Stus-List Re: Defender Annual Sale

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

You shouldn't have to reimburse them for shipping the wrong item.

Alan


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 2:25 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well, I did refuse delivery on the black Triton, good suggestion -  I hope
> it all washes out. I would expect I would have to reimburse Defender for
> the free shipping, which is ok.
> However, in the interim, I get this Sale email from Hamilton Marine today,
> (Thanks Don Kern) they blew Defender and everyone else's  price for the
> Pettit Triton out of the water. Of course the Blue is back-ordered, but I
> am a patient man. The sale ends tonite, BTW.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
>
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 8:20 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't accept delivery of the paint. It will be returned to them without
>> you having to pay. Leave a note for the delivery people, in case you're not
>> there when they come.
>>
>> Alan Bergen
>> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>> Rose City YC
>> Portland, OR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 4:45 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wisht  I had had the same good luck.
>>> I ordered two gallons, took about 45 minutes to get through the
>>> re-applying to the new website, some ridiculous requirements for the
>>> password, (it's a store, not a bank!) and after jumping back and forth
>>> through a couple tabs and hitting send, saw the color had gone back to the
>>> default of black instead of the blue I had selected.  I called them the
>>> next morning when they opened, and the *nice* lady told me it was too late
>>> - it didn't even have a label on it yet.
>>> I just sawr it has been shipped as black. So now I am going to have to
>>> pay around $150 to send it back, and have it resent.  Not a happy camper. I
>>> think the once loyal employees are quiet-quitting from the new hedge fund
>>> owners.  I have been buying from them since I was a kid in the sixties when
>>> they were selling mostly fiberglass and polyester. . So much for that.
>>>
>>> Bill Coleman
>>> Erie PA
>>>
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> Thanks for your help.
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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Well, I did refuse delivery on the black Triton, good suggestion -  I hope
it all washes out. I would expect I would have to reimburse Defender for
the free shipping, which is ok.
However, in the interim, I get this Sale email from Hamilton Marine today,
(Thanks Don Kern) they blew Defender and everyone else's  price for the
Pettit Triton out of the water. Of course the Blue is back-ordered, but I
am a patient man. The sale ends tonite, BTW.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 8:20 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Don't accept delivery of the paint. It will be returned to them without
> you having to pay. Leave a note for the delivery people, in case you're not
> there when they come.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 4:45 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Wisht  I had had the same good luck.
>> I ordered two gallons, took about 45 minutes to get through the
>> re-applying to the new website, some ridiculous requirements for the
>> password, (it's a store, not a bank!) and after jumping back and forth
>> through a couple tabs and hitting send, saw the color had gone back to the
>> default of black instead of the blue I had selected.  I called them the
>> next morning when they opened, and the *nice* lady told me it was too late
>> - it didn't even have a label on it yet.
>> I just sawr it has been shipped as black. So now I am going to have to
>> pay around $150 to send it back, and have it resent.  Not a happy camper. I
>> think the once loyal employees are quiet-quitting from the new hedge fund
>> owners.  I have been buying from them since I was a kid in the sixties when
>> they were selling mostly fiberglass and polyester. . So much for that.
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>> Erie PA
>>
>>
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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Don't accept delivery of the paint. It will be returned to them without you
having to pay. Leave a note for the delivery people, in case you're not
there when they come.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 4:45 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Wisht  I had had the same good luck.
> I ordered two gallons, took about 45 minutes to get through the
> re-applying to the new website, some ridiculous requirements for the
> password, (it's a store, not a bank!) and after jumping back and forth
> through a couple tabs and hitting send, saw the color had gone back to the
> default of black instead of the blue I had selected.  I called them the
> next morning when they opened, and the *nice* lady told me it was too late
> - it didn't even have a label on it yet.
> I just sawr it has been shipped as black. So now I am going to have to pay
> around $150 to send it back, and have it resent.  Not a happy camper. I
> think the once loyal employees are quiet-quitting from the new hedge fund
> owners.  I have been buying from them since I was a kid in the sixties when
> they were selling mostly fiberglass and polyester. . So much for that.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 4:30 PM Don Kern via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Same here - Ordered a gallon of bottom paint from Defender late yesterday
>> evening, it was delivered today by 3:00 pm.  Defender had the best price i
>> could find.
>>
>> Don Kern
>> *Fireball,* C Mk2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>> On 3/30/2023 3:00 PM, Mike Rose via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> FWIW..
>>
>> I ordered my bottom paint @ 9:30am today, paint was 15% off, my Defender
>> 1 discount was added, and over $99 free shipping.
>> I was notified @ 11:30 from UPS it had shipped.
>> The Website/checkout experience was nice, bummed that my past order
>> history was missing.
>>
>> Mike R
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:23 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, the Defender sale started today.  I see some good prices on bottom
>>> paint compared to other sites but not sure of the shipping charges.
>>>
>>> Chuck S
>>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
>>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>> Stu
>>
>>
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>> Thanks for your help.
>> Stu
>>
>>
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>> Thanks for your help.
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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Wisht  I had had the same good luck.
I ordered two gallons, took about 45 minutes to get through the re-applying
to the new website, some ridiculous requirements for the password, (it's a
store, not a bank!) and after jumping back and forth through a couple tabs
and hitting send, saw the color had gone back to the default of black
instead of the blue I had selected.  I called them the next morning when
they opened, and the *nice* lady told me it was too late - it didn't even
have a label on it yet.
I just sawr it has been shipped as black. So now I am going to have to pay
around $150 to send it back, and have it resent.  Not a happy camper. I
think the once loyal employees are quiet-quitting from the new hedge fund
owners.  I have been buying from them since I was a kid in the sixties when
they were selling mostly fiberglass and polyester. . So much for that.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 4:30 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Same here - Ordered a gallon of bottom paint from Defender late yesterday
> evening, it was delivered today by 3:00 pm.  Defender had the best price i
> could find.
>
> Don Kern
> *Fireball,* C Mk2
> Bristol, RI
>
> On 3/30/2023 3:00 PM, Mike Rose via CnC-List wrote:
>
> FWIW..
>
> I ordered my bottom paint @ 9:30am today, paint was 15% off, my Defender 1
> discount was added, and over $99 free shipping.
> I was notified @ 11:30 from UPS it had shipped.
> The Website/checkout experience was nice, bummed that my past order
> history was missing.
>
> Mike R
>
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:23 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> FWIW, the Defender sale started today.  I see some good prices on bottom
>> paint compared to other sites but not sure of the shipping charges.
>>
>> Chuck S
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Stu
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution 
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> Stu
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: Defender Annual Sale

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Same here - Ordered a gallon of bottom paint from Defender late 
yesterday evening, it was delivered today by 3:00 pm.  Defender had the 
best price i could find.


Don Kern
/Fireball,/ C Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 3/30/2023 3:00 PM, Mike Rose via CnC-List wrote:

FWIW..

I ordered my bottom paint @ 9:30am today, paint was 15% off, my 
Defender 1 discount was added, and over $99 free shipping.

I was notified @ 11:30 from UPS it had shipped.
The Website/checkout experience was nice, bummed that my past order 
history was missing.


Mike R

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:23 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
 wrote:


FWIW, the Defender sale started today.  I see some good prices on
bottom paint compared to other sites but not sure of the shipping
charges.

Chuck S
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site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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[John Conklin via CnC-List]

They were one of the few with the Ultima SR60 paint and best price 
And I think shipping was included 
last year also? 2 gal. > $99 for sure!  :) 

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon 
S/V Heartbeat

> On Mar 30, 2023, at 6:56 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow,  I worried Defender might drop the free shipping because bottom paint is 
> HazMat and ships ground only.  Good for you.
> 
> C
> 
>> On 03/30/2023 3:00 PM Mike Rose via CnC-List  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> FWIW..
>> 
>> I ordered my bottom paint @ 9:30am today, paint was 15% off, my Defender 1 
>> discount was added, and over $99 free shipping. 
>> I was notified @ 11:30 from UPS it had shipped.
>> The Website/checkout experience was nice, bummed that my past order history 
>> was missing.
>> 
>> Mike R
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:23 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>>  wrote: 
>> FWIW, the Defender sale started today.  I see some good prices on bottom 
>> paint compared to other sites but not sure of the shipping charges. 
>> 
>> Chuck S
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and 
>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at: 
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>> Thanks for your help. 
>> Stu
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and 
>> help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: 
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>> Thanks for your help. 
>> Stu
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Wow,  I worried Defender might drop the free shipping because bottom paint is 
HazMat and ships ground only.  Good for you.

C


> On 03/30/2023 3:00 PM Mike Rose via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> FWIW..
> 
> I ordered my bottom paint @ 9:30am today, paint was 15% off, my Defender 
> 1 discount was added, and over $99 free shipping. 
> I was notified @ 11:30 from UPS it had shipped.
> The Website/checkout experience was nice, bummed that my past order 
> history was missing.
> 
> Mike R
> 
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:23 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > FWIW, the Defender sale started today.  I see some good 
> prices on bottom paint compared to other sites but not sure of the shipping 
> charges.
> > 
> > Chuck S
> > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album 
> > site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> > Thanks for your help.
> > Stu
> > 
> > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album 
> > site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
> 
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[Mike Rose via CnC-List]

FWIW..

I ordered my bottom paint @ 9:30am today, paint was 15% off, my Defender 1
discount was added, and over $99 free shipping.
I was notified @ 11:30 from UPS it had shipped.
The Website/checkout experience was nice, bummed that my past order history
was missing.

Mike R

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:23 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> FWIW, the Defender sale started today.  I see some good prices on bottom
> paint compared to other sites but not sure of the shipping charges.
>
> Chuck S
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Yesterday I ordered some recharge cartridges for my PFDs yesterday.  The
sale price savings was almost equal to the marked-up shipping charges.
Last night I got a shipping confirmation.  At least they are still
efficient.
Joel

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:11 PM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I second the Fisheries Supply recommendation. I like their customer
> service and as a long term customer get a good discount. Years ago I become
> acquainted with the owners, the Sutter family as Fisheries and my
> manufacturing company shared a CPA. Carl Sutter is an accomplished sailor
> and a supporter of sailing programs.
>
> Back in the early 90’s I was doing foredeck duties on a Santa Cruz 50. One
> of the crew worked at Fisheries. On the first race of a 3 day regatta one
> of the primary winches failed. (It’s an exciting moment to see the winch
> handle rotating backwards under load.)
>
> The Fisheries guy called the store and arranged for a new winch to be run
> over to Shilshole Bay Marina. We got it installed fast enough to only miss
> 1 of 3 buoy races that day.
>
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C 43
> Seattle/Port Ludlow
>
> On Mar 27, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  I like Fisheries Supply and Hodges Marine as well.  Both have
> competitive prices.  Our club has a discount at Fisheries as well.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
>
>

-- 
Joel

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[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I second the Fisheries Supply recommendation. I like their customer service and 
as a long term customer get a good discount. Years ago I become acquainted with 
the owners, the Sutter family as Fisheries and my manufacturing company shared 
a CPA. Carl Sutter is an accomplished sailor and a supporter of sailing 
programs.

Back in the early 90’s I was doing foredeck duties on a Santa Cruz 50. One of 
the crew worked at Fisheries. On the first race of a 3 day regatta one of the 
primary winches failed. (It’s an exciting moment to see the winch handle 
rotating backwards under load.)

The Fisheries guy called the store and arranged for a new winch to be run over 
to Shilshole Bay Marina. We got it installed fast enough to only miss 1 of 3 
buoy races that day.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow

On Mar 27, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
wrote:

 I like Fisheries Supply and Hodges Marine as well.  Both have competitive 
prices.  Our club has a discount at Fisheries as well.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660

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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I like Fisheries Supply and Hodges Marine as well.  Both have competitive 
prices.  Our club has a discount at Fisheries as well.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Mar 27, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wholesale Marine out of Cincinnati has some good prices. I also printed 
> Harken items at West Marine and Larson Marine in Waukegan IL and Larson was 
> substantially cheaper across the board. Not what I was expecting but if you 
> are on the western shore of Lake Michigan, Larson is worth a look. 
> 
> Karl Erickson
> 1978 C 34
> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Doug via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> That blows. I liked defender. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Doug Mountjoy 
>> sv Rebecca Leah 
>> C & C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard Yacht Club 
>> Port Orchard, WA
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
>> Date: 3/27/22 08:21 (GMT-07:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Don Kern 
>> Subject: Stus-List Defender
>> 
>> Defender sale has started.  Not like it has been in the past.  Very little 
>> savings over their every day Defender pricing and the UPS shipping - ouch.  
>> Almost cheaper to go to local West Marine, who will be seeing more of my 
>> business
>> 
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball, C Mk2
>> Bristol, RI
>> 

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[Karl Erickson via CnC-List]

Wholesale Marine out of Cincinnati has some good prices. I also printed Harken 
items at West Marine and Larson Marine in Waukegan IL and Larson was 
substantially cheaper across the board. Not what I was expecting but if you are 
on the western shore of Lake Michigan, Larson is worth a look. 

Karl Erickson
1978 C 34

> On Mar 27, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Doug via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> That blows. I liked defender. 
> 
> 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy 
> sv Rebecca Leah 
> C & C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard Yacht Club 
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
> Date: 3/27/22 08:21 (GMT-07:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Don Kern 
> Subject: Stus-List Defender
> 
> Defender sale has started.  Not like it has been in the past.  Very little 
> savings over their every day Defender pricing and the UPS shipping - ouch.  
> Almost cheaper to go to local West Marine, who will be seeing more of my 
> business
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C Mk2
> Bristol, RI
> 

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[Doug via CnC-List]

That blows. I liked defender. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 
39Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA
 Original message From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/27/22  08:21  (GMT-07:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Don Kern  Subject: Stus-List 
Defender 
Defender sale has started.  Not like it has been in the past.  Very
little savings over their every day Defender pricing and the UPS
shipping - ouch.  Almost cheaper to go to local West Marine, who
will be seeing more of my business

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI

  

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[Doug via CnC-List]

That blows. I liked defender. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 
39Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA
 Original message From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/27/22  08:21  (GMT-07:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Don Kern  Subject: Stus-List 
Defender 
Defender sale has started.  Not like it has been in the past.  Very
little savings over their every day Defender pricing and the UPS
shipping - ouch.  Almost cheaper to go to local West Marine, who
will be seeing more of my business

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI

  

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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Don,

Thanks for the reminder.  I have a few hundred dollars of stuff in my Defender 
cart and I'll complete the purchase soon.  I agree, the discount doesn't seem 
to be as deep.  I had SS fittings selected that I can find cheaper on the 
interweb, so I will buy them that way.  I think the discount average is 5% to 
10% but the savings on big items was worth it.

West Marine:  I only buy there as a last resort.  They don't stock as well as 
in the past.  And the local store doesn't answer the phone.  I once was doing a 
project and needed a certain color paint, and the Glenn Burnie store had a 
recording answer the phone.  I drove the ten miles and found they were out what 
I needed.  There were two cashiers doing nothing but cleaning the counter and 
joking with each other, no customers in sight, so I called the store phone 
number and sure enough I got the same message, "Due to an unexpected high 
volume of customers, our assosiates are too busy to answer the phone.  Please 
try again later."  I put it on speaker for the cashiers to hear and told them 
they could have saved me a trip but their service stunk and walked out.  I've 
also found them closing and locking the store before their posted hours.  Very 
poor customer service this winter.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis

> On 03/27/2022 11:21 AM Don Kern via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Defender sale has started.  Not like it has been in the past.  Very 
> little savings over their every day Defender pricing and the UPS shipping - 
> ouch.  Almost cheaper to go to local West Marine, who will be seeing more of 
> my business
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C Mk2
> Bristol, RI
> 
> 

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[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Danny and listers,
This year’s Defender Spring sale is dramatically different than the pre 
pandemic in person sales. The retail store is limited to 40 customers at a time 
and the only manufacturer reps on hand are from the paint companies.  I’ve been 
a vendor to Defender for over 20 years and worked their sale every year.  But 
we were not asked to participate. The good deals are still there, but no 
different from what you will pay online.  Where once you had a close out room 
for heavily discounted clothing and shoes, you may find special deals now 
online.  New owners at Defender plus the uncertainty of holding a large in 
person event when planning for all circumstances forced them to prioritize the 
online aspect of their spring sale, which saw substantial growth even before 
the Covid shutdown.
Chuck Gilchrest 
1983 Landfall 35
Half Magic
Padanaram MA

Stus-List Re: Defender Sale

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I went there a few years ago.  I was looking to replace my 6 Hatches.  I was 
able to get a bigger discount directly from Lewmar because of the large order.  
So, going there could be beneficial from a negotiation standpoint.  It is 
always mobbed though.  I'm not sure if current events will have any impact on 
how they handle consumer traffic within the building.  I did enjoy myself 
whenever I've gone there.  It's kind of like a boat show without the boats 
(well, there is always the inflatables!)

-- Original Message --
From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
To: "'Stus-List'" 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net, nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Defender Sale
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:03:53 -0400


Thanks John.  Any sense on the level of discount, or is it by item? 
 
In past events it seemed a 10% off most everything, in store and online, other 
than the special sale items they had in different areas.  Bottom paint is the 
biggest ticket item on my list.
 
Thanks,
Brian
 
From: John McCrea via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 11:44 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Defender Sale
 
All,
 
For the local sale they do seem to have some decent discounts that should carry 
over the online sale next week.
 
My suggestion is, if you have an online account, put things in your basket now 
or at least know what the $$ is for your items before the sale and then see how 
much the pricing changes when the sale starts on the 27th. Good luck!
 
John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT

Stus-List Re: Defender Sale

[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

Thanks John.  Any sense on the level of discount, or is it by item?  

 

In past events it seemed a 10% off most everything, in store and online,
other than the special sale items they had in different areas.  Bottom paint
is the biggest ticket item on my list. 

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

From: John McCrea via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 11:44 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Defender Sale

 

All,

 

For the local sale they do seem to have some decent discounts that should
carry over the online sale next week.

 

My suggestion is, if you have an online account, put things in your basket
now or at least know what the $$ is for your items before the sale and then
see how much the pricing changes when the sale starts on the 27th. Good
luck!

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Don,
Not sure about the usual discounts, but I think they just changed the name of 
the sale to "Defender Spring Launch Sale".  John McCrea offered to report on 
the sale and whether the discounts are as good as before.  Might be worth 
waiting for his report.  I put a bunch of stuff in a wishlist just in case.

Chuck S

> On 03/12/2022 6:05 PM Don Kern via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well after 20 years of making the March pilgrimage to Waterford, it looks 
> like It won't be doing it any more.  Always seemed to come home with twice 
> what was on my buying list.
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C MK2
> Bristol, RI
> 
> 
> =
> Bon Voyage Warehouse Sale, Hello Spring Launch Sale!
> Yes, it is true, after 25 years we have said a fond farewell to our 
> beloved Annual Warehouse Sale.
> 
> Defender Spring Launch Sale
> Over 60,000 Products on Sale Throughout the Site!
> Online Spring Launch Sale
> Sunday, March 27, 2022 — Sunday, April 3, 2022
> All deals, specials and promotions will be available ONLINE
> No vendors, in-store specials, or giveaways will be going on in the store 
> during the Spring Launch Sale
> Outlet Store will be open to the public during regular store hours
> Max of 40 customers allowed at a time
> Please be prepared for lines and wait times
> Store Pick-Up available
> 
> On 3/4/2022 2:31 PM, John McCrea via CnC-List wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for 
> > a few months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals 
> > will have a pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts 
> > before the online sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the 
> > warehouse at a time so I suspect long lines. I have not seen any change in 
> > pricing yet and can hope that at least this year that they still have the 
> > good deals that we are used to. I will report back to the list in regards 
> > to what I am seeing for pricing.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > John McCrea
> > 
> > Talisman
> > 
> > 1979 36-1
> > 
> > Mystic, CT
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > > Custom laser engraved cutting boards are available at the C 
> > Photo Album site.
> 
Custom laser engraved cutting boards are available at the C Photo Album site.

Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Well after 20 years of making the March pilgrimage to Waterford, it 
looks like It won't be doing it any more.  Always seemed to come home 
with twice what was on my buying list.


Don Kern
/Fireball/, C MK2
Bristol, RI

=
Bon Voyage Warehouse Sale, Hello Spring Launch Sale!
Yes, it is true, after 25 years we have said a fond farewell to our 
beloved Annual Warehouse Sale.


Defender Spring Launch Sale
Over 60,000 Products on Sale Throughout the Site!
Online Spring Launch Sale
Sunday, March 27, 2022 — Sunday, April 3, 2022
All deals, specials and promotions will be available ONLINE
No vendors, in-store specials, or giveaways will be going on in the 
store during the Spring Launch Sale

Outlet Store will be open to the public during regular store hours
Max of 40 customers allowed at a time
Please be prepared for lines and wait times
Store Pick-Up available

On 3/4/2022 2:31 PM, John McCrea via CnC-List wrote:


I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for a 
few months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals 
will have a pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts 
before the online sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the 
warehouse at a time so I suspect long lines. I have not seen any 
change in pricing yet and can hope that at least this year that they 
still have the good deals that we are used to. I will report back to 
the list in regards to what I am seeing for pricing.


Regards,

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT


Custom laser engraved cutting boards are available at the C Photo Album site.

Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

I drove up from Baltimore about 10 years ago to buy a dingy. Made a ride trip 
out if it with my brother.

Dr. Brian C. Morrison

On Mar 5, 2022, at 12:46 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
wrote:


Remember to let us know when the sale begins.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 4:03 AM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

What is defender? I’m not familiar
Do you have a website

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 2:32 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for a few 
months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals will have a 
pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts before the online 
sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the warehouse at a time so I 
suspect long lines. I have not seen any change in pricing yet and can hope that 
at least this year that they still have the good deals that we are used to. I 
will report back to the list in regards to what I am seeing for pricing.

Regards,

John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 12:14 PM
To: cnc-list CNC boat owners 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Defender sale scheduled this month


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Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Remember to let us know when the sale begins.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 4:03 AM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> What is defender? I’m not familiar
> Do you have a website
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 2:32 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for a few
>> months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals will
>> have a pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts before the
>> online sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the warehouse at a
>> time so I suspect long lines. I have not seen any change in pricing yet and
>> can hope that at least this year that they still have the good deals that
>> we are used to. I will report back to the list in regards to what I am
>> seeing for pricing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> John McCrea
>>
>> Talisman
>>
>> 1979 36-1
>>
>> Mystic, CT
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2022 12:14 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list CNC boat owners 
>> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Defender sale scheduled this month
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Customized C Cutting Boards available at:
>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards
>> 
>
> --
> Joel Delamirande
> *www.jdroofing.ca
> *
>
> Customized C Cutting Boards available at:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!8raLR1ZpAZai-oEhXyhxsh8e6W1J46qnWkExdqczPAuxPbzv2KSE5BlxIqFGTwLyiFI$
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Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Thanks!

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
wrote:

> Hey Joel,
>
> defender.com
>
> The business is located in Connecticut so shipping to Canada may outweigh
> the discount benefit.
> It's a first class business that will calculate the shipping so you know
> before ordering.  Their customer service was very good to me in the past,
> but they have changed owners and we don't know the future.
>
> Chuck S
>
> On 03/05/2022 7:03 AM Joel Delamirande 
> wrote:
>
>
> What is defender? I’m not familiar
> Do you have a website
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 2:32 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for a few
> months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals will
> have a pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts before the
> online sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the warehouse at a
> time so I suspect long lines. I have not seen any change in pricing yet and
> can hope that at least this year that they still have the good deals that
> we are used to. I will report back to the list in regards to what I am
> seeing for pricing.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> Talisman
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2022 12:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list CNC boat owners 
> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Defender sale scheduled this month
>
>
>
>
> Customized C Cutting Boards available at:
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards
>
> --
> Joel Delamirande
> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>
> --
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
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Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Joel,

defender.com

The business is located in Connecticut so shipping to Canada may outweigh the 
discount benefit. 
It's a first class business that will calculate the shipping so you know before 
ordering.  Their customer service was very good to me in the past, but they 
have changed owners and we don't know the future.  

Chuck S

> On 03/05/2022 7:03 AM Joel Delamirande  wrote:
> 
> 
> What is defender? I’m not familiar 
> Do you have a website 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 2:32 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for 
> > a few months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals 
> > will have a pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts 
> > before the online sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the 
> > warehouse at a time so I suspect long lines. I have not seen any change in 
> > pricing yet and can hope that at least this year that they still have the 
> > good deals that we are used to. I will report back to the list in regards 
> > to what I am seeing for pricing.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > John McCrea
> > 
> > Talisman
> > 
> > 1979 36-1
> > 
> > Mystic, CT
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 12:14 PM
> > To: cnc-list CNC boat owners  > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> > Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER  > mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net >
> > Subject: Stus-List Defender sale scheduled this month
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Customized C Cutting Boards available at:
> > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards
> > 
> > > --
> Joel Delamirandehttp://www.jdroofing.ca
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List]

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Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

What is defender? I’m not familiar
Do you have a website

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 2:32 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for a few
> months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals will
> have a pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts before the
> online sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the warehouse at a
> time so I suspect long lines. I have not seen any change in pricing yet and
> can hope that at least this year that they still have the good deals that
> we are used to. I will report back to the list in regards to what I am
> seeing for pricing.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> Talisman
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2022 12:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list CNC boat owners 
> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Defender sale scheduled this month
>
>
>
>
> Customized C Cutting Boards available at:
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards

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Stus-List Re: Defender sale scheduled this month

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

I live locally to Defender and I have had my online basket full for a few
months waiting on the sale. One new thing this year is that locals will have
a pre sale event with vendors that will offer the discounts before the
online sale begins. It is the week prior. Only 40 in the warehouse at a time
so I suspect long lines. I have not seen any change in pricing yet and can
hope that at least this year that they still have the good deals that we are
used to. I will report back to the list in regards to what I am seeing for
pricing. 

 

Regards,

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 12:14 PM
To: cnc-list CNC boat owners 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Defender sale scheduled this month

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Defender, West, Sea Dog

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Could be good. FortNine has a good rep in the OHV world

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 6:42 PM Peter Fell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hmm ... I wonder if that will result in a Canadian Defender presence?
>
> On Fri., Feb. 18, 2022, 12:03 p.m. Bill Coleman via CnC-List, <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> All sold! I hate to see these things going to hedge funds and private
>> equity. It’s not the same as dealing with their founders.
>>
>>
>>
>> *FortNine Acquires Defender Industries*
>>
>>- Gary Reich 
>>- 1 hour ago
>>
>> [image: 1_DEFENDER]
>>
>> Canadian powersports company FortNine, which sells equipment through an
>> e-commerce platform, yesterday announced that it acquired Defender
>> Industries in partnership with private equity firm Novacap.
>>
>> “FortNine and Defender share a passion for serving sports enthusiasts. We
>> both have a very loyal customer base who trust our knowledge and experience
>> to outfit them with the equipment they need,” FortNine founder and
>> president Amin Sawaf *said in a statement
>> *.
>> “It is truly a privilege to acquire a company with such a stellar
>> reputation, and we look forward to bringing our unique go-to-market
>> expertise to the marine industry.”
>>
>> Added Defender president Stephan Lance: “The Lance family has been
>> honored to serve our customers since 1938, and in FortNine, we believe that
>> we have found the perfect match in our shared values. We are a marine
>> outfitter staffed by passionate boaters that enable us to deliver on our
>> mission of great customer service. We are proud to unite with FortNine's
>> team of enthusiasts to drive Defender into its next stage of expansion.”
>>
>>
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com   cnc-list
>
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com   cnc-list

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Stus-List Re: Defender, West, Sea Dog

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 That would be great, I've ordered several motorcycle parts from themalong the 
years and always a good experience..

On Friday, February 18, 2022, 05:42:21 PM EST, Peter Fell via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hmm ... I wonder if that will result in a Canadian Defender presence?
On Fri., Feb. 18, 2022, 12:03 p.m. Bill Coleman via CnC-List, 
 wrote:



All sold! Ihate to see these things going to hedge funds and private equity. 
It’snot the same as dealing with their founders.

 

FortNine Acquires Defender Industries
   
   - Gary Reich
   - 1 hour ago



Canadianpowersports company FortNine, which sells equipment through an 
e-commerceplatform, yesterday announced that it acquired Defender Industries 
inpartnership with private equity firm Novacap.

“FortNineand Defender share a passion for serving sports enthusiasts. We both 
have avery loyal customer base who trust our knowledge and experience to outfit 
themwith the equipment they need,” FortNine founder and president Amin Sawaf 
said in a statement. “It is truly a privilege toacquire a company with such a 
stellar reputation, and we look forward tobringing our unique go-to-market 
expertise to the marine industry.”

AddedDefender president Stephan Lance: “The Lance family has been honored 
toserve our customers since 1938, and in FortNine, we believe that we have 
foundthe perfect match in our shared values. We are a marine outfitter staffed 
bypassionate boaters that enable us to deliver on our mission of great 
customerservice. We are proud to unite with FortNine's team of enthusiasts to 
driveDefender into its next stage of expansion.”

 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com   cnc-list

cnc-list@cnc-list.com   cnc-list  cnc-list@cnc-list.com   cnc-list

Stus-List Re: Defender, West, Sea Dog

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Hmm ... I wonder if that will result in a Canadian Defender presence?

On Fri., Feb. 18, 2022, 12:03 p.m. Bill Coleman via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> All sold! I hate to see these things going to hedge funds and private
> equity. It’s not the same as dealing with their founders.
>
>
>
> *FortNine Acquires Defender Industries*
>
>- Gary Reich 
>- 1 hour ago
>
> [image: 1_DEFENDER]
>
> Canadian powersports company FortNine, which sells equipment through an
> e-commerce platform, yesterday announced that it acquired Defender
> Industries in partnership with private equity firm Novacap.
>
> “FortNine and Defender share a passion for serving sports enthusiasts. We
> both have a very loyal customer base who trust our knowledge and experience
> to outfit them with the equipment they need,” FortNine founder and
> president Amin Sawaf *said in a statement
> *.
> “It is truly a privilege to acquire a company with such a stellar
> reputation, and we look forward to bringing our unique go-to-market
> expertise to the marine industry.”
>
> Added Defender president Stephan Lance: “The Lance family has been honored
> to serve our customers since 1938, and in FortNine, we believe that we have
> found the perfect match in our shared values. We are a marine outfitter
> staffed by passionate boaters that enable us to deliver on our mission of
> great customer service. We are proud to unite with FortNine's team of
> enthusiasts to drive Defender into its next stage of expansion.”
>
>
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com   cnc-list
cnc-list@cnc-list.com   cnc-list