Stus-List handrail

[General Gao via CnC-List]

Hi, my C&C 35 Mk2 handrail seems to have a leak to the inside. I found out
this last year when there was rain and I found water inside the cabin where
the handrail was.

This year I want to take care of it before the season starts. I took a
closer look at it from inside, there seems to be a wood  stud, do I just
use a knife to pop it off to access the screws?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/155AB7tJdv5J1JWm-tAk4_hQpyv7MedlL/view?usp=sharing

Thank you in advance.

Bo
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Re: Stus-List Handrail question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yes that's what I found too.  The rails appear to have been drilled in
place so no 2 rails or holes are the same.  Ugh!

Josh
On Jul 8, 2015 5:35 AM, "Bill Bina via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I bought new handrails from TeakMarineWoodwork.com and they were very nice
> pieces of wood. Just be sure to specify that you do NOT want the standard
> oil finish if you are planning to varnish or use other types of finish. I
> also discovered on my boat that C&C had not used a ruler when they drilled
> the holes for the originals. They were not all exactly 12" on center. Check
> for that before you start drilling any holes in your new rails! The bases
> of the new rails are long enough to accommodate the discrepancies.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 7/7/2015 8:57 PM, Arnold Griesel via CnC-List wrote:
>
>> Neil,
>>
>> 1982 C&C 32 #109 has 12" inch center handrails.  They are hard to find.
>> This is one place that has  them.
>>
>> http://www.teakmarinewoodwork.com/hand_rails.htm
>>
>> We have one broken too.  I thank our local cabinet shop can make them!
>>
>> Arnold  {:-(
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Handrail question

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

I bought new handrails from TeakMarineWoodwork.com and they were very 
nice pieces of wood. Just be sure to specify that you do NOT want the 
standard oil finish if you are planning to varnish or use other types of 
finish. I also discovered on my boat that C&C had not used a ruler when 
they drilled the holes for the originals. They were not all exactly 12" 
on center. Check for that before you start drilling any holes in your 
new rails! The bases of the new rails are long enough to accommodate the 
discrepancies.


Bill Bina

On 7/7/2015 8:57 PM, Arnold Griesel via CnC-List wrote:

Neil,

1982 C&C 32 #109 has 12" inch center handrails.  They are hard to find.  This 
is one place that has  them.

http://www.teakmarinewoodwork.com/hand_rails.htm

We have one broken too.  I thank our local cabinet shop can make them!

Arnold  {:-(





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Re: Stus-List Handrail question

[Arnold Griesel via CnC-List]

Neil,

1982 C&C 32 #109 has 12" inch center handrails.  They are hard to find.  This 
is one place that has  them.  

http://www.teakmarinewoodwork.com/hand_rails.htm

We have one broken too.  I thank our local cabinet shop can make them!

Arnold  {:-(



             
On Tue, 7/7/15, Rick Rohwer via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Handrail question
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Rick Rohwer" 
 Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2015, 7:19 PM
 
 NeilLet me know if I can help.  I am
 looking at my 6 loop teak handrails on a 1989-90
 37+.
 RickPaikea, Langley, Whidbey Island, WA (just for
 tonight)On Jul
 7, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 A
 rigger that I am no longer using broke one of my 6 loop teak
 handrails on my cabin on my C&C 32 (1982).
 I am
 looking for the dimensions since I am hours from my
 boat.
 NeilFoxFire, 1982 C&C 32
 
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Re: Stus-List Handrail question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I replaced mine with SS rails this past winter.  Your welcome to the old
teak ones but more importantly the SS has been great.  I don't regret it in
the slightest bit.  $400 total for custom made.

https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yd0UxdVVfWkEybjA/edit

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 7, 2015 7:27 PM, "Neil Andersen via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>  A rigger that I am no longer using broke one of my 6 loop teak handrails
> on my cabin on my C&C 32 (1982).
>
> I am looking for the dimensions since I am hours from my boat.
>
> Neil
> FoxFire, 1982 C&C 32
>
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Re: Stus-List Handrail question

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

Neil
Let me know if I can help.  I am looking at my 6 loop teak handrails on a 
1989-90 37+.

Rick
Paikea, 
Langley, Whidbey Island, WA (just for tonight)
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> A rigger that I am no longer using broke one of my 6 loop teak handrails on 
> my cabin on my C&C 32 (1982).
> 
> I am looking for the dimensions since I am hours from my boat.
> 
> Neil
> FoxFire, 1982 C&C 32
> 
> Sent from Surface Pro
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Stus-List Handrail question

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

A rigger that I am no longer using broke one of my 6 loop teak handrails on my 
cabin on my C&C 32 (1982).


I am looking for the dimensions since I am hours from my boat.


Neil

FoxFire, 1982 C&C 32






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Re: Stus-List handrail replacement

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yes, I'm tired of maintaining teak.  I don't think they even do teak...they
specialize in stainless.
On Nov 19, 2014 6:33 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

> That's sounds very reasonable.  Are you going with teak our SS??
>
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> - Reply message -
> From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
> To: "Chuck S" , "C&C List" 
> Subject: Stus-List handrail replacement
> Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 5:53 am
>
>
> Based on the suggestions of others on the list I contacted
> whitewatermarineinc.com.  For a pair of custom 6' rails they quoted
> $395.00.  I would have a hard time doing it myself for less.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Nov 15, 2014 12:06 AM, "Chuck S via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Found this handrail project w pictures.  as some interesting ideas.
>> http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/handrails.htm
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List handrail replacement

[djhaughey]

That's sounds very reasonable.  Are you going with teak our SS??

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From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
To: "Chuck S" , "C&C List" 
Subject: Stus-List handrail replacement
Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 5:53 am
Based on the suggestions of others on the list I contacted 
whitewatermarineinc.com.  For a pair of custom 6' rails they quoted $395.00.  I 
would have a hard time doing it myself for less.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD
On Nov 15, 2014 12:06 AM, "Chuck S via CnC-List"  
wrote:Found this handrail project w pictures.  as some interesting ideas.
http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/handrails.htm
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

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Re: Stus-List handrail replacement

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Based on the suggestions of others on the list I contacted
whitewatermarineinc.com.  For a pair of custom 6' rails they quoted
$395.00.  I would have a hard time doing it myself for less.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Nov 15, 2014 12:06 AM, "Chuck S via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Found this handrail project w pictures.  as some interesting ideas.
> http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/handrails.htm
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
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> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List handrail replacement - SS above and teak under

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

That's a well thought out procedure, Dennis; thanks for sharing.  I have
considered exterior SS handrails for Alianna but as another lister pointed
out I just preferred the look of the teak handrails on my 1974 design...so
keeping that teak looking good is my challenge...cetol seems to hold up
better than anything else I have tried and it makes for easy touch up of
probelms that develop so that I have not had to do anything but sand a few
bad spots each spring and apply just 1 coat of cetol...mosty I have
problems where my winter cover tarp chafes the hand rails as it moves in
the wind...I suppose I could prevent that but really I don't mind the
slight repairs I have had to do each spring and the new coating blends in
very well with the areas that don't require any repair...going on 7 years
since I removed and totally stripped them before applying cetol (5 coats)
and reinstalling using buyl tape as the bedding compound...IMHO that work
is well worth what the teak does for overall appearance of Alianna

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting.
>
> I replaced teak rails with stainless on a J30 a few years ago.  It had
> over/under handrails.  We kept the teak rails underneath.  Over/under rails
> add a level of complexity when replacing with stainless.  It's important to
> plan how you do it.
>
> Sent the old capintop rails to Whitewater Marine along with an estimate of
> the longitudinal crown in the cabintop.  I think the crown was around 2
> inches.  That curvature has to be manufacted into the stainless rails.
> They don't bend much.  Whitewater made nice stainless rails from the
> patterns.
>
> While the new SS rails were being fabricated, I overbored and filled the
> old holes in the cabintop.  I also epoxy filled the old fastener holes in
> the lower teak handrails.  Then I plugged the fastener holes in the
> underneath handrails.  I epoxied plugs in the holes.  Essentially, I made
> the underneath handrails whole again.
>
> When the SS rails came in, I placed them on the cabintop and drew a circle
> around each of the mounting feet.  Using a washer, I then drew the centers
> and drilled the new mounting holes.  I oversized them a bit to allow for
> some tilt and slop.  With a buddy holding the lower handrails in place, I
> drilled a small shallow hole in one of the END feet of the lower rail from
> above.  We then drilled that hole fully trying to align it to the old hole
> which I'd filled.  We used a small bit to drill a pilot hole because we
> were drilling through the small epoxy plug in the rail.  Once we drilled
> the pilot hole, we re-drilled to the correct size.  I then drilled the
> countersink for the plug.
>
> Installed the stainless and underneath handrails with a fastener in that
> first hole.  We then offset the SS rail abit and repeated the process for
> the other end of the handrails.  Once the handrails were drilled at each
> end, we held the underneath rail in place with the end fasteners in it and
> marked the intermediate holes with a shallow drill hole.  We then drilled
> the intermediate holes in the underneath rail.
>
> Between the slightly oversize holes in the cabintop and the flexibility of
> the teak rails underneath, the holes lined up fairly well and the whole
> thing went back together.  Some of the new plugs in the teak rail were
> slightly off from the original holes but that was only noticeable if you
> looked closely.  Who examines overhead handrails that closely anyway?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Found this handrail project w pictures.  as some interesting ideas.
>> http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/handrails.htm
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List handrail replacement - SS above and teak under

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Interesting.

I replaced teak rails with stainless on a J30 a few years ago.  It had
over/under handrails.  We kept the teak rails underneath.  Over/under rails
add a level of complexity when replacing with stainless.  It's important to
plan how you do it.

Sent the old capintop rails to Whitewater Marine along with an estimate of
the longitudinal crown in the cabintop.  I think the crown was around 2
inches.  That curvature has to be manufacted into the stainless rails.
They don't bend much.  Whitewater made nice stainless rails from the
patterns.

While the new SS rails were being fabricated, I overbored and filled the
old holes in the cabintop.  I also epoxy filled the old fastener holes in
the lower teak handrails.  Then I plugged the fastener holes in the
underneath handrails.  I epoxied plugs in the holes.  Essentially, I made
the underneath handrails whole again.

When the SS rails came in, I placed them on the cabintop and drew a circle
around each of the mounting feet.  Using a washer, I then drew the centers
and drilled the new mounting holes.  I oversized them a bit to allow for
some tilt and slop.  With a buddy holding the lower handrails in place, I
drilled a small shallow hole in one of the END feet of the lower rail from
above.  We then drilled that hole fully trying to align it to the old hole
which I'd filled.  We used a small bit to drill a pilot hole because we
were drilling through the small epoxy plug in the rail.  Once we drilled
the pilot hole, we re-drilled to the correct size.  I then drilled the
countersink for the plug.

Installed the stainless and underneath handrails with a fastener in that
first hole.  We then offset the SS rail abit and repeated the process for
the other end of the handrails.  Once the handrails were drilled at each
end, we held the underneath rail in place with the end fasteners in it and
marked the intermediate holes with a shallow drill hole.  We then drilled
the intermediate holes in the underneath rail.

Between the slightly oversize holes in the cabintop and the flexibility of
the teak rails underneath, the holes lined up fairly well and the whole
thing went back together.  Some of the new plugs in the teak rail were
slightly off from the original holes but that was only noticeable if you
looked closely.  Who examines overhead handrails that closely anyway?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <
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> Found this handrail project w pictures.  as some interesting ideas.
> http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/handrails.htm
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Stus-List handrail replacement

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Found this handrail project w pictures. as some interesting ideas. 
http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/handrails.htm 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Chuck S]

Pictures? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "D.Drake"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:47:45 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak 

I sourced all the components from Suncor Stainless 


On 16/04/2013 10:09 AM, airdale...@juno.com wrote: 



Where did you get the stainless ones from? 

-- Original Message -- 
From: "D.Drake"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak 
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:22:04 -0400 

Mine broke as I was installing it ! 
I feel your pain . 
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones 

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: 
> So, 
> 
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita. All I could find on line were A.) 
> not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops. Mine are 11.5" on 
> center. 
> 
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
> an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running. 
> Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend 
> them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed 
> solid (you already know where this is going right?) 
> 
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday. I 
> had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table 
> and the stupid thing broke! 
> 
> I was gutted! I guess better now than after I'd finished them 
> 
> I was all happy with how they were turning out. Lesson learned...no knots are 
> good knots! 
> 
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one. 
> 
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak... 
> 
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto 
> 
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES 
> 
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38 
> 
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
> new ones next to the old ones. I'm willing to bet those are original and 
> never saw any attention. 
> 
> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
> bolted. Anyone else have the same condition. I'm thinking I'll to the same 
> thing only with heavier lag bolts. This way I can completely finish them at 
> home and won't have any touch up work after the install. At 24 hours between 
> coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job. Not 
> to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way! 
> 
> Danny 
> Lolita 
> 1973 Viking 33 
> Westport Point, MA 
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak; handrail covers

[Dennis C.]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SET-OF-2-SUNBRELLA-SAILBOAT-HANDRAIL-COVERS-BOAT-HAND-RAIL-COVERS-REAL-SUNBRELLA-/181120359263?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item2a2b9d5b5f&vxp=mtr




>
> From: "wwadjo...@aol.com" 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:29 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak; handrail covers
> 
>
>
>Anyone have internet source for handrail covers in choice of sunbrella colors? 
> Had some
>On previous boat and since I am doind teak right now good time to get some.  
>Bill Walker
>Evening Star
>C n C 36
>Pentwater, Mi.
>
>
>- Reply message -
>From: "Richard N. Bush" 
>To: 
>Subject: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak; handrail covers
>Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 10:21 pm
>
>
>I agree with the handrail covers idea; actually I have two sets; one for 
>summer and one for winter layup; they are both worth they're weave in gold!
>Richard
>1987 33-II Ohio River, Mile 584
>
>Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
>235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
>Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
>502-584-7255
>-Original Message-
>From: Jake Brodersen 
>To: cnc-list 
>Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:37 pm
>Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
>
>
>Nate,
> 
>I had handrail covers made as well.  They are worth their weight in gold.  I 
>still overcoat the handrails every year.  The bases sometimes get a little sun 
>when the cover flips up.  I have snaps centered in each loop and they do a 
>pretty good job of keeping the covers on.
> 
>Jake
> 
>Jake Brodersen
>C&C 35 Mk-III
>Midnight Mistress
>Hampton VA
> 
> 
>From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:23 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
> 
>So after several years of refinishing handrails annually (or maybe every other 
>year when I was sloppy), I finally added sunbrella handrail covers - and based 
>on one year's experience, my handrails are now immortal and their finish is 
>close to immortal. The covers were a minor addition to a new dodger order, 
>though there are online sources too.  I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. 
> 
>Handrail covers are rare around here (I'm now the only one with them in my 50 
>boat marina), but every time I take them off to go sailing, and look at a very 
>nice shiny teak finish, looking just a perfect as the last time they were 
>uncovered, I don't understand why they are rare. For all the cost and effort 
>or replacing handrails eroded or sanded to oblivion, not to mention the effort 
>and cumulative cost of refinishing them, I would strongly recommend getting 
>covers.
> 
>and, BTW, this year I'm no longer sure why we live here.
> 
>Nate
>"Sarah Jean"
>1980 30-1
>Siskiwit Bay Marina
>Lake Superior
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak; handrail covers

[wwadjo...@aol.com]

Anyone have internet source for handrail covers in choice of sunbrella colors?  
Had some
On previous boat and since I am doind teak right now good time to get some.  
Bill Walker
Evening Star
C n C 36
Pentwater, Mi.

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From: "Richard N. Bush" 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak; handrail covers
Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 10:21 pm
I agree with the handrail covers idea; actually I have two sets; one for summer 
and one for winter layup; they are both worth they're weave in gold!





Richard


1987 33-II Ohio River, Mile 584



Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 

Louisville, Kentucky 40202 

502-584-7255






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From: Jake Brodersen 

To: cnc-list 

Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:37 pm

Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak














Nate,



I had handrail covers made as well.  They are worth their weight in gold.  I 
still overcoat the handrails every year.  The bases sometimes get a little sun 
when the cover flips up.  I have snaps centered in each loop and they do a 
pretty good job of keeping the covers on.



Jake



Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA





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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:23 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak




So after several years of refinishing handrails annually (or maybe every other 
year when I was sloppy), I finally added sunbrella handrail covers - and based 
on one year's experience, my handrails are now immortal and their finish is 
close to immortal. The covers were a minor addition to a new dodger order, 
though there are online sources too.  I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. 






Handrail covers are rare around here (I'm now the only one with them in my 50 
boat marina), but every time I take them off to go sailing, and look at a very 
nice shiny teak finish, looking just a perfect as the last time they were 
uncovered, I don't understand why they are rare. For all the cost and effort or 
replacing handrails eroded or sanded to oblivion, not to mention the effort and 
cumulative cost of refinishing them, I would strongly recommend getting covers.







and, BTW, this year I'm no longer sure why we live here.







Nate



"Sarah Jean"



1980 30-1



Siskiwit Bay Marina



Lake Superior










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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak; handrail covers

[Richard N. Bush]

I agree with the handrail covers idea; actually I have two sets; one for summer 
and one for winter layup; they are both worth they're weave in gold!


Richard
1987 33-II Ohio River, Mile 584

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255



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From: Jake Brodersen 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak



Nate,
 
I had handrail covers made as well.  They are worth their weight in gold.  I 
still overcoat the handrails every year.  The bases sometimes get a little sun 
when the cover flips up.  I have snaps centered in each loop and they do a 
pretty good job of keeping the covers on.
 
Jake
 
Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
 

So after several years of refinishing handrails annually (or maybe every other 
year when I was sloppy), I finally added sunbrella handrail covers - and based 
on one year's experience, my handrails are now immortal and their finish is 
close to immortal. The covers were a minor addition to a new dodger order, 
though there are online sources too.  I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. 

 

Handrail covers are rare around here (I'm now the only one with them in my 50 
boat marina), but every time I take them off to go sailing, and look at a very 
nice shiny teak finish, looking just a perfect as the last time they were 
uncovered, I don't understand why they are rare. For all the cost and effort or 
replacing handrails eroded or sanded to oblivion, not to mention the effort and 
cumulative cost of refinishing them, I would strongly recommend getting covers.

 

and, BTW, this year I'm no longer sure why we live here.

 

Nate

"Sarah Jean"

1980 30-1

Siskiwit Bay Marina

Lake Superior


 
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[D.Drake]

I sourced all the components from Suncor Stainless

On 16/04/2013 10:09 AM, airdale...@juno.com wrote:

Where did you get the stainless ones from?

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From: "D.Drake" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:22:04 -0400

Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> So,
>
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on 
line were A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops. 
 Mine are 11.5" on center.

>
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards 
(one as an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off 
and running.  Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed 
solid, I tried to bend them and twist them and the knot was not well 
formed and definitely seemed solid (you already know where this is 
going right?)

>
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of 
Sunday.  I had just started finish sanding and the opposite end 
slipped off the table and the stupid thing broke!

>
> I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
>
> I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no 
knots are good knots!

>
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to 
make one.

>
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
>
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
>
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you 
see the new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are 
original and never saw any attention.

>
> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of 
through bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking 
I'll to the same thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can 
completely finish them at home and won't have any touch up work after 
the install.  At 24 hours between coats and doing the suggested 8 
coats, thats a real time consuming job.  Not to mention a lot of gas a 
30 miles each way!

>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
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[D.Drake]

I thought I did have some photos but I guesss that was a computer crash 
ago .

I will be at the boat this weekend and take a few pics and post them

I made them myself from 1" ss tubing and SS standoff fittings
Took 4- 10 ft lengths and bent them to a slight curve to match the cabin 
top curve
Cut them to length so that I had 2 long exterior rails and 2 shorter 
interior rails .
I matched the standoffs ,inside to outside and thru bolted the standoffs 
to each other ,much like the original teak rails but much stronger.

I did seal the thru bolts with butly tape and have no leaks for 3 years now




On 16/04/2013 8:04 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

Really?

Got any photos?  That was suggested by another Viking owner.

Danny
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From: "D.Drake" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:22:04 -0400

Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

So,

I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were A.) not long 
enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on center.

I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as an 
extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.  Well, I 
noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend them and twist 
them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed solid (you already know 
where this is going right?)

I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  I 
had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table and 
the stupid thing broke!

I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them

I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots are 
good knots!

Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.

Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...

http://sdrv.ms/103PWto

http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES

http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38

You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original and never 
saw any attention.

Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the same 
thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish them at 
home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 hours between 
coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job.  Not to 
mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA

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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Jake Brodersen]

Nate,

 

I had handrail covers made as well.  They are worth their weight in gold.  I
still overcoat the handrails every year.  The bases sometimes get a little
sun when the cover flips up.  I have snaps centered in each loop and they do
a pretty good job of keeping the covers on.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate
Flesness
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

 

So after several years of refinishing handrails annually (or maybe every
other year when I was sloppy), I finally added sunbrella handrail covers -
and based on one year's experience, my handrails are now immortal and their
finish is close to immortal. The covers were a minor addition to a new
dodger order, though there are online sources too.  I can't believe I didn't
do this sooner. 

 

Handrail covers are rare around here (I'm now the only one with them in my
50 boat marina), but every time I take them off to go sailing, and look at a
very nice shiny teak finish, looking just a perfect as the last time they
were uncovered, I don't understand why they are rare. For all the cost and
effort or replacing handrails eroded or sanded to oblivion, not to mention
the effort and cumulative cost of refinishing them, I would strongly
recommend getting covers.

 

and, BTW, this year I'm no longer sure why we live here.

 

Nate

"Sarah Jean"

1980 30-1

Siskiwit Bay Marina

Lake Superior

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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[djhaug...@juno.com]

who'd a thunk it?  the use mahogany for decks... Versions 2s can be a bummer... 

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From: Bob Moriarty 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:25:50 -0400


Danny,If it's any consolation, I made some handrails out of mahogany. They 
turned out nicely - one of my better efforts. Then, after a year or two they 
started pulling up from the cabintop. Turns out mahogany gets soft from 
moisture.Now I have another "version 2" project. Bob MOx 33-1Jax, FL

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:
So,
 
 I decided to make new handrails for Lolita. �All I could find on line 
were A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops. �Mine are 
11.5" on center.
 
 I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running. 
�Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to 
bend them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed 
solid (you already know where this is going right?)
 
 I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday. 
�I had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the 
table and the stupid thing broke!
 
 I was gutted! �I guess better now than after I'd finished them
 
 I was all happy with how they were turning out. �Lesson learned...no 
knots are good knots!
 
 Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
 
 Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
 
 http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
 
 http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
 
 http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
 
 You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
new ones next to the old ones. �I'm willing to bet those are original 
and never saw any attention.
 
 Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
bolted. �Anyone else have the same condition. �I'm thinking I'll 
to the same thing only with heavier lag bolts. �This way I can 
completely finish them at home and won't have any touch up work after the 
install. �At 24 hours between coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, 
thats a real time consuming job. �Not to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles 
each way!
 
 Danny
 Lolita
 1973 Viking 33
 Westport Point, MA
 
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Bob Moriarty]

Danny,
If it's any consolation, I made some handrails out of mahogany. They turned
out nicely - one of my better efforts. Then, after a year or two they
started pulling up from the cabintop. Turns out mahogany gets soft from
moisture.
Now I have another "version 2" project.

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> So,
>
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were
> A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on
> center.
>
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one
> as an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.
>  Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to
> bend them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely
> seemed solid (you already know where this is going right?)
>
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.
>  I had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the
> table and the stupid thing broke!
>
> I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
>
> I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots
> are good knots!
>
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
>
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
>
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
>
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see
> the new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original
> and never saw any attention.
>
> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through
> bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the
> same thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish
> them at home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24
> hours between coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time
> consuming job.  Not to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[dwight veinot]

It's when you coat them and it peels off or chips, that is what is not
pretty. Did mine with 5 coats of cetol all around when I had them off 5
years ago, still pretty good...used butyl tape to bed...next time I clean
them, if ever, I am just doing nothing, let them go grey, natural grey is
nice enough for me and others will get used to it.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 

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Sent: April 16, 2013 3:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Right.  Handrail covers aren't *nearly* as annoying as toe rail covers.  
I made covers for my teak toe rails, but after a few years I realized 
that there were times that I just didn't go sailing because taking the 
toe rail covers on and off was just too much hassle.

So now I have SS hand rails and painted toe rails.

Wal


dwight wrote:
> But it's a real PITA taking them off and putting them back on for every
> sail, especially if you go a couple of times weekly.just one more little
> thing that moves sailing from fun closer to work



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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Wally Bryant]

Right.  Handrail covers aren't *nearly* as annoying as toe rail covers.  
I made covers for my teak toe rails, but after a few years I realized 
that there were times that I just didn't go sailing because taking the 
toe rail covers on and off was just too much hassle.


So now I have SS hand rails and painted toe rails.

Wal


dwight wrote:

But it's a real PITA taking them off and putting them back on for every
sail, especially if you go a couple of times weekly.just one more little
thing that moves sailing from fun closer to work




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[djhaug...@juno.com]

Yea, I'm considering this as well.  For the cost of the sunbrella and some 
snaps I think it is a wise investment.  I really think the look of teak, well 
preserved, can't be beat.  I replaced the teak toerails on my O'Day 22 and it 
looked like a different boat when I was done.  New rubrail, new Toerails, 
refinished handrails and people were amazed how old that boat was. I can't wait 
to see the new handrails in place!Danny

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:22:46 -0500


So after several years of refinishing handrails annually (or maybe every other 
year when I was sloppy), I finally added sunbrella handrail covers - and based 
on one year's experience, my handrails are now immortal and their finish is 
close to immortal. The covers were a minor addition to a new dodger order, 
though there are online sources too. �I can't believe I didn't do this 
sooner.� Handrail covers are rare around here (I'm now the only one with 
them in my 50 boat marina), but every time I take them off to go sailing, and 
look at a very nice shiny teak finish, looking just a perfect as the last time 
they were uncovered, I don't understand why they are rare. For all the cost and 
effort or replacing handrails eroded or sanded to oblivion, not to mention the 
effort and cumulative cost of refinishing them, I would strongly recommend 
getting covers. and, BTW, this year I'm no longer sure why we live here. 
Nate"Sarah Jean"1980 30-1Siskiwit Bay MarinaLake Superior

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:13 AM, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:
Hole saws...Wish I had thought of that! �I could have rigged a jig on 
the drill press...�I used a band saw for the first two then used a 
strait bit on the router table to get to the line. �I used a jig saw for 
the one 3rd one and was able to much closer to the line. �I had noticed 
the hand made quality of the originals and am quite happy with how they are 
turning out. �Mine aren't matched though. �They 
are�staggered�and lag bolted separately inside and out. 
�Having them matched that way hides the hardware nicely but, I makes you 
remove and reset 2 handrails even if you have to repair only one. �I do 
like the hidden hardware though.�I got the replacement form cut out last 
night. �Now I just need to route and sand. �No more 
knots!�Danny

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 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreakDate: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:07:03 
+ (UTC)

Our boat has handrails on the cabin ceiling and out on the cabin top that were 
made as a matched pair, through bolted together.
When I had my handrails off the boat, I could see they were made in 
pairs.� Each pair is made from a single piece of wood.� The 
carpenter used a hole saw to match the inside curve of handhole and provide a 
starting point for a sig saw.� Draw knife would probably be best for 
shaping.
 
When I refinished them, I used the fasteners to keep them paired up and they 
are easier to sand and varnish that way.� I rigged lines to my shop 
ceiling with large coat hanger hooks, to keep em at a working height.
 
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJFrom: "D.Drake" 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:22:04 PMSubject: Re: 
Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
 Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
 > So,
>
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita. �All I could find on line 
> were A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops. �Mine 
> are 11.5" on center.
>
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
> an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running. 
> �Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried 
> to bend them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely 
> seemed solid (you already know where this is going right?)
 >
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday. 
> �I had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off 
> the table and the stupid thing broke!
>
> I was gutted! �I guess better now than after I'd finished them
 >
> I was all happy with how they were turning out. �Lesson learned...no 
> knots are good knots!
>
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
>
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
 >
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
 >
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
> new ones next t

Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Harry Hallgring]

I am also going the SS handrail route.  I had to cut mine off and they were 12" 
centers. I could fabricate new teak ones myself but decided to have SS ones 
made.  

Harry

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2013, at 7:09 AM, "airdale...@juno.com"  wrote:

> Where did you get the stainless ones from?
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "D.Drake" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:22:04 -0400
> 
> Mine broke as I was installing it !
> I feel your pain .
> I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones
> 
> On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> > So,
> >
> > I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were 
> > A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on 
> > center.
> >
> > I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one 
> > as an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running. 
> >  Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to 
> > bend them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely 
> > seemed solid (you already know where this is going right?)
> >
> > I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  
> > I had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the 
> > table and the stupid thing broke!
> >
> > I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
> >
> > I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots 
> > are good knots!
> >
> > Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
> >
> > Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
> >
> > http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
> >
> > http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
> >
> > http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
> >
> > You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see 
> > the new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original 
> > and never saw any attention.
> >
> > Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
> > bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the 
> > same thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish 
> > them at home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 
> > hours between coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time 
> > consuming job.  Not to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!
> >
> > Danny
> > Lolita
> > 1973 Viking 33
> > Westport Point, MA
> >
> > ___
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> > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
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> >
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Dennis C.]

I ordered some for a J30 from http://www.whitewatermarineinc.com/.  Nice 
craftsmanship.

Sent them the old rails.  They used them as well as some measurements I made as 
a pattern for the new ones.

NOTE:  Stainless handrails are much stiffer than teak rails.  The teak rails 
may be made straight then bent when installed.  Once you remove them, they may 
straighten out.  It's important to realize you can't simply send the new rails 
and have them duplicated.  You need to measure the crown of the cabintop and 
any curvature in the rails.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: "airdale...@juno.com" 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:09 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
> 
>
>
>Where did you get the stainless ones from?
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "D.Drake" 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
>Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:22:04 -0400
>
>Mine broke as I was installing it !
>I feel your pain .
>I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones
>
>On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
>> So,
>>
>> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were 
>> A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on 
>> center.
>>
>> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
>> an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.  
>> Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend 
>> them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed 
>> solid (you already know where this is going right?)
>>
>> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  I 
>> had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table 
>> and the stupid thing broke!
>>
>> I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
>>
>> I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots 
>> are good knots!
>>
>> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
>>
>> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
>>
>> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>>
>> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>>
>> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
>>
>> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
>> new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original and 
>> never saw any attention.
>>
>> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
>> bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the same 
>> thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish them at 
>> home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 hours 
>> between coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming 
>> job.  Not to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!
>>
>> Danny
>> Lolita
>> 1973 Viking 33
>> Westport Point, MA
>>
>> ___
>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album
>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>>
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[airdale...@juno.com]

Where did you get the stainless ones from?

-- Original Message --
From: "D.Drake" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:22:04 -0400

Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> So,
>
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were 
> A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on 
> center.
>
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
> an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.  
> Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend 
> them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed 
> solid (you already know where this is going right?)
>
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  I 
> had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table 
> and the stupid thing broke!
>
> I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
>
> I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots 
> are good knots!
>
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
>
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
>
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
>
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
> new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original and 
> never saw any attention.
>
> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
> bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the same 
> thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish them at 
> home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 hours between 
> coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job.  Not 
> to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
> ___
> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>

-- 
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[dwight veinot]

Yes you are correct, if you cover them up they will last a lot longer

 

But it's a real PITA taking them off and putting them back on for every
sail, especially if you go a couple of times weekly.just one more little
thing that moves sailing from fun closer to work

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate
Flesness
Sent: April 16, 2013 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

 

So after several years of refinishing handrails annually (or maybe every
other year when I was sloppy), I finally added sunbrella handrail covers -
and based on one year's experience, my handrails are now immortal and their
finish is close to immortal. The covers were a minor addition to a new
dodger order, though there are online sources too.  I can't believe I didn't
do this sooner. 

 

Handrail covers are rare around here (I'm now the only one with them in my
50 boat marina), but every time I take them off to go sailing, and look at a
very nice shiny teak finish, looking just a perfect as the last time they
were uncovered, I don't understand why they are rare. For all the cost and
effort or replacing handrails eroded or sanded to oblivion, not to mention
the effort and cumulative cost of refinishing them, I would strongly
recommend getting covers.

 

and, BTW, this year I'm no longer sure why we live here.

 

Nate

"Sarah Jean"

1980 30-1

Siskiwit Bay Marina

Lake Superior

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:13 AM, djhaug...@juno.com 
wrote:

Hole saws...Wish I had thought of that!  I could have rigged a jig on the
drill press...

 

I used a band saw for the first two then used a strait bit on the router
table to get to the line.  I used a jig saw for the one 3rd one and was able
to much closer to the line.  I had noticed the hand made quality of the
originals and am quite happy with how they are turning out.  Mine aren't
matched though.  They are staggered and lag bolted separately inside and
out.  Having them matched that way hides the hardware nicely but, I makes
you remove and reset 2 handrails even if you have to repair only one.  I do
like the hidden hardware though.

 

I got the replacement form cut out last night.  Now I just need to route and
sand.  No more knots!

 

Danny



-- Original Message --
From: Chuck S 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:07:03 + (UTC)

Our boat has handrails on the cabin ceiling and out on the cabin top that
were made as a matched pair, through bolted together.
When I had my handrails off the boat, I could see they were made in pairs.
Each pair is made from a single piece of wood.  The carpenter used a hole
saw to match the inside curve of handhole and provide a starting point for a
sig saw.  Draw knife would probably be best for shaping.

When I refinished them, I used the fasteners to keep them paired up and they
are easier to sand and varnish that way.  I rigged lines to my shop ceiling
with large coat hanger hooks, to keep em at a working height.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

  _  

From: "D.Drake" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:22:04 PM

Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> So,
>
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were
A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on
center.
>
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one
as an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.
Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend
them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed
solid (you already know where this is going right?)
>
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.
I had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table
and the stupid thing broke!
>
> I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
>
> I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots
are good knots!
>
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
>
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
>
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
>
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see
the new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original
and never saw any attention.
>
> Oh, and my han

Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Nate Flesness]

So after several years of refinishing handrails annually (or maybe every
other year when I was sloppy), I finally added sunbrella handrail covers -
and based on one year's experience, my handrails are now immortal and their
finish is close to immortal. The covers were a minor addition to a new
dodger order, though there are online sources too.  I can't believe I
didn't do this sooner.

Handrail covers are rare around here (I'm now the only one with them in my
50 boat marina), but every time I take them off to go sailing, and look at
a very nice shiny teak finish, looking just a perfect as the last time they
were uncovered, I don't understand why they are rare. For all the cost and
effort or replacing handrails eroded or sanded to oblivion, not to mention
the effort and cumulative cost of refinishing them, I would strongly
recommend getting covers.

and, BTW, this year I'm no longer sure why we live here.

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:13 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Hole saws...Wish I had thought of that!  I could have rigged a jig on the
> drill press...
>
> I used a band saw for the first two then used a strait bit on the router
> table to get to the line.  I used a jig saw for the one 3rd one and was
> able to much closer to the line.  I had noticed the hand made quality of
> the originals and am quite happy with how they are turning out.  Mine
> aren't matched though.  They are staggered and lag bolted separately inside
> and out.  Having them matched that way hides the hardware nicely but, I
> makes you remove and reset 2 handrails even if you have to repair only one.
>  I do like the hidden hardware though.
>
> I got the replacement form cut out last night.  Now I just need to route
> and sand.  No more knots!
>
> Danny
>
>
> ------ Original Message --
> From: Chuck S 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:07:03 + (UTC)
>
> Our boat has handrails on the cabin ceiling and out on the cabin top that
> were made as a matched pair, through bolted together.
> When I had my handrails off the boat, I could see they were made in
> pairs.  Each pair is made from a single piece of wood.  The carpenter used
> a hole saw to match the inside curve of handhole and provide a starting
> point for a sig saw.  Draw knife would probably be best for shaping.
>
> When I refinished them, I used the fasteners to keep them paired up and
> they are easier to sand and varnish that way.  I rigged lines to my shop
> ceiling with large coat hanger hooks, to keep em at a working height.
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> --
> *From: *"D.Drake" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 15, 2013 9:22:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
>
> Mine broke as I was installing it !
> I feel your pain .
> I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones
>
> On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> > So,
> >
> > I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line
> were A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are
> 11.5" on center.
> >
> > I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards
> (one as an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and
> running.  Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I
> tried to bend them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and
> definitely seemed solid (you already know where this is going right?)
> >
> > I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of
> Sunday.  I had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off
> the table and the stupid thing broke!
> >
> > I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
> >
> > I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no
> knots are good knots!
> >
> > Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make
> one.
> >
> > Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
> >
> > http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
> >
> > http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
> >
> > http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
> >
> > You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see
> the new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original
> and never saw any attention.
> >
> > Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of
> through bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinkin

Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Hole saws...Wish I had thought of that!  I could have rigged a jig on the drill 
press... I used a band saw for the first two then used a strait bit on the 
router table to get to the line.  I used a jig saw for the one 3rd one and was 
able to much closer to the line.  I had noticed the hand made quality of the 
originals and am quite happy with how they are turning out.  Mine aren't 
matched though.  They are staggered and lag bolted separately inside and out.  
Having them matched that way hides the hardware nicely but, I makes you remove 
and reset 2 handrails even if you have to repair only one.  I do like the 
hidden hardware though. I got the replacement form cut out last night.  Now I 
just need to route and sand.  No more knots! Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Chuck S 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:07:03 + (UTC)


Our boat has handrails on the cabin ceiling and out on the cabin top that were 
made as a matched pair, through bolted together.
When I had my handrails off the boat, I could see they were made in pairs.  
Each pair is made from a single piece of wood.  The carpenter used a hole saw 
to match the inside curve of handhole and provide a starting point for a sig 
saw.  Draw knife would probably be best for shaping.

When I refinished them, I used the fasteners to keep them paired up and they 
are easier to sand and varnish that way.  I rigged lines to my shop ceiling 
with large coat hanger hooks, to keep em at a working height.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJFrom: "D.Drake" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:22:04 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> So,
>
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were 
> A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on 
> center.
>
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
> an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.  
> Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend 
> them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed 
> solid (you already know where this is going right?)
>
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  I 
> had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table 
> and the stupid thing broke!
>
> I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
>
> I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots 
> are good knots!
>
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
>
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
>
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
>
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
> new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original and 
> never saw any attention.
>
> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
> bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the same 
> thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish them at 
> home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 hours between 
> coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job.  Not 
> to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
> ___
> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>

-- 
D.Drake 73 Jensen Healey C&C 26

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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Really?

Got any photos?  That was suggested by another Viking owner.

Danny
-- Original Message --
From: "D.Drake" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:22:04 -0400

Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:
> So,
>
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were 
> A.) not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on 
> center.
>
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
> an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.  
> Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend 
> them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed 
> solid (you already know where this is going right?)
>
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  I 
> had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table 
> and the stupid thing broke!
>
> I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them
>
> I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots 
> are good knots!
>
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.
>
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...
>
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES
>
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38
>
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
> new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original and 
> never saw any attention.
>
> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
> bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the same 
> thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish them at 
> home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 hours between 
> coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job.  Not 
> to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[Chuck S]

Our boat has handrails on the cabin ceiling and out on the cabin top that were 
made as a matched pair, through bolted together. 
When I had my handrails off the boat, I could see they were made in pairs. Each 
pair is made from a single piece of wood. The carpenter used a hole saw to 
match the inside curve of handhole and provide a starting point for a sig saw. 
Draw knife would probably be best for shaping. 

When I refinished them, I used the fasteners to keep them paired up and they 
are easier to sand and varnish that way. I rigged lines to my shop ceiling with 
large coat hanger hooks, to keep em at a working height. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "D.Drake"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:22:04 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak 

Mine broke as I was installing it ! 
I feel your pain . 
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones 

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: 
> So, 
> 
> I decided to make new handrails for Lolita. All I could find on line were A.) 
> not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops. Mine are 11.5" on 
> center. 
> 
> I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as 
> an extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running. 
> Well, I noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend 
> them and twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed 
> solid (you already know where this is going right?) 
> 
> I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday. I 
> had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table 
> and the stupid thing broke! 
> 
> I was gutted! I guess better now than after I'd finished them 
> 
> I was all happy with how they were turning out. Lesson learned...no knots are 
> good knots! 
> 
> Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one. 
> 
> Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak... 
> 
> http://sdrv.ms/103PWto 
> 
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES 
> 
> http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38 
> 
> You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
> new ones next to the old ones. I'm willing to bet those are original and 
> never saw any attention. 
> 
> Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
> bolted. Anyone else have the same condition. I'm thinking I'll to the same 
> thing only with heavier lag bolts. This way I can completely finish them at 
> home and won't have any touch up work after the install. At 24 hours between 
> coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job. Not 
> to mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way! 
> 
> Danny 
> Lolita 
> 1973 Viking 33 
> Westport Point, MA 
> 
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> 

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Re: Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[D.Drake]

Mine broke as I was installing it !
I feel your pain .
I have since replaced the wood grab rails with Stainless ones

On 15/04/2013 8:32 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

So,

I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were A.) not long 
enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on center.

I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as an 
extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.  Well, I 
noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend them and twist 
them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed solid (you already know 
where this is going right?)

I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  I 
had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table and 
the stupid thing broke!

I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them

I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots are 
good knots!

Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.

Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...

http://sdrv.ms/103PWto

http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES

http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38

You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original and never 
saw any attention.

Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the same 
thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish them at 
home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 hours between 
coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job.  Not to 
mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA

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Stus-List - Handrail heartbreak

[djhaug...@juno.com]

So,

I decided to make new handrails for Lolita.  All I could find on line were A.) 
not long enough and B.) 12" on center for the loops.  Mine are 11.5" on center.

I go out Saturday morning and buy a couple 5" x 12' rough cut boards (one as an 
extra), buy myself a router and router table and I'm off and running.  Well, I 
noticed a couple knarly areas but they seemed solid, I tried to bend them and 
twist them and the knot was not well formed and definitely seemed solid (you 
already know where this is going right?)

I worked on these the rest of the day Saturday and a good part of Sunday.  I 
had just started finish sanding and the opposite end slipped off the table and 
the stupid thing broke!

I was gutted!  I guess better now than after I'd finished them

I was all happy with how they were turning out.  Lesson learned...no knots are 
good knots!

Well at least it won't take as long this time and I only have to make one.

Here are some links to the work and the heartbreak...

http://sdrv.ms/103PWto

http://sdrv.ms/17BaJES

http://sdrv.ms/17BaQ38

You can probably see why I felt new handrails were in order when you see the 
new ones next to the old ones.  I'm willing to bet those are original and never 
saw any attention.

Oh, and my handrails were lagged to the deck from below instead of through 
bolted.  Anyone else have the same condition.  I'm thinking I'll to the same 
thing only with heavier lag bolts.  This way I can completely finish them at 
home and won't have any touch up work after the install.  At 24 hours between 
coats and doing the suggested 8 coats, thats a real time consuming job.  Not to 
mention a lot of gas a 30 miles each way!

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA

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