they store their CNG - the box that normally holds LPG tanks under the helm seat is missing. Listing says it's a 1981 but specs tab says 1979. Sometimes brokers just mess up, but would be good to confirm which is which. No windlass (unless they omitted it from specs) with a big anchor will make for a good biceps workout. Nice Manson though. Running rigging needs replacement probably, at least the genoa sheets. Boom vang is an upgrade, that's nice. Teak toerails need reconditioning. What is that in front of the stove? A 4' tall refrigerator? Gack. I would definitely check it out! With close attention to how the engine repowering was done. -Patrick CC LF 38 Seattle, WA On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: James Schwartz detroit...@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:25:52 -0400 Subject: Stus-List I need information on a LF38 for sale in Charleston, SC A friend of mine is pretty impressed with a 1981 LF38 for sale at Ashley Yachts in Charleston, SC and is close to making an offer on her. Jim is interested in a strong and comfortable boat for retirement cruising on the ICW starting this coming winter. He has sailed several times on my 38 mk2 and appreciates the build quality and performance, and the amenities in a LF38 are attractive to his Admiral. He has already seen the boat, and has asked me to go back with him to take a closer look at the mechanical systems before finalizing an offer. The name of the boat is “True Love”. The listing on Yacht World is: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/CC-Landfall-2842472/Mt-Pleasant/SC/United-States#.VX9bgMtRH3g Does anyone know anything about this boat or its history. I’m a bit curious about the new rudder. I also note that the tankage listed is different from the original spec sheet on an LF38. Do any of the LF owners on here see anything in the photographs on Yacht World that require further investigation, or anything that strikes you as especially desirable? Finally, if this gets to the offer stage, Jim will need to have the boat surveyed. Does anyone have a recommendation for a surveyor in the Charleston area, especially one with CC experience? A surveyor named David Hill was recommended to my friend; does anyone have experience with him or knowledge of his past performance? Thanks for the help and advice. Rick Brass *Imzadi *CC 38 mk 2 *la Belle Aurore *CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
