Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
David, Well said. I am learning late in life that many wives don't appreciate when a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking through a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes my wife anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she usually asks to go somewhere for a swim. I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is very similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over twenty five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his wonderful country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days in Holland while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed most sailboat crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white haired couples and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I had a great time sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when the boat was making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were having fun, "The girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we sailed w just the 110% downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. On the return, we had 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken longer, causing us to miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed main making 8.3 knots. The main steadied the boat so she maintained momentum and sliced better through the waves. I remember playing w the vang to get a better shape to the top of the sail, because the boat had no traveller. The girls would have hated it. So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on the rail when the wind pipes up. No matter how much I tell my wife that the lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there worried.. My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore. The few times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it. We tried her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it and typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing skills. Obviously, she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed before. My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the marina. (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but much needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds. I figure (Hope) she'll be more receptive to the instructor's advice and instructions. I think if we can get her busy on the boat, she'll enjoy it better. -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing ground. I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
How comfortable is she sailing the boat? Having sailed with a number of girlfriends, I found the more comfortable they were at the helm, the less concerned they were with heeling, gusts etc. Have you tried giving her the wheel? She can control the heel and you can ease sheets. FWIW, When I taught sailing, I stonrgly recommended that spouses be in different boats because the wives learned and did more. Perhaps she would benefit from lessons from a friend or sailing school? Joel On Saturday, September 20, 2014, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > David, > Well said. I am learning late in life that *many* wives don't appreciate > when a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". > And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking > through a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes > my wife anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she > usually asks to go somewhere for a swim. > > I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is > very similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over > twenty five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his > wonderful country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days > in Holland while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed > most sailboat crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white > haired couples and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I > had a great time sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when > the boat was making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were > having fun, "The girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we > sailed w just the 110% downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. > On the return, we had 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken > longer, causing us to miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed > main making 8.3 knots. The main steadied the boat so she maintained > momentum and sliced better through the waves. I remember playing w the > vang to get a better shape to the top of the sail, because the boat had no > traveller. The girls would have hated it. > > So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
I completely agree with Joel. I am one of those wives who doesn't like a lot off boat heel. I recognize that it is completely illogical and I do try to push myself. I have found that when the wind picks up I do much much better when I am on the helm- that way I can pinch when I feel uncomfortable. My husband is also really good about reducing sail when I ask. Having a sense of control makes all the difference. Joanne Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:09 AM To: Chuck S, Ron Casciato via CnC-List How comfortable is she sailing the boat? Having sailed with a number of girlfriends, I found the more comfortable they were at the helm, the less concerned they were with heeling, gusts etc. Have you tried giving her the wheel? She can control the heel and you can ease sheets. FWIW, When I taught sailing, I stonrgly recommended that spouses be in different boats because the wives learned and did more. Perhaps she would benefit from lessons from a friend or sailing school? Joel On Saturday, September 20, 2014, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: David, Well said. I am learning late in life that many wives don't appreciate when a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking through a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes my wife anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she usually asks to go somewhere for a swim. I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is very similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over twenty five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his wonderful country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days in Holland while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed most sailboat crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white haired couples and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I had a great time sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when the boat was making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were having fun, "The girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we sailed w just the 110% downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. On the return, we had 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken longer, causing us to miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed main making 8.3 knots. The main steadied the boat so she maintained momentum and sliced better through the waves. I remember playing w the vang to get a better shape to the top of the sail, because the boat had no traveller. The girls would have hated it. So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Great advice Joel. I would add that the lessons ideally should be in a smaller, but stable boat. Lessons and time out on our fleet of Ideal 18 (18ft keelboats) transformed my Admiral. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:09, Joel Aronson via CnC-List > wrote: > > > How comfortable is she sailing the boat? Having sailed with a number of > girlfriends, I found the more comfortable they were at the helm, the less > concerned they were with heeling, gusts etc. Have you tried giving her the > wheel? She can control the heel and you can ease sheets. > > FWIW, When I taught sailing, I stonrgly recommended that spouses be in > different boats because the wives learned and did more. > > Perhaps she would benefit from lessons from a friend or sailing school? > > Joel > > > >> On Saturday, September 20, 2014, Chuck S via CnC-List >> wrote: >> David, >> Well said. I am learning late in life that many wives don't appreciate when >> a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". >> And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking through >> a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes my wife >> anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she usually asks >> to go somewhere for a swim. >> >> I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is very >> similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over twenty >> five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his wonderful >> country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days in Holland >> while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed most sailboat >> crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white haired couples >> and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I had a great time >> sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when the boat was >> making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were having fun, "The >> girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we sailed w just the 110% >> downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. On the return, we had >> 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken longer, causing us to >> miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed main making 8.3 knots. >> The main steadied the boat so she maintained momentum and sliced better >> through the waves. I remember playing w the vang to get a better shape to >> the top of the sail, because the boat had no traveller. The girls would >> have hated it. >> >> So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Ditto all the other comments. For my wife, it was lessons with a captain to learn docking skills (she almost always docks now), working the main during races, and most importantly, a "friend" who made fun of her one day. It wasn't so funny at the time but certainly motivated her. 20 years and about 10,000 miles later she can more than hold her own against experienced sailors. And yes, she took more than her share of night watches offshore. Love that woman! John Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Indigo via CnC-List > wrote: > > Great advice Joel. I would add that the lessons ideally should be in a > smaller, but stable boat. Lessons and time out on our fleet of Ideal 18 > (18ft keelboats) transformed my Admiral. > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > >> On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:09, Joel Aronson via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> >> How comfortable is she sailing the boat? Having sailed with a number of >> girlfriends, I found the more comfortable they were at the helm, the less >> concerned they were with heeling, gusts etc. Have you tried giving her the >> wheel? She can control the heel and you can ease sheets. >> >> FWIW, When I taught sailing, I stonrgly recommended that spouses be in >> different boats because the wives learned and did more. >> >> Perhaps she would benefit from lessons from a friend or sailing school? >> >> Joel >> >> >> >>> On Saturday, September 20, 2014, Chuck S via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> David, >>> Well said. I am learning late in life that many wives don't appreciate >>> when a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". >>> And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking >>> through a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes >>> my wife anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she >>> usually asks to go somewhere for a swim. >>> >>> I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is very >>> similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over twenty >>> five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his wonderful >>> country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days in Holland >>> while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed most >>> sailboat crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white haired >>> couples and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I had a >>> great time sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when the >>> boat was making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were having >>> fun, "The girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we sailed w >>> just the 110% downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. On the >>> return, we had 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken >>> longer, causing us to miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed >>> main making 8.3 knots. The main steadied the boat so she maintained >>> momentum and sliced better through the waves. I remember playing w the >>> vang to get a better shape to the top of the sail, because the boat had no >>> traveller. The girls would have hated it. >>> >>> So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Maybe you're luckier than you think. One of the first times Deborah and I sailed together I was down at the navstation figuring out "nav" stuff. Deborah was steering and, in a calm, gentle voice from the helm, asked "should the toe rail be under water?" I shoulda known I was in trouble right then. A few years ago, we were in the Gulf off Dauphin Island, Alabama . The admiral was driving and I was trimming (155% headsail only). Winds were mid-teens on the beam. We were heeled 15-20 degrees. Deborah had one foot on the cockpit sole and one foot on the coaming. She kept watching the knotmeter. 7.6! Trim! Trim! 7.8! Yay! New personal record. Trim! Trim! 8.0! 8 knots! Awesome. Trim! Trim! We finally got to 8.5 knots. Another new personal best for her. By this time I was worn out from trimming. The next day she wanted to race another sailboat up a section of the ICW in Mississippi Sound. I was trying to enjoy the cruise and drink coffee. She again urged me to trim, trim, trim. So, be careful what you ask for. :) Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > David, > Well said. I am learning late in life that *many* wives don't appreciate > when a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". > And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking > through a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes > my wife anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she > usually asks to go somewhere for a swim. > > I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is > very similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over > twenty five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his > wonderful country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days > in Holland while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed > most sailboat crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white > haired couples and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I > had a great time sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when > the boat was making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were > having fun, "The girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we > sailed w just the 110% downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. > On the return, we had 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken > longer, causing us to miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed > main making 8.3 knots. The main steadied the boat so she maintained > momentum and sliced better through the waves. I remember playing w the > vang to get a better shape to the top of the sail, because the boat had no > traveller. The girls would have hated it. > > So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
I have been trying to get my wife to take a competent crew course with the same instructor I had. She is reluctant to take the helm but will handle sheets. She does help with docking when she is aboard too. A couple of weeks ago we had a good blow for us with winds steady around 18kts and gusting to about 23. We had a long beat and were on port tack for awhile. As she wasn't enjoying the cockpit experience she went below and proceeded to fall asleep. She is getting better it is only our second year with the boat, I have to be patient. We really enjoy the time at anchor I try to do more of that the days she is out with me. I found my youngest son did better when I forced him to take the helm while I had my lunch one afternoon. We were sailing up wind and as he had to steer to the tell tales he was pretty busy and didn't notice we were heeling. So yes the "having something to do" is good advice. I think part of my problem is even though I have the most tender of the C&C family she doesn't have a tendency to round up even when severly pressed. I am used to it more than the rest of the family I guess and when I know the boat is in that "groove" I am reluctant to ease the traveller down or let main sheet out. Having said that I am often surprised and a little perplexed when we speed up with what I think is a large bubble in the mainsail David Donnelly C&C 26 Mistress Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On September 20, 2014 9:09:37 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: How comfortable is she sailing the boat? Having sailed with a number of girlfriends, I found the more comfortable they were at the helm, the less concerned they were with heeling, gusts etc. Have you tried giving her the wheel? She can control the heel and you can ease sheets. FWIW, When I taught sailing, I stonrgly recommended that spouses be in different boats because the wives learned and did more. Perhaps she would benefit from lessons from a friend or sailing school? Joel On Saturday, September 20, 2014, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > David, > Well said. I am learning late in life that *many* wives don't appreciate > when a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". > And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking > through a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes > my wife anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she > usually asks to go somewhere for a swim. > > I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is > very similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over > twenty five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his > wonderful country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days > in Holland while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed > most sailboat crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white > haired couples and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I > had a great time sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when > the boat was making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were > having fun, "The girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we > sailed w just the 110% downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. > On the return, we had 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken > longer, causing us to miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed > main making 8.3 knots. The main steadied the boat so she maintained > momentum and sliced better through the waves. I remember playing w the > vang to get a better shape to the top of the sail, because the boat had no > traveller. The girls would have hated it. > > So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Years after my wife sailed with me from Hawaii to Seattle and San Francisco (79 and 81) she was able to articulate the difference in her perception of the trips and mine. Sailing conditions I recall as "great" and "a good adventure" she perceived as "frightening" and "terrifying". As others have mentioned the extra training in how to handle a sail boat and use the radio, auxiliary power, and how to dock with out damage could help change frightening to fun. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Chuck S via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:15 AM To: David Donnelly; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans David, Well said. I am learning late in life that many wives don't appreciate when a sailboat heels or as mine says, ". . . don't like when it leans". And what I find challenging and fun about sailing like short tacking through a narrow channel or sailing hard on the wind close hauled, causes my wife anxiety or grief. Just when the wind starts getting good, she usually asks to go somewhere for a swim. I recently went sailing w a friend with the same problem. His wife is very similar to mine. We've all been friends since before we married over twenty five years ago. He wanted to show off his new boat and his wonderful country of Holland. His plan; the guys went sailing for 10 days in Holland while the wives went touring by car through France. I noticed most sailboat crews were guys, many skippers were alone, a very few white haired couples and the same number of twenty-ish couples. My friend and I had a great time sailing whenever possible and remarked several times when the boat was making 8 to 9 knots and heeled to 25 degrees, and we were having fun, "The girls would hate this." One leg on the North Sea, we sailed w just the 110% downwind in 27 knots wind making 9 knots boatspeed. On the return, we had 18 to 20 knots on the nose. Sailing would have taken longer, causing us to miss getting a slip, so we motorsailed w a reefed main making 8.3 knots. The main steadied the boat so she maintained momentum and sliced better through the waves. I remember playing w the vang to get a better shape to the top of the sail, because the boat had no traveller. The girls would have hated it. So, I'm looking for suggestions to keep both the boat and the wife, happy. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling, so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15 dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove the IMSA 911) Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a first place trophy from a few years back). Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not close to the waves. As I said, I'm lucky. Gary - Original Message - From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on the rail when the wind pipes up. No matter how much I tell my wife that the lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there worried.. My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore. The few times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it. We tried her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it and typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing skills. Obviously, she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed before. My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the marina. (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but much needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds. I figure (Hope) she'll be more receptive to the instructor's advice and instructions. I think if we can get her busy on the boat, she'll enjoy it better. -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
All, I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips: 1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may create the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort level will increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under the control of you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on safety concerns, and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking it by pretending to enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the delight of you and others will go a long way. 2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and control. And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle while she’s driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are. 3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917. Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason why they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars. 4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David Risch, possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very quick to point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were all Diane’s idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to look fabulous, but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having them there, for her, will make the boat that much more inviting to her. Good move, David. And yes, the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too (but way more manly than the ones David has.) :-) 5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because, frankly, she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other guys about how you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a leaking bilge pump. And, surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not talking about fashion, flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but about their experiences on their boats — the exciting times, the scary times and how they felt when things went wrong. They won’t feel alone and they will enjoy it all, even the heeling, that much more. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote: > I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling, > so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15 > dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and back > - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove the IMSA > 911) > > Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner > of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a first > place trophy from a few years back). > > Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many > summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was > over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not > close to the waves. > > As I said, I'm lucky. > > Gary > - Original Message - > From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM > Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) > > The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on > the rail when the wind pipes up. No matter how much I tell my wife that the > lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a boat > that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there worried.. > > My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore. The few > times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it. We tried > her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it and > typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try > to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing skills. > Obviously, she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed before. > > My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the > marina. (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but much > needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds. I figure > (Hope) she'll be more recept
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Some great advice! My wife, a very reluctant sailor, sought advice years ago from Edwin Gaynor (RIP). She did not act on his advice - which was " go racing" until this year. Made all the difference - along with sailing with girl friends on the Ideal 18s. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:26, Edd Schillay via CnC-List > wrote: > > All, > > I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips: > > 1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may > create the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort level > will increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under the > control of you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on safety > concerns, and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking it by > pretending to enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the delight of > you and others will go a long way. > > 2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and control. > And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle while she’s > driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are. > > 3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board: > http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917. > Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s > comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a > comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason > why they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars. > > 4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David Risch, > possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very quick to > point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were all Diane’s > idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to look fabulous, > but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having them there, for > her, will make the boat that much more inviting to her. Good move, David. And > yes, the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too (but way more manly than > the ones David has.) :-) > > 5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because, frankly, > she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other guys about > how you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a leaking bilge pump. > And, surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not talking about fashion, > flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but about their experiences on > their boats — the exciting times, the scary times and how they felt when > things went wrong. They won’t feel alone and they will enjoy it all, even the > heeling, that much more. > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log > > > >> On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling, >> so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15 >> dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and >> back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove >> the IMSA 911) >> >> Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner >> of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a >> first place trophy from a few years back). >> >> Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many >> summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was >> over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not >> close to the waves. >> >> As I said, I'm lucky. >> >> Gary >> - Original Message - >> From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM >> Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans >> >> I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) >> >> The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on >> the rail when the wind pipes up. No matter how much I tell my wife that the >> lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a >> boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there >> worried.. >> >> My
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Just don't ask her to go up the mast to retrieve a halyard! Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote: > Some great advice! My wife, a very reluctant sailor, sought advice years > ago from Edwin Gaynor (RIP). She did not act on his advice - which was " go > racing" until this year. Made all the difference - along with sailing with > girl friends on the Ideal 18s. > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:26, Edd Schillay via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > All, > > I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips: > > 1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may > create the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort > level will increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under > the control of you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on > safety concerns, and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking > it by pretending to enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the > delight of you and others will go a long way. > > 2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and > control. And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle > while she’s driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are. > > 3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board: > http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917. > Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s > comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a > comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason > why they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars. > > 4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David > Risch, possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very > quick to point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were > all Diane’s idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to > look fabulous, but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having > them there, for her, will make the boat that much more inviting to her. > Good move, David. And yes, the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too > (but way more manly than the ones David has.) :-) > > 5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because, > frankly, she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other > guys about how you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a > leaking bilge pump. And, surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not > talking about fashion, flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but > about their experiences on their boats — the exciting times, the scary > times and how they felt when things went wrong. They won’t feel alone and > they will enjoy it all, even the heeling, that much more. > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> > > > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything > thrilling, so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our > Coronado 15 dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa > Monica and back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then > co-drove the IMSA 911) > > Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the > co-owner of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet > (has a first place trophy from a few years back). > > Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After > many summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the > wind was over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail > is not close to the waves. > > As I said, I'm lucky. > > Gary > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM > *Subject:* Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > >I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) > >The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang >out on the rail when the wind pipes up. No matter how much I tell my wife >that the lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge >for a boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising s
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Ha! My wife prefers being hoisted in a bosun’s chair, even though she’s so-so
on sailing.
That comes from many years of roller coasters and other thrill rides.
First time one of us had to go up, I offered her a choice. Her reply was, “I’m
not going to do all of the work while you sit in that chair telling me what to
do. You crank me up the mast!”
Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:53 PM
To: Indigo ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Just don't ask her to go up the mast to retrieve a halyard!
Joel
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Indigo via CnC-List
wrote:
Some great advice! My wife, a very reluctant sailor, sought advice years ago
from Edwin Gaynor (RIP). She did not act on his advice - which was " go racing"
until this year. Made all the difference - along with sailing with girl friends
on the Ideal 18s.
--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:26, Edd Schillay via CnC-List
wrote:
All,
I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips:
1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may
create the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort level
will increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under the
control of you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on safety
concerns, and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking it by
pretending to enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the delight of you
and others will go a long way.
2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and
control. And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle while
she’s driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are.
3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board:
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917.
Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s
comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a
comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason why
they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars.
4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David
Risch, possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very
quick to point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were all
Diane’s idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to look
fabulous, but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having them there,
for her, will make the boat that much more inviting to her. Good move, David.
And yes, the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too (but way more manly than
the ones David has.) :-)
5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because,
frankly, she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other guys
about how you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a leaking bilge
pump. And, surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not talking about
fashion, flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but about their
experiences on their boats — the exciting times, the scary times and how they
felt when things went wrong. They won’t feel alone and they will enjoy it all,
even the heeling, that much more.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List
wrote:
I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything
thrilling, so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our
Coronado 15 dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa
Monica and back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then
co-drove the IMSA 911)
Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the
co-owner of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has
a first place trophy from a few years back).
Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After
many summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind
was over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not
close to the waves.
As I said, I'm lucky.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM
Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
I'm in the same boat (Pun intended)
The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang
Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Seems to me you guys confer the title "Admiral" far too easily.just try to make it a fun activity, racing can be fun for some but in my experience not for all.warmth is important so get good gear. concentrate on reaching legs, close reaches, beam reaches and broad reaches are easy, fast and fun.chose your crew carefully.not everyone enjoys being on the water Dwight Veinot C&C 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: September 22, 2014 1:39 PM To: Jean-Francois J Rivard; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling, so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15 dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove the IMSA 911) Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a first place trophy from a few years back). Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not close to the waves. As I said, I'm lucky. Gary - Original Message - From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on the rail when the wind pipes up. No matter how much I tell my wife that the lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there worried.. My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore. The few times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it. We tried her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it and typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing skills. Obviously, she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed before. My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the marina. (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but much needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds. I figure (Hope) she'll be more receptive to the instructor's advice and instructions. I think if we can get her busy on the boat, she'll enjoy it better. -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia _ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8224 - Release Date: 09/16/14 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Francois: The only other suggestion is to make something on the boat “hers”, something she will ultimately know better than you. In my wife’s case, its handling under power. It could be anything. Another thing you can try is having a “goal”, something that can only be accomplished by the two of you as equals working together. Perhaps a double-handed overnight or a race. Its no fun always being the first officer with no hope of promotion. John On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: > I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. > > Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw > something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be > screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of > screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) > > Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. > > Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut > from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just > show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, > too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing > ground. > > I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into > the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than > sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, > when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, > so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. > > On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by > someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the > workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... > > I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... > > -Francois > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia. > > > > > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I heard of a boat named "Ruthless". The guy's wife's name was Ruth. Then there was the famous race boat, "FUJIMO". IIRC it stands for "F*#$k you Judy I'm moving on." Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing ground. I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. > > Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw > something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be > screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of > screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) > > Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. > > Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the > gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out > sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they > say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then > I'm loosing ground. > > I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not > into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun > than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the > lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit > coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going > on. > > On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by > someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the > workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... > > I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... > > -Francois > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia. > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
I agree with Dennis, I sent my wife through the Womanship Sailing program in 1982. She spent a week in the USVI with 7 other women. Returned with a boat load of enthusiasm and has not lost her love for sailing. She on to successfully campaign her J-24 all over the Southeastern USA as well as sailed/raced our C&C 39 TM on her own numerous times both with our usual mostly male crew and with her all women J 24 crew. She currently holds a USCG 200 ton masters license with endorsements to boot. The money was well spent.. Jack Fitzgerald HONEY US12788 C&C 39 TM Savannah, GA Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald, export manager Fitzgerald Forwarding Co. Inc. FMC license no:1966F 260 Oatland Island Road, Savannah, GA 31410 USA Tel. no: 912 898.1069 - Fax no: 912 898.9458 Email*: j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com www.fitzgeraldforwarding.com **PLEASE REMOVE honeys...@aol.com FROM YOUR ADDRESS BOOK AND IMMEDIATELY ADD j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com * On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long > ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a > coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional > support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are > it will be a much more positive experience for her. > > I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the > only way to learn sailing. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. >> >> Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw >> something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be >> screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of >> screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) >> >> Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. >> >> Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the >> gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out >> sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they >> say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then >> I'm loosing ground. >> >> I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not >> into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun >> than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the >> lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit >> coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going >> on. >> >> On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by >> someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the >> workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... >> >> I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... >> >> -Francois >> 1990 34+ "Take Five" >> Lake Lanier, Georgia. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
What do you guys do when cruising? I often hand over the helm when we are heading across the Bay and then tell her where we want to go (follow the line on the screen.) and then take a nap or do something down below. Just ask her to alert you if there is something she doesn't understand. If you go off course somewhat, so what (in the middle of the Bay)! She should be as good as you in seeing obstacles and such. If the boat heels, then alter course so it doesn't do that so much (for a while). Pretty soon, she will tire of having to be so alert and give it back or she won't and then you'll have to negotiate. For the last few years, we have made a trip to Baltimore - about 35-40 miles. I drive up to Kent Narrows and weave our way through the buoys and under the bridge. When we are in clear water, I am done. She drives to the river entrance and if we are lucky, all the way up to town. Last year, it was a broad reach turning into a close reach all the way - no tacks for 20+ miles. She drove. And then did most of the way back. Gary - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans I heard of a boat named "Ruthless". The guy's wife's name was Ruth. Then there was the famous race boat, "FUJIMO". IIRC it stands for "F*#$k you Judy I'm moving on." Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing ground. I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia. -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim > On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" > wrote: > > Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies > only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed > group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional > support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are > it will be a much more positive experience for her. > > I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only > way to learn sailing. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List >> wrote: >> I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. >> >> Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw >> something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be >> screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of >> screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) >> >> Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. >> >> Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut >> from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, >> just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is >> too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm >> loosing ground. >> >> I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into >> the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than >> sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, >> when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, >> so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. >> >> On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by >> someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the >> workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... >> >> I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... >> >> -Francois >> 1990 34+ "Take Five" >> Lake Lanier, Georgia. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing ground. I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession C&C 37/40+ Sent from my iPad > On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List > wrote: > > Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the > Caribbean. > > A friend went - loved it. > > Gary > - Original Message - > From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List > To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > Dennis / others, > > Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm > and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent > crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, > I'd be interested in your opinions too. > > Thanks, > > Tim > >> On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> >> Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long >> ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a >> coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional >> support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are >> it will be a much more positive experience for her. >> >> I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only >> way to learn sailing. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. >>> >>> Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw >>> something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be >>> screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of >>> screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) >>> >>> Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. >>> >>> Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the >>> gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out >>> sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they >>> say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then >>> I'm loosing ground. >>> >>> I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not >>> into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun >>> than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the >>> lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit >>> coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going >>> on. >>> >>> On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by >>> someone else andunderstands better what's going on she'll get into >>> the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... >>> >>> I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... >>> >>> -Francois >>> 1990 34+ "Take Five" >>> Lake Lanier, Georgia. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> &g
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, "do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming." She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" To: "Gary Nylander" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession C&C 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really care
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Chuck
You are lucky that your wife likes being aboard the boat. Sounds like you have
a good system worked out
Mike
Persistence
(as usual not a C&C)
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:44 PM
To: Us; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl.
Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like
that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing
course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've
had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or
anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My
daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off.
He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the
boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I
assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to
what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be
heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved
steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do
anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone.
My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive
and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent
becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost
crying something like, "do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a
place to go swimming."
She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to
take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler
when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna
order that tow toy.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
To: "Gary Nylander" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Ok, here's a response from a woman.
I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England
and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for
C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really
shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat.
Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a
spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you
see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you
relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every
second.
I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly
see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level
of confidence.
I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and
good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as
well...
Joanne Mocny
S/V Obsession
C&C 37/40+
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List
wrote:
Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in
the Caribbean.
A friend went - loved it.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: Dennis C. <mailto:capt...@gmail.com> ;
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard <mailto:jfriv...@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Dennis / others,
Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably
somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from
very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other
female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too.
Thanks,
Tim
On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"
wrote:
Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Relationships are compromise and tolerance. I have several sailing buddies whose wives won't go near a boat. At least they're honest and candid about their position. I have two friends whose ladies were interested in the boats while they were dating. Once they were wed, the ladies lost interest. On the other hand, I have sailing friends that use their boats as their "man cave". I'd say that if Curtis' lady has stuck around for 30+ years, he's doing a lot of things right. Good on ya, Curtis. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:15 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" > wrote: > > Chuck > > You are lucky that your wife likes being aboard the boat. Sounds like you > have a good system worked out > > Mike > Persistence > (as usual not a C&C) > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S > via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:44 PM > To: Us; CNC boat owners, cnc-list > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. > Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like > that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing > course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've > had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or > anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My > daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right > off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've > raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time > ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which > line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice > except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer > and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, > didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I > do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots > when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 > degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and > lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, "do you have to make it > lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming." > > She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire > to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a > trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. > I'm gonna order that tow toy. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > To: "Gary Nylander" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > Ok, here's a response from a woman. > > I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England > and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love > for C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what > really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. > > Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a > spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you > see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you > relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every > second. > > I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly > see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher > level of confidence. > > I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient > and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help > as well... > > Joanne Mocny > S/V Obsession > C&C 37/40+ > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List > wrote: > > Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the > Caribbean. > > A friend went - loved it. > > Gary > - Original Message - > From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List > To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc:
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
My partner never sailed until she met me. I bought my C&C24 5 years ago, 3
years into our relationship. She was game to try sailing, but the 1st day out
the winds were about 20 knots.
That's a bigger deal on Lake Champlain because the chop is so short compared to
bigger water.
You can really get banged around at 20 knots.
I purposely took it easy, but she still hit the deck screaming when we heeled
over. It didn't matter that I pointed out the local yacht club boats racing
near us and how much more they were heeled over than us. For the next 3 years
sailing friends would ask what kind of a day on the lake we had and they would
know when I said, "It was a 3 screamer" (a good day, for me), or "A one
screamer" (a pretty boring sail). It was so common that I finally named the
boat because of it. I originally wanted an Irish name (I'm an Irish citizen,
dual actually). Someone suggested Screaming Banshee, because of Kathy's
screaming. I liked it at first, but Screaming might imply to people that I have
a fast boat (not the case with me sailing her as a cruiser), so I named her
Banshee, which also happens to be an Irish fairy maiden, that warns of
impending doom ("welcome aboard, you'll be fine"). Kathy's screams have
subsided to the point that we're naming the dinghy after her new sound, Low
Pitiful Moan.
The message is, given enough time and experience, it subsides.
Ed
> On Sep 24, 2014, at 8:39 AM, "Dennis C." wrote:
>
> Relationships are compromise and tolerance.
>
> I have several sailing buddies whose wives won't go near a boat. At least
> they're honest and candid about their position.
>
> I have two friends whose ladies were interested in the boats while they were
> dating. Once they were wed, the ladies lost interest.
>
> On the other hand, I have sailing friends that use their boats as their "man
> cave".
>
> I'd say that if Curtis' lady has stuck around for 30+ years, he's doing a lot
> of things right. Good on ya, Curtis.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:15 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List"
>> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> You are lucky that your wife likes being aboard the boat. Sounds like you
>> have a good system worked out
>>
>> Mike
>> Persistence
>> (as usual not a C&C)
>>
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:44 PM
>> To: Us; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl.
>> Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't
>> like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a
>> sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+
>> years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under
>> power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting
>> up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing
>> right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me.
>> I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st
>> time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain
>> which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my
>> voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to
>> steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a
>> ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all
>> like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10
>> knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to
>> 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and
>> lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, "do you have to make it
>> lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming."
>>
>> She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire
>> to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a
>> trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there.
>> I'm gonna order that tow toy.
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>>
>> From: "
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Chuck, It sounds like you really need to own two boats. A trawler around 36 - 42 feet for trips with the wife, and a C&C 25, 27, or 30 that you and your son can race relatively I expensively and also daysail when the wife isn't along. Take heart. It has been said that all of us will end up in a trawler as we get into our 70s (and in a land yacht after that), so you would just be getting ahead of the curve. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad > On Sep 23, 2014, at 22:44, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. > Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like > that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing > course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've > had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or > anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My > daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right > off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've > raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time > ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which > line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice > except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer > and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, > didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I > do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots > when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 > degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and > lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, "do you have to make it > lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming." > > She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire > to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a > trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. > I'm gonna order that tow toy. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > To: "Gary Nylander" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > Ok, here's a response from a woman. > > I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England > and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love > for C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what > really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. > > Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a > spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you > see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you > relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every > second. > > I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly > see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher > level of confidence. > > I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient > and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help > as well... > > Joanne Mocny > S/V Obsession > C&C 37/40+ > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List > wrote: > > Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the > Caribbean. > > A friend went - loved it. > > Gary > - Original Message - > From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List > To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > Dennis / others, > > Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm > and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent > crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, > I'd be interested in your opinions too. > > Thanks, > > Tim > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" > wrote: > > Don't
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
or a cat! On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Chuck, > > It sounds like you really need to own two boats. A trawler around 36 - 42 > feet for trips with the wife, and a C&C 25, 27, or 30 that you and your son > can race relatively I expensively and also daysail when the wife isn't > along. > > Take heart. It has been said that all of us will end up in a trawler as we > get into our 70s (and in a land yacht after that), so you would just be > getting ahead of the curve. > > Rick Brass > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 22:44, Chuck S via CnC-List > wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. > Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't > like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a > sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ > years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under > power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or > rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took > to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves > racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won > regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I > can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it > and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel > and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests > who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the > autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style > until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making > 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then > we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something > like, "do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go > swimming." > > She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no > desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat > like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not > there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > -- > *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > *To: *"Gary Nylander" , "CNC boat owners, > cnc-list" > *Sent: *Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > Ok, here's a response from a woman. > > I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New > England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where > my love for C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing > but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. > > Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with > a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, > you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it > you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving > every second. > > I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might > certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a > higher level of confidence. > > I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very > patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be > happy to help as well... > > Joanne Mocny > S/V Obsession > C&C 37/40+ > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the > Caribbean. > > A friend went - loved it. > > Gary > > - Original Message - > *From:* Tim Goodyear via CnC-List > *To:* Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Jean-Francois J Rivard > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans > > Dennis / others, > > Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere > warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very > competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other >
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Chuck, we need to get the wives together! My wife doesn't like it either, but she does put up with it. Fortunately, she explained she has every confidence in me and the boat. I might be white knuckled at the helm, worrying about my 40 year old boat, while she's curled up in a corner of the cockpit reading a book! She absolutely hates to race but reluctantly crews my Comet, but only because our son and fiance' are sailing theirs. Might be on the river this Saturday. Should be a nice weekend! Chris Price Pradel 35 Mk I - Original Message - From: "Chuck S via CnC-List" To: "Us" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:44:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, "do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming." She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" To: "Gary Nylander" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for C&C began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession C&C 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary ----- Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class.
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Interesting thread this one. My oldest son loves sailing but my youngest son (20) can't stand the heeling. My wife of 1+ years has taken to it just fine and has been my helmslady for fall racing going on 3 years now. When I am taking novice guests out, it has sometimes helped to put in a reef even if not needed (or 2nd reef as required) to make things comfy for them. Maybe roll up a bit of headsail too. What may be a bit dull for you might be quite exhilarating for others . . . Cheers Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl C&C 34 Lions Head ON > On Sep 23, 2014, at 22:44, Chuck S via CnC-List > > wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. > Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she > doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not > interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and > been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she > likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the > social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My > son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his > college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat > without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, > so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which > line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my > voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached > them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who > just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the > autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that > style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we > start making > 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and > then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying > something like, "do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a > place to go swimming." > > She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no > desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our > boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not > there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
