Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
I do typically ... if I am working on several research projects concurrently, I can have 6 programs and 20 to 30 windows open for days. I can handle this on a Linux or XP machine even without resorting to their optional optional multiple/ virtual desktop features but I just don't attempt it with the OS X machines available to me because of Apple's more serially oriented interface. db Paula Minor wrote: I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. Hmmm, I also have several programs running at once with multiple windows but I love using the dock. When I was on Windows, I put a dock-like software on that so I could have the same function there. I guess you must have a LOT more running than I do if it's hard to find them on the dock. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" Have a wonderful day! * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
Thanks for all of your tips ... I know them ... I've been using Macs, Win and Linux more recently since the early 80's. It just gripes me that Mac, which is capable of much better and once was famous for intuitive usability, created such a clumsy flawed piece of eye candy as Aqua. Apple takes their physical designs to perfection level... why not the user interface? Wonder what Illuminous will be like? db Steve Rigby wrote: On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Paula Minor wrote: I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. F9 shows all open windows at once. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds...and packet shaping
Not just limiting bandwith, but packet shaping. Here comes the future of the internet thanks to companies like AT&T and Comcast and senators like Ted 'tubes' Stevens and Hatch. Gah. Mike On 10/24/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Also I believe there is no limit placed on a T1 line where limits are > regularly placed and enforced on home DSL/Cable lines (ask the AP who > just caught Comcast limiting bandwidth on customers) > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
I thought the real problem with the mighty mouse for me was the lack of tactile feedback. I need the click and motion of the switch. On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a > >decent two button mouse at the Apple store. The supplied mouse hasn't > >even been out of the box. > > You should look in the box. You may have a Mighty Mouse and not even know > it. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
I believe that T1 lines come standard with a static IP number. As you state below their up speed is as much as their down speed. (Most home DSL's and Cable setups have a high down speed, but a much slower up speed. Depends on how they are configured. Most DS1s (don't say T1) are channelized in one way or another. We break the 1.544 bandwidth down into either 24 56kb (T0) channels or 23 (64 kb D0) channels and a signalling channel (D channel) in the case of a PRI. A point to point DS1, sometimes misreferred to as a "wide open T1" is indeed a symmetrical 1.544 path. But it doesn't magically access the internet, it has to be hooked up to a provider POP (Point Of Presence) to do that. Otherwise it's just an alternative means of accessing the PSTN (Public Switched Telephone Network). A point to point DS1 can also connect two subscriber locations, etc. It's just a data pipe. Also I believe there is no limit placed on a T1 line where limits are regularly placed and enforced on home DSL/Cable lines (ask the AP who just caught Comcast limiting bandwidth on customers). Point to point DS1 usage isn't metered. PSTN access is metered just like a regular phone line unless there's a specific contract agreement in place. I also think but am not sure how to state it, but the width of the T1 line is much greater than any home DSL/Cable hook up. (What I am trying to say is a T1 line can handle a lot more volume than a home DSL/Cable connection). No, actually I can download faster with 3 mbps ADSL than I could over a DS1, if the DSLAM is in good shape and the other network equipment is nominal. I only get half the upload speed of a DS1, and probably a reliability tradeoff, but as long as my provider doesn't cap my transfer volume and data rate I'm doing better with ADSL. Far better in terms of cost. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
Some other differences I think are associated with a T1 line. I believe that T1 lines come standard with a static IP number. As you state below their up speed is as much as their down speed. (Most home DSL's and Cable setups have a high down speed, but a much slower up speed) Also I believe there is no limit placed on a T1 line where limits are regularly placed and enforced on home DSL/Cable lines (ask the AP who just caught Comcast limiting bandwidth on customers) I also think but am not sure how to state it, but the width of the T1 line is much greater than any home DSL/Cable hook up. (What I am trying to say is a T1 line can handle a lot more volume than a home DSL/Cable connection) Stewart At 10:54 PM 10/24/2007, you wrote: Just a brief clarification. "DSL" is a term that's used like "Kleenex." A T1, or what is more accurately referred to as a DS1, IS a Digital Subscriber Line. At 1.544 megabits of bandwidth. If it's configured with ISDN signalling it's a PRI, Primary Rate Interface. But it's still generically a "DSL" "line". The "DSL" that has become common parlance is a digital signalling protocol that rides a T0 line (your basic home phone line or in some cases a naked loop). This can be asynchronus or synchronus depending on the service offering. ADSL or SDSL. To muddy the waters, ISDN BRI (Basic Rate Interface) is also a "DSL" configuration. In this case, as with DS1 configurations, there is no analog functionality. But as has been mentioned, there is a distance limitation. I can actually push ISDN BRI past the 18K feet limit, but only with a powered repeater or an Adtran package. A repeater needs a power source mid-span, and an Adtran package needs a powered card at the CO and the destination. Neither of these is cost effective. And ISDN BRI is only 128 kbps. A DS1 or a PRI configured DS1 has powered customer equipment (CSU/DSU) at the terminating end. Reach is improved. If I have fiber available I essentially have no line losses but I still need (sometimes expensive) equipment, with power, at the terminating end. I can't make consumer "DSL" work reliably past 18K feet from the CO. Well, I can out to maybe 20K with a clean loop and a lot of luck. But it won't work well enough to sell. "DSL", as it is commonly known, is a transitional product. FiOS is where it's at. The basic strategy is to deliver very high bandwidth over a next generation network at prices that make cable look even more expensive than it already is. But talk is cheap, whiskey costs money. This is an immense capital investment but it is paying off. Nothing here reflects anything but my personal opinion and all of it is public domain. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
Concur. Most T1 lines come with service level agreements on the order of 99+% uptime guaranteed. Imagine getting that from cable. ;^) That is why DSL is so much better than cable. Just a brief clarification. "DSL" is a term that's used like "Kleenex." A T1, or what is more accurately referred to as a DS1, IS a Digital Subscriber Line. At 1.544 megabits of bandwidth. If it's configured with ISDN signalling it's a PRI, Primary Rate Interface. But it's still generically a "DSL" "line". The "DSL" that has become common parlance is a digital signalling protocol that rides a T0 line (your basic home phone line or in some cases a naked loop). This can be asynchronus or synchronus depending on the service offering. ADSL or SDSL. To muddy the waters, ISDN BRI (Basic Rate Interface) is also a "DSL" configuration. In this case, as with DS1 configurations, there is no analog functionality. But as has been mentioned, there is a distance limitation. I can actually push ISDN BRI past the 18K feet limit, but only with a powered repeater or an Adtran package. A repeater needs a power source mid-span, and an Adtran package needs a powered card at the CO and the destination. Neither of these is cost effective. And ISDN BRI is only 128 kbps. A DS1 or a PRI configured DS1 has powered customer equipment (CSU/DSU) at the terminating end. Reach is improved. If I have fiber available I essentially have no line losses but I still need (sometimes expensive) equipment, with power, at the terminating end. I can't make consumer "DSL" work reliably past 18K feet from the CO. Well, I can out to maybe 20K with a clean loop and a lot of luck. But it won't work well enough to sell. "DSL", as it is commonly known, is a transitional product. FiOS is where it's at. The basic strategy is to deliver very high bandwidth over a next generation network at prices that make cable look even more expensive than it already is. But talk is cheap, whiskey costs money. This is an immense capital investment but it is paying off. Nothing here reflects anything but my personal opinion and all of it is public domain. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Paula Minor wrote: I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. F9 shows all open windows at once. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
God help us, people that get confused by two buttons carry guns. Stay away from wherever Tom lives. Mike On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely > >that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or someone who gets > >frustrated at the site of two buttons is not driving a car anywhere in my > >city. God help us if they procreate. > > If you make an error while driving that car you may meet some of them > because a lot of them were cops. > > These are regular people, not nerds. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
Sometimes. DSL in AZ is worse then the software I use on my sony mp3 player. They have zero support here for anything above 6mbit and Qwest customer service/support is nonexistent. I had cable for almost five years, it might have been down twice, several times they increased my speed with no price increase. They have now gone from 5 to 18 mbit and next year will be at 25, all at little cost increase to customers. Qwest charges 26 minimum up to 45 a month for 1.5mbit service. No email, no usenet. I've called many times to see when they are going to upgrade the lines to some respectable speed, Qwest reps have told me 'never'. They have no plans to do anything in AZ. I had faster speeds 7 years ago then i do now. I'm sure in some places dsl is better, but then again that's not DSL it's fiber, which is not DSL. But the blanket statement dsl is better then cable is not so true. Mike On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Concur. Most T1 lines come with service level agreements on the > >order of 99+% uptime guaranteed. Imagine getting that from cable. ;^) > > That is why DSL is so much better than cable. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
My days go back to punch cards and an IBM 360. I too remember using dumb terminals to UNIX. I remember early Sun UNIX workstations, Xerox 6085 workstations that used windowing. What the heck has all that to do with Mac OS? I'm sure not leaving Mac OS X to go back to that crap, not matter how nostalgic it may be. Linux folks have an agenda - We all work together, contribute to and improve the OS and share it for free with everyone. The OLTPC group wants everything free, or nearly so. That old stuff has damn little to do with a commercial operating system. Feel free to be smug about supporting their agendas. I will continue to ignore all of that and focus on the O/S that makes me the most productive when it counts - my own time (I am paid to use WXP in my job). Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The Linux Actions guys tell their entire saga of disaffection from Mac users. (They were mac developers and had taken over the administration of a mac community web site). Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anecdotal Comparison of Broadband Service Worldwide
I have had similar experiences. Red Roof Inns and their ilk provide broadband free of charge, but upscale places typically charge $9.95 per day, more or less. I stayed at the Hyatt in downtown Indianapolis in August, and I just got back from a Marriott in Newton, MA and both charged. I have an even bigger complaint regarding bargain vs. upscale hotels (somewhat ot): small places (like the motel I stayed at in Ann Arbor in June) tend to give you "normal" cable channels, but the "nice" places restrict you to some subset of what you'd get at home (even with basic cable). Does anybody know why this is? As far as other countries are concerned, I stayed in a number of hotels in Japan this summer. Some were nicer than others, but the only one that charged for broadband access was a resort near Mt. Fuji. I can recall staying at a hotel in Nagoya which is used by many locals as a catering hall for weddings (they take weddings very seriously in Japan); I'd say it was at least the equivalent of the Marriott in Newton, and no charge for broadband. As for quality of service, I'm no judge of that. I very seldom notice a slow connection unless it's egregiously slow. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
Tom can't help himself, most zealots can't. We can just try to be understanding. Mike On 10/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uh, the poster said "free"??? > > On 10/24/07, Dr. Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? > > > >OS X. > > > >What is a "virus?" > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
>What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last 2 >years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs >didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button >Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with just certain Mac computers? Laptops do not come with mice. www.apple.com/mightymouse Did I really have to give you that link? Duh. So stop making fun of people who have trouble with complicated mice. >Apple four button mouse. You have to program it. "You have to program it." In binary machine code no less. Typical Macintosh. That's right. Would I lie to you? Sheesh! * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
>Uh, the poster said "free"??? >>OS X. >>>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? The anti-virus part is free. You just have to pay for the container. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
>Concur. Most T1 lines come with service level agreements on the >order of 99+% uptime guaranteed. Imagine getting that from cable. ;^) That is why DSL is so much better than cable. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
>Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely >that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or someone who gets >frustrated at the site of two buttons is not driving a car anywhere in my >city. God help us if they procreate. If you make an error while driving that car you may meet some of them because a lot of them were cops. These are regular people, not nerds. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
Uh, the poster said "free"??? On 10/24/07, Dr. Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? > >OS X. > >What is a "virus?" * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
*http://tinyurl.com/23e9kp Apple four button mouse. You have to program it. Mike * On 10/24/07, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last > 2 > years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs > didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button > Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with just certain Mac computers? > > Jeff M > > > On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > > >> The one-button mouse is only one hurdle a new Mac user has to > >> confront > >> at work, when they're expected to hit the ground running. > > > > Perhaps the biggest hurdle is people who don't know what they are > > talking > > about? For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that > > have > > a scroll ball on the top. One could hardly ask for more. > > > >> (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of panic a new > >> employee gets when they first confront a one-button mouse.) > > > > I have been training people to use computers for over 20 years. I can > > assure you that people do not panic at the sight of a 1-button mouse. > > Someone who is new to computers and new to using a mouse does not have > > the necessary coordination to operate a multi-button mouse. I have > > seen > > people's rising frustration at trying to operate a 2-button mouse. > > Multiple buttons makes learning much more difficult. > > > > Macs now come with multi-button mice, but don't require them. The > > buttons > > can easily be activated as desired and customized for different user > > preferences. This flexibility is a good thing. > > > > Windows lets you flip the buttons, but not every application > > respects the > > user's preference. Not so useful. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or someone who gets frustrated at the site of two buttons is not driving a car anywhere in my city. God help us if they procreate. Mike On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Someone who is new to computers and new to using a mouse does not have > the necessary coordination to operate a multi-button mouse. I have seen > people's rising frustration at trying to operate a 2-button mouse. > Multiple buttons makes learning much more difficult. > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
Define "several years" please. When I bought Macs at my old employer, they came with the one button mouse or none at all - those were G4's, G5's, and Powerbook G4's. On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that have a scroll ball on the top. One could hardly ask for more. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
>When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a >decent two button mouse at the Apple store. The supplied mouse hasn't >even been out of the box. You should look in the box. You may have a Mighty Mouse and not even know it. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last 2 years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with just certain Mac computers? Jeff M On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: The one-button mouse is only one hurdle a new Mac user has to confront at work, when they're expected to hit the ground running. Perhaps the biggest hurdle is people who don't know what they are talking about? For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that have a scroll ball on the top. One could hardly ask for more. (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of panic a new employee gets when they first confront a one-button mouse.) I have been training people to use computers for over 20 years. I can assure you that people do not panic at the sight of a 1-button mouse. Someone who is new to computers and new to using a mouse does not have the necessary coordination to operate a multi-button mouse. I have seen people's rising frustration at trying to operate a 2-button mouse. Multiple buttons makes learning much more difficult. Macs now come with multi-button mice, but don't require them. The buttons can easily be activated as desired and customized for different user preferences. This flexibility is a good thing. Windows lets you flip the buttons, but not every application respects the user's preference. Not so useful. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? > > OS X. > > What is a "virus?" > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
At 8:48 AM -0700 10/24/07, mike wrote: A T1 is a designation of speed, among other things.DSL is a generic term for technology to move digital signal over analog lines. More and more connections labeled DSL really aren't. I think the fastest DSL can go and still be technically DSL is 7mbit. Someone on the list might have a better ideal. And then there is the distance limitation: 18,000 feet for DSL (distance from DSLAM to service drop). A T1 can go much farther. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
Concur. Most T1 lines come with service level agreements on the order of 99+% uptime guaranteed. Imagine getting that from cable. ;^) On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Mason Miller wrote: It may not be as fast, but it will be more steady and reliable in most cases. You pay a lot more, but your bandwidth to the other end of the connection is guaranteed, and if it goes down you will see the telco there in hours, not days. It is a different type of service. Mason Jay Montero wrote: Oh, I see. Still I cannot understand why DSL is so much faster than T1. My company is looking at getting a T1 line (we cannot get DSL or cable) and it is going to cost many times what we used to pay for DSL in our old location yet it will be less than half as fast. on Tue, 23 Oct 2007, mike wrote: By definition a T1 is only 1.5. If it was more, it wouldn't be a T1. Mike On 10/23/07, Jay Montero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am curious why in this day & age T1 lines max out at 1.5Mbps while DSL and cable speeds are many times faster. * *** * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *** * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * *** ** ** * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived ** ** * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? OS X. What is a "virus?" * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. Hmmm, I also have several programs running at once with multiple windows but I love using the dock. When I was on Windows, I put a dock-like software on that so I could have the same function there. I guess you must have a LOT more running than I do if it's hard to find them on the dock. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" Have a wonderful day! * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs
>The one-button mouse is only one hurdle a new Mac user has to confront >at work, when they're expected to hit the ground running. Perhaps the biggest hurdle is people who don't know what they are talking about? For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that have a scroll ball on the top. One could hardly ask for more. > (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of panic a new > employee gets when they first confront a one-button mouse.) I have been training people to use computers for over 20 years. I can assure you that people do not panic at the sight of a 1-button mouse. Someone who is new to computers and new to using a mouse does not have the necessary coordination to operate a multi-button mouse. I have seen people's rising frustration at trying to operate a 2-button mouse. Multiple buttons makes learning much more difficult. Macs now come with multi-button mice, but don't require them. The buttons can easily be activated as desired and customized for different user preferences. This flexibility is a good thing. Windows lets you flip the buttons, but not every application respects the user's preference. Not so useful. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
It's also 1.5 up and down...and if you get it with Qwest you might just wait weeks...we have. Mike On 10/24/07, Mason Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It may not be as fast, but it will be more steady and reliable in most > cases. You pay a lot more, but your bandwidth to the other end of the > connection is guaranteed, and if it goes down you will see the telco > there in hours, not days. It is a different type of service. > > Mason > > Jay Montero wrote: > > Oh, I see. Still I cannot understand why DSL is so much faster than > > T1. My company is looking at getting a T1 line (we cannot get DSL or > > cable) and it is going to cost many times what we used to pay for DSL > > in our old location yet it will be less than half as fast. > > > > on Tue, 23 Oct 2007, mike wrote: > >> By definition a T1 is only 1.5. If it was more, it wouldn't be a T1. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> On 10/23/07, Jay Montero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> I am curious why in this day & age T1 lines max out at 1.5Mbps while > >>> DSL > >>> and cable speeds are many times faster. > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L > > YourNewAddress > > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > > * RSS at > > www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
It may not be as fast, but it will be more steady and reliable in most cases. You pay a lot more, but your bandwidth to the other end of the connection is guaranteed, and if it goes down you will see the telco there in hours, not days. It is a different type of service. Mason Jay Montero wrote: Oh, I see. Still I cannot understand why DSL is so much faster than T1. My company is looking at getting a T1 line (we cannot get DSL or cable) and it is going to cost many times what we used to pay for DSL in our old location yet it will be less than half as fast. on Tue, 23 Oct 2007, mike wrote: By definition a T1 is only 1.5. If it was more, it wouldn't be a T1. Mike On 10/23/07, Jay Montero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am curious why in this day & age T1 lines max out at 1.5Mbps while DSL and cable speeds are many times faster. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
AVG - Original Message - From: "Site Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software Hi Folks, What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? Thanx Bart * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
AVG Free from gets my vote. Mike Site Guy wrote: Hi Folks, What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? Thanx Bart * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Anti Virus Software
Hi Folks, What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? Thanx Bart * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a decent two button mouse at the Apple store. The supplied mouse hasn't even been out of the box. I haven't had a new Mac in over a decade all though i do have a friends cast off G3 that still works well enough to surf with and anything is better than the 6340 we have. I'd almost rather pull out the MacPlus and fire that up. On 10/24/07, Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no such thing as a Mac that comes with a 1 button mouse > anymore. (even though it looks like a 1 button mouse) And you can use > any mouse you can buy. I prefer a trackball and have almost always used > a Logitech with several buttons. > > > (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of panic a new > > employee gets when they first confront a one-button mouse.) > > > > --Constance Warner > > > > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
You can buy Macs with all sorts of bells and whistles nowadays, including some pretty exotic mice, but employers usually just buy the basics. Any employee who wants anything fancier must provide their own--if it's permitted--or do without. The one-button mouse is only one hurdle a new Mac user has to confront at work, when they're expected to hit the ground running. Although modern operating systems do a lot of the same stuff at the basic level(when you're just coping with word processing, spreadsheets, e-mail, and the like) there are still differences that you run into pretty early in the game. My current workplace used to be all-Mac, so we always made sure that new employees knew that they could ask us any question at any time. Only one new-hire didn't adjust quickly; unfortunately, he was the boss, so we're now a Windows workplace. --Constance Warner -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:44 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs There is no such thing as a Mac that comes with a 1 button mouse anymore. (even though it looks like a 1 button mouse) And you can use any mouse you can buy. I prefer a trackball and have almost always used a Logitech with several buttons. > (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of panic a new > employee gets when they first confront a one-button mouse.) > > --Constance Warner > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
A T1 is a designation of speed, among other things.DSL is a generic term for technology to move digital signal over analog lines. More and more connections labeled DSL really aren't. I think the fastest DSL can go and still be technically DSL is 7mbit. Someone on the list might have a better ideal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Signal_1T1 from wiki. Mike On 10/24/07, Jay Montero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, I see. Still I cannot understand why DSL is so much faster than > T1. My company is looking at getting a T1 line (we cannot get DSL or > cable) and it is going to cost many times what we used to pay for DSL in > our old location yet it will be less than half as fast. > > on Tue, 23 Oct 2007, mike wrote: > > By definition a T1 is only 1.5. If it was more, it wouldn't be a T1. > > > > Mike > > > > On 10/23/07, Jay Montero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I am curious why in this day & age T1 lines max out at 1.5Mbps while > DSL > >> and cable speeds are many times faster. > >> > > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
There is no such thing as a Mac that comes with a 1 button mouse anymore. (even though it looks like a 1 button mouse) And you can use any mouse you can buy. I prefer a trackball and have almost always used a Logitech with several buttons. (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of panic a new employee gets when they first confront a one-button mouse.) --Constance Warner * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac OS UG's
10.5.x updates will be free. You will have to pay again at 10.6 (at least a year or two). Mason gerald wrote: Mac 10.5.0 arrives next week. someone is selling it for $106. when they fix it 6 months from now with 10.5.1, what will be the charge,another $106, or 170?? or historically when mac went from 10.4.0 to.1.2.3.4, ect, what did they charge? I sort of recall MS sending out the UG's which they called section 8's or some such, and did not charge. from what I read on the mac/apple BB's, the anals are all confident that 10.5 will not run right, but they got to have it. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
Oh, I see. Still I cannot understand why DSL is so much faster than T1. My company is looking at getting a T1 line (we cannot get DSL or cable) and it is going to cost many times what we used to pay for DSL in our old location yet it will be less than half as fast. on Tue, 23 Oct 2007, mike wrote: By definition a T1 is only 1.5. If it was more, it wouldn't be a T1. Mike On 10/23/07, Jay Montero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am curious why in this day & age T1 lines max out at 1.5Mbps while DSL and cable speeds are many times faster. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
Hey, we should ALL be so lucky as to own Microsoft or Apple stock! (Or any stock, for that matter.) Microsoft and Apple have advertising budgets that dwarf the GNP of even a few first-world countries. They don't need to enlist people on lists like this to do their work for them. In fact, big companies like that don't like amateurs getting involved in their PR efforts; they like to control every detail of the message. Actually, I believe most of us do have a vested interest in one OS or another, even beyond considerations of security, compatibility (with software and the nature of the work), and ease of use. Figuring out computer stuff, and taking computer courses, can be fun, but there's a limited amount of time and money you can spend on learning basic operating systems--which you have to know, in today's society, to get any job above the level of office cleaner. Employers don't provide training; most employees expect you were born knowing Windows, and often the Mac people don't provide training because Apple OS is "so much easier." (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of panic a new employee gets when they first confront a one-button mouse.) So that's just one more reason why people can get very partisan about the OS they use and have already mastered--even if it's a case of "the devil you know." --Constance Warner From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Schinnell Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:54 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs Microsoft vs Apple. In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is tainted by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from anyone commenting on how good or bad apple or Microsoft are or are not, Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I think that this would be appropriate. I do not own either Microsoft or Apple stock. Rich * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
Who's paying you to ask this and how much? Whatever it is, I'll double it. > -Original Message- > Microsoft vs Apple. > > In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is > tainted > by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from > anyone commenting on how good or bad apple or Microsoft are > or are not, > > Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft > stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. > > I think that this would be appropriate. > > I do not own either Microsoft or Apple stock. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
Except when the Taskbar loses the application, which it does occasionally. Clicking for the next row of applications on the task bar is stupid, too. OS X 10.5 has a nice looking stacking method in the Dock, which may help in finding things more quickly. I haven't experienced the problem, personally. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. I know the various techniques & shortcuts that OSX gives you to deal with these issues but they are clumsy and laborious compared to Windows Taskbar where all can be seen at a glance and accessed with one click or keystroke. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac OS UG's
Apple charges for the major releases, such as 10.4, 10.5. The minor updates are a free download. Apple's major OS X major releases have been pretty good since 10.3; most of the problems have been relatively minor. Thank you, -Original Message- Mac 10.5.0 arrives next week. someone is selling it for $106. when they fix it 6 months from now with 10.5.1, what will be the charge,another $106, or 170?? or historically when mac went from 10.4.0 to.1.2.3.4, ect, what did they charge? I sort of recall MS sending out the UG's which they called section 8's or some such, and did not charge. from what I read on the mac/apple BB's, the anals are all confident that 10.5 will not run right, but they got to have it. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
I would hope some of my 401k funds have both M$ ($30.90) and Apple ($186.16) stock. So what? My job requires M$, but I have OS X on my computers. Do you think anyone would be naïve enough to try to sell what ever they own stock in to this list? This list? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Microsoft vs Apple. In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is tainted by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from anyone commenting on how good or bad apple or Microsoft are or are not, Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I think that this would be appropriate. I do not own either Microsoft or Apple stock. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
