Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Owen,

Knowing you Owen, if you have the evidence, you will be quick to share them on 
this platform. Your refusal to provide the evidence you claimed they exist is a 
way to escape the disgrace your lies is already causing you in terms of 
credibility.  This community knows that you have no proof to show and that you 
are simply indulging in subterfuge.

GO IN PEACE  !!!


Marcus



From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:00 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
; Brian Sowers 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I assure you it exists. I’ll even narrow it down to the last three months for 
you.

That should make your archival research easier.

I haven’t lied and I challenge you to prove that.

Your claim that they do not exist is the lie, My refusal to do your research 
for you is simply that.

Owen


On Aug 23, 2021, at 14:39 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,


You cannot be my secretary because of your lack of honesty.

You claim that you provided answers to questions you were asked. When I asked 
you to prove them, you are have failed to produce the links. Because you are 
caught with your lies, you are asking me to research for what does not exist.


SHAME !!!



Marcus

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 6:11:55 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

Do your own research. I’m not your secretary.

Owen


On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:37 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,

Then share the links of your responses.


Marcus

Marcus




Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:28:51 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

John’s question was answered well before he asked it.

Owen


On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,

You have not. Asking for petition before you provide the answer is your way to 
answer specific questions? Be honest and provide the answers. Don't forget to 
answer the question (Y/N) from John too.



Marcus

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the 
answers is not my
responsibility.

Owen


On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:19 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,

Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.


Marcus





Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
To: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING



On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya 
mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear AfriNIC's Community,

Please find my comments below, inline...

Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a écrit :
I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?


Hi Owen,
...brother, thanks for you email.

Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(

No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
constitutes an attempt
to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the idea 
of questioning an
organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
wo

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss]

I assure you it exists. I’ll even narrow it down to the last three months for 
you.

That should make your archival research easier.

I haven’t lied and I challenge you to prove that.

Your claim that they do not exist is the lie, My refusal to do your research 
for you is simply that.

Owen


> On Aug 23, 2021, at 14:39 , Marcus K. G. Adomey  wrote:
> 
> Owen,
> 
> 
> You cannot be my secretary because of your lack of honesty. 
> 
> You claim that you provided answers to questions you were asked. When I asked 
> you to prove them, you are have failed to produce the links. Because you are 
> caught with your lies, you are asking me to research for what does not exist. 
> 
> 
> SHAME !!!
> 
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> From: Owen DeLong 
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 6:11:55 PM
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> ; Brian Sowers 
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
> RUNNING
>  
> Do your own research. I’m not your secretary.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:37 , Marcus K. G. Adomey > <mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Owen,
>> 
>> Then share the links of your responses.
>> 
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:28:51 PM
>> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
>> Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
>> Discussions of AFRINIC > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers > <mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
>> RUNNING
>>  
>> John’s question was answered well before he asked it.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Marcus K. G. Adomey >> <mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Owen, 
>>> 
>>> You have not. Asking for petition before you provide the answer is your way 
>>> to answer specific questions? Be honest and provide the answers. Don't 
>>> forget to answer the question (Y/N) from John too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM
>>> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
>>> Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
>>> Discussions of AFRINIC >> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers 
>>> mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
>>> RUNNING
>>>  
>>> I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read 
>>> the answers is not my
>>> responsibility.
>>> 
>>> Owen
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:19 , Marcus K. G. Adomey >>> <mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Owen,
>>>> 
>>>> Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marcus
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>> From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss >>> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
>>>> To: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>
>>>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >>> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers 
>>>> mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
>>>> RUNNING
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya >>>> <mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear AfriNIC's Community,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please find my comments below, inline...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
>>>>> mailto:community-

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Owen,


You cannot be my secretary because of your lack of honesty.

You claim that you provided answers to questions you were asked. When I asked 
you to prove them, you are have failed to produce the links. Because you are 
caught with your lies, you are asking me to research for what does not exist.


SHAME !!!



Marcus

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 6:11:55 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
; Brian Sowers 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

Do your own research. I’m not your secretary.

Owen


On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:37 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,

Then share the links of your responses.


Marcus

Marcus




Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:28:51 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

John’s question was answered well before he asked it.

Owen


On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,

You have not. Asking for petition before you provide the answer is your way to 
answer specific questions? Be honest and provide the answers. Don't forget to 
answer the question (Y/N) from John too.



Marcus

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the 
answers is not my
responsibility.

Owen


On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:19 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,

Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.


Marcus





Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
To: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING



On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya 
mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear AfriNIC's Community,

Please find my comments below, inline...

Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a écrit :
I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?


Hi Owen,
...brother, thanks for you email.

Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(

No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
constitutes an attempt
to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the idea 
of questioning an
organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
worse, its
descent into corruption and malfeasance.


Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent


AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of us
are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 'predators')
as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()

...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while they are
defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your champion,
though...

>From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
rules as written.




and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?


Question already answered here [1]! please let's know if it isn't enough for 
you.

I didn’t say that the question wasn’t adequately answered. I questioned the 
person
who characterized the asking of the question as an attempt to kill the RIR for 
that
act.


I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.


Owen, could you, please, elaborate a bit more on the above?
...i can not wait to 

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss]

Do your own research. I’m not your secretary.

Owen


> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:37 , Marcus K. G. Adomey  wrote:
> 
> Owen,
> 
> Then share the links of your responses.
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> From: Owen DeLong 
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:28:51 PM
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> ; Brian Sowers 
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
> RUNNING
>  
> John’s question was answered well before he asked it.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Marcus K. G. Adomey > <mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Owen, 
>> 
>> You have not. Asking for petition before you provide the answer is your way 
>> to answer specific questions? Be honest and provide the answers. Don't 
>> forget to answer the question (Y/N) from John too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM
>> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
>> Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
>> Discussions of AFRINIC > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers > <mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
>> RUNNING
>>  
>> I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the 
>> answers is not my
>> responsibility.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:19 , Marcus K. G. Adomey >> <mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Owen,
>>> 
>>> Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss >> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
>>> To: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>
>>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC >> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers 
>>> mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
>>> RUNNING
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya >>> <mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear AfriNIC's Community,
>>>> 
>>>> Please find my comments below, inline...
>>>> 
>>>> Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
>>>> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a 
>>>> écrit :
>>>> I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Owen,
>>>> ...brother, thanks for you email.
>>>> 
>>>> Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(
>>> 
>>> No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
>>> constitutes an attempt
>>> to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the 
>>> idea of questioning an
>>> organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
>>> worse, its
>>> descent into corruption and malfeasance.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its 
>>>> consent
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of 
>>>> us 
>>>> are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 
>>>> 'predators') 
>>>> as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()
>>>> 
>>>> ...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while 
>>>> they are 
>>>> defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your 
>>>> champion, 
>>>> though...
>>> 
>>> >From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
>>> and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
>>> 

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[John Curran]

On 22 Aug 2021, at 1:06 PM, General Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:

Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal 
battle at this time.

Mr DeLong -

This is good to know - thank you for the explanation.   Could you note whether 
this sudden new-found inability to comment on the Cloud Innovations number 
resource usage is a recent change?

I ask because back when I posed the question on 5 August (and for many weeks 
prior),  you seemed have no difficulty whatsoever commenting extensively about 
the dispute and Cloud Innovation’s virtuousness –

On 5 Aug 2021, at 6:04 PM, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:
...
ALL LIRs lease INRs. Many do it in relation to also providing
connectivity services. Cloud Innovation also does it in relation
to providing connectivity services in some (but not all) cases.

... We (Cloud Innovation) have customers just like any other LIR.
We (Cloud Innovation) assign addresses to them for use on internet
connected hosts, just like any other LIR. The only distinction between
us (Cloud Innovation) and most other LIRs is that we will do so regardless
of whether we are the provider of that connectivity or not.

Obviously a simple yes/no answer to my question at the time (i.e. “Is Cloud 
Innovation’s usage today of the number resources for the same purpose for which 
they were originally requested and issued?”) would have been optimal, but c'est 
la vie…

I do have a point of confusion on your new-found inability to comment – is it 
perhaps one-sided, i.e. only with regard to addressing factual matters 
regarding “We (Cloud Innovation)” and your number resources usage?   I ask, of 
course, because you still seem to have freedom to comment on matters related to 
the dispute when it does suit you: e.g. purporting process issues at AFRINC on 
this list on 12 August, etc.

After weeks of justifying of the righteousness of CI and its actions, the 
sudden silence after a single question is somewhat inexplicable – do you know 
if perhaps someone else from CI might be available to address it – I understand 
they may not have your depth of knowledge, but surely that’s not needed for a 
single yes/no question?

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

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Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Anthony Ubah]

Hello Amadu Yusif,

 I do not think it is wise to ignore the rot and inadequacies pointed out
on the system within AFRINIC.
While I am in support of AFRINIC and the support initiated (in line with
Dewole Ajao's propositions refund donors as prorated fees for resources
owned and services),
Terming opposition doomsday prophecy is a pithole we should be extremely
cautious of in this situation, as the bandwagon and Yesman situation will
be digging our own graves.

To add to this I would like to bring a few questions forward on this
"FUNDRAISING & DONATION" initiative, it is not without it's heavy risks and
complexities;
1. Did you know that doing this Fundraiser can drive this RIR into the
mercy of some individual/resource owners with huge donations?. This be a
Catch-22 situation, and trigger a chain of similar crises?
[If a resource owner has generously contributed to bailing out afrinic in
its own mess today, can Afrinic still wield the power to administer over
there resources, if the same scenario where AFRINIC is required to reclaim
such resources.]
2. How can the integrity of the personas generously funding AFRINIC be
vetted?
3. Is there a cap on donations?
4. Will this be an avenue to launder funds? What is the check in place for
this?
5.Why is the funding initiative not out of Mauritius, where the same legal
system can call into play on the administration of these funds.

I'm sure the list can go on.

*Best Regards,*

*Anthony Ubah*

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 1:02 AM AMADU YUSIF  wrote:

> I think we should concentrate more on how to support AFRNIC to stand on
> its feet during this crisis and ignore the doom prophets.
>
> Yusif Amadu
> eLearning Unit
> University of Ghana Computing Systems
> University of Ghana
> Cell: +233244659245
> Skype:  kooissi
>
> --
> *From:* Mirriam via Community-Discuss 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 20, 2021 10:42 AM
> *To:* Owen DeLong ; Boubakar Barry <
> boubakar.ba...@wacren.net>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP
> AFRINIC RUNNING
>
> Dear Boubakar,
>
> The wise elders have always advised  "never to bite the hand that feeds
> you" and I totally understand Owen Delong's silence :-) during these tough
> times. Honesty is not for the faint-hearted.
>
> Mirriam.
>
>
> On Friday, August 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM GMT+3, Boubakar Barry <
> boubakar.ba...@wacren.net> wrote:
>
>
> Owen,
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 4:36 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
> community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:
>
> I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?
>
> Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its
> consent and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly
> on its behalf?
>
>
> You were asked a simpler question and you fail to respond.
>
> Boubakar
>
>
> I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger
> problems than its financial state.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 00:17 , AMADU YUSIF  wrote:
>
> Daniel, I strongly agree with you. Some members here from their actions
> wants to kill AFRINIC
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ----------
> *From:* DANIEL NANGHAKA 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM
> *To:* Brian Sowers 
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP
> AFRINIC RUNNING
>
> I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their
> actions show they want to kill AFRINIC.
> If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the
> other regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over
> AFRINIC.
> In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage
> Resources that were designated to Africa.
> So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them
> leave African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
> Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad
> daylight.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers  wrote:
>
> One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC
> agreed to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource
> members in the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from
> AFRINIC because it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who
> has received this consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?
>
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[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Owen,

Then share the links of your responses.


Marcus

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From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:28:51 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
; Brian Sowers 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

John’s question was answered well before he asked it.

Owen


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Owen,

You have not. Asking for petition before you provide the answer is your way to 
answer specific questions? Be honest and provide the answers. Don't forget to 
answer the question (Y/N) from John too.



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From: Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>; General 
Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the 
answers is not my
responsibility.

Owen


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Owen,

Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.


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Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
To: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
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RUNNING



On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya 
mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear AfriNIC's Community,

Please find my comments below, inline...

Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a écrit :
I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?


Hi Owen,
...brother, thanks for you email.

Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(

No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
constitutes an attempt
to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the idea 
of questioning an
organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
worse, its
descent into corruption and malfeasance.


Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent


AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of us
are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 'predators')
as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()

...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while they are
defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your champion,
though...

>From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
rules as written.




and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?


Question already answered here [1]! please let's know if it isn't enough for 
you.

I didn’t say that the question wasn’t adequately answered. I questioned the 
person
who characterized the asking of the question as an attempt to kill the RIR for 
that
act.


I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.


Owen, could you, please, elaborate a bit more on the above?
...i can not wait to hear what you are predicting for the Future of AfriNIC [6]
and of the RFC7020. Please, be examplarily transparent :'-(
Don't run away!

Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal 
battle at this time.

I predict errata will be filed against RFC-7020 because it claims to document 
the current state
of the RIR system at the time of writing and the statement that global 
providers universally deal
with multiple RIRs has incorrect implications and is not entirely accurate. 
There are plenty of
global networks that deal with a single RIR and even those that deal with 
multiple RIRs do
not necessarily deal with the RIR for each and every region where they operate.

There is widespread use of addresses from every RIR in other regions, including 
a lot of address
space in use within Africa that is issued by ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC.

Owen



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[Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss]

John’s question was answered well before he asked it.

Owen


> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Marcus K. G. Adomey  wrote:
> 
> Owen, 
> 
> You have not. Asking for petition before you provide the answer is your way 
> to answer specific questions? Be honest and provide the answers. Don't forget 
> to answer the question (Y/N) from John too.
> 
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 
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> From: Owen DeLong 
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> ; Brian Sowers 
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
> RUNNING
>  
> I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the 
> answers is not my
> responsibility.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:19 , Marcus K. G. Adomey > <mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Owen,
>> 
>> Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.
>> 
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
>> To: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>
>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers > <mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
>> RUNNING
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya >> <mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear AfriNIC's Community,
>>> 
>>> Please find my comments below, inline...
>>> 
>>> Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
>>> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a 
>>> écrit :
>>> I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Owen,
>>> ...brother, thanks for you email.
>>> 
>>> Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(
>> 
>> No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
>> constitutes an attempt
>> to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the 
>> idea of questioning an
>> organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
>> worse, its
>> descent into corruption and malfeasance.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its 
>>> consent
>>> 
>>> 
>>> AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of 
>>> us 
>>> are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 
>>> 'predators') 
>>> as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()
>>> 
>>> ...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while they 
>>> are 
>>> defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your champion, 
>>> though...
>> 
>> >From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
>> and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
>> rules as written.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its 
>>> behalf?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Question already answered here [1]! please let's know if it isn't enough 
>>> for you.
>> 
>> I didn’t say that the question wasn’t adequately answered. I questioned the 
>> person
>> who characterized the asking of the question as an attempt to kill the RIR 
>> for that
>> act.
>> 
>> 
>>> I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
>>> than its financial state.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Owen, could you, please, elaborate a bit more on the above?
>>> ...i can not wait to hear what you are predicting for the Future of AfriNIC 
>>> [6] 
>>> and of the RFC7020. Please, be examplarily transparent :'-(
>>> Don't run away!
>> 
>> Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal 
>> battle at this time.
>> 
>> I predict errata will be filed against RFC-7020 because it claims to 
>> document the current state
>> of the RIR system at the time of writing and the statement that global 
>> providers universally deal
>> with multiple RIRs has incorrect implications and is not entirely accurate. 
>> There are plenty of
>> global networks that deal with a single RIR and even those that deal with 
>> multiple RIRs do
>> not necessarily deal with the RIR for each and every region where they 
>> operate.
>> 
>> There is widespread use of addresses from every RIR in other regions, 
>> including a lot of address
>> space in use within Africa that is issued by ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
> 

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[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Owen,

You have not. Asking for petition before you provide the answer is your way to 
answer specific questions? Be honest and provide the answers. Don't forget to 
answer the question (Y/N) from John too.



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From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
; Brian Sowers 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the 
answers is not my
responsibility.

Owen


On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:19 , Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Owen,

Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.


Marcus





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From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
To: Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian 
Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
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RUNNING



On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya 
mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear AfriNIC's Community,

Please find my comments below, inline...

Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a écrit :
I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?


Hi Owen,
...brother, thanks for you email.

Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(

No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
constitutes an attempt
to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the idea 
of questioning an
organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
worse, its
descent into corruption and malfeasance.


Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent


AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of us
are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 'predators')
as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()

...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while they are
defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your champion,
though...

>From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
rules as written.




and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?


Question already answered here [1]! please let's know if it isn't enough for 
you.

I didn’t say that the question wasn’t adequately answered. I questioned the 
person
who characterized the asking of the question as an attempt to kill the RIR for 
that
act.


I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.


Owen, could you, please, elaborate a bit more on the above?
...i can not wait to hear what you are predicting for the Future of AfriNIC [6]
and of the RFC7020. Please, be examplarily transparent :'-(
Don't run away!

Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal 
battle at this time.

I predict errata will be filed against RFC-7020 because it claims to document 
the current state
of the RIR system at the time of writing and the statement that global 
providers universally deal
with multiple RIRs has incorrect implications and is not entirely accurate. 
There are plenty of
global networks that deal with a single RIR and even those that deal with 
multiple RIRs do
not necessarily deal with the RIR for each and every region where they operate.

There is widespread use of addresses from every RIR in other regions, including 
a lot of address
space in use within Africa that is issued by ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC.

Owen


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[Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss]

I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the 
answers is not my
responsibility.

Owen


> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:19 , Marcus K. G. Adomey  wrote:
> 
> Owen,
> 
> Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
> To: Sylvain Baya 
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; Brian 
> Sowers 
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
> RUNNING
>  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya > <mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear AfriNIC's Community,
>> 
>> Please find my comments below, inline...
>> 
>> Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
>> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a 
>> écrit :
>> I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Owen,
>> ...brother, thanks for you email.
>> 
>> Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(
> 
> No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
> constitutes an attempt
> to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the 
> idea of questioning an
> organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
> worse, its
> descent into corruption and malfeasance.
>> 
>>  
>> Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its 
>> consent
>> 
>> 
>> AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of us 
>> are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 
>> 'predators') 
>> as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()
>> 
>> ...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while they 
>> are 
>> defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your champion, 
>> though...
> 
> >From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
> and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
> rules as written.
> 
> 
>> 
>>  
>> and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its 
>> behalf?
>> 
>> 
>> Question already answered here [1]! please let's know if it isn't enough for 
>> you.
> 
> I didn’t say that the question wasn’t adequately answered. I questioned the 
> person
> who characterized the asking of the question as an attempt to kill the RIR 
> for that
> act.
> 
> 
>> I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
>> than its financial state.
>> 
>> 
>> Owen, could you, please, elaborate a bit more on the above?
>> ...i can not wait to hear what you are predicting for the Future of AfriNIC 
>> [6] 
>> and of the RFC7020. Please, be examplarily transparent :'-(
>> Don't run away!
> 
> Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal 
> battle at this time.
> 
> I predict errata will be filed against RFC-7020 because it claims to document 
> the current state
> of the RIR system at the time of writing and the statement that global 
> providers universally deal
> with multiple RIRs has incorrect implications and is not entirely accurate. 
> There are plenty of
> global networks that deal with a single RIR and even those that deal with 
> multiple RIRs do
> not necessarily deal with the RIR for each and every region where they 
> operate.
> 
> There is widespread use of addresses from every RIR in other regions, 
> including a lot of address
> space in use within Africa that is issued by ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC.
> 
> Owen
> 

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[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Owen,

Stop your diversionary tactics and provide answers to questions asked you.


Marcus





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From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM
To: Sylvain Baya 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; Brian 
Sowers 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING



On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya 
mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear AfriNIC's Community,

Please find my comments below, inline...

Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a écrit :
I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?


Hi Owen,
...brother, thanks for you email.

Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(

No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
constitutes an attempt
to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the idea 
of questioning an
organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
worse, its
descent into corruption and malfeasance.


Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent


AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of us
are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 'predators')
as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()

...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while they are
defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your champion,
though...

>From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
rules as written.




and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?


Question already answered here [1]! please let's know if it isn't enough for 
you.

I didn’t say that the question wasn’t adequately answered. I questioned the 
person
who characterized the asking of the question as an attempt to kill the RIR for 
that
act.


I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.


Owen, could you, please, elaborate a bit more on the above?
...i can not wait to hear what you are predicting for the Future of AfriNIC [6]
and of the RFC7020. Please, be examplarily transparent :'-(
Don't run away!

Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal 
battle at this time.

I predict errata will be filed against RFC-7020 because it claims to document 
the current state
of the RIR system at the time of writing and the statement that global 
providers universally deal
with multiple RIRs has incorrect implications and is not entirely accurate. 
There are plenty of
global networks that deal with a single RIR and even those that deal with 
multiple RIRs do
not necessarily deal with the RIR for each and every region where they operate.

There is widespread use of addresses from every RIR in other regions, including 
a lot of address
space in use within Africa that is issued by ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC.

Owen

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[Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss]

> On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya  wrote:
> 
> Dear AfriNIC's Community,
> 
> Please find my comments below, inline...
> 
> Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a 
> écrit :
> I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?
> 
> 
> Hi Owen,
> ...brother, thanks for you email.
> 
> Please add the context; then you'll become less confused :'-(

No, with the context, I still do not understand how a simple question 
constitutes an attempt
to kill an RIR. Indeed, I find that it is people who are resistant to the idea 
of questioning an
organization that are most likely to lead to said organizations demise or 
worse, its
descent into corruption and malfeasance.
> 
>  
> Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its 
> consent
> 
> 
> AfriNIC needs to be defended these hard times and it appears that some of us 
> are doing very well *our* common duty (protecting our RIR against 
> 'predators') 
> as a *community*. (You should have been proud of them :'-()
> 
> ...i found it admirable! and i wouldn't like to cross their way; while they 
> are 
> defending AfriNIC...not you? Feel free to continue to defend your champion, 
> though...

From my perspective I am attempting to defend AFRINIC and it’s member base
and community from a staff and board which are determined to violate the
rules as written.


> 
>  
> and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its 
> behalf?
> 
> 
> Question already answered here [1]! please let's know if it isn't enough for 
> you.

I didn’t say that the question wasn’t adequately answered. I questioned the 
person
who characterized the asking of the question as an attempt to kill the RIR for 
that
act.


> I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
> than its financial state.
> 
> 
> Owen, could you, please, elaborate a bit more on the above?
> ...i can not wait to hear what you are predicting for the Future of AfriNIC 
> [6] 
> and of the RFC7020. Please, be examplarily transparent :'-(
> Don't run away!

Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal 
battle at this time.

I predict errata will be filed against RFC-7020 because it claims to document 
the current state
of the RIR system at the time of writing and the statement that global 
providers universally deal
with multiple RIRs has incorrect implications and is not entirely accurate. 
There are plenty of
global networks that deal with a single RIR and even those that deal with 
multiple RIRs do
not necessarily deal with the RIR for each and every region where they operate.

There is widespread use of addresses from every RIR in other regions, including 
a lot of address
space in use within Africa that is issued by ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC.

Owen

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[AMADU YUSIF]

I think we should concentrate more on how to support AFRNIC to stand on its 
feet during this crisis and ignore the doom prophets.

Yusif Amadu
eLearning Unit
University of Ghana Computing Systems
University of Ghana
Cell: +233244659245
Skype:  kooissi


From: Mirriam via Community-Discuss 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 10:42 AM
To: Owen DeLong ; Boubakar Barry 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

Dear Boubakar,

The wise elders have always advised  "never to bite the hand that feeds you" 
and I totally understand Owen Delong's silence :-) during these tough times. 
Honesty is not for the faint-hearted.

Mirriam.


On Friday, August 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM GMT+3, Boubakar Barry 
 wrote:


Owen,

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 4:36 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:
I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?

Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent 
and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?

You were asked a simpler question and you fail to respond.

Boubakar


I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.

Owen


On Aug 20, 2021, at 00:17 , AMADU YUSIF 
mailto:yam...@ug.edu.gh>> wrote:

Daniel, I strongly agree with you. Some members here from their actions wants 
to kill AFRINIC

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From: DANIEL NANGHAKA mailto:dndann...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM
To: Brian Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their actions 
show they want to kill AFRINIC.
If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the other 
regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over AFRINIC.
In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage 
Resources that were designated to Africa.
So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them leave 
African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad daylight.

Daniel

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers 
mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC agreed 
to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource members in 
the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from AFRINIC because 
it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who has received this 
consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?

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Marcus,

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-August/004717.html

I encourage you to look at numbered items 3, 4, 5, and 6 in which Taiwo has 
generously provided a concise description of the current administration’s 
actions. As for its past historical actions described by 1 and 2, these have 
been corroborated by Ronald’s own sleuth work. 

In my opinion, proponents to maintain the status quo are apologists. The data 
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[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Hi Brian,

You wrote

"Normally I wouldn’t care about this initiative, but unless AFRINIC undergoes a 
change of culture away from its history of fraud, opaqueness, and scandals, I 
will continue to voice my opinion."

I would like to join you in this fight  BUT before I do so, please, prove 
beyond reasonable doubt that the current Administration and Board have indulged 
in fraud, opaqueness and scandal as you claim.

Thank you,


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Bukola,

A mailing list is a sounding board for members to voice their opinions. 
Normally I wouldn’t care about this initiative, but unless AFRINIC undergoes a 
change of culture away from its history of fraud, opaqueness, and scandals, I 
will continue to voice my opinion. Why send funds to an organization that 
wouldn’t be out of its character to siphon away or skim off the top of for 
private interests? This initiative is to maintain the status quo and is one I 
don’t agree with. This community mustn’t forget that change is good lest it 
suffers from the same pattern of ill-advised policy, corruption, and fraud. It 
is quite possible for a RIR undergoing litigation to bypass scrutiny from the 
community concerning its financial matters, but not now with AFRINIC.

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[Brian Sowers]

Bukola, 

A mailing list is a sounding board for members to voice their opinions. 
Normally I wouldn’t care about this initiative, but unless AFRINIC undergoes a 
change of culture away from its history of fraud, opaqueness, and scandals, I 
will continue to voice my opinion. Why send funds to an organization that 
wouldn’t be out of its character to siphon away or skim off the top of for 
private interests? This initiative is to maintain the status quo and is one I 
don’t agree with. This community mustn’t forget that change is good lest it 
suffers from the same pattern of ill-advised policy, corruption, and fraud. It 
is quite possible for a RIR undergoing litigation to bypass scrutiny from the 
community concerning its financial matters, but not now with AFRINIC. 

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[Mirriam via Community-Discuss]

 Dear Boubakar,

The wise elders have always advised  "never to bite the hand that feeds you" 
and I totally understand Owen Delong's silence :-) during these tough times. 
Honesty is not for the faint-hearted.

Mirriam.

On Friday, August 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM GMT+3, Boubakar Barry 
 wrote:  
 
 Owen,
On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 4:36 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
 wrote:

I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?
Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent 
and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?

You were asked a simpler question and you fail to respond.
Boubakar


I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.
Owen


On Aug 20, 2021, at 00:17 , AMADU YUSIF  wrote:
Daniel, I strongly agree with you. Some members here from their actions wants 
to kill AFRINIC 
Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: DANIEL NANGHAKA 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM
To: Brian Sowers 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their 
actions show they want to kill AFRINIC. If they are not in support of 
sustainability - why don't they move to the other regions where they want to 
migrate or want the region to take over AFRINIC. In the history of the creation 
of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage Resources that were designated to 
Africa. So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them 
leave African resources and look for resources in those respective 
regions.Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad 
daylight.
Daniel 
On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers  wrote:

One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC agreed 
to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource members in 
the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from AFRINIC because 
it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who has received this 
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[Boubakar Barry]

Owen,

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 4:36 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?
>
> Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its
> consent and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly
> on its behalf?
>

You were asked a simpler question and you fail to respond.

Boubakar


> I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger
> problems than its financial state.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 00:17 , AMADU YUSIF  wrote:
>
> Daniel, I strongly agree with you. Some members here from their actions
> wants to kill AFRINIC
>
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> *From:* DANIEL NANGHAKA 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM
> *To:* Brian Sowers 
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP
> AFRINIC RUNNING
>
> I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their
> actions show they want to kill AFRINIC.
> If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the
> other regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over
> AFRINIC.
> In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage
> Resources that were designated to Africa.
> So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them
> leave African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
> Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad
> daylight.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers  wrote:
>
> One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC
> agreed to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource
> members in the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from
> AFRINIC because it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who
> has received this consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?
>
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[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Owen,

Please don't use any email to run away from the questions John and I asked you 
in two different emails. The community needs the answers.

Be serious!!!


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From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:34:51 PM
To: AMADU YUSIF 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; Brian 
Sowers 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?

Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent 
and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?

I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.

Owen


On Aug 20, 2021, at 00:17 , AMADU YUSIF 
mailto:yam...@ug.edu.gh>> wrote:

Daniel, I strongly agree with you. Some members here from their actions wants 
to kill AFRINIC

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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM
To: Brian Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their actions 
show they want to kill AFRINIC.
If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the other 
regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over AFRINIC.
In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage 
Resources that were designated to Africa.
So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them leave 
African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad daylight.

Daniel

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers 
mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC agreed 
to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource members in 
the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from AFRINIC because 
it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who has received this 
consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?

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[Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss]

I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC?

Is AFRINIC so fragile that it cannot withstand a simple question of its consent 
and cooperation in a process initiated by third parties allegedly on its behalf?

I would think not. If it is so fragile, then there are much bigger problems 
than its financial state.

Owen


> On Aug 20, 2021, at 00:17 , AMADU YUSIF  wrote:
> 
> Daniel, I strongly agree with you. Some members here from their actions wants 
> to kill AFRINIC 
> 
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> From: DANIEL NANGHAKA 
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM
> To: Brian Sowers 
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
> RUNNING
>  
> I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their 
> actions show they want to kill AFRINIC. 
> If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the 
> other regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over 
> AFRINIC. 
> In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage 
> Resources that were designated to Africa. 
> So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them leave 
> African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
> Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad daylight.
> 
> Daniel 
> 
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers  <mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC 
> agreed to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource 
> members in the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from 
> AFRINIC because it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who has 
> received this consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?
> 
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[Bukola Oronti]

++1.
To those Africans that are beneficiaries of the crumbs (in the form of
travel support to AFRINIC meetings) and have thus lost your sense of
judgement in the face of reality, if you cannot support the initiative, why
not just keep quiet and let those who choose to do so support it in peace?

I honestly hope when the time comes, you will be able to hold your heads up
high and say you did the right thing and not that your throats were blocked
because of what you must have eaten, and were typing out scripts that you
did not read to understand.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 07:08, DANIEL NANGHAKA  wrote:

> I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their
> actions show they want to kill AFRINIC.
> If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the
> other regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over
> AFRINIC.
> In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage
> Resources that were designated to Africa.
> So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them
> leave African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
> Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad
> daylight.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers  wrote:
>
>> One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC
>> agreed to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource
>> members in the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from
>> AFRINIC because it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who
>> has received this consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?
>>
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Daniel, I strongly agree with you. Some members here from their actions wants 
to kill AFRINIC

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From: DANIEL NANGHAKA 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM
To: Brian Sowers 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their actions 
show they want to kill AFRINIC.
If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the other 
regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over AFRINIC.
In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage 
Resources that were designated to Africa.
So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them leave 
African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad daylight.

Daniel

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers 
mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC agreed 
to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource members in 
the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from AFRINIC because 
it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who has received this 
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[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their
actions show they want to kill AFRINIC.
If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the
other regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over
AFRINIC.
In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage
Resources that were designated to Africa.
So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them
leave African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad
daylight.

Daniel

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers  wrote:

> One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC
> agreed to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource
> members in the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from
> AFRINIC because it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who
> has received this consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?
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One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC agreed 
to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource members in 
the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from AFRINIC because 
it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who has received this 
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[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I strongly agree.

Let's all support the sustainability of AFRINIC to ensure a stable internet
ecosystem.

Daniel

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 5:47 PM Ronald F. Guilmette 
wrote:

> In message  cnepg6qtn5wm5265z9zyl5hnynudhwbooawjw...@mail.gmail.com>,
> Ibeanusi Elvis  wrote:
>
> >Regarding the legalities of this initiative, I would want to verify
> >something; did a lawyer review this idea to ensure that this initiative
> >will not be viewed in contempt with regards to the decision of the
> >Mauritius court?
>
> The court placed a (temporary) freeze on AFRINIC's bank accounts.
>
> If I, as a generous netizen, elect to send $50 USD -directly- to some
> Afrinic employee, then that is not something that either can or will
> concern the Mauritius court that created the AFRINIC bank account freeze,
> as long as I do not attempt to route the money through any of the frozen
> AFRINIC bank accounts that existed on the date and time when the judicial
> freeze order took effect.  (If AFRINIC were to open a -new- account, either
> in Mauritius or elsewhere, then that account would not be in any sense
> frozen by the current operative judicial order, I believe.)
>
> It's the same story if one was to create a GoFundMe campaign for AFRINIC.
> The court order did not specify that GoFundMe.com is prohibited from
> forwarding funds to AFRINIC or to its officers or employees.
>
> In fact, if this entire sad episode has taught us anything, it is that all
> five of the Regional Internet Registries should at all times hold bank
> balances ONLY in Nevis & St. Kitts, where those bank balances would be
> essentially immune from any and all legal encumbrances.
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[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message 
, 
Ibeanusi Elvis  wrote:

>Regarding the legalities of this initiative, I would want to verify
>something; did a lawyer review this idea to ensure that this initiative
>will not be viewed in contempt with regards to the decision of the
>Mauritius court?

The court placed a (temporary) freeze on AFRINIC's bank accounts.

If I, as a generous netizen, elect to send $50 USD -directly- to some
Afrinic employee, then that is not something that either can or will
concern the Mauritius court that created the AFRINIC bank account freeze,
as long as I do not attempt to route the money through any of the frozen
AFRINIC bank accounts that existed on the date and time when the judicial
freeze order took effect.  (If AFRINIC were to open a -new- account, either
in Mauritius or elsewhere, then that account would not be in any sense
frozen by the current operative judicial order, I believe.)

It's the same story if one was to create a GoFundMe campaign for AFRINIC.
The court order did not specify that GoFundMe.com is prohibited from
forwarding funds to AFRINIC or to its officers or employees.

In fact, if this entire sad episode has taught us anything, it is that all
five of the Regional Internet Registries should at all times hold bank
balances ONLY in Nevis & St. Kitts, where those bank balances would be
essentially immune from any and all legal encumbrances.


Regards,
rfg

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[Christian Orozco]

Behind these extra steps to raise funds for AFRINIC, does anyone know what
will happen to the accounts which have not yet been disbursed to AFRINIC?
It would be good to know more about them first before having conscious
efforts to raise funds and donations for AFRINIC as those accounts may play
a huge role in the current situation. I am looking forward to the
clarification or resolution of this issue.



Regards,
Christian



On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:45 AM Noah  wrote:

> Dear Internet Community,
>
> You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for
> Africa, is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought
> to have AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is
> easy to abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget
> that there are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and
> providing support for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to
> continue working and engaging.
>
> The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial
> obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who
> are resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise
> that the legal system has to complete its important process, “our
> colleagues still need to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in
> memory.  As an operational entity, that is core to a functioning Internet,
> AFRINIC still has financial obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.
>
> *AF-IX*, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
> *fund-raising
> exercise* to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services running for
> the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on this
> registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number
> Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the
> development and growth of the Internet In the African region.
>
>
> *We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that
> AFRINIC can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable
> digital growth in Africa.*
>
> *You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find
> all different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the
> team by ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.*
> *DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;*   
> *https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
> *
>
>
> *The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;  *
> Technology Service Providers of *Kenya* – *TESPOK*
> *Tanzania* ISP Association – *TISPA*
> *Angola* ISP Association – *AAPSI*
> Internet Exchange Point of *Nigeria* – *IXPN*
>
> For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our
> partners through the following email addresses below:
>
> *i...@af-ix.net   | tes...@tespok.co.ke
>  | secretar...@tispa.or.tz
>  | secretari...@aapsi.og.ao
>  | i...@ixp.net.ng *
>
>
> *For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For
> Details;*
>
>
> *TESPOK* = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
>
> *AF-IX* = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign
>
> *TISPA* = https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic
>
> *ISPA-Angola* = https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic
>
> *IXPN* = https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising
>
>
>
> We look forward to your kind support.
>
>
> Cheers,
> *Noah *
> *TISPA*
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[Mary Lee Salazar via Community-Discuss]

Hello!

It baffles me to think about whether or not these funds are for the payroll
of the AFRINIC employees. How will AFRINIC address these issues, alongside
the legal intricacies it may bring? AFRINIC has not given any consolidated
plan of action to address the issue of its employee payroll. I hope this
will not be an issue of the captain abandoning a sinking ship because if it
ever is, it will undoubtedly taint AFRINIC's reputation. How will AFRINIC
take responsibility for their employees if push comes to shove?

ML

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 6:59 PM Ibeanusi Elvis 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Regarding the legalities of this initiative, I would want to verify
> something; did a lawyer review this idea to ensure that this initiative
> will not be viewed in contempt with regards to the decision of the
> Mauritius court? As we all know, donation drives like these should work
> within the perimeters and bounds of the law and AFRINIC still has an
> ongoing lawsuit, will it not be counterproductive in the part of AFRINIC?
> From where I stand, this initiative happened in a whim and we do not know
> if this initiative has all of the proper safeguard to ensure its
> legitimacy. I hope someone addresses this issue.
>
> Elvis.
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:44 Noah  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 22:55 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, <
>> community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My problem with what you are saying is that it is predicated entirely on
>>> trust –
>>>
>> On the contrary the secretariat which Af-IX partners have selected to
>> work with is TESPOK.
>> TESPOK is a professional organisation that many large and small ISPs
>> including the Government of Kenya has entrusted since 2002.
>>
>>
>> TESPOK and other partners have covered clearly what will happen to the
>> funds and how the donations will be accounted for and the reports that will
>> be made publicly available.
>>
>> Visit the TESPOK website and read and if you feel there is something
>> missing, please let the volunteers in this endeavour know.
>>
>> trust that the board is doing everything they can – trust that the board
>>> is prudent – trust that the board is sticking to fiduciary duty.  I would
>>> argue that trust – may be a little hard to come by when it comes to handing
>>> over money –
>>>
>>
>> The Af-IX and its partners are the ones responsible in this endeavour.
>> The ISP/IXP associations involved are self organised and will be
>> accountable to the donors who will contribute to this fund.
>>
>> I hope this helps you from the self righteous confusion you may be having
>> in terms of how the self-organised Af-IX partners will be ensuring that
>> AFRINIC core functions continue to stay up and running.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Noah
>> TISPA
>>
>>
>> FWIW, the culture of donation is not alien in this part of the world. We
>> donate to support weddings. We donate to support funerals. We donate to
>> support pay for medical expenses. We donate to build community roads. Its
>> our culture and we sure know how to hold each other accountable.
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[Ibeanusi Elvis]

Hello,

Regarding the legalities of this initiative, I would want to verify
something; did a lawyer review this idea to ensure that this initiative
will not be viewed in contempt with regards to the decision of the
Mauritius court? As we all know, donation drives like these should work
within the perimeters and bounds of the law and AFRINIC still has an
ongoing lawsuit, will it not be counterproductive in the part of AFRINIC?
>From where I stand, this initiative happened in a whim and we do not know
if this initiative has all of the proper safeguard to ensure its
legitimacy. I hope someone addresses this issue.

Elvis.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:44 Noah  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 22:55 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, <
> community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> My problem with what you are saying is that it is predicated entirely on
>> trust –
>>
> On the contrary the secretariat which Af-IX partners have selected to work
> with is TESPOK.
> TESPOK is a professional organisation that many large and small ISPs
> including the Government of Kenya has entrusted since 2002.
>
>
> TESPOK and other partners have covered clearly what will happen to the
> funds and how the donations will be accounted for and the reports that will
> be made publicly available.
>
> Visit the TESPOK website and read and if you feel there is something
> missing, please let the volunteers in this endeavour know.
>
> trust that the board is doing everything they can – trust that the board
>> is prudent – trust that the board is sticking to fiduciary duty.  I would
>> argue that trust – may be a little hard to come by when it comes to handing
>> over money –
>>
>
> The Af-IX and its partners are the ones responsible in this endeavour. The
> ISP/IXP associations involved are self organised and will be accountable to
> the donors who will contribute to this fund.
>
> I hope this helps you from the self righteous confusion you may be having
> in terms of how the self-organised Af-IX partners will be ensuring that
> AFRINIC core functions continue to stay up and running.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Noah
> TISPA
>
>
> FWIW, the culture of donation is not alien in this part of the world. We
> donate to support weddings. We donate to support funerals. We donate to
> support pay for medical expenses. We donate to build community roads. Its
> our culture and we sure know how to hold each other accountable.
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[Noah]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 22:55 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> John
>
>
>
> My problem with what you are saying is that it is predicated entirely on
> trust –
>
On the contrary the secretariat which Af-IX partners have selected to work
with is TESPOK.
TESPOK is a professional organisation that many large and small ISPs
including the Government of Kenya has entrusted since 2002.


TESPOK and other partners have covered clearly what will happen to the
funds and how the donations will be accounted for and the reports that will
be made publicly available.

Visit the TESPOK website and read and if you feel there is something
missing, please let the volunteers in this endeavour know.

trust that the board is doing everything they can – trust that the board is
> prudent – trust that the board is sticking to fiduciary duty.  I would
> argue that trust – may be a little hard to come by when it comes to handing
> over money –
>

The Af-IX and its partners are the ones responsible in this endeavour. The
ISP/IXP associations involved are self organised and will be accountable to
the donors who will contribute to this fund.

I hope this helps you from the self righteous confusion you may be having
in terms of how the self-organised Af-IX partners will be ensuring that
AFRINIC core functions continue to stay up and running.


Cheers,
Noah
TISPA


FWIW, the culture of donation is not alien in this part of the world. We
donate to support weddings. We donate to support funerals. We donate to
support pay for medical expenses. We donate to build community roads. Its
our culture and we sure know how to hold each other accountable.
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[John Curran]

On 18 Aug 2021, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:

John

My problem with what you are saying is that it is predicated entirely on trust 
– trust that the board is doing everything they can – trust that the board is 
prudent – trust that the board is sticking to fiduciary duty.  I would argue 
that trust – may be a little hard to come by when it comes to handing over 
money – considering the situation the company now finds itself in under the 
leadership of this board – can considering past years.

Sorry – but as a community member – Questions like these aren’t about feeling 
good and trusting – they are pertinent – valid – questions – that may be 
uncomfortable to answer – but saying that we should just trust – without any 
firm answers – in light of the situation – well – I have to say that personally 
– I find that a little hard to swallow

Andrew

Andrew -

I am not telling you to trust (or not trust for that matter) - this really 
isn’t about you, and would not presume to suggest what course of action is best 
for you.

Rather, I am stating that AFRINIC is supplying substantial updates and 
communication to the community  – particularly given that there is major 
litigation underway.  You may not find it sufficient to address your legal 
assertions posed as questions, but then again, no organization in the midst of 
serious litigation is going to address legal speculation to the extent you seem 
to desire.

Luckily, there is a community that does believe in AFRINIC and has come 
together to support it during this time of need.  You can certainly become a 
member of that community or not, but neither choice will validate your 
unrealistic expectations for organizational legal engagement in midst of 
litigation.

Best wishes,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers



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[Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss]

John

My problem with what you are saying is that it is predicated entirely on trust 
– trust that the board is doing everything they can – trust that the board is 
prudent – trust that the board is sticking to fiduciary duty.  I would argue 
that trust – may be a little hard to come by when it comes to handing over 
money – considering the situation the company now finds itself in under the 
leadership of this board – can considering past years.

Sorry – but as a community member – Questions like these aren’t about feeling 
good and trusting – they are pertinent – valid – questions – that may be 
uncomfortable to answer – but saying that we should just trust – without any 
firm answers – in light of the situation – well – I have to say that personally 
– I find that a little hard to swallow

Andrew


From: John Curran 
Date: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 at 20:26
To: Andrew Alston 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING
On 18 Aug 2021, at 12:43 PM, Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
... any prudent person who is going to donate money – is going to want to know 
certain basic things


  1.  How will the money they are diverting from other projects be spent
  2.  Are the individuals in control of the entity requesting money behaving in 
a way that is both within the bounds of the law and doing everything reasonable 
to ensure that the amount of money being requested is kept to a minimum – I.E – 
that they aren’t taking actions that would increase the burden on members any 
more than it already is
  3.  Is the board complying with their fiduciary duties in all of their 
actions.

Andrew -

These are quite reasonable questions for anyone donating funds to any cause to 
ask.  Of course, given the nature of the litigation faced by AFRINIC that has 
brought about the situation, some of the answers may be rather obvious; to wit -
a) One would expect the money will be used to defray costs of AFRINIC 
operations per its budget – but now likely with the addition of expenses 
resulting from the litigation.
b) One would expect that AFRINIC is doing everything reasonable and prudent to 
avoid increasing the burden on the members (defending against a $1.8 billion 
USD claim certainly qualifies in that regard)
c) One would expect that the board is indeed complying with their fiduciary 
duties in all of their actions (being litigated generally results in increased 
legal expertise on-hand, and ample attention to such duties.)

I find it quite encouraging that so many organizations have already pondered 
these questions, and (in recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays in the 
development and growth of Internet in Africa) that have come together in a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC running – may they find many of 
similar mind and kindred spirit from around the globe.

Best wishes,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
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[Sander Steffann]

Hi John!

> “As easy as” may understate it somewhat, but yes, I believe that is
> the case. (I will note that this is similar to the process which
> would have to occur for delivering support from the Joint RIR
> Stability Fund - if such gets requested at some point.) 

Yeah, I was wondering about that as well 

> > I think it would be good to know how the donated funds will be
> > handled
> > and how they will make life for AFRINIC staff better.
> 
> From the online FAQ at the donation website  <  
> https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001> - 

I read that, but it only talks about invoices and not about salaries.
Those are usually a bit more complicated because of income tax handling
and things like that. I think it would be good for the fundraising
campaign if the FAQ could make it explicit that the staff is being
cared for. I personally care most about the livelihoods of the staff
that has nothing to do with this situation!

Cheers,
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[Noah]

Dear John,

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 20:32 John Curran,  wrote:

>
> I find it quite encouraging that so many organizations have already
> pondered these questions, and (in recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays
> in the development and growth of Internet in Africa) that have come
> together in a fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC running – may they
> find many of similar mind and kindred spirit from around the globe.
>

> Best wishes,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>


I would like to also point out that;

A number of African based IXP/ISP associations (TESPOK Kenya, TISPA
Tanzania, ISPA-Angola, UIXP Uganda, IXPN Nigeria, ISPA-Congo) under the
umbrella of the renowned Af* organisation the "Africa Internet Exchange
Points" (Af-IX), saw it necessary to collaborate and partner together to
run a fundraising campaign that would involve the said parties and the
wider Internet community so that AFRINIC whose core functions, we all
depend on, can keep running without disruption as its our collective
interest.

The Af-IX and TESPOK fundraising web pages and those of the partner ISP/IXP
associations have all the necessary information and we will continue to
improve based on Internet community feedback and also provide complete
transparency and accountability as we move along.

We encourage the Internet community to join these organisations as we work
together to ensure that we KEEP AFRINIC UP AND RUNNING.

Cheers
Noah
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[John Curran]

On 18 Aug 2021, at 1:54 PM, Sander Steffann  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,

Hi Sander!  :-)

>> These are quite reasonable questions for anyone donating funds to any
>> cause to ask. [...] I find it quite encouraging that so many
>> organizations have already pondered these questions, and (in
>> recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays in the development and
>> growth of Internet in Africa) that have come together in a fund-
>> raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC running – may they find many of
>> similar mind and kindred spirit from around the globe.
> 
> I applaud that people are thinking about the staff of AFRINIC not being
> paid and raising funds to keep them going. The thing that confuses me
> is how the logistics work with that. I wonder how the money that is
> donated on TESPOK's bank account in Kenya will end up in the bank
> accounts of AFRINIC staff in Mauritius while AFRINIC (who I presume
> must handle the payments to the staff, tax payments and such things)
> has its bank accounts frozen. Is it as easy as TESPOK paying the staff
> and taxes directly without going through AFRINIC's bank accounts?

“As easy as” may understate it somewhat, but yes, I believe that is the case. 
(I will note that this is similar to the process which would have to occur for 
delivering support from the Joint RIR Stability Fund - if such gets requested 
at some point.)

> I think it would be good to know how the donated funds will be handled
> and how they will make life for AFRINIC staff better.

From the online FAQ at the donation website  
> -

>> Why is AFRINIC not doing this themselves?
>> AFRINIC has no access to funding that it may receive directly. Although you 
>> may make deposits into the AFRINIC’s banking accounts (as some new members 
>> are doing) AFRINIC can not draw on those resources because of the current 
>> status quo. As a result Af-IX and partners are taking it upon ourselves to 
>> front-end the funding experience for AFRINIC.
>> 
>> How will the funds be disbursed?
>> TESPOK will reach out to AFRINIC to request for details of pending payments, 
>> to which AFRINIC will submit funding request to us for all expenses which 
>> they deem critical.The request shall be made via e-mail and shall include 
>> the following details:
>> 
>> i. Email with the subject: Request for Payment to the TESPOK finance email
>> ii. Attachment of invoice clearly stating Payee name with clear contact 
>> information: physical address; postal address; payee telephone number
>> iii. Bank account details: Bank Name, Branch, Account Number, IBAN Number, 
>> Intermediary Bank if required, SWIFT code, Sort Code, Routing Number 
>> (depending on jurisdiction receiving requirements)
>> iv. Copies of all transactions incoming and outgoing will be accessible via 
>> a report on the fundraising site.
>> How will you ensure appropriate auditing is in place?
>> 
>> i. Maintenance of proper books of accounts with records of all transactions 
>> incoming and outgoing
>> ii. Internal audit checks and controls will be established
>> 

Best wishes,
/John

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[Sander Steffann]

Hi John,

> These are quite reasonable questions for anyone donating funds to any
> cause to ask. [...] I find it quite encouraging that so many
> organizations have already pondered these questions, and (in
> recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays in the development and
> growth of Internet in Africa) that have come together in a fund-
> raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC running – may they find many of
> similar mind and kindred spirit from around the globe. 

I applaud that people are thinking about the staff of AFRINIC not being
paid and raising funds to keep them going. The thing that confuses me
is how the logistics work with that. I wonder how the money that is
donated on TESPOK's bank account in Kenya will end up in the bank
accounts of AFRINIC staff in Mauritius while AFRINIC (who I presume
must handle the payments to the staff, tax payments and such things)
has its bank accounts frozen. Is it as easy as TESPOK paying the staff
and taxes directly without going through AFRINIC's bank accounts?

I think it would be good to know how the donated funds will be handled
and how they will make life for AFRINIC staff better.

To me this whole Game of Thr^W Lawsuits looks like a complex puzzle. I
have no direct stake in this as I am not an AFRINIC member, so I don't
expect anybody to feel like they have to answer me. But as a member of
the global RIR community I am very interested to see what I can learn
so I can put some pieces of that puzzle in the right place, so any
education to help me learn more about this would be highly appreciated


Cheers!
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[John Curran]

On 18 Aug 2021, at 12:43 PM, Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
... any prudent person who is going to donate money – is going to want to know 
certain basic things


  1.  How will the money they are diverting from other projects be spent
  2.  Are the individuals in control of the entity requesting money behaving in 
a way that is both within the bounds of the law and doing everything reasonable 
to ensure that the amount of money being requested is kept to a minimum – I.E – 
that they aren’t taking actions that would increase the burden on members any 
more than it already is
  3.  Is the board complying with their fiduciary duties in all of their 
actions.

Andrew -

These are quite reasonable questions for anyone donating funds to any cause to 
ask.  Of course, given the nature of the litigation faced by AFRINIC that has 
brought about the situation, some of the answers may be rather obvious; to wit -
a) One would expect the money will be used to defray costs of AFRINIC 
operations per its budget – but now likely with the addition of expenses 
resulting from the litigation.
b) One would expect that AFRINIC is doing everything reasonable and prudent to 
avoid increasing the burden on the members (defending against a $1.8 billion 
USD claim certainly qualifies in that regard)
c) One would expect that the board is indeed complying with their fiduciary 
duties in all of their actions (being litigated generally results in increased 
legal expertise on-hand, and ample attention to such duties.)

I find it quite encouraging that so many organizations have already pondered 
these questions, and (in recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays in the 
development and growth of Internet in Africa) that have come together in a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC running – may they find many of 
similar mind and kindred spirit from around the globe.

Best wishes,
/John

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President and CEO
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[Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss]

John,

While I agree wholeheartedly that in the course of litigation answers may be 
hard to come by – the clause I refer to in the companies act has little to do 
with the litigation when it stands in isolation – it raises a question about if 
the company cannot pay its debtors – in any circumstance – irrespective of 
litigation.

Now, further to this – yes a company may be able to say little during 
litigation – but – when an entity goes to the community and its members – 
asking for money to fund itself through a hard time, any prudent person who is 
going to donate money – is going to want to know certain basic things


  1.  How will the money they are diverting from other projects be spent
  2.  Are the individuals in control of the entity requesting money behaving in 
a way that is both within the bounds of the law and doing everything reasonable 
to ensure that the amount of money being requested is kept to a minimum – I.E – 
that they aren’t taking actions that would increase the burden on members any 
more than it already is
  3.  Is the board complying with their fiduciary duties in all of their 
actions.

If the answers are not clear – an entity may well decide not to donate a single 
cent – because to do so could well be akin to enabling bad behavior.  So while 
these questions may seem irrelevant normally – in the context of being asked 
for money over and above the fees members pay every year – they are very 
pertinent in my view.  And if the company should indeed be under the control of 
an administrator – that is something we need to know before we start donating 
money.

Andrew


From: John Curran 
Date: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 at 16:09
To: Andrew Alston 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING
On 18 Aug 2021, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:

John,

I query where queries may actually get answered – and since previous emails to 
the members list have gone unanswered – here is as good a place as any. ...
We are a community – this is a bottom up organization – and the community has 
the right to ask questions – however hard those questions may be to answer and 
however much answering those questions may be distasteful to the people who 
have to answer.

As a concerned community member, you could have simply asked – “Do we have to 
recognize a contingent liability given the litigation, and are there any 
Section 162 implications to be considered?”   You chose a rather different 
approach of posting legal speculation in the name of "seeking a legal position” 
and hence I replied.  If you want something more definitive, then seeking 
actual legal counsel would likely help clarify far more than speculation here.

The community has every right to know that the organization is being properly 
operated, but it also true that the community vests the routine oversight in 
the elected governance body – as they are both accountable for such oversight 
and have access to legal counsel to inform their course of action.  This 
becomes even more important when in litigation, as organizations need to take 
great care with their communication – even to their members –  to balance the 
need for openness with the obligation to sustain a prudent legal defense.   You 
may not get answers to all your questions in the midst of litigation, but 
that’s an indication of a governing body being true to its job rather than any 
indication to the contrary.

As someone who has had to manage such a difficult balance when defending ARIN 
in litigation, I know firsthand it can be quite challenging to maintain open 
communication with community at the same time. I’d encourage you to continue to 
raise questions that you might have as concerned community member (if indeed 
out of bona fide concern for AFRINIC), but you also should recognize that 
circumspect communications is quite normal when it comes to litigation matters, 
so you might not get the answers you seek – particularly to legal speculation.

Best wishes,
/John

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[Omo Oaiya]

Hi Owen,

Since you have resurfaced, may I use the opportunity to point at questions
directed at you while you were away?

As the question helps to validate the position you have espoused
so liberally on the different lists, you have a responsibility to respond
to it promptly.

Some, like me, even think it is a matter of your honesty/integrity or lack
thereof.  Please see
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-August/004709.html


Look forward to hearing from you
Omo

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 at 16:08, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> The key differences here being that prior to litigation and after the
> conclusion of litigation, ARIN has a history and track record of open and
> honest communication with its membership and community and trustworthy
> leadership. AFRINIC’s track record is not so strong here, with a board that
> continues to hide virtually all of its activities behind an NDA and fought
> hard against efforts to get it to publish its meeting minutes. Even now
> that they are published, they are absurdly terse and fail to disclose the
> voting record of board members.
>
> Further, ARIN has a track record of staff obeying the governing documents
> as they are written, whereas AFRINIC has more of a tendency to make up
> policies which aren’t actually contained in its governing documents and
> which were not approved by its community when AFRINIC staff sought such
> policies through the policy experience report, then attempting to use those
> fictitious policies to take adverse action selectively against members they
> don’t like.
>
> From my vantage point, AFRINIC’s actions pose a far greater risk to the
> RIR system than any litigation against AFRINIC.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 06:10, John Curran  wrote:
>
>  On 18 Aug 2021, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Alston <
> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> I query where queries may actually get answered – and since previous
> emails to the members list have gone unanswered – here is as good a place
> as any. ...
>
> We are a community – this is a bottom up organization – and the community
> has the right to ask questions – however hard those questions may be to
> answer and however much answering those questions may be distasteful to the
> people who have to answer.
>
>
> As a concerned community member, you could have simply asked – “Do we have
> to recognize a contingent liability given the litigation, and are there any
> Section 162 implications to be considered?”   You chose a rather different
> approach of posting legal speculation in the name of "seeking a legal
> position” and hence I replied.  If you want something more definitive, then
> seeking actual legal counsel would likely help clarify far more than
> speculation here.
>
> The community has every right to know that the organization is being
> properly operated, but it also true that the community vests the routine
> oversight in the elected governance body – as they are both accountable for
> such oversight and have access to legal counsel to inform their course of
> action.  This becomes even more important when in litigation, as
> organizations need to take great care with their communication – even to
> their members –  to balance the need for openness with the obligation to
> sustain a prudent legal defense.   You may not get answers to all your
> questions in the midst of litigation, but that’s an indication of a
> governing body being true to its job rather than any indication to the
> contrary.
>
> As someone who has had to manage such a difficult balance when defending
> ARIN in litigation, I know firsthand it can be quite challenging to
> maintain open communication with community at the same time. I’d encourage
> you to continue to raise questions that you might have as concerned
> community member (if indeed out of bona fide concern for AFRINIC), but you
> also should recognize that circumspect communications is quite normal when
> it comes to litigation matters, so you might not get the answers you seek –
> particularly to legal speculation.
>
> Best wishes,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
>
>
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[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message 
,
 
Andrew Alston  wrote:

>The contingent liability stuff - I actually see sense in this - however - that
>neglects the second part of my question - regarding section 162 of the
>companies act - that has nothing to do with contingent liability.  Section 162
>of the companies act says - "Unable to pay debtors" - with no qualifications -

Long long ago, I had my very own LLC company here in the U.S.

When I had it, it racked up certain liabilities... electricity, rent, etc.

There were certain times during this period when I unavoidably found it
necessary to visit the restroom, or what much of the rest of the world
refers to as the water closet.

During these brief periods of time, I found it essentially impossible to
pay the company's outstanding bills.  (This was prior to modern cell phones
and pay-by-phone facilities.)

Andrew is correct that the companies law of Mauritius admits of no exceptions
which would legally cover such transient circumstances, and thus, it pleases
me no end that I created my LLC in the United States, rather than Mauritius,
where economic justice is apparently swift, even for those temporarily
dispossessed of the ability to pay their bills by the irresistable requirements
of nature.


Regards,
rfg

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[Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss]

The key differences here being that prior to litigation and after the 
conclusion of litigation, ARIN has a history and track record of open and 
honest communication with its membership and community and trustworthy 
leadership. AFRINIC’s track record is not so strong here, with a board that 
continues to hide virtually all of its activities behind an NDA and fought hard 
against efforts to get it to publish its meeting minutes. Even now that they 
are published, they are absurdly terse and fail to disclose the voting record 
of board members. 

Further, ARIN has a track record of staff obeying the governing documents as 
they are written, whereas AFRINIC has more of a tendency to make up policies 
which aren’t actually contained in its governing documents and which were not 
approved by its community when AFRINIC staff sought such policies through the 
policy experience report, then attempting to use those fictitious policies to 
take adverse action selectively against members they don’t like. 

From my vantage point, AFRINIC’s actions pose a far greater risk to the RIR 
system than any litigation against AFRINIC. 

Owen


> On Aug 18, 2021, at 06:10, John Curran  wrote:
> 
>  On 18 Aug 2021, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Alston  
> wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>>  
>> I query where queries may actually get answered – and since previous emails 
>> to the members list have gone unanswered – here is as good a place as any. 
>> ...
> 
>> We are a community – this is a bottom up organization – and the community 
>> has the right to ask questions – however hard those questions may be to 
>> answer and however much answering those questions may be distasteful to the 
>> people who have to answer.
> 
> As a concerned community member, you could have simply asked – “Do we have to 
> recognize a contingent liability given the litigation, and are there any 
> Section 162 implications to be considered?”   You chose a rather different 
> approach of posting legal speculation in the name of "seeking a legal 
> position” and hence I replied.  If you want something more definitive, then 
> seeking actual legal counsel would likely help clarify far more than 
> speculation here. 
> 
> The community has every right to know that the organization is being properly 
> operated, but it also true that the community vests the routine oversight in 
> the elected governance body – as they are both accountable for such oversight 
> and have access to legal counsel to inform their course of action.  This 
> becomes even more important when in litigation, as organizations need to take 
> great care with their communication – even to their members –  to balance the 
> need for openness with the obligation to sustain a prudent legal defense.   
> You may not get answers to all your questions in the midst of litigation, but 
> that’s an indication of a governing body being true to its job rather than 
> any indication to the contrary. 
> 
> As someone who has had to manage such a difficult balance when defending ARIN 
> in litigation, I know firsthand it can be quite challenging to maintain open 
> communication with community at the same time. I’d encourage you to continue 
> to raise questions that you might have as concerned community member (if 
> indeed out of bona fide concern for AFRINIC), but you also should recognize 
> that circumspect communications is quite normal when it comes to litigation 
> matters, so you might not get the answers you seek – particularly to legal 
> speculation. 
> 
> Best wishes,
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> 
> 
> 
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[WACREN CEO]

++1 to John's comment.

While everyone in the community has the right to ask questions, no one can
expect to receive a direct and swift response, especially on issues that
are before court.

It would be good that we slow down while AFRINIC management and board are
dealing with the current issue. And to be fair, AFRINIC CEO has been
providing periodic updates. So what?

Merci.

Boubakar

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:10 PM John Curran  wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2021, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Alston 
> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> I query where queries may actually get answered – and since previous
> emails to the members list have gone unanswered – here is as good a place
> as any. ...
>
> We are a community – this is a bottom up organization – and the community
> has the right to ask questions – however hard those questions may be to
> answer and however much answering those questions may be distasteful to the
> people who have to answer.
>
>
> As a concerned community member, you could have simply asked – “Do we have
> to recognize a contingent liability given the litigation, and are there any
> Section 162 implications to be considered?”   You chose a rather different
> approach of posting legal speculation in the name of "seeking a legal
> position” and hence I replied.  If you want something more definitive, then
> seeking actual legal counsel would likely help clarify far more than
> speculation here.
>
> The community has every right to know that the organization is being
> properly operated, but it also true that the community vests the routine
> oversight in the elected governance body – as they are both accountable for
> such oversight and have access to legal counsel to inform their course of
> action.  This becomes even more important when in litigation, as
> organizations need to take great care with their communication – even to
> their members –  to balance the need for openness with the obligation to
> sustain a prudent legal defense.   You may not get answers to all your
> questions in the midst of litigation, but that’s an indication of a
> governing body being true to its job rather than any indication to the
> contrary.
>
> As someone who has had to manage such a difficult balance when defending
> ARIN in litigation, I know firsthand it can be quite challenging to
> maintain open communication with community at the same time. I’d encourage
> you to continue to raise questions that you might have as concerned
> community member (if indeed out of bona fide concern for AFRINIC), but you
> also should recognize that circumspect communications is quite normal when
> it comes to litigation matters, so you might not get the answers you seek –
> particularly to legal speculation.
>
> Best wishes,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
>
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[John Curran]

On 18 Aug 2021, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:

John,

I query where queries may actually get answered – and since previous emails to 
the members list have gone unanswered – here is as good a place as any. ...
We are a community – this is a bottom up organization – and the community has 
the right to ask questions – however hard those questions may be to answer and 
however much answering those questions may be distasteful to the people who 
have to answer.

As a concerned community member, you could have simply asked – “Do we have to 
recognize a contingent liability given the litigation, and are there any 
Section 162 implications to be considered?”   You chose a rather different 
approach of posting legal speculation in the name of "seeking a legal position” 
and hence I replied.  If you want something more definitive, then seeking 
actual legal counsel would likely help clarify far more than speculation here.

The community has every right to know that the organization is being properly 
operated, but it also true that the community vests the routine oversight in 
the elected governance body – as they are both accountable for such oversight 
and have access to legal counsel to inform their course of action.  This 
becomes even more important when in litigation, as organizations need to take 
great care with their communication – even to their members –  to balance the 
need for openness with the obligation to sustain a prudent legal defense.   You 
may not get answers to all your questions in the midst of litigation, but 
that’s an indication of a governing body being true to its job rather than any 
indication to the contrary.

As someone who has had to manage such a difficult balance when defending ARIN 
in litigation, I know firsthand it can be quite challenging to maintain open 
communication with community at the same time. I’d encourage you to continue to 
raise questions that you might have as concerned community member (if indeed 
out of bona fide concern for AFRINIC), but you also should recognize that 
circumspect communications is quite normal when it comes to litigation matters, 
so you might not get the answers you seek – particularly to legal speculation.

Best wishes,
/John

John Curran
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[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message 
,
 
Andrew Alston  wrote:

>AfriNIC has a contingent liability on their books of $50m dollars right now ?
>and a net worth far below that.
>
>Incurring any further debt - with no guarantee of success in the court case -
>may be classified as reckless trading.

Andrew,

Being, as you are, human, the odds are exceptionally high that you will
eventually and inevitably fall ill and die.

Knowing this, have you properly prepared by investing in a casket for
yourself?  If not, and if you have been spending your money on other
things, may we likewise say that you are involved in "reckless trading"?


Regards,
rfg


P.S.  Of course, I jest.  Your situation, and specifically your inevitable
mortality, is not at all comparable to the present situation of AFRINIC.
Like it or not, *you* will most certainly die at some point.  AFRINIC?
Maybe not so much.  It follows then that any lack of adequate planning
on your part must thus be judged to be a rather worse offense against your
heirs and assigns than any similar lack on the part of AFRINIC.

AFRINIC may yet possibly not die.  You however most certainly will, in the
fullness of time, as will I, and also all those who read these words.

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[Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss]

John,

I query where queries may actually get answered – and since previous emails to 
the members list have gone unanswered – here is as good a place as any.

The contingent liability stuff – I actually see sense in this – however – that 
neglects the second part of my question – regarding section 162 of the 
companies act – that has nothing to do with contingent liability.  Section 162 
of the companies act says – “Unable to pay debtors” – with no qualifications – 
hence – I want to understand


  1.  If AfriNIC is not bound to section 162 at this point – why not
  2.  If AfriNIC is indeed bound to section 162 – since they are currently 
unable to service debt at this point directly – why is there no resolution as 
required by the companies act in this regard.

Section 162 of the act makes no differentiation that I can see about WHY they 
are unable to service debt – it says – Unable to pay as they fall due – no 
further qualifications.  Hence – if this isn’t applicable – I think this 
community has every right to know why it isn’t – and if it is – then this 
community has every right to know that by what that act says – the company 
should be in administration or in the alternatives the directors – who we 
elected – could become personally liable.

We are a community – this is a bottom up organization – and the community has 
the right to ask questions – however hard those questions may be to answer and 
however much answering those questions may be distasteful to the people who 
have to answer.

Andrew


From: John Curran 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Andrew Alston 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

On 18 Aug 2021, at 3:17 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:

Not being a lawyer – I would actually like to know the legal position on this – 
because here is the way I see this.

Good Day Andrew –

I am somewhat confused, as you acknowledge you not a lawyer – but seek a legal 
position – and then decide the best way to obtain such an opinion is to post 
legal speculation to the Community Discuss mailing list?   As you are well 
aware, legal opinions are obtained by retaining counsel, so I am at loss in 
your actual intentions in this regard.

AfriNIC has a contingent liability on their books of $50m dollars right now – 
and a net worth far below that.

As it turns out, you might not need a lawyer after all, since your line of 
reasoning is predicated upon the incorrect statement above.

I also am not a lawyer, but can see from the list of legal cases published on 
the AFRINIC website that the order in question is a "Provisional Attachment 
Order" – something that is preliminary in nature and even now remains still to 
be validated by subsequent actions.   Furthermore, validation of such an order 
would appear to protect availability of funds so that they could be available 
to pay for an award if such were to ever be issued, i.e. it does not equate 
with the making of an actual award as you seem to imply in your message.

Best wishes,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
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[John Curran]

On 18 Aug 2021, at 3:17 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:

Not being a lawyer – I would actually like to know the legal position on this – 
because here is the way I see this.

Good Day Andrew –

I am somewhat confused, as you acknowledge you not a lawyer – but seek a legal 
position – and then decide the best way to obtain such an opinion is to post 
legal speculation to the Community Discuss mailing list?   As you are well 
aware, legal opinions are obtained by retaining counsel, so I am at loss in 
your actual intentions in this regard.

AfriNIC has a contingent liability on their books of $50m dollars right now – 
and a net worth far below that.

As it turns out, you might not need a lawyer after all, since your line of 
reasoning is predicated upon the incorrect statement above.

I also am not a lawyer, but can see from the list of legal cases published on 
the AFRINIC website that the order in question is a "Provisional Attachment 
Order" – something that is preliminary in nature and even now remains still to 
be validated by subsequent actions.   Furthermore, validation of such an order 
would appear to protect availability of funds so that they could be available 
to pay for an award if such were to ever be issued, i.e. it does not equate 
with the making of an actual award as you seem to imply in your message.

Best wishes,
/John

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[Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss]

Not being a lawyer – I would actually like to know the legal position on this – 
because here is the way I see this.

AfriNIC has a contingent liability on their books of $50m dollars right now – 
and a net worth far below that.
Incurring any further debt – with no guarantee of success in the court case – 
may be classified as reckless trading.

Furthermore – I would like to know if the directors of AfriNIC have complied 
with their statutory requirements under section 162 of the act – which mandates 
that they call a board meeting to discuss appointing a liquidator or 
administrator.  This part of the law – I don’t need a lawyer to interpret – 
because its pretty crystal clear:

162. Duty of directors on insolvency
(1) A director of a company who believes that the company is unable to pay its 
debts as they fall due shall forthwith call a meeting of the Board to consider 
whether the Board should appoint a liquidator or an administrator.
(2) Where a meeting is called under this section, the Board shall consider 
whether to appoint a liquidator or an administrator, or to carry on the 
business of the company.
(3) Where –
(a) a director fails to comply with subsection (1);
(b) at the time of that failure the company was unable to pay its debts as they 
fell due; and
(c) the company is subsequently placed in liquidation, 118 the Court may, on 
the application of the liquidator or of a creditor of the company, make an 
order that the director shall be liable for the whole or any part of any loss 
suffered by creditors of the company as a result of the company continuing to 
trade.


Since AfriNIC – has on calls with its members – openly admitted that they may 
be unable to service debt and that certain creditors have agreed to payment 
deferrals etc – and since  there is absolutely no guarantee that sponsorship is 
going to cover debt – this is very clear – and it will be very interesting to 
see the minutes or the board meeting where this happens.

I am also very curious to see the resolutions regarding budget, since if the 
company is spending outside of budget – that requires a board resolution – 
which has to be published under the transparency rules.  There is no way on 
planet earth that the budget would cover the kinds of legal fees they have been 
racking up – so – how much was the budget expanded – and what risks are being 
taken if spending is being incurred and they lose and still have to pay up with 
the lawyers etc?  And how much money is going to be left by the time they 
finish paying the lawyers even if they win this – would a settlement not be 
cheaper at the end of the day?

Andrew

From: Anthony Ubah 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:14 AM
To: Dewole Ajao 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

Great idea 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 2:05 PM Dewole Ajao 
mailto:dew...@tinitop.com>> wrote:
This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more 
like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC 
is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to repay the loans 
in the future.

For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in advance via 
this fund (if it can be made official).

Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to blackhole 
traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to force the 
registry to its knees by starving it of funds?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> 
wrote:
Dear Internet Community,

You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, 
is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have 
AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to 
abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget that there 
are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and providing support 
for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to continue working and 
engaging.

The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial 
obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who are 
resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise that the 
legal system has to complete its important process, “our colleagues still need 
to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in memory.  As an operational 
entity, that is core to a functioning Internet, AFRINIC still has financial 
obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.

AF-IX, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services 
running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on 
this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number 
Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabl

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Sami Salih]

Salam Mohamed,

This thread is exactly about paying (but not not). Other threads are available 
or you can initiate one about enforcing law!?

Please keep this thread as is and avoid it if you are with (not) group.

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From: Mohamed Ibrahim 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 4:57 AM
To: Sami Salih; Dewole Ajao; Noah
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

It is not about paying or not? I think it is also about how to avoid similar 
problems in the future. We live in a rules-based world and I want to know how 
did this happen? I respect courts and rule of law... there are higher courts 
and even international courts if local/national courts are not doing the right 
thing.

Regards,
Mohamed

From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 4:08 AM
To: Dewole Ajao ; Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

A good citizen is a blessing to society.

Let us show the world that we deserve to host and operate our own Registry.


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From: Dewole Ajao 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:02:27 PM
To: Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more 
like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC 
is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to repay the loans 
in the future.

For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in advance via 
this fund (if it can be made official).

Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to blackhole 
traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to force the 
registry to its knees by starving it of funds?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> 
wrote:
Dear Internet Community,

You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, 
is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have 
AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to 
abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget that there 
are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and providing support 
for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to continue working and 
engaging.

The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial 
obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who are 
resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise that the 
legal system has to complete its important process, “our colleagues still need 
to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in memory.  As an operational 
entity, that is core to a functioning Internet, AFRINIC still has financial 
obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.

AF-IX, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services 
running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on 
this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number 
Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the development 
and growth of the Internet In the African region.

We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that AFRINIC 
can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable digital growth 
in Africa.

You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find all 
different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the team by 
ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.

DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;   
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;

Technology Service Providers of Kenya – TESPOK
Tanzania ISP Association – TISPA
Angola ISP Association – AAPSI
Internet Exchange Point of Nigeria – IXPN

For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our 
partners through the following email addresses below:

i...@af-ix.net<mailto:i...@af-ix.net>  | 
tes...@tespok.co.ke<mailto:tes...@tespok.co.ke> | 
secretar...@tispa.or.tz<mailto:secretar...@tispa.or.tz> | 
secretari...@aapsi.og.ao<mailto:secretari...@aapsi.og.ao> | 
i...@ixp.net.ng<mailto:i...@ixp.net.ng>


For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For Details;


TESPOK = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

AF-IX = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign

TISPA = 

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Mohamed Ibrahim]

It is not about paying or not? I think it is also about how to avoid similar 
problems in the future. We live in a rules-based world and I want to know how 
did this happen? I respect courts and rule of law... there are higher courts 
and even international courts if local/national courts are not doing the right 
thing.

Regards,
Mohamed

From: Sami Salih 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 4:08 AM
To: Dewole Ajao ; Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

A good citizen is a blessing to society.

Let us show the world that we deserve to host and operate our own Registry.


Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Dewole Ajao 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:02:27 PM
To: Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more 
like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC 
is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to repay the loans 
in the future.

For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in advance via 
this fund (if it can be made official).

Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to blackhole 
traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to force the 
registry to its knees by starving it of funds?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> 
wrote:
Dear Internet Community,

You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, 
is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have 
AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to 
abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget that there 
are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and providing support 
for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to continue working and 
engaging.

The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial 
obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who are 
resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise that the 
legal system has to complete its important process, “our colleagues still need 
to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in memory.  As an operational 
entity, that is core to a functioning Internet, AFRINIC still has financial 
obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.

AF-IX, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services 
running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on 
this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number 
Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the development 
and growth of the Internet In the African region.

We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that AFRINIC 
can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable digital growth 
in Africa.

You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find all 
different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the team by 
ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.

DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;   
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001<https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001>

The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;

Technology Service Providers of Kenya – TESPOK
Tanzania ISP Association – TISPA
Angola ISP Association – AAPSI
Internet Exchange Point of Nigeria – IXPN

For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our 
partners through the following email addresses below:

i...@af-ix.net<mailto:i...@af-ix.net>  | 
tes...@tespok.co.ke<mailto:tes...@tespok.co.ke> | 
secretar...@tispa.or.tz<mailto:secretar...@tispa.or.tz> | 
secretari...@aapsi.og.ao<mailto:secretari...@aapsi.og.ao> | 
i...@ixp.net.ng<mailto:i...@ixp.net.ng>


For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For Details;


TESPOK = 
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001<https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001>

AF-IX = 
https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign<https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign>

TISPA = 
https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic<https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic>

ISPA-Angola = 
https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic<https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic>

IXPN = 
https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising<https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising>



We look forward to your kind support.

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Anthony Ubah]

Great idea 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 2:05 PM Dewole Ajao  wrote:

> This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this
> more like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That
> way, AFRINIC is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to
> repay the loans in the future.
>
> For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in
> advance via this fund (if it can be made official).
>
> Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to
> blackhole traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to
> force the registry to its knees by starving it of funds?
>
> Regards,
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah  wrote:
>
>> Dear Internet Community,
>>
>> You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for
>> Africa, is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought
>> to have AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is
>> easy to abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget
>> that there are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and
>> providing support for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to
>> continue working and engaging.
>>
>> The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial
>> obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who
>> are resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise
>> that the legal system has to complete its important process, “our
>> colleagues still need to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in
>> memory.  As an operational entity, that is core to a functioning Internet,
>> AFRINIC still has financial obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.
>>
>> *AF-IX*, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on
>> a *fund-raising exercise* to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and
>> services running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are
>> dependent on this registry, whose service of allocating and registering
>> Internet Number Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication
>> for the development and growth of the Internet In the African region.
>>
>>
>> *We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that
>> AFRINIC can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable
>> digital growth in Africa.*
>>
>> *You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will
>> find all different options.  The funds collected will be used to support
>> the team by ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.*
>> *DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;*   
>> *https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
>> *
>>
>>
>> *The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;  *
>> Technology Service Providers of *Kenya* – *TESPOK*
>> *Tanzania* ISP Association – *TISPA*
>> *Angola* ISP Association – *AAPSI*
>> Internet Exchange Point of *Nigeria* – *IXPN*
>>
>> For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our
>> partners through the following email addresses below:
>>
>> *i...@af-ix.net   | tes...@tespok.co.ke
>>  | secretar...@tispa.or.tz
>>  | secretari...@aapsi.og.ao
>>  | i...@ixp.net.ng *
>>
>>
>> *For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For
>> Details;*
>>
>>
>> *TESPOK* = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
>>
>> *AF-IX* = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign
>>
>> *TISPA* = https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic
>>
>> *ISPA-Angola* = https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic
>>
>> *IXPN* = https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising
>>
>>
>>
>> We look forward to your kind support.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> *Noah *
>> *TISPA*
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Jean-Robert Hountomey]

Accra, 17th August 2021,
 
Dear Colleagues,
 
We write to support the initiative.
 
Respectfully.
 
Jean-Robert Hountomey
AfricaCERT.
 
-Original Message-
From: "Noah" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 1:44pm
To: "General Discussions of AFRINIC" 
Subject: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING





Dear Internet Community,

You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, 
is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have 
AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to 
abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget that there 
are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and providing support 
for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to continue working and 
engaging.

The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial 
obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who are 
resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise that the 
legal system has to complete its important process, “our colleagues still need 
to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in memory.  As an operational 
entity, that is core to a functioning Internet, AFRINIC still has financial 
obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.

AF-IX, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services 
running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on 
this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number 
Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the development 
and growth of the Internet In the African region.

We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that AFRINIC 
can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable digital growth 
in Africa.

You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find all 
different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the team by 
ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.

DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;   [ 
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001 ]( 
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001 )

The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;  

Technology Service Providers of Kenya – TESPOK
Tanzania ISP Association – TISPA
Angola ISP Association – AAPSI
Internet Exchange Point of Nigeria – IXPN

For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our 
partners through the following email addresses below:

[ i...@af-ix.net ]( mailto:i...@af-ix.net )  | [ 
tes...@tespok.co.ke ]( mailto:tes...@tespok.co.ke ) | [ secretar...@tispa.or.tz 
]( mailto:secretar...@tispa.or.tz ) | [ secretari...@aapsi.og.ao ]( 
mailto:secretari...@aapsi.og.ao ) | [ i...@ixp.net.ng ]( mailto:i...@ixp.net.ng 
)

For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For Details;

 
TESPOK = [ https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001 ]( 
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001 )
AF-IX = [ https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign ]( 
https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign )

TISPA = [ https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic ]( 
https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic )
ISPA-Angola = [ https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic ]( 
https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic )
 
IXPN = [ https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising ]( 
https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising )
 
 
We look forward to your kind support.
 
Cheers,




Noah 
TISPA___
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Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[WACREN CEO]

Dear All,

I think that's indeed a great idea. And my organisation is ready to take
the risk of paying in advance 10 years of annual fees. And I am ready to
contribute personally in addition to that.

However, I would suggest another recipient of our contributions, namely one
of our Af* organisations. For example, I am thinking of AfNOG that has
nurtured many of our Af*; it could be any of the other registered Af*
organisations.

Merci.

Boubakar

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:09 PM Sami Salih  wrote:

> A good citizen is a blessing to society.
>
> Let us show the world that we deserve to host and operate our own Registry.
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> --
> *From:* Dewole Ajao 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:02:27 PM
> *To:* Noah 
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP
> AFRINIC RUNNING
>
> This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this
> more like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That
> way, AFRINIC is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to
> repay the loans in the future.
>
> For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in
> advance via this fund (if it can be made official).
>
> Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to
> blackhole traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to
> force the registry to its knees by starving it of funds?
>
> Regards,
> Dewole.
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah  wrote:
>
> Dear Internet Community,
>
> You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for
> Africa, is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought
> to have AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is
> easy to abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget
> that there are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and
> providing support for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to
> continue working and engaging.
>
> The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial
> obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who
> are resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise
> that the legal system has to complete its important process, “our
> colleagues still need to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in
> memory.  As an operational entity, that is core to a functioning Internet,
> AFRINIC still has financial obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.
>
> *AF-IX*, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a *
> fund-raising exercise* to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services
> running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent
> on this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet
> Number Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the
> development and growth of the Internet In the African region.
>
>
> *We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that
> AFRINIC can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable
> digital growth in Africa. *
>
> *You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find
> all different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the
> team by ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk. *
> *DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;*   
> *https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
> <https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001>*
>
>
> *The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;   *
> Technology Service Providers of *Kenya* – *TESPOK*
> *Tanzania* ISP Association – *TISPA*
> *Angola* ISP Association – *AAPSI*
> Internet Exchange Point of *Nigeria* – *IXPN*
>
> For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our
> partners through the following email addresses below:
>
> *i...@af-ix.net   | tes...@tespok.co.ke
>  | secretar...@tispa.or.tz
>  | secretari...@aapsi.og.ao
>  | i...@ixp.net.ng *
>
>
> *For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For
> Details; *
>
>
> *TESPOK* = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
>
> *AF-IX* = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign
>
> *TISPA* = https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic
>
> *ISPA-Angola* = https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic
>
> *IXPN* = https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising
>
>
>
> We look forward to your kind support.
>
>
> Cheers,
> *Noah *
> *TISPA*
>
&g

Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Raymond Mamattah]

This is a great idea and initiative. AFRINIC must survive in these trying
times.

Raymond Mamattah
[image: linkedin]
 [image:
facebook]  [image: skype]
 [image: twitter]

Accra, Ghana


On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 5:45 PM Noah  wrote:

> Dear Internet Community,
>
> You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for
> Africa, is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought
> to have AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is
> easy to abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget
> that there are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and
> providing support for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to
> continue working and engaging.
>
> The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial
> obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who
> are resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise
> that the legal system has to complete its important process, “our
> colleagues still need to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in
> memory.  As an operational entity, that is core to a functioning Internet,
> AFRINIC still has financial obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.
>
> *AF-IX*, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
> *fund-raising
> exercise* to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services running for
> the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on this
> registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number
> Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the
> development and growth of the Internet In the African region.
>
>
> *We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that
> AFRINIC can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable
> digital growth in Africa.*
>
> *You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find
> all different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the
> team by ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.*
> *DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;*   
> *https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
> *
>
>
> *The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;  *
> Technology Service Providers of *Kenya* – *TESPOK*
> *Tanzania* ISP Association – *TISPA*
> *Angola* ISP Association – *AAPSI*
> Internet Exchange Point of *Nigeria* – *IXPN*
>
> For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our
> partners through the following email addresses below:
>
> *i...@af-ix.net   | tes...@tespok.co.ke
>  | secretar...@tispa.or.tz
>  | secretari...@aapsi.og.ao
>  | i...@ixp.net.ng *
>
>
> *For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For
> Details;*
>
>
> *TESPOK* = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
>
> *AF-IX* = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign
>
> *TISPA* = https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic
>
> *ISPA-Angola* = https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic
>
> *IXPN* = https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising
>
>
>
> We look forward to your kind support.
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

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From: Dewole Ajao 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:02:27 PM
To: Noah 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC 
RUNNING

This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more 
like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC 
is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to repay the loans 
in the future.

For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in advance via 
this fund (if it can be made official).

Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to blackhole 
traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to force the 
registry to its knees by starving it of funds?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> 
wrote:
Dear Internet Community,

You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, 
is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have 
AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to 
abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget that there 
are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and providing support 
for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to continue working and 
engaging.

The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial 
obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who are 
resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise that the 
legal system has to complete its important process, “our colleagues still need 
to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in memory.  As an operational 
entity, that is core to a functioning Internet, AFRINIC still has financial 
obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.

AF-IX, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
fund-raising exercise to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services 
running for the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on 
this registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number 
Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the development 
and growth of the Internet In the African region.

We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that AFRINIC 
can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable digital growth 
in Africa.

You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find all 
different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the team by 
ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.

DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;   
https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;

Technology Service Providers of Kenya – TESPOK
Tanzania ISP Association – TISPA
Angola ISP Association – AAPSI
Internet Exchange Point of Nigeria – IXPN

For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our 
partners through the following email addresses below:

i...@af-ix.net<mailto:i...@af-ix.net>  | 
tes...@tespok.co.ke<mailto:tes...@tespok.co.ke> | 
secretar...@tispa.or.tz<mailto:secretar...@tispa.or.tz> | 
secretari...@aapsi.og.ao<mailto:secretari...@aapsi.og.ao> | 
i...@ixp.net.ng<mailto:i...@ixp.net.ng>


For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For Details;


TESPOK = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001

AF-IX = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign

TISPA = https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic

ISPA-Angola = https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic

IXPN = https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising



We look forward to your kind support.


Cheers,
Noah
TISPA

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Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[Dewole Ajao]

This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more
like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way,
AFRINIC is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to
repay the loans in the future.

For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023 membership fees in advance
via this fund (if it can be made official).

Meanwhile, someone here is asking if an initiative can be launched to
blackhole traffic from all prefixes globally owned by the people trying to
force the registry to its knees by starving it of funds?

Regards,
Dewole.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 6:47 PM Noah  wrote:

> Dear Internet Community,
>
> You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for
> Africa, is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought
> to have AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is
> easy to abstract the Internet into simply moving bits and bytes, and forget
> that there are real people that work hard at building, maintaining and
> providing support for the systems that you, and the Internet, need to
> continue working and engaging.
>
> The litigation has made it difficult for AFRINIC to meet its financial
> obligations. Part of these expenses are salaries for the AFRINIC team, who
> are resolutely working through this difficult period.  Whilst we recognise
> that the legal system has to complete its important process, “our
> colleagues still need to survive” during one of the worst pandemics in
> memory.  As an operational entity, that is core to a functioning Internet,
> AFRINIC still has financial obligations that it must meet to its suppliers.
>
> *AF-IX*, in collaboration with our partners, are therefore embarking on a 
> *fund-raising
> exercise* to help keep AFRINIC’s core functions and services running for
> the next three months. As a broader community, we are dependent on this
> registry, whose service of allocating and registering Internet Number
> Resources (IPv4, IPv6 and ASN) has enabled communication for the
> development and growth of the Internet In the African region.
>
>
> *We invite you to be part of the community of supporters to ensure that
> AFRINIC can continue to play the vital role it has, for the sustainable
> digital growth in Africa.*
>
> *You can choose to donate any amount via the URL below where you will find
> all different options.  The funds collected will be used to support the
> team by ensuring the core functions of AFRINIC continue without risk.*
> *DONATE TO KEEP AFRINIC UP BY CLICKING THIS LINK;*   
> *https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
> *
>
>
> *The AF-IX is ably supported in this initiative by the below partners;  *
> Technology Service Providers of *Kenya* – *TESPOK*
> *Tanzania* ISP Association – *TISPA*
> *Angola* ISP Association – *AAPSI*
> Internet Exchange Point of *Nigeria* – *IXPN*
>
> For additional information, please feel free to contact us, or any of our
> partners through the following email addresses below:
>
> *i...@af-ix.net   | tes...@tespok.co.ke
>  | secretar...@tispa.or.tz
>  | secretari...@aapsi.og.ao
>  | i...@ixp.net.ng *
>
>
> *For Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Please visit the Sites Below For
> Details;*
>
>
> *TESPOK* = https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001
>
> *AF-IX* = https://www.af-ix.net/news/2021/08/afrinic-fundraising-campaign
>
> *TISPA* = https://tispa.or.tz/fundraising/afrinic
>
> *ISPA-Angola* = https://www.aapsi.og.ao/noticia/fundraising-for-afrinic
>
> *IXPN* = https://ixp.net.ng/news/afrinic-fundraising
>
>
>
> We look forward to your kind support.
>
>
> Cheers,
> *Noah *
> *TISPA*
>
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