Stus-List water ingress

[G Gao via CnC-List]

yet another question for experienced sailors:

today I was winterizing my boat, I found sitting water in my compartment
under the cockpit storage, not a lot, but there was some. my boat was
already out of the water. I found it actually came from the spot in the
picture below:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SdYK9pceDLR4bHu6CRPv3fJBszH7C7XT/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eQi22w6r1snDEwGHsadC3c4YChVj2seW/view?usp=sharing

There is no water at the top of the storage, or on the deck anywhere; it
rained last week a lot but not today; it seems that the water drips when
the wind blows a bit harder. I don't think I saw it when the boat was in
the water, or it could be that I did not notice it or not as much water.

any comments and suggestions?

Thx.

Bo






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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I had water coming in the bilge pump on my boat the first time out last spring. 
 I could actually go below and see the water coming in through the bilge pump 
hose while motoring.  It stopped when we slowed down.  What I have not figured 
out is why it happened the first time we motored, but not after that.  I 
replaced the one way valve anyway.  Dave

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I had the same setup on my 24.  Scuppers led straight down to a through hull 
> with a sea cock. However,  if there is a leak above the water line it will 
> only occur only when boat is in motion and transom is submerged or healed.  
> Try closing the through hull sea cock on one side at a time and see if you 
> get the leak.   If it stops with one closed that is your culprit.  Leak has 
> to be somewhere in the hose above the water line or else it would be 
> constant.Jerry
> 
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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Bill,
>> The cockpit drains on a C 25 drain vertically through the hull via through 
>> hulls with sea cocks, not aft through the transom.  Some early boats had 
>> gate valves which should be changed for sure.  If  hoses or hose clamps were 
>> leaking, you’d see water coming in all the time as the through hulls are 
>> always submerged on this boat.
>> Chuck Gilchrest
>> S/V Half Magic
>> C 25 Mk 1 1975
>>   <>
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>> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via 
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>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:56 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:billbinal...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??
>>  
>> Change the hoses for your cockpit drains. The outlets on the transom dip 
>> under water while underway, and old hoses can leak enough to do exactly what 
>> you are describing. When you buy new hoses, spend the extra money on fuel 
>> rated hose. You never know what might get spilled in the cockpit in the next 
>> 15 or 20 years. 
>> 
>> Bill Bina
>> 
>> On 12/14/2015 11:45 AM, Sailnomad via CnC-List wrote:
>> When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no 
>> water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2 
>> quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
>> I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem 
>> to be tight and I have no "smile".
>> 
>> I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel 
>> bolts.
>> Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on 
>> the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.
>> 
>> Ahmet
>> S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
>> S/V Tabasco C 25
>> Winthrop, MA, USA
>> 
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Stus-List Water Ingress

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

On my trip to New England, Pegathy was taking on a lot of water while underway. 
Turned out to be an open hose attached to a no longer used thru hull near the 
stern. The thru hull was above water line at rest, and below while underway. It 
dumped enough water in to put the floorboards under in a 38. Double yikes. 
Got'cha beat, Touche, but I don't want the trophy.  I would look near the stern 
for such a problem, perhaps a cracked cockpit drain hose (since the leak is 
relatively slow, or a bilge pump hose, if that thru hull is under water while 
motoring. I suspect it'll be an easy fix. Also, you might see if the lower 
rudder grudgeon has a leak. That might be under water while under way, too. 
Might be harder to fix.
Dan SheerPegathy LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

That is always scary, the sing feeling. (pun intended) . I had that once on
my Catalina 36. First sail of the season, sailing hard off and away from
the harbor, suddenly a lot of water. We immediately turned around, 10 miles
from shore. While my wife was steeriing, I investigated the problem.
It turns out that the galley sink hose had come off. It is draining
directly below. The hose fell over so the open tip was below waterline.
Just closed the thruhull
Since then I make sure to close the galley drain thruhll when I am sailing.
On the Irwin 43, the sink will fill up if I heel hard to starboard.
Ahmet
On Dec 14, 2015 8:38 PM, "Daniel Sheer via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> On my trip to New England, Pegathy was taking on a lot of water while
> underway. Turned out to be an open hose attached to a no longer used thru
> hull near the stern. The thru hull was above water line at rest, and below
> while underway. It dumped enough water in to put the floorboards under in a
> 38. Double yikes. Got'cha beat, Touche, but I don't want the trophy.  I
> would look near the stern for such a problem, perhaps a cracked cockpit
> drain hose (since the leak is relatively slow, or a bilge pump hose, if
> that thru hull is under water while motoring. I suspect it'll be an easy
> fix. Also, you might see if the lower rudder grudgeon has a leak. That
> might be under water while under way, too. Might be harder to fix.
>
> Dan Sheer
> Pegathy LF38
> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

Thank you for all the feedback. Motor mount might be the culprit. I will
check out all suggestions
Ahmet
On Dec 14, 2015 9:39 PM, "Sailnomad"  wrote:

> That is always scary, the sing feeling. (pun intended) . I had that once
> on my Catalina 36. First sail of the season, sailing hard off and away from
> the harbor, suddenly a lot of water. We immediately turned around, 10 miles
> from shore. While my wife was steeriing, I investigated the problem.
> It turns out that the galley sink hose had come off. It is draining
> directly below. The hose fell over so the open tip was below waterline.
> Just closed the thruhull
> Since then I make sure to close the galley drain thruhll when I am
> sailing. On the Irwin 43, the sink will fill up if I heel hard to starboard.
> Ahmet
> On Dec 14, 2015 8:38 PM, "Daniel Sheer via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> On my trip to New England, Pegathy was taking on a lot of water while
>> underway. Turned out to be an open hose attached to a no longer used thru
>> hull near the stern. The thru hull was above water line at rest, and below
>> while underway. It dumped enough water in to put the floorboards under in a
>> 38. Double yikes. Got'cha beat, Touche, but I don't want the trophy.  I
>> would look near the stern for such a problem, perhaps a cracked cockpit
>> drain hose (since the leak is relatively slow, or a bilge pump hose, if
>> that thru hull is under water while motoring. I suspect it'll be an easy
>> fix. Also, you might see if the lower rudder grudgeon has a leak. That
>> might be under water while under way, too. Might be harder to fix.
>>
>> Dan Sheer
>> Pegathy LF38
>> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
>>
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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Water tank leaking?

Scupper drain hose?

Rudder post?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Dec 14, 2015 11:46 AM, "Sailnomad via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely
> no water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in,
> maybe 2 quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
> I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts
> seem to be tight and I have no "smile".
>
> I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the
> keel bolts.
> Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created
> on the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.
>
> Ahmet
> S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
> S/V Tabasco C 25
> Winthrop, MA, USA
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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I've had the same problem and it turned out that there was no anti-siphon
loop in the bilge pump lime to the transom.  The water siphons back to the
pump and you can get a lot of water in that way.  My floor board were
submerged in a 35 footer.  Yikes!

Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C 37 Plus
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Sailnomad via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely
> no water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in,
> maybe 2 quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
> I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts
> seem to be tight and I have no "smile".
>
> I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the
> keel bolts.
> Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created
> on the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.
>
> Ahmet
> S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
> S/V Tabasco C 25
> Winthrop, MA, USA
>
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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Change the hoses for your cockpit drains. The outlets on the transom dip 
under water while underway, and old hoses can leak enough to do exactly 
what you are describing. When you buy new hoses, spend the extra money 
on fuel rated hose. You never know what might get spilled in the cockpit 
in the next 15 or 20 years.


Bill Bina

On 12/14/2015 11:45 AM, Sailnomad via CnC-List wrote:


When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is 
absolutely no water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get 
some water in, maybe 2 quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts 
seem to be tight and I have no "smile".


I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the 
keel bolts.
Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure 
created on the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.


Ahmet
S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
S/V Tabasco C 25
Winthrop, MA, USA



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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Doug Allardyce via CnC-List]

Could it be siphoning in through your bilge pump discharge hose?

Doug
"BULLET"
C 35 MK III

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  When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no 
water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2 
quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
  I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem 
to be tight and I have no "smile".

  I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel 
bolts.
  Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on 
the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.

  Ahmet
  S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
  S/V Tabasco C 25
  Winthrop, MA, USA

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Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely
no water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in,
maybe 2 quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem
to be tight and I have no "smile".

I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel
bolts.
Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on
the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.

Ahmet
S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
S/V Tabasco C 25
Winthrop, MA, USA
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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[David via CnC-List]

Outboard bracket bolts leaking?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 11:45:43 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Water Ingress ??
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: sailno...@gmail.com

When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no 
water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2 
quarts an hour, even in calm seas.

I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem to 
be tight and I have no "smile".
I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel 
bolts.

Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on the 
leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.
Ahmet

S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I

S/V Tabasco C 25

Winthrop, MA, USA



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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Any chance there is a crack in a cockpit drain hose and under motor when the 
boat says a bit it is forcing water through the hose Crack? Rain water and such 
would likely flow straight through without significant or any leakage.
Just a thought and easier than removing and retourquing keel bolts. 


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From: Sailnomad via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 2015-12-14  12:45  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Sailnomad <sailno...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Stus-List Water Ingress ?? 

When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no 
water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2 
quarts an hour, even in calm seas.

I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem to 
be tight and I have no "smile".
I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel 
bolts.

Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on the 
leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.
Ahmet

S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I

S/V Tabasco C 25

Winthrop, MA, USA


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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Check the bilge pump lines and the pump itself.

The discharge line from the pump should loop up under the aft end of the stbd 
seat before it drops down to the transom fitting.

The rubber flaps in the pump could be worn too, does it take a lot of pumps to 
prime the pump?

Checking the hoses on all the through-hulls is a good idea too.

There should be four for sure(cockpit X2, sink and lazerette drain) or five if 
you have a water intake for your head.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 C 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

 

When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no 
water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2 
quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem to 
be tight and I have no "smile".

I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel 
bolts.
Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on the 
leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.

Ahmet
S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
S/V Tabasco C 25
Winthrop, MA, USA

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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I had the same setup on my 24.  Scuppers led straight down to a through hull 
with a sea cock. However,  if there is a leak above the water line it will only 
occur only when boat is in motion and transom is submerged or healed.  Try 
closing the through hull sea cock on one side at a time and see if you get the 
leak.   If it stops with one closed that is your culprit.  Leak has to be 
somewhere in the hose above the water line or else it would be constant.
Jerry

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> The cockpit drains on a C 25 drain vertically through the hull via through 
> hulls with sea cocks, not aft through the transom.  Some early boats had gate 
> valves which should be changed for sure.  If  hoses or hose clamps were 
> leaking, you’d see water coming in all the time as the through hulls are 
> always submerged on this boat.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> C 25 Mk 1 1975
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina 
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> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:56 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??
>  
> Change the hoses for your cockpit drains. The outlets on the transom dip 
> under water while underway, and old hoses can leak enough to do exactly what 
> you are describing. When you buy new hoses, spend the extra money on fuel 
> rated hose. You never know what might get spilled in the cockpit in the next 
> 15 or 20 years. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
> On 12/14/2015 11:45 AM, Sailnomad via CnC-List wrote:
> When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no 
> water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2 
> quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
> I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem 
> to be tight and I have no "smile".
> 
> I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel 
> bolts.
> Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on 
> the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.
> 
> Ahmet
> S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
> S/V Tabasco C 25
> Winthrop, MA, USA
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Ahmet,

Half Magic, my 1975 25 Mk 1 always seems to have a small amount of bilge water, 
but as boldly as I can check, it always appears to be fresh water, which I 
suspect works its way through voids between the deck and hull, small cracks in 
the cockpit coaming or some other source.  My boat has had a slight “smile” 
since I purchased it in 2001, and I had an incident entering the channel at 
Cuttyhunk where I marked some submerged rocks with a bit of blue paint (just as 
a reference point for fellow mariners), but the keel/hull joint hasn’t seemed 
to weep water, either on the mooring or underway.  Half Magic had a Vire engine 
before I bought it, but the previous owner switched to an outboard and plugged 
all the inboard related through hulls prior to my purchase of the boat.

 

On a separate note, I’ve got a new boat under contract (35 Landfall) and Half 
Magic may be on the market soon.  I noticed in some of your earlier posts that 
you were asking about sails for racing/cruising.  I have two mainsails for my 
25, one is a North NorDac racing Main and the other a decent Thurston cross cut 
dacron (older).  I’ve kept the racing main just for that purpose and it have 
very limited use.  Additionally, I’ve got a 150 North Norlam Genoa with VERY 
low usage since Buzzards Bay tends to be more of a 15-25kt body of water 
whenever I’ve taken the boat out for racing.  My other two jibs are a bit 
older, a 135 Newport dacron sail and the other is a Mylar 100% Thurston, both 
are serviceable but not new and crisp like the others.

If you want to discuss any of these sails for your boat, I’m happy to do so…

Best regards,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

C 25 Mk 1  1975

 

Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Sailnomad <sailno...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

 

When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no 
water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2 
quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem to 
be tight and I have no "smile".

I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel 
bolts.
Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on the 
leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.

Ahmet
S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
S/V Tabasco C 25
Winthrop, MA, USA

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Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Bill,

The cockpit drains on a C 25 drain vertically through the hull via through
hulls with sea cocks, not aft through the transom.  Some early boats had
gate valves which should be changed for sure.  If  hoses or hose clamps were
leaking, you'd see water coming in all the time as the through hulls are
always submerged on this boat.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

C 25 Mk 1 1975

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Ingress ??

 

Change the hoses for your cockpit drains. The outlets on the transom dip
under water while underway, and old hoses can leak enough to do exactly what
you are describing. When you buy new hoses, spend the extra money on fuel
rated hose. You never know what might get spilled in the cockpit in the next
15 or 20 years. 

Bill Bina

On 12/14/2015 11:45 AM, Sailnomad via CnC-List wrote:

When tabasco (c with an outboard) is on the dock, there is absolutely no
water coming in. When I am out, even motoring, I get some water in, maybe 2
quarts an hour, even in calm seas.
I am in the process of replacing some rusty keel washers, but the nuts seem
to be tight and I have no "smile".

I have a hard time believing that so much water is seeping through the keel
bolts.
Does anybody have any other logical explanation besides pressure created on
the leading edge of the keel  ? I have no stuffing box.

Ahmet
S/V Waterdancer 43 Irwin MKII I
S/V Tabasco C 25
Winthrop, MA, USA






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