Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

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Marek,  Properly made a soft shackle will only get tighter by flogging.  
Honestly, I have used for several years and no issues, yet easy to remove and 
do not hang up on baby stay. Certainly will not let go even easier than bowline 
in my experience.  Everyone does what they like and thats ok.Bill Walker
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I like the idea, but if, as someone said, a bowline could be shaken off, this 
soft shackle could even easier. I use the luggage tag knot and it works well. I 
managed to untie it without major effort (though, using an awl), when I 
replaced my jib a couple of seasons ago. MarekC270, “Legato”Ottawa, ON From: 
Jim Reinardy via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 22:09To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Reinardy Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle My 
biggest issue with the luggage tag knot is the difficulty of getting them off. 
I ran across this technique which intrigues me. 
http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/softshacklehowto.htm#step1 Also 
thinking about the soft shackles as well. Either way, I really hate running 
forward to clear a bowline off the shrouds during a tack, something will get 
done this spring. Thanks, Jim ReinardyC 30-2 “Firewater”Milwaukee, WI  ___

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Stus-List Soft shackle

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I guess it depends on the kind of lines you're using on the sheets, their 
diameter,  and perhaps how fresh they are.. I started doing the luggage 
tag when I bought new sheets last year.  They are nothing exotic, 1/2" New 
England Ropes Sta Set.  So far it's really easy to undo no matter how much 
tension they had to endure. What you're showing below looks interesting 
but also looks "snaggy" with 3 loops itchin' to catch the spin pole 
traveler.. 

As for switching sails during racing, when we get there I'll use another 
sheet on the second sail.  The 2 sails use different sets of blocks anyway 
so with the 2nd sheet "Pre-Fed" on the appropriate blocks it's ready to 
roll immediately. 

To each his own, have fun.. 


Regards


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

 



My biggest issue with the luggage tag knot is the difficulty of getting 
them off.  I ran across this technique which intrigues me.

 

http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/softshacklehowto.htm#step1

 

Also thinking about the soft shackles as well.  Either way, I really hate 
running forward to clear a bowline off the shrouds during a tack, 
something will get done this spring.



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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

I have had reasonable success preventing the jib sheets snagging on the baby 
stay by running the baby stay through a piece of 1-1/8” ID PVC tubing about 4’ 
long.  The cap from a Davis Instruments PVC Turnbuckle Boot (about $6.00) was 
used at the top.  I happened to have the tubing, but if I did it again, a 
longer tube would be better.

 

Thanks,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

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I am interested in this discussion as I find the sheets routinely hang up on 
the baby stay no matter what I have tried.  I am tempted to detach the baby 
stay next season when the winds are lighter.  I went from two bowlines to two 
soft shackles and that was a bit better.  Last season I passed bitter end 
through the cringle and then through the spliced loop.  That is cleaner than 
the soft shackle but makes sail changes more complex.  Since I don’t change 
sails very often, that was not a big problem.  Any other thoughts on preventing 
hanging up appreciated.  Dave

 

Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

And, in addition, tie an inside bowline so the tail is inside of the loop. If I 
happen to make the tail too long, I then put it into the clew ring so it is not 
loose.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

 

The bowlines should be tied in opposite directions so the flat side is facing 
in against the shroud and doesn't get hung.  In other words the port side 
bowline should have the flat side facing the starboard side and vice versa.   
This reduces the chance of hanging up on a shroud.   Jerry. 

C 27 V J  

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Ron,

I've never heard of that happening. The only way mine are coming off is with a 
knife. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Feb 18, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
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Every once in a great while a bowline will untie with enough flailing about.  
With the pressure off during a tack and a little flapping, it would sure seem 
this could let loose easily.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

My biggest issue with the luggage tag knot is the difficulty of getting them 
off.  I ran across this technique which intrigues me.
 
http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/softshacklehowto.htm#step1
 
Also thinking about the soft shackles as well.  Either way, I really hate 
running forward to clear a bowline off the shrouds during a tack, something 
will get done this spring.
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Every once in a great while a bowline will untie with enough flailing about.  
With the pressure off during a tack and a little flapping, it would sure seem 
this could let loose easily.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


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{}#yiv5923166998 My biggest issue with the luggage tag knot is the difficulty 
of getting them off.  I ran across this technique which intrigues me.  
http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/softshacklehowto.htm#step1  Also 
thinking about the soft shackles as well.  Either way, I really hate running 
forward to clear a bowline off the shrouds during a tack, something will get 
done this spring.  Thanks,  Jim ReinardyC 30-2 “Firewater”Milwaukee, WI   
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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I put some of that white vinyl over my baby stay to get it to pass over.Bill Coleman  Original message From: David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 2/17/2016  8:43 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle I am interested in this discussion as I find the sheets routinely hang up on the baby stay no matter what I have tried.  I am tempted to detach the baby stay next season when the winds are lighter.  I went from two bowlines to two soft shackles and that was a bit better.  Last season I passed bitter end through the cringle and then through the spliced loop.  That is cleaner than the soft shackle but makes sail changes more complex.  Since I don’t change sails very often, that was not a big problem.  Any other thoughts on preventing hanging up appreciated.  Dave
Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT


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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

The bowlines should be tied in opposite directions so the flat side is facing 
in against the shroud and doesn't get hung.  In other words the port side 
bowline should have the flat side facing the starboard side and vice versa.   
This reduces the chance of hanging up on a shroud.   Jerry. 
C 27 V J  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> My biggest issue with the luggage tag knot is the difficulty of getting them 
> off.  I ran across this technique which intrigues me.
>  
> http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/softshacklehowto.htm#step1
>  
> Also thinking about the soft shackles as well.  Either way, I really hate 
> running forward to clear a bowline off the shrouds during a tack, something 
> will get done this spring.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
> Milwaukee, WI
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Russo 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:58 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: John Russo <johnrussob...@optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle
>  
> Thanks for the responses on soft shackles, Sail Magazine has a short article 
> on the various soft shackles on the market and their benefits and increasing 
> popularity due to the new high strength available line. Thanks for some 
> confirmation on their use for attaching the heads sails. This will be the 
> next upgrade for Arpeggio.
>  
> John
> Arpeggio C 32
> Norwalk CT  
>  
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle
>  
> I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually 
> zips through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the 
> forward lower shrouds.
>  
> I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft shackles. Be
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:05 AM, John Russo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so 
> what brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.
>  
> John
> Arpeggio
> 1984 C 32
> NorwalkCT
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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

My biggest issue with the luggage tag knot is the difficulty of getting them 
off.  I ran across this technique which intrigues me.

 

http://sailing.about.com/od/equipmentgear/ss/softshacklehowto.htm#step1

 

Also thinking about the soft shackles as well.  Either way, I really hate 
running forward to clear a bowline off the shrouds during a tack, something 
will get done this spring.

 

Thanks,

 

Jim Reinardy

C 30-2 “Firewater”

Milwaukee, WI 

 

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Thanks for the responses on soft shackles, Sail Magazine has a short article on 
the various soft shackles on the market and their benefits and increasing 
popularity due to the new high strength available line. Thanks for some 
confirmation on their use for attaching the heads sails. This will be the next 
upgrade for Arpeggio.

 

John

Arpeggio C 32

Norwalk CT  

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

 

I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually zips 
through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the forward 
lower shrouds.

 

I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft shackles. Be

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:05 AM, John Russo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so what 
brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.

 

John

Arpeggio

1984 C 32

NorwalkCT

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[John Russo via CnC-List]

Thanks for the responses on soft shackles, Sail Magazine has a short article on 
the various soft shackles on the market and their benefits and increasing 
popularity due to the new high strength available line. Thanks for some 
confirmation on their use for attaching the heads sails. This will be the next 
upgrade for Arpeggio.

 

John

Arpeggio C 32

Norwalk CT  

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

 

I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually zips 
through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the forward 
lower shrouds.

 

I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft shackles. Be

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:05 AM, John Russo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so what 
brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.

 

John

Arpeggio

1984 C 32

NorwalkCT

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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[David Donnelly via CnC-List]

When I got Mistress 4 years ago it was my first sail boat, and when I stood the 
mast and rigged the boat for the first time, it was a lot of firsts all at once 
for me. 

 

Having taken lessons before I bought a boat I was expecting 2 separate jib 
sheets, to be tied with bowlines, but found only one sheet while rigging up. 
Not knowing any better I attached it exactly like this method. 

 

It is a bit tough to get loose at the end of the season, but I have never had 
it catch anything and will continue to use it as I don’t race and rarely if 
ever change the sail.

 

David

Mistress

1977 C 26

Wabamun Lake, Alberta

 

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If you don't race and/or change headsails, I'm a big fan of the single line 
method. 

 

Never gets hung up on anything. 

 

http://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/cruising-tips/no-foul-jib-sheet/ 

 

Switched to this style three years ago and haven't regretted it once. 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Interesting.  But I wouldn't use it as shown.  I'd put the eye on the sheet
over the T, port sheet first then starboard sheet.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> Here is an interesting option I have not seen before- T-ring sewn into the
> clew.  It is hard to imagine this hanging up on anything.
>
> http://www.tclewring.com/tclewring_gallery.htm
>
> Dave
>
>
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> New London, CT
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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

If you don't race and/or change headsails, I'm a big fan of the single line 
method. 

Never gets hung up on anything. 

http://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/cruising-tips/no-foul-jib-sheet/ 

Switched to this style three years ago and haven't regretted it once. 


All the best,

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On Feb 17, 2016, at 8:43 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

I am interested in this discussion as I find the sheets routinely hang up on 
the baby stay no matter what I have tried.  I am tempted to detach the baby 
stay next season when the winds are lighter.  I went from two bowlines to two 
soft shackles and that was a bit better.  Last season I passed bitter end 
through the cringle and then through the spliced loop.  That is cleaner than 
the soft shackle but makes sail changes more complex.  Since I don’t change 
sails very often, that was not a big problem.  Any other thoughts on preventing 
hanging up appreciated.  Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

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Here is an interesting option I have not seen before- T-ring sewn into the 
clew.  It is hard to imagine this hanging up on anything.  

http://www.tclewring.com/tclewring_gallery.htm

Dave


Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

If your spreaders are in-line (not angled aft), its use is primarily to keep 
the non-telephone pole mast from pumping in serious seas or chop. Disconnect it 
unless there is usually lots of chop where you race.


My 1995 C 36 XL/ckb had an adjustable baby stay with in-line spreaders and my 
former sailmaker recommended I remove it for my use in local waters (NC 
sounds). 


I have been keeping it on board but I have now removed the track for it so its 
going in the shed!  My 155% jenny likes it better that way!




Charlies Nelson
1995 C XL/kcb
Greenville , NC


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I am interested in this discussion as I find the sheets routinely hang up on 
the baby stay no matter what I have tried.  I am tempted to detach the baby 
stay next season when the winds are lighter.  I went from two bowlines to two 
soft shackles and that was a bit better.  Last season I passed bitter end 
through the cringle and then through the spliced loop.  That is cleaner than 
the soft shackle but makes sail changes more complex.  Since I don’t change 
sails very often, that was not a big problem.  Any other thoughts on preventing 
hanging up appreciated.  Dave



Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT





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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Richard,

The soft shackles are much smaller than a bowline knot.  They are also made
of Dyneema which is pretty slippery.  I'll send you some pics off list.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <
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> Dennis; could you please explain for me how a soft shackle doesn't get
> hung up whereas a knot  or other arrangement does? I have looked at these
> (but have not used one), and have read all the articles about them in the
> mags... and I am having conceptual  difficulty with the fact that the soft
> shackles have knots on them and could hang up just as much as a well tied
> jib sheet...or, what am I missing? many thanks!
>
> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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>
> I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually
> zips through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the
> forward lower shrouds.
>
> I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft
> shackles. Be
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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Agree with Bill.  Guess it's the racer in me.  I want separate sheets so I
can change sails on the fly.  Don't want to go bald or have a set of sheets
for each headsail.  Soft shackles are the way to go.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> Francis,
>
>  I will give you that is  simple, but with two sheets each attached by
> soft shackle you can remove lazy sheet and attach to a different sail prior
> to hoist if need be.
>
> Bill Walker
>
>
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> -- Original message--
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> *From: *Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
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> *Date: *Wed, Feb 17, 2016 4:06 PM
>
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com;
>
> *Cc: *Jean-Francois J Rivard;
>
> *Subject:*Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle
>
>
> If you're looking for the simplest / lightest/ most snagfree (And coolest
> in my book) way to attach your jib sheetsto your jib forget about the soft
> shackle /  2 lines jib sheet withbig bowline knots or splices to snag the
> spinnaker pole car  / track/ etc on its way across on a tack.
>
> My rigger just showed me this trick:
>
> 1) You just have one continuous linewith a whip in the middle
> 2) You make a loop at the whip and passit through the eye on the sail's
> clew
> 3) You put both ends of the line throughthe loop on the backside... Done.
>
> Most of should know this knot: It'scalled a luggage tag knot.
>
> That my friends is the simplest / sleekestway to go.  You combine that
> with a timed late release of the lazysheet, It doesn't snag anymore, even
> with the 150 in way too much wind:-)
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I am interested in this discussion as I find the sheets routinely hang up on 
the baby stay no matter what I have tried.  I am tempted to detach the baby 
stay next season when the winds are lighter.  I went from two bowlines to two 
soft shackles and that was a bit better.  Last season I passed bitter end 
through the cringle and then through the spliced loop.  That is cleaner than 
the soft shackle but makes sail changes more complex.  Since I don’t change 
sails very often, that was not a big problem.  Any other thoughts on preventing 
hanging up appreciated.  Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Rick Bushie via CnC-List]

The knot on the soft shackle is a fraction of the size of a bowline in a 3/8" 
sheet. Additionally, spectra is wicked slippery.

Like Joel, I made mine from directions on L-36.com. I use one on my jib sheets, 
I use one on each toe rail for my preventer blocks, and I use one run through 
half a tennis ball up forward when I rig my spin pole downhaul.

I musta made like twelve or fifteen of them on backshift at work one night. 
Kept six for myself and gave the rest away to friends that summer.

After three years of continuous exposure they appear good as new. That being 
said, caution dictates that I make a new batch this winter.

Rick Bushie
Anchovy



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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[wwadjourn]

Francis, I will give you that is  simple, but with two sheets each attached 
by soft shackle you can remove lazy sheet and attach to a different sail prior 
to hoist if need be.   Bill Walker  
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-- Original message--From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Date: 
Wed, Feb 17, 2016 4:06 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Jean-Francois J 
Rivard;Subject:Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle
If you're looking for the simplest / lightest/ most snagfree (And coolest in my 
book) way to attach your jib sheetsto your jib forget about the soft shackle /  
2 lines jib sheet withbig bowline knots or splices to snag the spinnaker pole 
car  / track/ etc on its way across on a tack. 

My rigger just showed me this trick:

1) You just have one continuous linewith a whip in the middle
2) You make a loop at the whip and passit through the eye on the sail's clew
3) You put both ends of the line throughthe loop on the backside... Done.  

Most of should know this knot: It'scalled a luggage tag knot.  

That my friends is the simplest / sleekestway to go.  You combine that with a 
timed late release of the lazysheet, It doesn't snag anymore, even with the 150 
in way too much wind:-)  

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I have a luggage tag on a snap shackle to make sail changes faster. I was
concerned about slippage, so I put a couple of stiches in with whipping
thread.

Joel​

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If you're looking for the simplest / lightest / most snagfree (And coolest
> in my book) way to attach your jib sheets to your jib forget about the soft
> shackle /  2 lines jib sheet with big bowline knots or splices to snag the
> spinnaker pole car  / track / etc on its way across on a tack.
>
> My rigger just showed me this trick:
>
> 1) You just have one continuous line with a whip in the middle
> 2) You make a loop at the whip and pass it through the eye on the sail's
> clew
> 3) You put both ends of the line through the loop on the backside... Done.
>
>
> Most of should know this knot: It's called a luggage tag knot.
>
> That my friends is the simplest / sleekest way to go.  You combine that
> with a timed late release of the lazy sheet, It doesn't snag anymore, even
> with the 150 in way too much wind :-)
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[wwadjourn]

The knot is very small compared to any knot you are using to tie on a 
sheet, plus you have two knots.  Buy some dyneema and give it a try  I bought 
some appropriate sized knitting needle at Wal-Mart and cut off the ends for 
fids.  Works great.  You won't to backThat said, it is very hard to splice an 
eye in a double braid sheet that has been put under tension, but can be done,   
Bill WalkerCnC 36

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-- Original message--From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List Date: Wed, Feb 17, 
2016 3:19 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Ron Casciato;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Soft shackle
I agree with Joelthey are easy to makeusing the L-36 website………..just 
Google soft shackle and you’ll see lots ofpictures and ideas……….. We use them 
on Impromptu, a C for all genoa sizes……….I’d never go back to knots.  
I think I just sawan article on Soft Shackles on the Sailing World web site 
this week?? I’llsee if I can find it again. Ron CasciatoImpromptu C 
38MKIIC…….’77 From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] OnBehalf Of 
Joel Aronson via CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Softshackle I followed the directions on L-36.com for a 
better soft shackle. have not used them with sheets, but there is very little 
of it to catchon anything. Joel On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Charlie Nelson 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>wrote:I don't know how they work in action 
on aboat. However, they can be made relatively easily from single braid line 
(IIRC)using videos and instructions from the web. I came across several of the 
above as Isearched the web for splicing an eye loop in double braid line. Of 
course youmay not 'get it' on the first or second attempt but all you have lost 
is a bitof line and some time. It took me 2 total failures before I 'got 
it',trying to splice and eye in a double braid where the inner core providedall 
the strength (Class II splice). Right now I am 3 for 5.You might need a set of 
fids and aserious knife/scissors, etc., but if you can't get out and sail 
anyway becauseof the weather, doing a little 'nautical weaving' indoors can be 
a nicediversion! Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcbGreenville, 
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Subject: Stus-List Soft shackleIs anyone using a soft shackle to attachthe Jib 
clew to the sheet?  If so what brand and any problems in operationlike catching 
on shrouds. JohnArpeggio1984 C 
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Stus-List Stus list Soft shackle

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

If you're looking for the simplest / lightest / most snagfree (And coolest 
in my book) way to attach your jib sheets to your jib forget about the 
soft shackle /  2 lines jib sheet with big bowline knots or splices to 
snag the spinnaker pole car  / track / etc on its way across on a tack. 

My rigger just showed me this trick:

1) You just have one continuous line with a whip in the middle
2) You make a loop at the whip and pass it through the eye on the sail's 
clew
3) You put both ends of the line through the loop on the backside... Done. 
 

Most of should know this knot: It's called a luggage tag knot. 

That my friends is the simplest / sleekest way to go.  You combine that 
with a timed late release of the lazy sheet, It doesn't snag anymore, even 
with the 150 in way too much wind :-) 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA


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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[wwadjourn]

John,  I have used for several years.  Go on utube and look for how to.  
Not hard to make,  all mine home made on a rainy day.    No hang ups at all on 
baby stay .   recommend. Bill WalkerCnC 36
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shackle
Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so what 
brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds. JohnArpeggio1984 
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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Ron Casciato via CnC-List]

I agree with Joelthey are easy to make using the L-36 website.just
Google soft shackle and you'll see lots of pictures and ideas.

 

We use them on Impromptu, a C 38MKIIC for all genoa sizesI'd never go
back to knots.  I think I just saw an article on Soft Shackles on the
Sailing World web site this week?? I'll see if I can find it again.

 

Ron Casciato

Impromptu C 38MKIIC...'77

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

 

I followed the directions on L-36.com for a better soft shackle.  have not
used them with sheets, but there is very little of it to catch on anything.

 

Joel

 

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I don't know how they work in action on a boat. However, they can be made
relatively easily from single braid line (IIRC) using videos and
instructions from the web.

 

I came across several of the above as I searched the web for splicing an eye
loop in double braid line. Of course you may not 'get it' on the first or
second attempt but all you have lost is a bit of line and some time. It took
me 2 total failures before I 'got it', trying to splice and eye in a double
braid where the inner core provided all the strength (Class II splice).
Right now I am 3 for 5.

You might need a set of fids and a serious knife/scissors, etc., but if you
can't get out and sail anyway because of the weather, doing a little
'nautical weaving' indoors can be a nice diversion!

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

1995 C 36 XL/kcb

Greenville, NC

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Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so
what brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.

 

John

Arpeggio

1984 C 32

NorwalkCT

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

We use them on the J42 I crew on and they work great. I recently made one
with help from a friend and it was somewhat easy. We have a cow hitch on
Osprey with our Endura braid single line/sheet, but I would like to splice
an eye and use soft shackles. After that cow hitch is set it is a pain to
open and change headsails.

30-2
Osprey

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:18 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I followed the directions on L-36.com for a better soft shackle.  have not
> used them with sheets, but there is very little of it to catch on anything.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know how they work in action on a boat. However, they can be made
>> relatively easily from single braid line (IIRC) using videos and
>> instructions from the web.
>>
>> I came across several of the above as I searched the web for splicing an
>> eye loop in double braid line. Of course you may not 'get it' on the first
>> or second attempt but all you have lost is a bit of line and some time. It
>> took me 2 total failures before I 'got it', trying to splice and eye in a
>> double braid where the inner core provided all the strength (Class II
>> splice). Right now I am 3 for 5.
>> You might need a set of fids and a serious knife/scissors, etc., but if
>> you can't get out and sail anyway because of the weather, doing a little
>> 'nautical weaving' indoors can be a nice diversion!
>>
>> Charlie Nelson
>> Water Phantom
>> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>> Greenville, NC
>> cenel...@aol.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> To: CnC-List <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: John Russo <johnrussob...@optonline.net>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2016 11:04 am
>> Subject: Stus-List Soft shackle
>>
>> Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If
>> so what brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.
>>
>> John
>> Arpeggio
>> 1984 C 32
>> NorwalkCT
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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I followed the directions on L-36.com for a better soft shackle.  have not
used them with sheets, but there is very little of it to catch on anything.

Joel

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don't know how they work in action on a boat. However, they can be made
> relatively easily from single braid line (IIRC) using videos and
> instructions from the web.
>
> I came across several of the above as I searched the web for splicing an
> eye loop in double braid line. Of course you may not 'get it' on the first
> or second attempt but all you have lost is a bit of line and some time. It
> took me 2 total failures before I 'got it', trying to splice and eye in a
> double braid where the inner core provided all the strength (Class II
> splice). Right now I am 3 for 5.
> You might need a set of fids and a serious knife/scissors, etc., but if
> you can't get out and sail anyway because of the weather, doing a little
> 'nautical weaving' indoors can be a nice diversion!
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> Greenville, NC
> cenel...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Stus-List Soft shackle
>
> Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so
> what brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.
>
> John
> Arpeggio
> 1984 C 32
> NorwalkCT
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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I don't know how they work in action on a boat. However, they can be made 
relatively easily from single braid line (IIRC) using videos and instructions 
from the web.

I came across several of the above as I searched the web for splicing an eye 
loop in double braid line. Of course you may not 'get it' on the first or 
second attempt but all you have lost is a bit of line and some time. It took me 
2 total failures before I 'got it', trying to splice and eye in a double braid 
where the inner core provided all the strength (Class II splice). Right now I 
am 3 for 5.

You might need a set of fids and a serious knife/scissors, etc., but if you 
can't get out and sail anyway because of the weather, doing a little 'nautical 
weaving' indoors can be a nice diversion!

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
Greenville, NC
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Subject: Stus-List Soft shackle



Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so what 
brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.
 
John
Arpeggio
1984 C 32
NorwalkCT

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis; could you please explain for me how a soft shackle doesn't get hung up 
whereas a knot  or other arrangement does? I have looked at these (but have not 
used one), and have read all the articles about them in the mags... and I am 
having conceptual  difficulty with the fact that the soft shackles have knots 
on them and could hang up just as much as a well tied jib sheet...or, what am I 
missing? many thanks! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2016 11:36 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle



I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually zips 
through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the forward 
lower shrouds.


I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft shackles. Be

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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Continuedvery happy with the set up.

Dennis C.

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> On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:34 AM, "Dennis C."  wrote:
> 
> I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually 
> zips through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the 
> forward lower shrouds.
> 
> I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft shackles. Be
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:05 AM, John Russo via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so 
>> what brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.
>>  
>> John
>> Arpeggio
>> 1984 C 32
>> NorwalkCT
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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually zips 
through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the forward 
lower shrouds.

I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft shackles. Be

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> On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:05 AM, John Russo via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so 
> what brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.
>  
> John
> Arpeggio
> 1984 C 32
> NorwalkCT
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Stus-List Soft shackle

[John Russo via CnC-List]

Is anyone using a soft shackle to attach the Jib clew to the sheet?  If so
what brand and any problems in operation like catching on shrouds.

 

John

Arpeggio

1984 C 32

NorwalkCT

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