Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever

[Andreas Kemnade]

Hi,


> The only thing I notice, in our (community) work is that today we have a
> LOT of applications doing gpx recording (going with memory, I remember
> TangoGPS, BikeAtor, Navit, probably also GPS Sight and Mumpot). Some
> applications have a database to insert POIs (like TangoGPS), but still
> doesn't exists something integrating all the features we
> (OSMmappers/surveyors) need.
> 
Intregrating such things is on my todo list for mumpot. For now,
I mark start and end points of a way while cycling on it (in between I
select the highway class), 
osm data is directly created and take a photo of street signs
or other things which I do not directly map on the place
(perhaps for the name of a POI, or if the POI is
not in my presets).
Sometimes I stop to do some correction or manual editing.
I upload the osm data on the go directly from mumpot.

At home (on the next day or so) I download the osm data for the area again
in JOSM and add the street names and other stuff from the photos.

I really think an integrated solution would be best because
then you do not need to switch between applications all the time
and the space on the screen is limited. So doing voice recording
could be a kind of "fallback" which can be activated on every
object insertion if the presets are not enough.
I'm also thinking about using buttons in the headset for example
to start recording, or especially on the bicycle scenario,
what about extra buttons on the handlebar? 


Greetings
Andreas Kemnade


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Re: Ain't it funny..

[Steve Mosher]

 Hi Dale.

I got a note from the people who handle these issues. In looking 
through our store records
we were unable to find any order from you at openmoko.com. That 
doesn't mean
you haven't purchased a phone. If you could, provide me with the 
details of your
purchase. Who you bought it from and when. Also, if you take the 
battery out
you'll see a IMEI number and a serial number. That will help with 
tracking as
well. So send those along as well.

 Best Regards

Steve

st...@openmoko.com

Dale Maggee wrote:
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> Guten Tag, Sieg Heil.
>
> Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's
> been around for a while called "Free speech"... you know, as opposed to
> "free beer".
>
> "Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was
> Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour
> of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise,
> you're not in favour of free speech." - Noam Chomsky
>
> I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part
> to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves.
>
> If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you:
> "Email filter". But I'm not going anywhere.
>
>
> (Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my
> use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your
> people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most
> beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects
> that... :) )
>
>
> jeremy jozwik wrote:
>   
>> seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not
>> going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee  wrote:
>> arne anka wrote:
>> 
>> Bitter much? : )
>> 
> nope. he's just a troll.
>
>   
>> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
>>
>> Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by
>> OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited.
>>
>> It was worse than 2007.2. I was told  that 2008.12 would be much better.
>> So I waited.
>>
>> Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a
>> bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone.
>>
>> When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long
>> since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I
>> waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would
>> eventually get a working phone.
>>
>>
>> I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were
>> legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to
>> demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it
>> would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were
>> required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based
>> overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it.
>>
>> In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws
>> they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing
>> to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*.
>>
>> Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if
>> you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so
>> have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around
>> pretending that being raped is all fun and games.
>>
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Re: Ain't it funny..

[Dale Maggee]

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Guten Tag, Sieg Heil.

Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's
been around for a while called "Free speech"... you know, as opposed to
"free beer".

"Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was
Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour
of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise,
you're not in favour of free speech." - Noam Chomsky

I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part
to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves.

If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you:
"Email filter". But I'm not going anywhere.


(Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my
use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your
people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most
beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects
that... :) )


jeremy jozwik wrote:
> seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not
> going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee  wrote:
> arne anka wrote:
> Bitter much? : )
 nope. he's just a troll.

> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
> 
> Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by
> OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited.
> 
> It was worse than 2007.2. I was told  that 2008.12 would be much better.
> So I waited.
> 
> Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a
> bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone.
> 
> When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long
> since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I
> waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would
> eventually get a working phone.
> 
> 
> I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were
> legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to
> demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it
> would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were
> required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based
> overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it.
> 
> In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws
> they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing
> to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*.
> 
> Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if
> you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so
> have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around
> pretending that being raped is all fun and games.
> 
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Re: [New Mokomaze] Coming soon

[Denis Johnson]

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Joerg Reisenweber  wrote:
> Using gmeter for resetting suspend-timer is useless here as I may hold the
> game steady and still don't want the screen to blank.
> The only correct way to handle this is to stop screenblanking as long as
> mokomaze is running.
> I suggest using fsoraw for this purpose (it's been intended to handle exactly
> these issues), or patch mokomaze to allocate the correct resource by itself,
> though that would somewhat restrict portability of the app to non-fso based
> systems.

Could you or someone please describe where and how to install fsoraw
on shr-testing (23 Apr or so) ?

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Re: Ain't it funny..

[jeremy jozwik]

seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not
going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee  wrote:
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> arne anka wrote:
>>> Bitter much? : )
>>
>> nope. he's just a troll.
>>
>
> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
>
> Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by
> OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited.
>
> It was worse than 2007.2. I was told  that 2008.12 would be much better.
> So I waited.
>
> Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a
> bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone.
>
> When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long
> since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I
> waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would
> eventually get a working phone.
>
>
> I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were
> legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to
> demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it
> would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were
> required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based
> overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it.
>
> In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws
> they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing
> to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*.
>
> Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if
> you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so
> have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around
> pretending that being raped is all fun and games.
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Robin Paulson]

2009/5/8 Daniel.Li :
>> that wasn't an overly helpful link. yaouh is for updating tiles you
>> already have on your system. if there are no tiles there, it won't
>> update anything. it's more for osm, where the tiles change in some
>> areas by the day. in one area, google's rarely change in the space of
>> a year.
>
> I think it's OK. well, mountain area :)
>>
>> you need to select the google repository in 'config', then drag the
>> map around to download tiles.
>
> I didn't see any other repository in drop down list in yaouh. And I
> didn't know where to find yaouh's config file.

when i say 'you need to select the google repository in config', i
mean in tangogps, not yaouh. there is no config or setup for yaouh. it
has one drop-down list, and one button

this bit is very important --> the repository won't appear in yaouh's
list until there are files on your system!

> So is there any manual to guide me though this? If there is, a link will
> also do.

no manual, there's no need:
1. get some tiles by dragging the map around (in tangogps),
2. when you want to update them (in the case of google tiles, maybe
once a year; in the case of osm tiles, maybe once every two weeks),
run yaouh,
3. select the repository you want to update (in yaouh),
4. hit the triangle button (in yaouh)
5. wait. it's slow - maybe 100-200 tiles/minute?

> Ah I just wanna download the area that I'll pass though during
> travel.

as long as it's fairly small, you'll be fine

> Is there any server that is for public service, providing service for
> software like tangoGPS?

openstreetmap.org is the configured default repository; tango was
built to use maps from there. there are several others, providing
different types of data. none i know of (free, anyway - google's
service is under a strict license) with the coverage of osm though

> Or is there any website to download zipped google maps?

no, that would be against their terms and conditions

try the pirate bay

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Re: Ain't it funny..

[Dale Maggee]

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arne anka wrote:
>> Bitter much? : )
> 
> nope. he's just a troll.
> 

Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.

Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by
OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited.

It was worse than 2007.2. I was told  that 2008.12 would be much better.
So I waited.

Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a
bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone.

When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long
since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I
waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would
eventually get a working phone.


I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were
legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to
demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it
would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were
required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based
overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it.

In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws
they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing
to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*.

Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if
you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so
have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around
pretending that being raped is all fun and games.

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Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV

[roguemoko]

On 8/05/2009 1:36 AM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Am Mi  6. Mai 2009 schrieb roguem...@roguewrt.org:
>> Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are
>> great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable
>> way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be
>> seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :)
>
> 32LG3000
>
> http://de.lge.com/products/model/detail/lcdtv_32lg3000.jhtml
>
> • 32“ (81cm) Bildschirmdiagonale
> • Bildschirmgröße 708 x 398mm im 16:9 Format
> • 1.366 x 768 Pixel Auflösung, 8 bit Farbauflösung
> • Spitzenhelligkeit 500cd/m² / Kontrastverhältnis 15.000:1 (dynamisch)
> • Film Mode (3:2 / 2:2 Pull Down), Just Scan, Eye Care, Fresh White
> • HDMI Deep-Color-Technologie
> • 1 DVB-T-&  analoger Hyperband-Tuner mit 8-Tage DVB-T EPG
> • Eingangssignale: VGA-SXGA, PAL / SECAM / NTSC, SDTV&  HDTV (480i, 480p,
> 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p mit 30fps, 60fps, 24fps und 50fps)
> • Invisible Speaker System
> • Clear-Voice-Technologie für kristallklaren Sound
> • SRS TruSurround XT Soundoptimierung
> • Expert Mode, ISF ready, AV Mode
> • Eingänge: PC, RS-232C, PC Audio, 2 Scart (1 x RGB), Video, S-Video, 3 HDMI
> ^^^  +USB (Service)
>
>   (1.3) mit HDCP und
> SIMPLINK, Komponente (YUV), Kopfhöreranschluss
> • Gehäusefarbe: Pianolackdesign
> • + 20° drehbarer Standfuß
> • HD ready


Well there you go :) ... maybe I just didn't look properly, I probably 
do have one ;)

One of my media players supports upgrading via rs232 but I've yet to 
find an image and a documented method of upgrade. So despite them 
existing, I'm not holding my breath for an upgrade path that consumers 
are able to perform. I imagine this would be brand specific however. Or 
maybe you just have to take it to an authorised service centre ... or 
maybe it's just there in case they decide at some point it might be 
useful to support their consumers. I've yet to put more than a passing 
thought into it ... but it's good to know some manufacturers are leaving 
the option open :)

Sarton

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[jeremy jozwik]

> Is there any server that is for public service, providing service for
> software like tangoGPS?
>
> Or is there any website to download zipped google maps?


http://www.openaerialmap.org/map/

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 11:15 +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
> 2009/5/8 Daniel.Li :
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:02 +0200, pam dirac wrote:
> >> try this
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
> >
> > There is only one item for update "OSM", how to config this program to
> > update Google Maps?
> 
> that wasn't an overly helpful link. yaouh is for updating tiles you
> already have on your system. if there are no tiles there, it won't
> update anything. it's more for osm, where the tiles change in some
> areas by the day. in one area, google's rarely change in the space of
> a year.

I think it's OK. well, mountain area :)
> 
> you need to select the google repository in 'config', then drag the
> map around to download tiles. 

I didn't see any other repository in drop down list in yaouh. And I
didn't know where to find yaouh's config file.

So is there any manual to guide me though this? If there is, a link will
also do.

> as noted though, if you abuse the
> system, you will be black-listed although only for a limited time i
> believe. 

Ah I just wanna download the area that I'll pass though during
travel.


> i also hear a given ip is allowed to download a limited
> number of tiles not through the api, before access is cut. the figure
> i was quoted was 1000. ymmv

Is there any server that is for public service, providing service for
software like tangoGPS?

Or is there any website to download zipped google maps?

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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Laszlo KREKACS]

> I'm
> also open to suggestions of other applications.

Openmoocow. It is simple and nice to show off.

Laszlo

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Robin Paulson]

2009/5/8 Daniel.Li :
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:02 +0200, pam dirac wrote:
>> try this
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
>
> There is only one item for update "OSM", how to config this program to
> update Google Maps?

that wasn't an overly helpful link. yaouh is for updating tiles you
already have on your system. if there are no tiles there, it won't
update anything. it's more for osm, where the tiles change in some
areas by the day. in one area, google's rarely change in the space of
a year.

you need to select the google repository in 'config', then drag the
map around to download tiles. as noted though, if you abuse the
system, you will be black-listed although only for a limited time i
believe. i also hear a given ip is allowed to download a limited
number of tiles not through the api, before access is cut. the figure
i was quoted was 1000. ymmv

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Re: Speed of NAND flash vs. SD card (Was: Ain't it funny..)

[Daniel.Li]

As a matter of fact, it's really slow to tar -xf .tar file, compared
with my 2440 demo board.

I takes me half a day to unzip the file system to sd card with fso
image.

If it's with my demo board to unzip, very quick, about 10min or so.


What's wrong with fso image to unzip the tar package?

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:39 +0200, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 07:12:25AM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote:
> 
> > You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way faster
> > that way anyway :)
> 
>NAND flash ought to be a lot faster than Glamo's MMC interface. Where is
> the bug? FWIW, I tried a simple hdparm run on NOR flash, NAND flash and SD
> card:
> 
> r...@debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock0# NOR flash
> 
> /dev/mtdblock0:
>  Timing O_DIRECT disk reads:2 MB in  1.24 seconds =   1.61 MB/sec
> 
> r...@debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock3# NAND flash
> 
> /dev/mtdblock3:
>  Timing O_DIRECT disk reads:8 MB in  2.89 seconds =   2.77 MB/sec
> 
> r...@debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mmcblk0  # Glamo MMC
> 
> /dev/mmcblk0:
>  Timing O_DIRECT disk reads:8 MB in  3.46 seconds =   2.31 MB/sec
> 
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[jeremy jozwik]

ah yes, thats what i mean by the gps log getting noisy when walking.
if you had be on bike i think it would have been fine.
most of my tracking is by car or train so i dont get those : )

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
> http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:gpsview#how_can_i_walk_into_the_river_8
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:01 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>> >> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great!
>> >> it can get a bit noisy when walking though
>> >
>> > Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :(
>> >
>> > But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the
>> > river??? :)
>>
>>
>> whats that now?
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:gpsview#how_can_i_walk_into_the_river_8
 


On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:01 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> >> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great!
> >> it can get a bit noisy when walking though
> >
> > Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :(
> >
> > But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the
> > river??? :)
> 
> 
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[jeremy jozwik]

> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great!
>> it can get a bit noisy when walking though
>
> Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :(
>
> But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the
> river??? :)


whats that now?

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great!
> it can get a bit noisy when walking though

Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :(

But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the
river??? :)
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
> >> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
> >>
> >> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
> >>
> > I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly
> > it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with
> > more knowledge in this matter can provide more details.
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:54 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> Indeed:
> 
> http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/13-Howto-contribute-to-OpenStreetMap.html
> 
> Although I logged my tracks in TangoGPS, then converted them to GPX
> files using Prune:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/prune-gps/
> 
> Before uploading to OSM. Works like a charm.


Humm... Excellent!


> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/5/7 Adam Jimerson :
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
> >> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
> >>
> >> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
> >>
> > I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly
> > it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with
> > more knowledge in this matter can provide more details.
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:52 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and
> add it later 

Truely

> ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, 

So do I.

> and kind enough
> on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk
> as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go.

I have used tangoGPS for 4 hour continous logging when bicycling. (56
km)

IT'S GOOD!

> 
> I guess that doesn't really help you with your current problem,
> however, but hopefully you'll work something out.
> 
> Cheers, Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> >> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery (
> >
> > Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120
> >
> > It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area.
> >
> > Thanks. downlading :)
> >
> >
> >> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban
> >> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of
> >> interest?
> >
> > When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT
> > covered. but it's OK.
> >
> > Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
> > with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
> >
> > So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Juan Lucas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __
> >> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de
> >> Joseph Reeves
> >> Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38
> >> Para: lida_m...@163.com
> >> CC: List for Openmoko community discussion
> >> Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS
> >>
> >>
> >> I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing
> >> your IP address,
> >> or use a different map provider. If you really don't
> >> want to use
> >> OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from
> >> Microsoft Live
> >> Maps:
> >>
> >> http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
> >> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
> >>
> >> Cheers, Joseph
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> >> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves
> >> wrote:
> >> >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers
> >> >
> >> > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But
> >> it'll be soon
> >> > blacklisted again.
> >> >
> >> > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> - downloading just
> >> >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they
> >> block IPs that do
> >> >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only
> >> through the web API.
> >> >>
> >> >> Joseph
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> >> >> > Dear List,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't
> >> download Google map?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there any thing that I should change?
> >> >> > --
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:51 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> perhaps you should enable gps tracking and fill in those gaps : )

Sure, when I'm back. I'm happy to use these tracks to update OSM :)

> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> >> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery (
> >
> > Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120
> >
> > It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area.
> >
> > Thanks. downlading :)
> >
> >
> >> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For
> urban
> >> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of
> >> interest?
> >
> > When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are
> NOT
> > covered. but it's OK.
> >
> > Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is
> nothing
> > with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
> >
> > So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
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Re: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection?

[Joel Newkirk]

On Thu, 7 May 2009 18:31:39 +0200
Davide Scaini  wrote:

> I am searching for a really olg 2.6.28 kernel... (and not a .28
> mispelled that in fact it's a .29...) where can i find it? (I'm
> talking about something of the mid april...)
> thanks
> d
> 
> Ps: wifi worked nicely on that, i just used
> some /etc/network/interfaces files and getted eth0 up from
> shr-setting panel... now it semms that with .29 kernels the interface
> is not really "responding" and i get kernel panics when insisting on
> ifup ifdown eth0 [sorry i can't be more precise since i haven't found
> the point where it breaks]

I stuffed the April 14th kernel and modules up on my server, you can
pull them from
http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.bin
http://newkirk.us/om/testing/modules-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.tgz

I'll leave them there through the weekend if your or anyone wants them.

j


> 2009/5/7 Vasco Névoa 
> 
> > Thanks, Paul.
> > I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the
> > problems are gone.
> > So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been:
> >
> > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin
> > And the current working one is:
> >
> > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin
> >
> > I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and
> > refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a
> > patch and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream
> > and sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source
> > stream from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my...
> > imagination. ;) Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it
> > doesn't come back so easily again.
> >
> > Citando Paul Fertser :
> >
> > > Vasco Nevoa  writes:
> > >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which
> > >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems
> > >>> if you even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the
> > >>> kernel that worked on your FR in the meantime?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :)
> > >
> > > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the
> > > kernel had no problems and the problematic revision you use now,
> > > but you don't specify it.
> > >
> > > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was
> > > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to
> > > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since
> > > then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm
> > > unable to even say if your rev includes the commit or not.
> > >
> > > --
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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Johny Tenfinger]

> There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake
> recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would

I'm sure SHR has bitbake recipes for mokomaze and pythm.

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Re: Ain't it funny..

[Gothnet]

arne anka wrote:
> 
> 
> nope. he's just a troll.
> 
> 


he's just saying what a lot of people are thinking

I still hope to use my OM for *something*, but the chances of it ever being
a reliable mobile phone are looking pretty slim.
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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[matthias]

it does not. But i can make it use it in the next release.
just wait.

matthias

Angus Ainslie schrieb:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 18:41 +0200, matthias wrote:
>   
>> There is no bitbake recipe for dictator so far. Unfortunately!
>> And I think there won't be, cause I don't know how to make one and I
>> ain't got the time to get used to it.
>> So, is there someone who can do that? It won't be too hard, for it's
>> just a python-something.
>>
>> 
>
> If it uses distutils the recipe is almost trivial 
>
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Re: [H:1] connectivity

[Vinzenz Hersche]

On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.42:12 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> Vinzenz Hersche escribió:
> > On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.21:22 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> >> Hi List,
> >> I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor
> >> GPRS from the list of apps .
> >>
> >> I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and
> >> wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k?
> >> wpa_supplicant?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
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ah, sry, didn't realise the h:1 :s
i think, at this time is wifi-radar the best, but i read, there should be wifid 
or something like..this is also in the h:1-installation (i couldn't start the 
h:1-part now, because i copy some great files to the card).. it's more 
fingerfriendly, but doesn't work for me, maybe for you or with update?

but i also think, marcus bauer knows more about this.. :)

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[jeremy jozwik]

no burden whats so ever. i just set it and forget it.
if you want to modify or string log files all you need to is open the
log file in any text editor and copy paste delete what have you.

quality and accuracy are surprisingly good from what i have seen. only
thing that messes me up are large concrete buildings or high rises in
downtown areas.
if you have an OSM account take a look at my gpstraces. all done with
the openmoko and tangoGPS

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jerjozwik/traces

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Fernando Martins  wrote:
> Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and
>> add it later ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, and kind enough
>> on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk
>> as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go.
>>
> How about quality of data, I mean, for instance if you have to backtrack
> in a road, will you have to delete the log and restart all over? How
> about connecting two pieces of log? What about changing direction 90º;
> if walking (or even biking or car), in reality you are not doing 90º,
> will be doing a diagonal or a curve, but one wants to provide to OSM a
> 90º road connection.
>
> Essentially I'm trying to understand how burdensome (or not) it can
> become for a simple sightseeing to also do tracking.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Fernando Martins]

Joseph Reeves wrote:
> I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and
> add it later ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, and kind enough
> on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk
> as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go.
>   
How about quality of data, I mean, for instance if you have to backtrack 
in a road, will you have to delete the log and restart all over? How 
about connecting two pieces of log? What about changing direction 90º; 
if walking (or even biking or car), in reality you are not doing 90º, 
will be doing a diagonal or a curve, but one wants to provide to OSM a 
90º road connection.

Essentially I'm trying to understand how burdensome (or not) it can 
become for a simple sightseeing to also do tracking.

Regards,

Fernando

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[jeremy jozwik]

the most i remember seeing was a command that limited the update
intervals. faster updates for traveling quickly, slower for slow
movement.

cant say i remember where i read that though

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Joseph Reeves  wrote:
>> it can get a bit noisy when walking though
>
> Which reminds me (getting OT now though), did anything ever come of
> the various GPS modes that the chipset supports? Last I remember you
> could issue a command to indicate if you where walking / in a car.
>
> Cheers, Joseph
>
>
>
> 2009/5/7 jeremy jozwik :
>> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great!
>> it can get a bit noisy when walking though
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:

 Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
 with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)

 So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)

>>> I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly
>>> it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with
>>> more knowledge in this matter can provide more details.
>>>
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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 18:41 +0200, matthias wrote:
> There is no bitbake recipe for dictator so far. Unfortunately!
> And I think there won't be, cause I don't know how to make one and I
> ain't got the time to get used to it.
> So, is there someone who can do that? It won't be too hard, for it's
> just a python-something.
> 

If it uses distutils the recipe is almost trivial 

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Re: [H:1] connectivity

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

Vinzenz Hersche escribió:
> On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.21:22 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
>   
>> Hi List,
>> I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor
>> GPRS from the list of apps .
>>
>> I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and
>> wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k?
>> wpa_supplicant?
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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> in which distro?
>   
Hackable:1 (H:1), and I don't know if mofi works with it, since it comes 
preinstalled with wifi-radar

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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[matthias]

There is no bitbake recipe for dictator so far. Unfortunately!
And I think there won't be, cause I don't know how to make one and I
ain't got the time to get used to it.
So, is there someone who can do that? It won't be too hard, for it's
just a python-something.


Angus Ainslie schrieb:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:53 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>   
>> ps. there is a community effort to create a script to add the required
>> apps & hacks to 'plain' 2009 in http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX - it'll
>> eventually be the kustomizer for 2009 (for kustomizer, see
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer ) - feel free to add your
>> lines there..
>>
>>
>> 
>
> callrec is in the feeds now so there shouldn't be any need to install it
> from an outside source. Is there a dictator recipe somewhere ?
>
> There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake
> recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would
> need to to have mp3 support installed from outside the OM feeds. I'm
> also open to suggestions of other applications.
>
> Angus
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Re: [H:1] connectivity

[Vinzenz Hersche]

On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.21:22 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> Hi List,
> I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor
> GPRS from the list of apps .
>
> I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and
> wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k?
> wpa_supplicant?
>
> regards,
>
> Tom
>
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in which distro?

on shr i would use mofi.. it's not very stable, but it works lot of times.. 

the driver should be already installed..

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Re: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection?

[Davide Scaini]

I am searching for a really olg 2.6.28 kernel... (and not a .28 mispelled
that in fact it's a .29...) where can i find it? (I'm talking about
something of the mid april...)
thanks
d

Ps: wifi worked nicely on that, i just used some /etc/network/interfaces
files and getted eth0 up from shr-setting panel... now it semms that with
.29 kernels the interface is not really "responding" and i get kernel panics
when insisting on ifup ifdown eth0 [sorry i can't be more precise since i
haven't found the point where it breaks]

2009/5/7 Vasco Névoa 

> Thanks, Paul.
> I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the
> problems are gone.
> So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been:
>
> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin
> And the current working one is:
>
> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin
>
> I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and
> refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a patch
> and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream and
> sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source stream
> from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... imagination. ;)
> Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it doesn't come back so
> easily again.
>
> Citando Paul Fertser :
>
> > Vasco Nevoa  writes:
> >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which
> >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you
> >>> even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that
> >>> worked on your FR in the meantime?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :)
> >
> > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the kernel
> > had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, but you
> > don't specify it.
> >
> > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was
> > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to
> > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since
> > then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm unable to
> > even say if your rev includes the commit or not.
> >
> > --
> > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
> > mailto:fercer...@gmail.com
> >
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[OM2009-FSO-zhone] pyphonelog

[Tony Berth]

I installed following:

pyphonelog_0.16.3-r0_armv4t.ipk
pyphonelogd_0.11.0_armv4t.ipk

using the latest test fso-zhone jffs but when starting the application it
crashes!

Any hint to make it work?

Thanks

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[H:1] connectivity

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

Hi List,
I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor 
GPRS from the list of apps .

I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and 
wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k? 
wpa_supplicant?

regards,

Tom


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Online Petition gegen Internetsperren

[kerler marian]

Hallo,
this mail is addressed to all german people they should read visit
epetitionen.bundestag.de
MfG
Marian Kerler

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Joseph Reeves]

> it can get a bit noisy when walking though

Which reminds me (getting OT now though), did anything ever come of
the various GPS modes that the chipset supports? Last I remember you
could issue a command to indicate if you where walking / in a car.

Cheers, Joseph



2009/5/7 jeremy jozwik :
> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great!
> it can get a bit noisy when walking though
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
>>> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
>>>
>>> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
>>>
>> I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly
>> it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with
>> more knowledge in this matter can provide more details.
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Joseph Reeves]

Indeed:

http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/13-Howto-contribute-to-OpenStreetMap.html

Although I logged my tracks in TangoGPS, then converted them to GPX
files using Prune:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/prune-gps/

Before uploading to OSM. Works like a charm.

Cheers,

Joseph



2009/5/7 Adam Jimerson :
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
>> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
>>
>> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
>>
> I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly
> it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with
> more knowledge in this matter can provide more details.
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[jeremy jozwik]

i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great!
it can get a bit noisy when walking though

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson  wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
>> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
>>
>> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
>>
> I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly
> it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with
> more knowledge in this matter can provide more details.
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Joseph Reeves]

I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and
add it later ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, and kind enough
on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk
as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go.

I guess that doesn't really help you with your current problem,
however, but hopefully you'll work something out.

Cheers, Joseph




2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
>> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery (
>
> Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120
>
> It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area.
>
> Thanks. downlading :)
>
>
>> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban
>> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of
>> interest?
>
> When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT
> covered. but it's OK.
>
> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
>
> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Juan Lucas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 __
>>                 De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de
>>                 Joseph Reeves
>>                 Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38
>>                 Para: lida_m...@163.com
>>                 CC: List for Openmoko community discussion
>>                 Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS
>>
>>
>>                 I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing
>>                 your IP address,
>>                 or use a different map provider. If you really don't
>>                 want to use
>>                 OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from
>>                 Microsoft Live
>>                 Maps:
>>
>>                 http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
>>                 http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
>>
>>                 Cheers, Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>>                 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
>>                 > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves
>>                 wrote:
>>                 >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers
>>                 >
>>                 > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But
>>                 it'll be soon
>>                 > blacklisted again.
>>                 >
>>                 > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS?
>>                 >
>>                 >
>>                 >> - downloading just
>>                 >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they
>>                 block IPs that do
>>                 >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only
>>                 through the web API.
>>                 >>
>>                 >> Joseph
>>                 >>
>>                 >>
>>                 >>
>>                 >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
>>                 >> > Dear List,
>>                 >> >
>>                 >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
>>                 >> >
>>                 >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't
>>                 download Google map?
>>                 >> >
>>                 >> > Is there any thing that I should change?
>>                 >> > --
>>                 >> > Daniel.Li 
>>                 >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)
>>                 >> >
>>                 >> >
>>                 >> >
>>                 >> > ___
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>>                 >> > community@lists.openmoko.org
>>                 >> >
>>                 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>                 >> >
>>                 > --
>>                 > Daniel.Li 
>>                 > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)
>>                 >
>>                 >
>>                 >
>>
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[jeremy jozwik]

perhaps you should enable gps tracking and fill in those gaps : )

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
>> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery (
>
> Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120
>
> It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area.
>
> Thanks. downlading :)
>
>
>> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban
>> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of
>> interest?
>
> When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT
> covered. but it's OK.
>
> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
>
> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Juan Lucas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de
>> Joseph Reeves
>> Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38
>> Para: lida_m...@163.com
>> CC: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS
>>
>>
>> I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing
>> your IP address,
>> or use a different map provider. If you really don't
>> want to use
>> OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from
>> Microsoft Live
>> Maps:
>>
>> http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
>> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
>>
>> Cheers, Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
>> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves
>> wrote:
>> >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers
>> >
>> > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But
>> it'll be soon
>> > blacklisted again.
>> >
>> > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS?
>> >
>> >
>> >> - downloading just
>> >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they
>> block IPs that do
>> >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only
>> through the web API.
>> >>
>> >> Joseph
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
>> >> > Dear List,
>> >> >
>> >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
>> >> >
>> >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't
>> download Google map?
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there any thing that I should change?
>> >> > --
>> >> > Daniel.Li 
>> >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ___
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>> >> > community@lists.openmoko.org
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>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> >> >
>> > --
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>> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Adam Jimerson]

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
>
>
> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)
>
> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)
>
> I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly
it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with
more knowledge in this matter can provide more details.
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RE: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery (

Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120 

It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area.

Thanks. downlading :)


> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban
> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of
> interest?

When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT
covered. but it's OK.

Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing
with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :)

So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :)




>  
> Regards,
> Juan Lucas
>  
> 
>  
> 
> __
> De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de
> Joseph Reeves
> Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38
> Para: lida_m...@163.com
> CC: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS
> 
> 
> I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing
> your IP address,
> or use a different map provider. If you really don't
> want to use
> OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from
> Microsoft Live
> Maps:
> 
> http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html
> 
> Cheers, Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves
> wrote:
> >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers
> >
> > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But
> it'll be soon
> > blacklisted again.
> >
> > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS?
> >
> >
> >> - downloading just
> >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they
> block IPs that do
> >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only
> through the web API.
> >>
> >> Joseph
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> >> > Dear List,
> >> >
> >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
> >> >
> >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't
> download Google map?
> >> >
> >> > Is there any thing that I should change?
> >> > --
> >> > Daniel.Li 
> >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Speed of NAND flash vs. SD card (Was: Ain't it funny..)

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 07:12:25AM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote:

> You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way faster
> that way anyway :)

   NAND flash ought to be a lot faster than Glamo's MMC interface. Where is
the bug? FWIW, I tried a simple hdparm run on NOR flash, NAND flash and SD
card:

r...@debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock0  # NOR flash

/dev/mtdblock0:
 Timing O_DIRECT disk reads:2 MB in  1.24 seconds =   1.61 MB/sec

r...@debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock3  # NAND flash

/dev/mtdblock3:
 Timing O_DIRECT disk reads:8 MB in  2.89 seconds =   2.77 MB/sec

r...@debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mmcblk0# Glamo MMC

/dev/mmcblk0:
 Timing O_DIRECT disk reads:8 MB in  3.46 seconds =   2.31 MB/sec

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Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mi  6. Mai 2009 schrieb roguem...@roguewrt.org:
> Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are 
> great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable 
> way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be 
> seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :)

32LG3000

http://de.lge.com/products/model/detail/lcdtv_32lg3000.jhtml

• 32“ (81cm) Bildschirmdiagonale
• Bildschirmgröße 708 x 398mm im 16:9 Format
• 1.366 x 768 Pixel Auflösung, 8 bit Farbauflösung
• Spitzenhelligkeit 500cd/m² / Kontrastverhältnis 15.000:1 (dynamisch)
• Film Mode (3:2 / 2:2 Pull Down), Just Scan, Eye Care, Fresh White
• HDMI Deep-Color-Technologie
• 1 DVB-T- & analoger Hyperband-Tuner mit 8-Tage DVB-T EPG
• Eingangssignale: VGA-SXGA, PAL / SECAM / NTSC, SDTV & HDTV (480i, 480p, 
576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p mit 30fps, 60fps, 24fps und 50fps)
• Invisible Speaker System
• Clear-Voice-Technologie für kristallklaren Sound
• SRS TruSurround XT Soundoptimierung
• Expert Mode, ISF ready, AV Mode
• Eingänge: PC, RS-232C, PC Audio, 2 Scart (1 x RGB), Video, S-Video, 3 HDMI
^^^  +USB (Service)

 (1.3) mit HDCP und
SIMPLINK, Komponente (YUV), Kopfhöreranschluss
• Gehäusefarbe: Pianolackdesign
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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Angus Ainslie  wrote:
> callrec is in the feeds now so there shouldn't be any need to install it
> from an outside source. Is there a dictator recipe somewhere ?
>
> There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake
> recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would
> need to to have mp3 support installed from outside the OM feeds. I'm
> also open to suggestions of other applications.
>
> Angus


I'm really glad to hear this!

I'd really like to have all the cool apps from opkg.org find a new
home in the official feeds. To me it has looked to be very difficult
to do so Angus, could you make sure that there are proper instruction
available in the wiki how to create the bitbake recipes and then start
a campaign (=e-mail thread in the community list, make sure it's in
the community news etc) to get as many apps in the official feeds as
possible.. This would make the official distros more usable as people
wouldn't need to install apps from opkg.org or projects.openmoko..

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Re: Debuzzing

[drac2000]

I have same request ;-)
I'm in Canada


Jim Ancona wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
>  wrote:
>>
>> Am 28.04.2009 um 22:30 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
>>
>>>
>>> 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners
>>> within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/
>>> export hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The
>>> final price is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl.
>>> shipment) because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how
>>> they can help to reduce this fee for you.
>>
>> Openmoko has given us now full support and therefore, we can reduce
>> the fee dramatically. A bad news is that you have to cover 2 way
>> shipment. But another good news is that Openmoko provides a free
>> battery as a gift for each shipment.
> 
> Can someone from Openmoko comment on whether there are plans to offer
> something similar outside the EU? I'm in the US, but I'm sure
> Freerunner users elsewhere are also interested.
> 
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Re: copy a file from smartphone to pc

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mi  6. Mai 2009 schrieb George Brooke:
>(particularly good if you have different 
> installs with different ssh keys and you don't want to keep editing your 
> known_hosts file.

#!/bin/sh
/sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
/sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0

#ssh to Neo without contantly being nagged about known_hosts
ssh \
-o StrictHostKeyChecking=no \
-o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null \
r...@192.168.0.202

#cheers
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RE: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery (both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an 
alternative to Google. For urban areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. 
What is your area of interest?
 
Regards,
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Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS



I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing your IP 
address,
or use a different map provider. If you really don't want to use
OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from Microsoft 
Live
Maps:

http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html

Cheers, Joseph



2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers
>
> Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But it'll be soon
> blacklisted again.
>
> So how can I download google map with tangoGPS?
>
>
>> - downloading just
>> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block 
IPs that do
>> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the 
web API.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
>> > Dear List,
>> >
>> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
>> >
>> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download 
Google map?
>> >
>> > Is there any thing that I should change?
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Re: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release)

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Valery Febvre wrote:
> Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary.
> 
> Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly.

I've just seen the screenshots but the interface is very cool.
Compliments ;)

> It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds,

I've not tried it, so I'm only figuring this, but not to block the
interface you could use the ecore_con (ecore_file_download) functions to
retrieve the data.

> Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data.

Is it gstreamer better than mplayer (from the performance point of view)?

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Joseph Reeves]

I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing your IP address,
or use a different map provider. If you really don't want to use
OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from Microsoft Live
Maps:

http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html

Cheers, Joseph



2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers
>
> Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But it'll be soon
> blacklisted again.
>
> So how can I download google map with tangoGPS?
>
>
>> - downloading just
>> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block IPs that do
>> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the web API.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
>> > Dear List,
>> >
>> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
>> >
>> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map?
>> >
>> > Is there any thing that I should change?
>> > --
>> > Daniel.Li 
>> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting)

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 07 May 2009 07:56:23 -0600 Angus Ainslie  said:

> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 23:39 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > 
> > > So I need to kill enlightenment each time I quit paroli.
> > > Rather strange.
> > 
> > actually - did you make sure paroli ACTUALLY quit? that it didnt stay
> > running and just iconify its window?
> > 
> 
> Currently paroli won't quit. It backgrounds itself so it can catch calls
> and bring up the answer window ( this will configurable in the future )

and thats probably why it comes back up again. one of 2 things.

1. if iconified - e will match the command line to the .desktop file - or
simply know that that .desktop file launched that app and thus running it again
if the window for that app is still there should simply bring that window up
again... or
2. paroli has its own session finding/handling so it finds the existing
instance of itself and ipc's asking it to show its window again - much like
firefox does or a whole bunch of apps these days can do.


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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers 

Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But it'll be soon
blacklisted again. 

So how can I download google map with tangoGPS?


> - downloading just
> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block IPs that do
> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the web API.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> > Dear List,
> >
> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
> >
> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map?
> >
> > Is there any thing that I should change?
> > --
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> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net)
> >
> >
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Re: Mokomaze as non-root

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:57:13PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  writes:
> > What do you need them for? In OmNewRotate I use /dev/input/events3 and it 
> > always
> > works regardless of kernel!
> 
> lindi1:~/debian/debian-mokomaze/mokomaze-0.5.0$ grep -r /sys src/*c
> src/accelerometers.c:   fh = 
> fopen("/sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode);
> src/accelerometers.c:   fh = 
> fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode);
> src/accelerometers.c:   fh = 
> fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.0/spi3.1/threshold",
>  mode);
> src/vibro.c:fvibro = fopen("/sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness", 
> "w");
> src/vibro.c:fvibro = 
> fopen("/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness",
>  "w");

Ah oops, that's true :(

Rui

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Re: GTA01 question : what capacity of ....

[Michael]

On 24/04/09 03:16:21, wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wrote:
> ... Micro SD card does it support ?
> 
> I.e. if I buy a 8GB micro SD card, would the GTA01 be able to use 
> it ?
> 
> Thx
8GB cards work fine. Might try a 16GB when the price comes down.

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Re: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting)

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 23:39 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > 
> > So I need to kill enlightenment each time I quit paroli.
> > Rather strange.
> 
> actually - did you make sure paroli ACTUALLY quit? that it didnt stay running
> and just iconify its window?
> 

Currently paroli won't quit. It backgrounds itself so it can catch calls
and bring up the answer window ( this will configurable in the future )

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Re: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting)

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 7 May 2009 08:01:10 +0200 Laszlo KREKACS
 said:

> Thanks for you reply!
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> > the only cache is a runtime cache in ram - none on disk. and restart of e
> > (including its own restart) will completely rebuild it from disk. it does
> > monitor files and on changes, reads them. there could be a race condition
> > with a partially written file by the time e reads it. so chances are...
> > your command is just wrong. if it can change the name - its loading all the
> > fields, and then running them. e may have a different $PATH in its
> > environment than your shell remember, so use full paths to be explicit.
> >
> 
> I specified the full path. I will post the .desktop file later today.
> 
> If I quit from paroli (using the illume bar), I cant relaunch it anymore. Just
> if I kill -HUP enlightenment. After that will start paroli. (I get a
> loading screen).
> 
> So I need to kill enlightenment each time I quit paroli.
> Rather strange.

actually - did you make sure paroli ACTUALLY quit? that it didnt stay running
and just iconify its window?

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:02 +0200, pam dirac wrote:
> try this 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

There is only one item for update "OSM", how to config this program to
update Google Maps?

> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Daniel.Li  wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
> 
> I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google
> map?
> 
> Is there any thing that I should change?
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Re: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release)

[Valery Febvre]

Angus Ainslie wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:19 +0200, Valery Febvre wrote:
>> It requires a very recent version of python-elementary so I think Podboy
>> can be run only under SHR :-(
> 
> Hi Valery, 
> 
> Om2009 is using a pretty recent version of python-elementary 40284, is
> that recent enough ?

Yes.

But auto-suspend and incoming GSM calls will be not handled.
Currently, code requires ophonekitd which is only available under SHR (I 
think).
I planned to look at ousaged for the next release.

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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:53 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> 
> ps. there is a community effort to create a script to add the required
> apps & hacks to 'plain' 2009 in http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX - it'll
> eventually be the kustomizer for 2009 (for kustomizer, see
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer ) - feel free to add your
> lines there..
> 
> 

callrec is in the feeds now so there shouldn't be any need to install it
from an outside source. Is there a dictator recipe somewhere ?

There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake
recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would
need to to have mp3 support installed from outside the OM feeds. I'm
also open to suggestions of other applications.

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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Angus Ainslie]

Hi Ed,

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:18 +0200, Ed Kapitein wrote:
> > 
> I have a +/- 3 pixel band on the top with random "noise" and colors.
> 

That is from using qi. We'll check the theme to see if that can be
fixed.

> Is it possible to add the use of the aux button to the wiki?
> I discovered it by accident.
> Could you make a manual on the wiki on how to use paroli?
> It is not all that intuitive.
> 

There are some basic hints at 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009

If you find any more hidden features they can be added there.

> I made my phone dual boot now, if i like to hack i boot gentoo from SD
> card.
> if i need a phone that just works, i boot paroli.
> for now it is 90% gentoo and 10% paroli, due to missing features as GPS
> app, gprs, browser, mail client, etc. 
> But then again perhaps it is best to have a stable phone and take it
> from there.

GPRS can be enabled from the settings app ( one of the AUX button uses )

If you change the paroli theme to illume ( in settings ) you can get all
of the apps that you're used to. TangoGPS , browser (midori, dillo,
fennec), claws mail.

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Kustomizer for OM2009, see http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Hi there!

As we're all waiting OM2009 [1] to become a stable release, we already
started writing a bash script that will install all the coolest apps
and hacks in a clean OM2009. The purpose of this is to help people
easily & fast to convert their barebone OM2009 to a
phone/PDA/something.

You're welcome to join writing the script, it's actually easier than
you'd think.
For instructions, code and more information, go to
http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX

Enjoy your freedom!


r

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009

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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 10:23 +0100, Tom Yates wrote:
> where would you like us to report bugs?  here, or is there a tracker?  and 
> what about things which are not necessarily bugs (ie, possible RFEs)?
> 

Please report them to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac and set the
milestone to Om2009

> > two times (huh, now again.. so three times) the tele crashed during
> > phone call (call did not get disconnected so i could finish it.) then
> > paroli restart or neo restart...
> 
> i'm getting this, both with calls made and calls received.  what can i 
> provide that will help diagnose this?
> 

This is fixed with the current unstable but some new issues have shown
up.  If you would like to test the fixes change the repo from testing to
unstable. For now don't upgrade framework just "opkg install paroli".
Once the issues with the framework are sorted there will be a new image.

> > i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX
> > button... and how do you set alarm time?
> 
> now there's an interesting feature!
> 
> > autosuspend although enabled did not work, autodim does work
> 
> i also find this.
> 
> >> Bugs fixed
> >>Power button does not shutdown device
> >
> > not for me :)
> 
> ditto.
> 

I'm pretty sure I got my side of this fixed now ( again currently in
unstable ). The current workaround is 

cp /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/paroli_rules.yaml 
/etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml

Thanks for testing 

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Joseph Reeves]

You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers - downloading just
the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block IPs that do
so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the web API.

Joseph



2009/5/7 Daniel.Li :
> Dear List,
>
> How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
>
> I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map?
>
> Is there any thing that I should change?
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Re: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release)

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:19 +0200, Valery Febvre wrote:
> 
> It requires a very recent version of python-elementary so I think Podboy
> can be run only under SHR :-(

Hi Valery, 

Om2009 is using a pretty recent version of python-elementary 40284, is
that recent enough ?

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Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[pam dirac]

try this
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Daniel.Li  wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.
>
> I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map?
>
> Is there any thing that I should change?
> --
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Re: Detecting headset button press

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

arne anka wrote:
> fso framework detects headset plug-in and switches alsa stae accordingly  
> -- why don't you have a look at fso, how they do that?

In my qtopia-x11 version I've used this workaround [1] to do it.

Maybe it helps.

[1]
http://dev.3v1n0.net/gitweb/?p=qtopia-x11.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce3bcd11addffab7c3b1050f33ed8e67b0505740

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How to use Google Map on tangoGPS

[Daniel.Li]

Dear List,

How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS.

I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map?

Is there any thing that I should change?
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Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[Christian Gagneraud]

c_c wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Christian Gagneraud wrote:
>>> hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? 
>>> (mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2.
>  Well, to get mplayer just do a 'opkg install mplayer'. mplayer includes all
> codecs it supports.

hum doesn't work with om 2009, anyway, i followed the instructions at 
http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX, and now it's working!

Thank you for your work, it looks cute!


>  There is an optimised version of mplayer (by paulTT) if you have a lot of
>  ogg files here.[1] This will reduce CPU usage by about 50%.
> 
> [1]
> http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk


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Re: Mokomaze as non-root

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  writes:
> What do you need them for? In OmNewRotate I use /dev/input/events3 and it 
> always
> works regardless of kernel!

lindi1:~/debian/debian-mokomaze/mokomaze-0.5.0$ grep -r /sys src/*c
src/accelerometers.c:   fh = 
fopen("/sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode);
src/accelerometers.c:   fh = 
fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode);
src/accelerometers.c:   fh = 
fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.0/spi3.1/threshold",
 mode);
src/vibro.c:fvibro = fopen("/sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness", 
"w");
src/vibro.c:fvibro = 
fopen("/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness",
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Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Lothar Behrens  writes:
> 00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02)
>   Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller
>   Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
>   Memory at fdb0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32]
>   I/O ports at 9000 [size=32]
>   Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax
>
> Would that work?

No idea, you need to google around I'm afraid.


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Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

[Nicola Mfb]

2009/5/7 Lothar Behrens :
> Ok,
>
> thanks. I have a AVM Fritz PCI ISDN card that works with the answering
> machine and the fax software hylafax.
> So I'll give it a try.
>
> The Fritz is as lspci -v told:
>
> 00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02)
>        Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller
>        Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
>        Memory at fdb0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32]
>        I/O ports at 9000 [size=32]
>        Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax
>
> Would that work?

Umh it may be with the capi channel, but cannot help further as I
never had ISDN line/card, please test and reports :)

   Nicola

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Re: Mokomaze as non-root

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:44:20PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> The Digital Pioneer  writes:
> > Not sure what all issues you're experiencing, but the accelerometers are
> > probably root:root access only (they are on mine, SHR-unstable), if that's
> > your problem. You can probably chmod them manually, but I'm sure you can mod
> > some conf somewhere to change it. Not sure what...
> 
> The largest problem are those /sys files, you can't change their permissions.

What do you need them for? In OmNewRotate I use /dev/input/events3 and it always
works regardless of kernel!

Rui

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Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

[Lothar Behrens]

Ok,

thanks. I have a AVM Fritz PCI ISDN card that works with the answering  
machine and the fax software hylafax.
So I'll give it a try.

The Fritz is as lspci -v told:

00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02)
Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
Memory at fdb0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32]
I/O ports at 9000 [size=32]
Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax

Would that work?

Lothar

Am 07.05.2009 um 13:27 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:

> Lothar Behrens  writes:
>> I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a
>> phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone?
>> I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what
>> packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1)
>
> If asterisk can make calls using your ISDN line then this should be
> very easy. Just use linphone3 SIP client on FR and register to your
> asterisk.
>
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Do  7. Mai 2009 schrieb Cédric Berger:
> 2009/5/7 Joerg Reisenweber 
> 
> >
> > Correct - usbdevstat allows 100mA, 500mA, 1A, and suspend (Tbl. 98, 
MBCC7),
> > anyway...
> > Setting chg_curlim won't help whatsoever, as you can set it only during
> > device
> > powered up and system running, and during this time the system consumption
> > USB-to-SYS will add to the chg_curlim you set. So you exceed intended USB
> > current by setting chg_curlim to the value you intend for USB current, 
just
> > to shutdown device after that and hope to reach 'correct' USB current then
> > eventually - that's silly.
> >
> >
> In my case I used setting chg_curlim also for when phone is on.
> Yes chg_curlim does not help to force usb real current to ie. 750m exactly.
> But ! This way I could have my phone use approx 750mA when on (by setting
> chg_curlim to 500mA).
> 
> Of course it may sometimes consume up to 1A if needed (the peaks I was
> talking about...).
> But this is ok in my case for my weak dumb charger.
> What would not be ok is having chg_curlim not forced and phone pulling 1A
> for 30 minutes continuously while charging the battery faster than I need...
> (And usb_curlim to 500mA would on the other hand not charge quickly enough
> (about 300mA).)
> 

So you think the STANDARD kernel should care about this rather exotic case 
which isn't specified properly (how long would this charger see the "1A 
sometimes"?) and needs massive care from userland anyway? I mean, there's 
some reason PCF50633 is built this way, huh? We got enough problems caring 
about real hw-glitches in this chip. I don't think it's recommendable to 
tweak it even further far beyond what's normal usecase.

btw your concept isn't working as you said yourself the USB current is reset 
to 500mA on powerdown. So how could you charge with 750mA? If system is 
powered up odds are it will take away 250mA. On powerdown state it seems to 
me there's no way at all to charge with 750mA. I really don't see the 
rationale behind all this.

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Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Lothar Behrens  writes:
> I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a  
> phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone?
> I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what  
> packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1)

If asterisk can make calls using your ISDN line then this should be
very easy. Just use linphone3 SIP client on FR and register to your
asterisk.


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Re: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

[Nicola Mfb]

2009/5/7 Lothar Behrens :
> Hi,
>
> I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a
> phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone?
> I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what
> packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1)
>
> Thanks
>
> Lothar

For sure there are better solutions, but one that come up in my mind
is to get an isdn card for your linux server supported by asterisk
(zaptel?), and use some softphone on freerunner.

Regards

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[SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release)

[Valery Febvre]

Hi,

Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary.

Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly.
It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds,
Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data.

It's still pretty alpha. Everything is subject to be changed, especially
the database so it is possible you should lose your podcasts and yours
settings with next releases.

It requires a very recent version of python-elementary so I think Podboy
can be run only under SHR :-(

Features
* Subscription, unsubscription (confirmation dialog) to podcasts
* Check for new episodes
* Download of a single episode or all available episodes
* Delete an episode (confirmation dialog)
* Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of
episodes and volume
* Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved
* Auto-suspend is disabled during playing
* Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call

TODO
* Import/export of podcasts feeds (OPML format)
* Management of played episodes
* Automatic deletion of episodes older than x days
* GUI improvements
* ...

Possible bugs
* Freezing of the application after a suspend (Gstreamer problem ?)

Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome.

Source is available at http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/podboy/

Screenshots: http://podboy.projects.openmoko.org/screenshots/

http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/816/podboy_0.0.1-r0_all.ipk

Happy listening,
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Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible?

[Lothar Behrens]

Hi,

I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a  
phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone?
I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what  
packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1)

Thanks

Lothar

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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:
> Is it possible to add the use of the aux button to the wiki?
> I discovered it by accident.
> Could you make a manual on the wiki on how to use paroli?
> It is not all that intuitive.

I agree that the 2009 wiki page ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009
) should be updated and all these tips for new users should be
definitely added. So everyone please, add your stuff there!

r

ps. there is a community effort to create a script to add the required
apps & hacks to 'plain' 2009 in http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX - it'll
eventually be the kustomizer for 2009 (for kustomizer, see
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer ) - feel free to add your
lines there..


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Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released

[c_c]

Hi,
 Nice Job. Slick graphics and performance. If only the screen stopped
blanking ... ;-)
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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Laszlo KREKACS]

> is there any documentation on the format of the paroil address book so i
> can try to get my contacts over in bulk?

It is in python pickle format I have been told.
Look at ~/.paroli there is everything inside. (call logs, contacts, etc)

If the call would work reliably I would be more than happy to use it
as my daily phone.
(sometimes I didnt get the "call screen").

And om2009 desperately need some love. For example remove the virtual desktop
from illume bar. Cant imagine a usecase for this on a phone.
Adapt the illume bar colors, icons to paroli, etc.

Remove the application which does not start (Htop)

Otherwise nice distro. Everything is inside what needed;) (paroli, terminal)

This distro is so close to be a normal phone

Best regards,
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Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[c_c]

Hi,

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> 
>>hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? 
>>(mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2.
> 
 Well, to get mplayer just do a 'opkg install mplayer'. mplayer includes all
codecs it supports.
 There is an optimised version of mplayer (by paulTT) if you have a lot of
 ogg files here.[1] This will reduce CPU usage by about 50%.

[1]
http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk
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Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[Yorick Moko]

it won't run here:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pr
e_arm.ipk
Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pre_arm.ipk
Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD
or PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD
or PREFER.  Using latest.
Upgrading intone on root from 0.30 to 0.40-pre...
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for intone:
 *  elementary *
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pr
e_arm.ipk -force-depends
Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pre_arm.ipk
Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD
or PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD
or PREFER.  Using latest.
Upgrading intone on root from 0.30 to 0.40-pre...
Configuring intone
Collected errors:
 * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for intone:
 *  elementary *
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ DISPLAY=:0 intone
intone: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory



On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Christian Gagneraud
 wrote:
> c_c wrote:
>> Hi,
>>   Well, it took a lot longer than I thought - but finally  - here's the 
>> alpha release of Intone - a mplayer frontend (for audio files - as of now) 
>> in C. Uses about 2% CPU (max) while running - memory goes up depending on 
>> your playlist - on my phone (~2500 songs) it uses about 15%.
>>   All you need to do is download the attached ipk and install it. Intone 
>> depends on sqlite3 and libelementary. If you have elementary on your phone 
>> upgraded to a level where the elementary test application shows you a demo 
>> of sliders and genlists, Intone should run on your phone.
>>   The recommended way to organise music is to put all the files in a folder 
>> (lets say Music), with sub folders named after artists (say Music ->Eagles) 
>> and with sub sub folders holding albums (that becomes Music->Eagles->Hell 
>> Freezes Over->*.mp3). That way, Intone can correctly organise your music 
>> collection into albums. It automatically creates a default playlist 
>> containing all songs and individual playlists for each album. I have added 
>> features to manage playlists and albums - but there is always scope for 
>> improvement.
>>   Intone uses a sqlite database as a backend for the playlists and albums. 
>> That should, hopefully, give flexibility in adding more features later.
>
> Hi,
>
> hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from?
> (mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>>
>>    Things that don't work as of now :-
>>
>> 1. Feedback. - I haven't been able to add dialogs yet. So - wait a little 
>> while for Intone to finish long operations (like adding your music 
>> collection for the first time - my 2500 odd songs took about 6 secs - the 
>> button remains pressed too)
>> 2. Dialogs for deleting stuff. It's safe - Intone does not delete any files 
>> - but it does delete tables(albums and playlists) - and it doesn't yet ask 
>> for confirmation.
>> 3. Seek. Dont know how to use the slider for seeking. Any Ideas?
>> 4. DBUS. - Haven't gotten around to learning edbus - so no occupy resouce 
>> CPU or pause on incoming calls yet. Will take some more time.
>> 5. Album art and lyrics. - Don't yet know the best way to go about doing 
>> this other than downloading art from some retailers etc. Ideas welcome.
>> 6. Toggle View. Not working yet. I intend having 2 more views - Album Art 
>> and Lyrics.
>>
>>   I'm also looking at adding support for the button that the standard 
>> handsfree has - as a volume control (3 preselcted levels in rotation) or to 
>> go to next song (1 click) and prev song (2 clicks). Any suggestions?
>>
>>   Since I also have half a podcast manager built (which I couldn't finish in 
>> time for the competition) - I'm also looking at adding that support in the 
>> future.
>>
>>   Feedback Required
>> 1. Bug reports.
>> 2. Artwork - Ideas / png's / whatever
>> 3. Elementary help. I have a lot of questions. Here are a few :-
>>     a) How do I reduce the vert height of 1 entry in the genlist? Right now 
>> each line in the list is too high (almost 3 text lines high) - so I get only 
>> about 4 song names on the screen. Can I reduce the height to say 1.5 text 
>> line - 2 text line?
>>     b) How do I use the pager with a genlist? In my case the pager works - 
>> but it doesn't show the genlist - the buttons all show up though.
>>     c) Dialogs and progress bars. I know elementary doesn't have them - but 
>> can I make/have a simple ty solution for the time being?
>>
>> Oh! And I'm only adding .oga, .mp3, .m4a and wma files into the albums. Any 
>> other types I need to add?
>>
>> I'll upload the code to intone.googl

Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Ed Kapitein]

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 10:23 +0100, Tom Yates wrote:
> On Tue, 5 May 2009, Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> > Hi Angus,
> >
> > thank you for the info and hard work.
+1 
><

> i also find this.
> 
> >> Bugs fixed
> >>Power button does not shutdown device
> >
> > not for me :)
> 
> ditto.
+1

> 
> > i still have it on so i can do more tests if necessary...
> 
> and i'll have it on for a while.
> 
> is there any documentation on the format of the paroil address book so i 
> can try to get my contacts over in bulk?
> 
I have a +/- 3 pixel band on the top with random "noise" and colors.

Is it possible to add the use of the aux button to the wiki?
I discovered it by accident.
Could you make a manual on the wiki on how to use paroli?
It is not all that intuitive.

I made my phone dual boot now, if i like to hack i boot gentoo from SD
card.
if i need a phone that just works, i boot paroli.
for now it is 90% gentoo and 10% paroli, due to missing features as GPS
app, gprs, browser, mail client, etc. 
But then again perhaps it is best to have a stable phone and take it
from there.

Kind regards,
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Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[Christian Gagneraud]

c_c wrote:
> Hi,
>   Well, it took a lot longer than I thought - but finally  - here's the alpha 
> release of Intone - a mplayer frontend (for audio files - as of now) in C. 
> Uses about 2% CPU (max) while running - memory goes up depending on your 
> playlist - on my phone (~2500 songs) it uses about 15%.
>   All you need to do is download the attached ipk and install it. Intone 
> depends on sqlite3 and libelementary. If you have elementary on your phone 
> upgraded to a level where the elementary test application shows you a demo of 
> sliders and genlists, Intone should run on your phone.
>   The recommended way to organise music is to put all the files in a folder 
> (lets say Music), with sub folders named after artists (say Music ->Eagles) 
> and with sub sub folders holding albums (that becomes Music->Eagles->Hell 
> Freezes Over->*.mp3). That way, Intone can correctly organise your music 
> collection into albums. It automatically creates a default playlist 
> containing all songs and individual playlists for each album. I have added 
> features to manage playlists and albums - but there is always scope for 
> improvement.
>   Intone uses a sqlite database as a backend for the playlists and albums. 
> That should, hopefully, give flexibility in adding more features later.

Hi,

hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? 
(mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2.

Thanks,
Chris

>   
>Things that don't work as of now :-
> 
> 1. Feedback. - I haven't been able to add dialogs yet. So - wait a little 
> while for Intone to finish long operations (like adding your music collection 
> for the first time - my 2500 odd songs took about 6 secs - the button remains 
> pressed too)
> 2. Dialogs for deleting stuff. It's safe - Intone does not delete any files - 
> but it does delete tables(albums and playlists) - and it doesn't yet ask for 
> confirmation.
> 3. Seek. Dont know how to use the slider for seeking. Any Ideas?
> 4. DBUS. - Haven't gotten around to learning edbus - so no occupy resouce CPU 
> or pause on incoming calls yet. Will take some more time.
> 5. Album art and lyrics. - Don't yet know the best way to go about doing this 
> other than downloading art from some retailers etc. Ideas welcome.
> 6. Toggle View. Not working yet. I intend having 2 more views - Album Art and 
> Lyrics.
> 
>   I'm also looking at adding support for the button that the standard 
> handsfree has - as a volume control (3 preselcted levels in rotation) or to 
> go to next song (1 click) and prev song (2 clicks). Any suggestions?
> 
>   Since I also have half a podcast manager built (which I couldn't finish in 
> time for the competition) - I'm also looking at adding that support in the 
> future.
> 
>   Feedback Required
> 1. Bug reports.
> 2. Artwork - Ideas / png's / whatever
> 3. Elementary help. I have a lot of questions. Here are a few :-
> a) How do I reduce the vert height of 1 entry in the genlist? Right now 
> each line in the list is too high (almost 3 text lines high) - so I get only 
> about 4 song names on the screen. Can I reduce the height to say 1.5 text 
> line - 2 text line?
> b) How do I use the pager with a genlist? In my case the pager works - 
> but it doesn't show the genlist - the buttons all show up though.
> c) Dialogs and progress bars. I know elementary doesn't have them - but 
> can I make/have a simple ty solution for the time being?
> 
> Oh! And I'm only adding .oga, .mp3, .m4a and wma files into the albums. Any 
> other types I need to add?
> 
> I'll upload the code to intone.googlecode.com soon. 
> All feedback welcome. Thanks.
> intone_0.20_arm.ipk 


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Re: [SHR] emacs package

[Roland Whitehead]

On 6 May 2009, at 16:04, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package
>> for Emacs.  Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running -
>
> If you run Debian on your FR, then you can just "aptitude install
> emacs".

Even easier - from within your terminal app run:

opkg install 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/emacs_22.3-r0_armv
4t.ipk

It takes a bit of time to install but when its there, there is no  
problem at all - works as it should

Now to install fso-el:

http://wiki.wjsullivan.net/collaboration.cgi/FsoEl


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Re: Mokomaze as non-root

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

The Digital Pioneer  writes:
> Not sure what all issues you're experiencing, but the accelerometers are
> probably root:root access only (they are on mine, SHR-unstable), if that's
> your problem. You can probably chmod them manually, but I'm sure you can mod
> some conf somewhere to change it. Not sure what...

The largest problem are those /sys files, you can't change their permissions.


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Re: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection?

[Vasco Névoa]

Thanks, Paul.
I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the  
problems are gone.
So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been:
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin
And the current working one is:
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin

I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and  
refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a patch  
and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream and  
sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source stream  
from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... imagination. ;)  
Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it doesn't come back so  
easily again.

Citando Paul Fertser :

> Vasco Nevoa  writes:
>>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which
>>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you
>>> even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that
>>> worked on your FR in the meantime?
>>>
>>>
>> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :)
>
> At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the kernel
> had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, but you
> don't specify it.
>
> The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was
> f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to
> andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since
> then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm unable to
> even say if your rev includes the commit or not.
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Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV

[Kiam Peng Wee]

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:05 AM, roby  wrote:
> sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker,
> anybody know of some project in this direction?
>

http://compression.ru/video/tv_commercial_detector/index_en.html
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/How_to_write_a_new_method_of_commercial_detection

KP

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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[Marcel]

Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 10:50:48 schrieb kimaidou:
> >  Yup. Debian package too coming this time :-)
> > --
>
> GREAAT, thx

So you got an elementary and python-elm package for Debian?!
That'd be awsum, u knoez... ;)

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Re: Om2009 testing Release 2

[Tom Yates]

On Tue, 5 May 2009, Petr Vanek wrote:

> Hi Angus,
>
> thank you for the info and hard work.

hear, here.  i had begun to fear that work had completely stopped on 2009 
- but this is clearly not so!

> I have been testing paroli every two to three weeks (regularly i use
> shr). today i have flashed the testing release 2 image and used it this
> afternoon. the testing release seems to be full of new features. i
> flashed it to nand, i use qi.

i have also flashed testing release 2 (1.5.2009, the paroli image) and am 
using it as my main phone (this may seem unwise, but i'd managed to roach 
2008.12 so badly that qpe reliably crashed within 60s of rebooting the 
phone).  i'd rather put my effort into going forward than replicating the 
past.

where would you like us to report bugs?  here, or is there a tracker?  and 
what about things which are not necessarily bugs (ie, possible RFEs)?

> two times (huh, now again.. so three times) the tele crashed during
> phone call (call did not get disconnected so i could finish it.) then
> paroli restart or neo restart...

i'm getting this, both with calls made and calls received.  what can i 
provide that will help diagnose this?

> i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX
> button... and how do you set alarm time?

now there's an interesting feature!

> autosuspend although enabled did not work, autodim does work

i also find this.

>> Bugs fixed
>>  Power button does not shutdown device
>
> not for me :)

ditto.

> i still have it on so i can do more tests if necessary...

and i'll have it on for a while.

is there any documentation on the format of the paroil address book so i 
can try to get my contacts over in bulk?


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Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO

[DJDAS]

Paul Fertser ha scritto:
> DJDAS  writes:
>   
>> Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto:
>> 
 Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows
 the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon.
 
 
>>> hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not
>>> unix-hackers ... 
>>>   
>> That's why I wrote it ;)
>> 
>
> It's very nice you work on it. Too bad you use a dead-born deprecated
> distro ;)
>   
Well, to be honest I'm a maintainer of a distro called FDTF based on 
Om2008.9+FDOM(September version) I customized for the Italian community 
at http://forum.telefoninux.org. I still use it because it's quite 
stable, telephony works (little qtopia bugs but it's daily usable) and 
with the community suggestions I added various customizations in the 
startup scripts, keyboards, themes and so on. I'm stuck with it because 
I have no much time to re-test everything in FSO-based distros and I 
don't like their telephony-PIM (qtopia IMHO still rocks hard).
So this is my development environment with pros & cons obviously, but I 
think it's better to have a daily quite stable phone rather than 
something updated but quite unusable, I'll wait for real stable releases 
with no one who wants to recreate the wheel from scratch after something 
goes wrong at the end of the job ;)

> As Franky already mentioned, bluez3 and bluez4 interfaces are
> completely different, so porting won't be that easy :-/
>   

No probs ;) It's just a matter of code
>
> One of the reasons FSO integrates functionality of powering and
> resetting devices is exactly that. Higher level app devs shouldn't be
> bothered with kernel changes, FSO quickly adopts to it and you receive
> all updates free. In fact, you might like the idea of FSO, take a look
> at specs ;)
>   

Oh, I know and appreciate FSO way but I need something really stable and 
working, not something "randomly working after an update" :P
Seriously: as I said above I'll make BlueMoko compatible with FSO but 
for my daily use I'll stick with my FDTF until a real stable working 
out-of-the-box distro will be released ;)
Thanks you, bye!


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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[kimaidou]

>  Yup. Debian package too coming this time :-)
> --
>

GREAAT, thx
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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[c_c]

Hi,

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> I have tried the 0.40 (*) version on shr-unstable and all works good as
> expected :)
> 
 Thanks. Hope the playing song resumes correctly on call hang up.
 Any other feedback?
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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

[Petr Vanek]

I have tried the 0.40 (*) version on shr-unstable and all works good as
expected :)

Petr

* http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pre_arm.ipk




On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT)
c_c  (C) wrote:

>
>Hi,
>
>Robin Paulson wrote:
>> 
  Do you want id3 tags in the list too?
>>>oh, in that case, i'm not that keen on adding it. i like how it's
>>>nice and responsive at the moment, even on slow hardware
>> 
> I'm still considering this. Will investigate the actual performance
> hit 
>after this weekend's release. If it is acceptable at the time of the 
>initial scan, I'll include this in a later release.
>
>
>Robin Paulson wrote:
>> 
>>>oh, i see. got you. is there a global mixer for doing this?
>> 
> Yup, I'll just use amixer to set the values.
>
>
>Robin Paulson wrote:
>> 
>>> can you make the play button change to a pause  symbol when it's
>>> playing?
>> 
>Already Done.
> 
>Ok. So here's what's done.
>
>  * Bass and treble sliders
>  * better sizes (imo) 
>  * dbus integration - prevent suspens and pause on incoming call
>  * alternate ciew with id3 and album art 
>  * default icon if no album art exists
>  * some clean ups
>  * icon change of play button to pause when playing
>
>In process
>  
>  * saving and restoring system volume, bass and treble settings for
> exit
>and pause
>  * album art icon sizing
>  * getting song info for the alternate view when not playing
>  * scanning files without extension crash
>
>  Should be done by the weekend.
>
>  One more thing, since now SHR, OM 2009 (unstable) and FSO all use the
>newer e libraries,
>I'm thinking of moving over to them. Just wanted to know if there are
>people still using older
>distributions - in which case I'll have to release 2 diff packages.
>
>  For those on the newer libraries - a pre-release version is attached
>below. Just wanted to
>get some early feedback on the dbus stuff mainly - as also any other
>relevant points.
>
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Re: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection?

[Helge Hafting]

Vasco Névoa wrote:
> I would, but I don't think my employer would agree. :)
> I use nothing but FLOSS everywhere, except of course at work, where I  
> have to use the "official workstation software"... :P
> And it is very handy to hack the latest tweaks on my neo while waiting  
> for a compilation to finish... ;)
> Right now, the Neo is networkless with SHR-testing in a Windows environment:
> - wifi is no good;
> - bluetooth way too complicated;
> - USB doesn't work;
> - GPRS stalls and doesn't allow opkg update, so forget upgrade
> 
> SO GIMME THE WORKIN KERNEL ALREADY!!!  :D
> 
> I just find it strange all this back and forth, one version it works,  
> the next it doesn't, then it works again, then not is that patch  
> so difficult to keep alive??

When you use testing/unstable, you are part of the development. You are 
using stuff that is *not* regression tested before releasing. The 
"stable" distribution will likely be better in this respect, but "stable 
"hasn't happened yet.

You can at least get wifi back by using a 2.6.28 kernel (available as
older kernel images). This apparently works well with the latest 
"testing", - if you also install the package with modules for that 
kernel. If you skip the modules, some other things (sound++) will fail. 
wifi will be back regardless.

Also, USB networking works fine with the later kernels that break wifi, 
so any networking fix will need to be done on the windows machine. Linux 
  (on the PC) also needed a change in the usb networking setup when the 
phone got a 2.6.29 kernel. So I expect that windows users need to do 
something too.  This will likely not be reverted. As explained elswhere, 
the phone is now reporting the correct assigned MAC address for its usb 
network interface, it was wrong before. A networking setup that expects 
the old mac address will fail, so just change it!

I guess other windows users can help you out with the details on how 
this is done?

Helge Hafting



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Re: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge

[Cédric Berger]

2009/5/7 Joerg Reisenweber 

>
> Correct - usbdevstat allows 100mA, 500mA, 1A, and suspend (Tbl. 98, MBCC7),
> anyway...
> Setting chg_curlim won't help whatsoever, as you can set it only during
> device
> powered up and system running, and during this time the system consumption
> USB-to-SYS will add to the chg_curlim you set. So you exceed intended USB
> current by setting chg_curlim to the value you intend for USB current, just
> to shutdown device after that and hope to reach 'correct' USB current then
> eventually - that's silly.
>
>
In my case I used setting chg_curlim also for when phone is on.
Yes chg_curlim does not help to force usb real current to ie. 750m exactly.
But ! This way I could have my phone use approx 750mA when on (by setting
chg_curlim to 500mA).

Of course it may sometimes consume up to 1A if needed (the peaks I was
talking about...).
But this is ok in my case for my weak dumb charger.
What would not be ok is having chg_curlim not forced and phone pulling 1A
for 30 minutes continuously while charging the battery faster than I need...
(And usb_curlim to 500mA would on the other hand not charge quickly enough
(about 300mA).)
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Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]

[Robin Paulson]

2009/5/7 Helge Hafting :
> It is still fully useable if you connect a usb mouse (and enable
> the X cursor, which is easy.) But you probably don't want to use a phone
> with a mouse. :-)

you could always add a trackpad, maybe on the back case?

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Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]

[Helge Hafting]

roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
> On 6/05/2009 6:39 PM, Yorick Moko wrote:
>> have you tried pairing yourn FR to the ps3
>> to use it as a controller/keyboard/music(or picture)streamer/whatever ?
> 
> Since I left my FR out in the rain, I haven't done much with it.
> 
> Surprisingly, it still works ... but the touch area of the shelf doesn't 
> function. So I can boot, take a call but as soon as I load an app I 
> can't go back etc. I've been meaning to throw the debian sd card back in 

Just turn the display upside down using "xrandr", then the shelf is 
placed in a touch area that works. Or perhaps 90 degrees.

Try it out with the terminal. If it works well, add the command
to some startup script so it happens automatically.

It is still fully useable if you connect a usb mouse (and enable
the X cursor, which is easy.) But you probably don't want to use a phone 
with a mouse. :-)

Also consider taking the display apart for cleaning. Water quickly cause 
corrotion wherever there is electricity. Might be worth a try taking the 
display off and cleaning with something like alcohol. Alcohol dissolves
any water left over, it doesn't conduct electricity, and lefover alcohol 
evaporate quickly. If you get rid of any trapped water and corroded 
gunk, then the touchscreen might improve.

There is the risk of breaking the thing further, but it seems 
sufficiently broken alredy.

Helge Hafting

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