Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I've told this story before, Joe, but here goes.

 

I had a toggle on one of the D2 shrouds on my 38 break. My rigger said that
Navtech had a recall in the early 2000s on the toggles, and mine was
probably not replaced at that time.

 

Since I had a bit of a trust issue on rod rigging that was already 33 or 34
years old, I wanted to have it inspected. Maybe reheaded. Navtech indicated
that visual and dye inspections arerelatively worthless, and the proper way
to do it was to have the mast down, rigging coiled up and shipped to them,
and they would xray the heads and rehead or replace as required.

 

Cost for R the shrouds, shipping, and testing was about $3500 as far as I
can recall. Other work extra.

 

My rigger turned me on the Dyform wire. The wire is slightly bigger diameter
(a few thousandths), slightly heavier (under a hundred pounds but I can't
recall now - see my former posts), and actually stronger than #10 rod. Swage
on fittings are available to match the existing fittings on the mast and at
the ends of the spreaders. Rigger put Norseman fittings at the chainplate
end of the shrouds to simplify installation (make the wires a little long
and then cut to fit the turnbuckles at the chainplates. All told, the cost
for the complete rerig was 3 or 4 hundred dollars more than the cost for the
inspection alone.

 

Minuses: the shrouds are a bit larger so more wind resistance, and there is
a bit more weight aloft. Plusses, I have a high degree of confidence in a
rig that is now only 8 years old, and I am essentially a cruiser who does
occasional fun/charity races and probably am capable of screwing up a tack
and losing more time than I would ever gain with a rod rigging. I'm a happy
camper.

 

YMMV, and of course everything will cost twice as much if you do it in the
Annapolis area as opposed to eastern North Carolina.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 2:59 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List C 40 rigging

 

Ran into a snag:

The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to
pass their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could
not be inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an
idea on the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?

It doesn't have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I had a rigging surveyor for my rider.  Seperate surveyor by a bona fide rigger.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 4:10:36 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging


Not sure what you mean by sign off, Joe –

On my last survey, this is about all he said about the standing rigging –



The standing rigging is stainless steel rod and appears in good condition where 
observation is possible.

The turnbuckles as well as the chainplates that are integral to the deck all 
appear in good condition with

no signs of cracking or stress. The backstay is split and is constructed with 
Dyneema and is

reportedly being replaced, as it is original to the vessel, which is the 
recommended course of action.



The survey was included with the Insurance application, and they didn’t mention 
anything about it.

I would think that is the only higher authority you would need to please.





Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA





From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 11:59 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging



I am finding out absolutely no one is going to sign off 40 year old rod as 
passing inspection ☹ They also said some of the fittings used in that era are 
not even possible to inspect and use them again anyway.



Joe

Coquina
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Not sure what you mean by sign off, Joe – 

On my last survey, this is about all he said about the standing rigging – 

 

The standing rigging is stainless steel rod and appears in good condition where 
observation is possible.

The turnbuckles as well as the chainplates that are integral to the deck all 
appear in good condition with

no signs of cracking or stress. The backstay is split and is constructed with 
Dyneema and is

reportedly being replaced, as it is original to the vessel, which is the 
recommended course of action.

 

The survey was included with the Insurance application, and they didn’t mention 
anything about it.

I would think that is the only higher authority you would need to please.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 11:59 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

 

I am finding out absolutely no one is going to sign off 40 year old rod as 
passing inspection ☹ They also said some of the fittings used in that era are 
not even possible to inspect and use them again anyway.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am finding out absolutely no one is going to sign off 40 year old rod as 
passing inspection ☹ They also said some of the fittings used in that era are 
not even possible to inspect and use them again anyway.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

No way it was antimony.  That is an alloying metal. They use it in keels to
give it a little more strength than pure Lead. Most likely it was
stainless, and could have chewed up the threads in the turnbuckle barrel.
Stainless on stainless should be lubed with Tefgel, stainless with bronze
Tefgel is fine, (thaty what I use) but probably any water resistant Grease
works.


Bill Coleman

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 6:58 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would be interested to know if salt vs fresh water changes the life span
> of stainless rigging and I suspect it does. My rig looks and functions like
> new but it has always been in fresh water. Additionally, boats are out of
> the water 6 months a year in the north.
>
> I had a 1981 C 36KCB that was dismasted due to the threads on the
> backstay bolt failing. It’s the double ended bolt. Someone told me it was
> made of antimony but I have no way of confirming that. I should write
> something about the dismasting because it didn’t play out as expected or
> as described by others.
>
> As long as the fittings aren’t seized and the hardware looks good inspect
> it, do a dye test on the fittings and worry about something else.
>
> Having had an issue with the backstay bolt replace it if there is any
> question! Mine was worn more than I knew.
>
>
> Len Mitchell
>
> S/V Crazy Legs
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Midland On.
>
>
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[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Len- I would like to hear that story.  I did not think a backstay failure 
would lead to dismasting.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 25, 2021, at 6:57 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would be interested to know if salt vs fresh water changes the life span of 
> stainless rigging and I suspect it does. My rig looks and functions like new 
> but it has always been in fresh water. Additionally, boats are out of the 
> water 6 months a year in the north.
> 
> I had a 1981 C 36KCB that was dismasted due to the threads on the backstay 
> bolt failing. It’s the double ended bolt. Someone told me it was made of 
> antimony but I have no way of confirming that. I should write something about 
> the dismasting because it didn’t play out as expected or as described by 
> others. 
> 
> As long as the fittings aren’t seized and the hardware looks good inspect it, 
> do a dye test on the fittings and worry about something else. 
> 
> Having had an issue with the backstay bolt replace it if there is any 
> question! Mine was worn more than I knew. 
> 
> Len Mitchell
> S/V Crazy Legs
> 1989 C 37+
> Midland On. 
> 
> <0bc0447c-d4bb-4fde-b0fb-4466dce61e83.tiff>
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Defective Rigger for sure.

At 12:59 PM 3/25/2021, you wrote:
In my opinion, this is just a money making 
scheme.  Has anyone ever heard of a rig failure 
of rod rigging?  My boatyard hasn’t and they 
were C dealers a long time ago.


Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD
(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)

On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Andrew Burton via 
CnC-List  wrote:


I had mine inspected and some reheaded about 
five years ago on my 1981 40. We had to replace 
the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the 
fitting where it went around the spreader would 
have been in a different place. I think we 
replaced some turnbuckles, too. Just did 
something similar with my 1995 Baltic two years 
ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to 
replace all the rod. The area to really look at 
is the spreader tips and the fittings there.


Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Ran into a snag:

The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging 
from 1981 was NOT going to pass their survey 
just from age and some the fittings used back 
then could not be inspected, taking them apart 
is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an idea on 
the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?


It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA
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Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
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www.sv-alera.com


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[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Should the turnbuckle be greased or oiled

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 5:03 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> It may take some searching to find someone who will work on older rod
> rigging but they do exist. Here in the Boston area, North East Rigging out
> of Concord MA has this expertise. Call around and hopefully you can find
> someone in your area who can do the work. Does it save money in the end vs
> going with a newer dyneema solution - I am not sure and it will depend on
> what problems the rigger runs into as they go along?  Inspection is a
> challenge if the rig hasn't been taken apart in a while - last year on my
> 1981 C a lot of my fittings were seized and could not be inspected so
> that did require complete disassembly and reheading all of the rods.  One
> rod had to be replaced as did the turnbuckles and the fittings on the end
> of the spreader.  The spreaders ended up being a lot of work and parts
> because the threads stripped on a part and no replacement was available.
> Replacement parts then required machining the ends of the spreaders.  Also
> the aluminum through bolts in the mast all had to be replaced which
> required custom machining of the ends to accommodate replacement stainless
> steel threaded. Including a new wire forestay and harken furler it came to
> ~$12k for all the parts and labor including setting up and tuning the rig.
> The rod rigging does seem to last a long time so I am hopeful that this
> will be good to go for many years to come.
>
> Nathan
>
> ~~~
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34 CB
> Lynn MA
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-- 
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Monty Schumpert via CnC-List]

I am having the rod rigging on my 1991 34+ inspected and replaced as needed
by “The Rigging Company” in Annapolis.  They replaced the lifelines several
years ago and did a good job for a fair price. The mast is down and the
rigging is in their shop now — just got an updated invoice which increased
a little due to some parts which need replacing.

Monty Schumpert
Scandia
1991 C 34+

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 5:03 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> It may take some searching to find someone who will work on older rod
> rigging but they do exist. Here in the Boston area, North East Rigging out
> of Concord MA has this expertise. Call around and hopefully you can find
> someone in your area who can do the work. Does it save money in the end vs
> going with a newer dyneema solution - I am not sure and it will depend on
> what problems the rigger runs into as they go along?  Inspection is a
> challenge if the rig hasn't been taken apart in a while - last year on my
> 1981 C a lot of my fittings were seized and could not be inspected so
> that did require complete disassembly and reheading all of the rods.  One
> rod had to be replaced as did the turnbuckles and the fittings on the end
> of the spreader.  The spreaders ended up being a lot of work and parts
> because the threads stripped on a part and no replacement was available.
> Replacement parts then required machining the ends of the spreaders.  Also
> the aluminum through bolts in the mast all had to be replaced which
> required custom machining of the ends to accommodate replacement stainless
> steel threaded. Including a new wire forestay and harken furler it came to
> ~$12k for all the parts and labor including setting up and tuning the rig.
> The rod rigging does seem to last a long time so I am hopeful that this
> will be good to go for many years to come.
>
> Nathan
>
> ~~~
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34 CB
> Lynn MA
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Joe,

It may take some searching to find someone who will work on older rod
rigging but they do exist. Here in the Boston area, North East Rigging out
of Concord MA has this expertise. Call around and hopefully you can find
someone in your area who can do the work. Does it save money in the end vs
going with a newer dyneema solution - I am not sure and it will depend on
what problems the rigger runs into as they go along?  Inspection is a
challenge if the rig hasn't been taken apart in a while - last year on my
1981 C a lot of my fittings were seized and could not be inspected so
that did require complete disassembly and reheading all of the rods.  One
rod had to be replaced as did the turnbuckles and the fittings on the end
of the spreader.  The spreaders ended up being a lot of work and parts
because the threads stripped on a part and no replacement was available.
Replacement parts then required machining the ends of the spreaders.  Also
the aluminum through bolts in the mast all had to be replaced which
required custom machining of the ends to accommodate replacement stainless
steel threaded. Including a new wire forestay and harken furler it came to
~$12k for all the parts and labor including setting up and tuning the rig.
The rod rigging does seem to last a long time so I am hopeful that this
will be good to go for many years to come.

Nathan

~~~
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34 CB
Lynn MA
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Riley Anderson via CnC-List]

FWIW, our 1976 38-ii was partially rerigged in 2013. The previous owner
swapped all of the shrouds for Dyneema and new turnbuckles. The forestay
was replaced with wire before the PO bought it. Probably around the time
the harken furler was installed (my guess is 2003-2006). The backstay is
still rod and I believe it is original. The hydraulic tensioner just failed
last season and I replaced it with a Dyneema cascade using some of
Colligo's Dyneema fittings but the amount of force need to tension it was
insane. This year I'm just putting in a large turnbuckle and a stay
extender. We don't race so it might as well be static.

The Dyneema shrouds are still in excellent shape. They need tuning every
season but it isn't hard to do. Our stays are the heat-set Dyneema which is
pricey but I've always imagined one could build their entire rig from
oversized standard Dyneema and just pay more attention to tensioning it as
it stretches (strength is not the issue, elongation is the problem).
Defender always has cheap offcuts of 12-15mm Dyneema in lengths up to 60'
for dirt cheap (~$35). You have to go into the store to find these,
however, as they don't sell them online.

Best of luck,

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:13 PM Alan Liles via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When I refit my 37/40 the riggers wouldn’t touch it; too old. I replaced
> all the standing rigging and fittings. It was just shy of $20k Canadian.
>
> Cheers, Al
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2021, at 1:07 PM, David Risch via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> For the Marion Bermuda race 2009, 2011 and 2015 my original rigging on my
> 1981 40-2 (I think its original) had to be surveyed for the race rider.
> Passed each time.   But I doubt they would let go again.   Locally.  I have
> absolute confidence in the rig.  Out there the loads can be incredible and
> would plan on finally replacing it, or at least totally deconstructing and
> x-raying it with a rigging blessing.   Mostly the issues are in heads.
>
>
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:01 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging
>
>
>
> It is also an insurance issue.  Many times a rigging inspection is
> required.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:00 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, this is just a money making scheme.  Has anyone ever heard
> of a rig failure of rod rigging?  My boatyard hasn’t and they were C
> dealers a long time ago.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
>
> S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
>
> Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>
> Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>
> Annapolis, MD
>
> (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I had mine inspected and some reheaded about five years ago on my 1981
> 40. We had to replace the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the fitting
> where it went around the spreader would have been in a different place. I
> think we replaced some turnbuckles, too. Just did something similar with my
> 1995 Baltic two years ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to replace
> all the rod. The area to really look at is the spreader tips and the
> fittings there.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
>
> 26 Beacon Hill
>
> Newport, RI
>
> USA02840
>
>
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
> +401 965-5260
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Ran into a snag:
>
> The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to
> pass their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could
> not be inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an
> idea on the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?
>
> It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
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>
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Matthew via CnC-List]

A sistership of my 42 Custom had a rigging failure.  I can ask the owner what 
caused it if people have an interest.

 

From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:59 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

 

In my opinion, this is just a money making scheme.  Has anyone ever heard of a 
rig failure of rod rigging?  My boatyard hasn’t and they were C dealers a 
long time ago.

 

Bob

Bob Boyer

S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)

Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

Email: dainyr...@icloud.com <mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> 

Annapolis, MD 

(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)





On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I had mine inspected and some reheaded about five years ago on my 1981 40. We 
had to replace the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the fitting where it went 
around the spreader would have been in a different place. I think we replaced 
some turnbuckles, too. Just did something similar with my 1995 Baltic two years 
ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to replace all the rod. The area to 
really look at is the spreader tips and the fittings there.

 

Andy

Andrew Burton

26 Beacon Hill

Newport, RI 

USA02840

 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

+401 965-5260


On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ran into a snag:

The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to pass 
their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could not be 
inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an idea on the 
longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?

It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

When I refit my 37/40 the riggers wouldn’t touch it; too old. I replaced all 
the standing rigging and fittings. It was just shy of $20k Canadian. 

Cheers, Al


> On Mar 25, 2021, at 1:07 PM, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> For the Marion Bermuda race 2009, 2011 and 2015 my original rigging on my 
> 1981 40-2 (I think its original) had to be surveyed for the race rider.  
> Passed each time.   But I doubt they would let go again.   Locally.  I have 
> absolute confidence in the rig.  Out there the loads can be incredible and 
> would plan on finally replacing it, or at least totally deconstructing and 
> x-raying it with a rigging blessing.   Mostly the issues are in heads.
>  
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:01 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging
>  
> It is also an insurance issue.  Many times a rigging inspection is required.
>  
> Joel
>  
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:00 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> In my opinion, this is just a money making scheme.  Has anyone ever heard of 
> a rig failure of rod rigging?  My boatyard hasn’t and they were C dealers a 
> long time ago.
>  
> Bob
> 
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
> Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> Annapolis, MD 
> (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had mine inspected and some reheaded about five years ago on my 1981 40. 
> We had to replace the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the fitting where it 
> went around the spreader would have been in a different place. I think we 
> replaced some turnbuckles, too. Just did something similar with my 1995 
> Baltic two years ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to replace all the 
> rod. The area to really look at is the spreader tips and the fittings there.
>  
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
>  
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
> 
> On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ran into a snag:
> The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to pass 
> their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could not be 
> inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an idea on 
> the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?
> It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  
>  
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>  
> --
> Joel
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[David Risch via CnC-List]

For the Marion Bermuda race 2009, 2011 and 2015 my original rigging on my 1981 
40-2 (I think its original) had to be surveyed for the race rider.  Passed each 
time.   But I doubt they would let go again.   Locally.  I have absolute 
confidence in the rig.  Out there the loads can be incredible and would plan on 
finally replacing it, or at least totally deconstructing and x-raying it with a 
rigging blessing.   Mostly the issues are in heads.

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

It is also an insurance issue.  Many times a rigging inspection is required.

Joel

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:00 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
In my opinion, this is just a money making scheme.  Has anyone ever heard of a 
rig failure of rod rigging?  My boatyard hasn’t and they were C dealers a 
long time ago.

Bob
Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com>
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com>
Annapolis, MD
(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)


On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had mine inspected and some reheaded about five years ago on my 1981 40. We 
had to replace the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the fitting where it went 
around the spreader would have been in a different place. I think we replaced 
some turnbuckles, too. Just did something similar with my 1995 Baltic two years 
ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to replace all the rod. The area to 
really look at is the spreader tips and the fittings there.

Andy
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Ran into a snag:
The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to pass 
their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could not be 
inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an idea on the 
longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?
It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

It is also an insurance issue.  Many times a rigging inspection is required.

Joel

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:00 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In my opinion, this is just a money making scheme.  Has anyone ever heard
> of a rig failure of rod rigging?  My boatyard hasn’t and they were C
> dealers a long time ago.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
> Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> Annapolis, MD
> (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)
>
> On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I had mine inspected and some reheaded about five years ago on my 1981
> 40. We had to replace the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the fitting
> where it went around the spreader would have been in a different place. I
> think we replaced some turnbuckles, too. Just did something similar with my
> 1995 Baltic two years ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to replace
> all the rod. The area to really look at is the spreader tips and the
> fittings there.
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Ran into a snag:
>
> The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to
> pass their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could
> not be inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an
> idea on the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?
>
> It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
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> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
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> - Stu



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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

In my opinion, this is just a money making scheme.  Has anyone ever heard of a 
rig failure of rod rigging?  My boatyard hasn’t and they were C dealers a 
long time ago.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD 
(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)

> On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had mine inspected and some reheaded about five years ago on my 1981 40. 
> We had to replace the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the fitting where it 
> went around the spreader would have been in a different place. I think we 
> replaced some turnbuckles, too. Just did something similar with my 1995 
> Baltic two years ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to replace all the 
> rod. The area to really look at is the spreader tips and the fittings there.
> 
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ran into a snag:
>> The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to 
>> pass their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could 
>> not be inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an 
>> idea on the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?
>> It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?
>>  
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
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Stus-List Re: C 40 rigging

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I had mine inspected and some reheaded about five years ago on my 1981 40. We 
had to replace the D3/V2 because when it was reheaded the fitting where it went 
around the spreader would have been in a different place. I think we replaced 
some turnbuckles, too. Just did something similar with my 1995 Baltic two years 
ago. I am pretty sure you will not have to replace all the rod. The area to 
really look at is the spreader tips and the fittings there.

Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 25, 2021, at 14:59, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ran into a snag:
> The rigging shop I called told me rod rigging from 1981 was NOT going to pass 
> their survey just from age and some the fittings used back then could not be 
> inspected, taking them apart is a one-way trip. Does anyone have an idea on 
> the longevity of rod and the cost to replace it all?
> It doesn’t have to be rod again, does it? Dynaform wire or Dyneema maybe?
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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