Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we
made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve
"cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just
lingering "shoulda woulda's".

One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster
rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on
extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a
couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster
had eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases
ever so slowly over a couple weeks.

One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa
car system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken
system or perhaps a Garhauer system.

Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar
regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have a LOT of dumb ideas to pick from!
Long ago when we had an alcohol stove and you had to open the cockpit locker to 
pump the tank pressure up, I got the bright idea to run a hose around into the 
cabin and connect a Freon can from an air horn to the hose. It worked great, 
you pulled the horn valve until you saw the pressure you wanted, it took about 
10 seconds to get 10 PSI. What I had not counted on was the Freon had some sort 
of chemical interaction with the alcohol, it made the flames burn green and the 
smell was awful. About 30 seconds of it was enough! Not alcohol awful, I mean 
awful to the point I think it would have killed you in an enclosed area awful 
if you were dumb enough to hang around.

A more expensive one:
The original A4, after thousands of miles of use, had finally got so bad it was 
pretty much unusable. Out it went and we found another one for sale on Long 
Island in “great condition”. We drove all the way up and found it not exactly 
“great”, sort of a mix between great and found at bottom of a river by divers 
looking for a dead body. Should have left it, but I really needed an engine and 
it was cheap. It actually worked OK for a while but soon developed all kinds of 
issues. That one eventually came out and the next one that really was great 
went in. That A4 was rebuilt by ship’s chief engineer as a hobby while his ship 
was in drydock.  I bought it within 8 hours of his ad going up.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we made 
that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve "cheaping 
it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just lingering 
"shoulda woulda's".

One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on extended 
vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a couple weeks 
absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had eased an inch 
or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever so slowly over a 
couple weeks.

One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken system 
or perhaps a Garhauer system.

Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar regrettable 
decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[sv Rebecca Leah via CnC-List]

Joe, When you burn Freon using propane, you produce Fozgene(sp) gas, which 
extremely deadly. Not sure if it the same with alcohol but would imagine it is. 
But at least you could see the flames. Lol. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah C&C 
LF39253-208-1412Port Orchard YC wa.
 Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 Date: 1/8/20  13:06  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Della Barba, Joe"  Subject: 
Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions 

I have a LOT of dumb ideas to pick from!
Long ago when we had an alcohol stove and you had to open the cockpit locker to 
pump the tank pressure up, I got the bright idea to run a hose around into the
 cabin and connect a Freon can from an air horn to the hose. It worked great, 
you pulled the horn valve until you saw the pressure you wanted, it took about 
10 seconds to get 10 PSI. What I had not counted on was the Freon had some sort 
of chemical interaction
 with the alcohol, it made the flames burn green and the smell was awful. About 
30 seconds of it was enough! Not alcohol awful, I mean awful to the point I 
think it would have killed you in an enclosed area awful if you were dumb 
enough to hang around.
 
A more expensive one:
The original A4, after thousands of miles of use, had finally got so bad it was 
pretty much unusable. Out it went and we found another one for sale on Long 
Island
 in “great condition”. We drove all the way up and found it not exactly 
“great”, sort of a mix between great and found at bottom of a river by divers 
looking for a dead body. Should have left it, but I really needed an engine and 
it was cheap. It actually worked
 OK for a while but soon developed all kinds of issues. That one eventually 
came out and the next one that really was great went in. That A4 was rebuilt by 
ship’s chief engineer as a hobby while his ship was in drydock.  I bought it 
within 8 hours of his ad
 going up.
 
 
Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com
 
 
 
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On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 3:36 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions
 

I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we made 
that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve "cheaping 
it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just lingering 
"shoulda
 woulda's".

 


One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on extended 
vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a couple weeks 
absence
 and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had eased an inch or so.  
It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever so slowly over a couple 
weeks.


 


One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken system 
or perhaps a Garhauer system.


 


Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar regrettable 
decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.


 


Dennis C.


Touche' 35-1 #83


Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of bilge 
pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time had to 
pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them in - ugh). 
 Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small rubber joker 
valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the antifreeze I pour into 
the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in my head starts back-flowing 
every spring.  I may have to replace those check valve jokers annually to avoid 
cycling bilge pumps again.

Cheers,
Randy
Grenadine 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we 
> made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve 
> "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just 
> lingering "shoulda woulda's".
> 
> One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
> rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on 
> extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a 
> couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had 
> eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever 
> so slowly over a couple weeks.
> 
> One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
> system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken 
> system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
> 
> Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar 
> regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

So it actually WOULD kill someone with that awful stench! Good thing we turned 
it off. I had no idea the Freon would dissolve into the alcohol.

Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: sv Rebecca Leah [mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

Joe,
When you burn Freon using propane, you produce Fozgene(sp) gas, which extremely 
deadly. Not sure if it the same with alcohol but would imagine it is. But at 
least you could see the flames. Lol.



Doug Mountjoy
Sv Rebecca Leah
C&C LF39
253-208-1412
Port Orchard YC wa.

 Original message 
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Date: 1/8/20 13:06 (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

I have a LOT of dumb ideas to pick from!
Long ago when we had an alcohol stove and you had to open the cockpit locker to 
pump the tank pressure up, I got the bright idea to run a hose around into the 
cabin and connect a Freon can from an air horn to the hose. It worked great, 
you pulled the horn valve until you saw the pressure you wanted, it took about 
10 seconds to get 10 PSI. What I had not counted on was the Freon had some sort 
of chemical interaction with the alcohol, it made the flames burn green and the 
smell was awful. About 30 seconds of it was enough! Not alcohol awful, I mean 
awful to the point I think it would have killed you in an enclosed area awful 
if you were dumb enough to hang around.

A more expensive one:
The original A4, after thousands of miles of use, had finally got so bad it was 
pretty much unusable. Out it went and we found another one for sale on Long 
Island in “great condition”. We drove all the way up and found it not exactly 
“great”, sort of a mix between great and found at bottom of a river by divers 
looking for a dead body. Should have left it, but I really needed an engine and 
it was cheap. It actually worked OK for a while but soon developed all kinds of 
issues. That one eventually came out and the next one that really was great 
went in. That A4 was rebuilt by ship’s chief engineer as a hobby while his ship 
was in drydock.  I bought it within 8 hours of his ad going up.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com<https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=773ff5f2-2ba9bd52-773fdc85-0cc47adca788-032c640b5cb26eaf&q=1&e=09b484e1-ed5e-477a-8390-88c107e94b7d&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dellabarba.com%2F>



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we made 
that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve "cheaping 
it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just lingering 
"shoulda woulda's".

One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on extended 
vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a couple weeks 
absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had eased an inch 
or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever so slowly over a 
couple weeks.

One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken system 
or perhaps a Garhauer system.

Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar regrettable 
decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I don't think a joker valve is the right valve for bilge waste, 
Fisheries has one I think is better, but I don't know from experience. Yet.

https://www.fisheriessupply.com/bosworth-company-cv-0400d-check-valves-barbed-ends


Bill Coleman
Erie PA

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Stafford via CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of bilge 
pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time had to 
pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them in - ugh). 
 Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small rubber joker 
valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the antifreeze I pour into 
the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in my head starts back-flowing 
every spring.  I may have to replace those check valve jokers annually to avoid 
cycling bilge pumps again.

Cheers,
Randy
Grenadine 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we 
> made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve 
> "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just 
> lingering "shoulda woulda's".
> 
> One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
> rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on 
> extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a 
> couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had 
> eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever 
> so slowly over a couple weeks.
> 
> One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
> system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken 
> system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
> 
> Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar 
> regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Here’s the product I installed: 
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C51%7C2234261%7C2234268&id=826034
 <https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|51|2234261|2234268&id=826034>, 
from Whale.   It’s listed under bilge pump check valves on Defender.  The 
housing contains a replaceable nitrile joker valve, for  better or worse.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't think a joker valve is the right valve for bilge waste, 
> Fisheries has one I think is better, but I don't know from experience. Yet.
> 
> https://www.fisheriessupply.com/bosworth-company-cv-0400d-check-valves-barbed-ends
> 
> 
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
> Stafford via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:36 PM
> To: cnc-list
> Cc: Randy Stafford
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions
> 
> Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of 
> bilge pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time 
> had to pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them 
> in - ugh).  Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small 
> rubber joker valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the 
> antifreeze I pour into the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in my 
> head starts back-flowing every spring.  I may have to replace those check 
> valve jokers annually to avoid cycling bilge pumps again.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> Grenadine 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we 
>> made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve 
>> "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just 
>> lingering "shoulda woulda's".
>> 
>> One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
>> rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on 
>> extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a 
>> couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had 
>> eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever 
>> so slowly over a couple weeks.
>> 
>> One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa 
>> car system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken 
>> system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
>> 
>> Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar 
>> regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I like the Garhauer adjustable lead genny cars that fit on my 43-year old track 
(thanks, Guido), but they do not adjust with the ease of a Harken system.  The 
cars – which unfortunately do not accept two lines (for re-running) – are 
robust and a great value under the circumstances; but if I were replacing the 
entire system and concerned ease of adjustability, I’d probably go with Harken.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 3:35 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we made 
that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve "cheaping 
it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just lingering 
"shoulda woulda's". 

One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on extended 
vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a couple weeks 
absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had eased an inch 
or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever so slowly over a 
couple weeks.

One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken system 
or perhaps a Garhauer system.

Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar regrettable 
decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Touche' has had one of the Bosworth flapper valves in the bilge discharge
for nearly 20 years.  No issues whatsoever.  A flapper valve is, in my
opinion, the best style for this application.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:09 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don't think a joker valve is the right valve for bilge waste,
> Fisheries has one I think is better, but I don't know from experience. Yet.
>
>
> https://www.fisheriessupply.com/bosworth-company-cv-0400d-check-valves-barbed-ends
>
>
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Stafford via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:36 PM
> To: cnc-list
> Cc: Randy Stafford
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions
>
> Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of
> bilge pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time
> had to pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them
> in - ugh).  Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small
> rubber joker valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the
> antifreeze I pour into the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in
> my head starts back-flowing every spring.  I may have to replace those
> check valve jokers annually to avoid cycling bilge pumps again.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
> Grenadine 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision
> we made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve
> "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just
> lingering "shoulda woulda's".
> >
> > One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay
> adjuster rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was
> on extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a
> couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster
> had eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases
> ever so slowly over a couple weeks.
> >
> > One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable
> genoa car system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a
> Harken system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
> >
> > Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar
> regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
> >
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Dave S via CnC-List]

- Raymarine instruments and autopilot.   Can’t update firmware without a
raymarine chart plotter.   They don’t tell you that in the docs, though
they promote (warn) that you should check for and apply firmware updates.

- Raymarine wheelpilot (esp vs linear drive). Been discussed here before.

- Ford Windstar.

Dave
33-2 windstar (boat name an ironic coincidence)
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Another one: Back in the 1980s before I knew what I know now about 
batteries and charging, I got tired of replacing the batteries and dead 
batteries, so I bought what the battery shop told me was the best they 
had. I paid big $$ for a Rolls 4D battery and hauled that heavy hunk 
of lead down to the boat. The stock 35 amp 13.8 volt alternator on the 
A4 had no chance at all of charging it correctly and the battery 
sulfated itself to death quickly :(


Joe

Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Dennis:

One last observation to your point.  I have found over the years that the 
odds of making a dumb boat-related decision is directly proportional to the 
amount of time I spend thinking about it ahead of time.  When I simply do my 
best to repair or replace old equipment with something comparable in more or 
less the same configuration as the original design, things usually work out 
fine.  When I get creative or innovative, things tend to not work out as I 
hoped.  As a result, I do not spend much energy these days trying to reinvent 
the wheel.

Matt
C&C 42 Custom
Erie, PA


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 3:35 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we made 
that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve "cheaping 
it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just lingering 
"shoulda woulda's". 

One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on extended 
vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a couple weeks 
absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had eased an inch 
or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever so slowly over a 
couple weeks.

One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken system 
or perhaps a Garhauer system.

Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar regrettable 
decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Randy, is your boat out of the water for winter storage?  If so, instead of
putting antifreeze in the bilge next year, try a good, powerful wet dry vac
on the bilge pump outlet(s).  Leave the vacuum on the outlet(s) for several
minutes, until no more water comes out.  That way you don't spoil your
check valves with anti freeze.

Ken H.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 17:36, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of
> bilge pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time
> had to pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them
> in - ugh).  Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small
> rubber joker valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the
> antifreeze I pour into the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in
> my head starts back-flowing every spring.  I may have to replace those
> check valve jokers annually to avoid cycling bilge pumps again.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
> Grenadine 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision
> we made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve
> "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just
> lingering "shoulda woulda's".
> >
> > One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay
> adjuster rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was
> on extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a
> couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster
> had eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases
> ever so slowly over a couple weeks.
> >
> > One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable
> genoa car system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a
> Harken system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
> >
> > Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar
> regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
> >
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Ken.  Yes, my boat is out of the water for winter storage.  In past 
winters I’ve still gotten a bit of water ingress, but maybe anti-freeze in the 
bilge is overkill.  I wanted to pump it through the bilge pumps and discharge 
hoses, but sucking water out with a shop vac could work too.  This year she’s 
shrink-wrapped for the first time since I’ve owned her, so that should help 
prevent ingress (from snowmelt).  In past years I’d remove snow from her but it 
wasn’t foolproof.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy, is your boat out of the water for winter storage?  If so, instead of 
> putting antifreeze in the bilge next year, try a good, powerful wet dry vac 
> on the bilge pump outlet(s).  Leave the vacuum on the outlet(s) for several 
> minutes, until no more water comes out.  That way you don't spoil your check 
> valves with anti freeze.
> 
> Ken H.
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 17:36, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of 
> bilge pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time 
> had to pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them 
> in - ugh).  Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small 
> rubber joker valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the 
> antifreeze I pour into the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in my 
> head starts back-flowing every spring.  I may have to replace those check 
> valve jokers annually to avoid cycling bilge pumps again.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> Grenadine 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we 
> > made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve 
> > "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just 
> > lingering "shoulda woulda's".
> > 
> > One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
> > rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on 
> > extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a 
> > couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster 
> > had eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases 
> > ever so slowly over a couple weeks.
> > 
> > One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa 
> > car system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken 
> > system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
> > 
> > Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar 
> > regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
> > 
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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