Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Jack, Michael, My first suspect is the mast step - which I agree is a much bigger issue than the holes in the mast. Thanks, Tim On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Why is the mast moving enough to elongate the holes in your mast? Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald HONEY CC 39 TM On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Lee via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Tim, I have a 1987 35-3 thruhull#231 and my hooks have 2 3/8ths bolts thru the hooks and mast, and there are no sleeves inside the mast. I presume some earlier boats were made with single bolts and that was not enough.The nuts are only snugged up so as to prevent any motion. So get out your long 3/8ths bit and go to it!!! Good luck. Lee -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 3:44 pm Subject: Stus-List Rigging Question There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Why is the mast moving enough to elongate the holes in your mast? Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald HONEY CC 39 TM On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Lee via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Tim, I have a 1987 35-3 thruhull#231 and my hooks have 2 3/8ths bolts thru the hooks and mast, and there are no sleeves inside the mast. I presume some earlier boats were made with single bolts and that was not enough.The nuts are only snugged up so as to prevent any motion. So get out your long 3/8ths bit and go to it!!! Good luck. Lee -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 3:44 pm Subject: Stus-List Rigging Question There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
The force of a couple of halyards should not be enough to elongate holes in the mast. When I replaced the mast step in Windburn I doubted I would get the height exactly the same so I made up adjustable mast collar hold down clamps. I can see the deck rises a bit when the shrouds and backstay are tightened, so as a starting point I make the clamps snug with the standing rigging tight and a 50% on backstay. I am using the clamps to only take the flex out for the halyards, not to try to overcome the set caused by the standing rigging. The theory is that wind gust will transfer force into the halyards, cause the deck to rise which in turn simulates easing the halyard. Exactly what you do not want in a gust. If the clamps are tight before the standing rigging is tensioned, and if there is a slight bit of softness in the mast step I could see where a lot of force is going to be transferred into the clamps. I don't think that was their original design intent. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 09:39:39 -0500 From: Jack Fitzgerald j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com To: Lee lchris11...@aol.com, CCList cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging Question Message-ID: cajze_ajztydvs2fyjkpg+au6ak0euscaytryn61ynxx9wlv...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Why is the mast moving enough to elongate the holes in your mast? Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald HONEY CC 39 TM ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
As I understand, this system is to keep the collar (and deck) from rising due to the upward force of the halyard blocks which are attached to the collar. Without them the collar is free to slide up the mast. Is there a way to pass a bolt(s) through the collar and mast to keep the collar from rising? I seem to recall seeing that on a boat or two. Or perhaps a bolt or bolts into the mast immediately above the collar? Another option is to move the blocks to the mast from the collar. Touche's halyard turning blocks are all fastened to the mast. Neither the collar nor the deck carry any load. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Tim, I have a 1987 35-3 thruhull#231 and my hooks have 2 3/8ths bolts thru the hooks and mast, and there are no sleeves inside the mast. I presume some earlier boats were made with single bolts and that was not enough.The nuts are only snugged up so as to prevent any motion. So get out your long 3/8ths bit and go to it!!! Good luck. Lee -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 3:44 pm Subject: Stus-List Rigging Question There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Tim; Having the mast down twice over the last 12 years, and seeing how CC did the installation on my 38, it is hard to visualize how the holes in the mast would get elongated. On my 38 the cross bolt through the mast is actually a long 3/8 diameter cap screw or shoulder bolt, so there are no threads in contact with the mast extrusion. And the assembly is torqued down REALLY tight, so there seems no likelihood of motion between the bolt and the mast. My suggestion to your problem would be the following: Get a suitable shoulder bolt or cap screw to replace the bolt you have currently. Make a sleeve or bushing to go over the new cross bolt. ID of the sleeve should match the OD of the body of the bolt – i.e. 3/8 OD of bolt and 3/8 ID of bushing. Mark the mast with horizontal centerline of the holes in the hooks where they contact the mast, and carefully mark the vertical centerline of the original holes in the mast. Use this cross as the center point of the enlarged hole you will make in your mast with your handy dandy Dremel tool. The ID of this enlarged hole should match the OD of your bushing stock. The tighter the fit the better. Insert the bushing through the mast and, again using the handy dandy Dremel, match the length and curvature of the bushing so it matches the outside surface of the mast on each side. You might want to permanently mount the bushing into the mast with MarineTex or JB Weld. Reinstall the hooks and torque the cross bolt TIGHTLY, using a NyLok nut to keep it from loosening. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 3:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Rigging Question There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rigging Question
There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Tim, You could always drill the holes for a larger bolt. Doug Allardyce Bullet 1985 CC 35 MK III Detroit _/)~~~_/) -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 3:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Rigging Question There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Tim, Have not seen your set up, but in a similar situation, the mainsheet bail on my boom was creating larger holes and the rigger attached reinforcing plates to the boom to take the load from the bail bolt. The plates are diamond shaped and are attached to the boom with short screws / bolts tapped into the aluminum of the boom. They look like the last plates pictured in this section, though obviously you would need to match +/- the curve of your mast: http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Boom_bails.html#Reinforcing_Plates_for_Standard_Boom_Bails The work was done by Chuck at Sound Rigging in Essex. Brian From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 3:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Rigging Question There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Brian, This sounds like the plan as the holes are pretty chewed up (there were bolt threads in contact with the mast wall unlike Rick's setup). I like Rick's option too, so maybe a belt and braces approach. I will need to check the clearance at the partners with the wedges removed to ensure any addition to the sides of the mast won't cause issues during removal / stepping. Your link to reinforcement plates led me to flange bushings http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Tangs-complete/Flange_bushings.htm Thanks! Tim On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Nauset Beach nausetbe...@optonline.net wrote: Tim, Have not seen your set up, but in a similar situation, the mainsheet bail on my boom was creating larger holes and the rigger attached reinforcing plates to the boom to take the load from the bail bolt. The plates are diamond shaped and are attached to the boom with short screws / bolts tapped into the aluminum of the boom. They look like the last plates pictured in this section, though obviously you would need to match +/- the curve of your mast: http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Boom_bails.html#Reinforcing_Plates_for_Standard_Boom_Bails The work was done by Chuck at Sound Rigging in Essex. Brian ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Question
Tim, This sounds like a very peculiar problem. I have had no issues with my hooks moving. One solution might be to weld some aluminum washers over the elongated holes to provide more area to support the load. A Gucci solution would be to have some nice stainless steel tie rods that connected the mast collar to the keel step. Now that would look cool! Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 3:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Rigging Question There was mention recently of 'hooks that insert into the mast collar then bolt to the mast to hold the deck down when running rigging is under tension. On my 35-3, the bolt through the mast has started to tear at the mast column and elongate the holes. I could change the length of the hooks and create another hole somewhere else on the mast. In that case, has anyone used a sleeve to stop the relatively small bolt sawing at the mast tube? Does anyone have any other solutions out there (e.g. wire to the mast step each side)? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
