[CGUYS] Humourless WFBs
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[CGUYS] DC first to get free mobile TV
Washington will be the first U.S. city to get free digital TV broadcasts for mobile devices like cell phones, laptop computers and in-car entertainment systems, broadcasters were set to announce Monday. http://tinyurl.com/cpzoht * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First OS X Botnet Said to be Activating
Yes, it requires stupidity to be affected by this in OS X. I don't see any shortage of stupidity, though, and it looks like 20,000 idiots downloaded infected software. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- This is what is known in the UNIX world as an honor virus. You have to put in place software you know to be illegitimate and give it administrative access to install, or do something otherwise known to be self destructive. If I were dumb enough to do this I could discover that shock of shock my enterprise heavily firewalled role restricted servers are vulnerable. Got root / admin + malware = got security issue. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Behind the Office ribbon
This seems to be my day for posting miscellany. There's been considerable criticism here regarding the Office ribbon: it makes no sense, users hate it, the organization is random, etc. This is an interesting article about the woman behind it and how it came to be. As some WFBs have kept repeating, and MFBs and other WFBs keep denying, (a) it's not random, (b) it's based on mountains of data about how real users actually use Office, and (c) it's quite popular, not universally loathed as some would have you believe. http://tinyurl.com/csawdu * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DC first to get free mobile TV
Oh, that's just wonderful. Now, in addition to texting, sexting, twittering, web surfing, and general yakking, we can look forward to drivers and pedestrians using their hand-held devices for watching soap operas, reality TV, and ball games instead of paying any attention to their surroundings. Lo, the wonders of modern science! I am neither technophobic nor a Luddite, but I am underwhelmed by some of these advances in technology. Mike Chris Dunford wrote: Washington will be the first U.S. city to get free digital TV broadcasts for mobile devices like cell phones, laptop computers and in-car entertainment systems, broadcasters were set to announce Monday. http://tinyurl.com/cpzoht * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Scanning software for Umax
I actually found compatible software on cnet.com's Download site. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 dt...@indianahistory.org -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:20 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Scanning software for Umax Can you try the 10.3 software? Not sure there is a big enough difference between 10.3 and 10.4. Someone else might know if that point difference is a deal breaker. Sent from my iPod On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:08 AM, David Turk dt...@indianahistory.org wrote: I have an old UMAX Astra 2200 scanner, but can't locate the software. I looked on their site, they say they don't have software available for Mac OS 10.4. Any thoughts? tia. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Indiana Historical Society 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 dt...@indianahistory.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DC first to get free mobile TV
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net wrote: I am neither technophobic nor a Luddite, but I am underwhelmed by some of these advances in technology. Total agreement with you here. More crap available to distract and misdirect what we should be looking at. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DC first to get free mobile TV
What does this bode for an emergency TV set that runs off of batteries (including a dismounted 12V car battery) that provides news and warnings during a power outage resulting from a storm or terrorist attack? When analog TV went off the air (It has hasn't it?) my current emergency TV set became useless, with no service or device available to replace it. Fred Holmes At 06:39 AM 4/20/2009, Chris Dunford wrote: Washington will be the first U.S. city to get free digital TV broadcasts for mobile devices like cell phones, laptop computers and in-car entertainment systems, broadcasters were set to announce Monday. http://tinyurl.com/cpzoht * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Upgrade MS Office from 2003 to Office 2007
On a Windows XP computer I need to upgrade from MS Office 2003 to Office 2007. Everything I read on the web says to uninstall 2003 first, then install 2007. That's relatively easy, BUT how do I preserve all my contact information, calendar and notes in Outlook ? Is it all in a file called filename.pst ? Or has the name changed for 2007? Thanks for any advice on this process... Phil M. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Behind the Office ribbon
With Windows itself, there is an option to select the classic Windows interface, instead of the designed-for interface of the particular version (at least one can make WinXP look very much like Win2000). All MS needed to do was to provide a classic interface (everything in its legacy place) option for the Office 2007 applications, and all would be well. Too expensive, too much in a hurry, or too lazy to do that? But then everything I need to do seems to be a capability of Office 2000 anyway, so I just use it. Fred Holmes At 06:55 AM 4/20/2009, Chris Dunford wrote: This seems to be my day for posting miscellany. There's been considerable criticism here regarding the Office ribbon: it makes no sense, users hate it, the organization is random, etc. This is an interesting article about the woman behind it and how it came to be. As some WFBs have kept repeating, and MFBs and other WFBs keep denying, (a) it's not random, (b) it's based on mountains of data about how real users actually use Office, and (c) it's quite popular, not universally loathed as some would have you believe. http://tinyurl.com/csawdu * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vanishing Windows PC RESULTS
Here are a few things you can try: 1) Go to Startup Disk in System Preferences and see if the partition shows up there. It probably won't, since it is not showing up in Disk Utility or when you start up with the option key held down, but you might get lucky. 2) In Disk Utility, try selecting the hard disk and then the Mac partition, and note the capacity of each. Is there very little difference between their two sizes, or is the Mac partition size smaller than the hard disk capacity by the size of the Windows partition? If the Windows partition size is missing from the mac partition, that is a good sign that the Windows partition is still there but hidden somehow. While you have Disk Utility open, verify the disk, and if it shows problems, boot up from the software disk and repair the disk and see if this helps. 3) Reset the PRAM. The PRAM and NVRAM (which is reset at the same time) contains some disk boot information. Reseting them may therefore help. 4) I second the earlier suggestion that you start up your computer in target disk mode connected to another computer and find out what the other computer sees. 5) As already suggested, try a disk utility like Disk Warrior or Drive 10. Subject: Re: Vanishing Windows PC RESULTS Well, back to the old drawing board. My husband reports that Disc Utility does not show the partition with Windows. He says that it might show up in 10.5 [which he says he's going to install on the computer eventually--and maybe sooner, now that this problem has cropped up]. I'm now on 10.4. I don't have to have the Windows side in the next 5 minutes or anything, but I feel that I really need to know what happened to it. --Constance * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Behind the Office ribbon
The article, and Larson-Green, slam confusingly redundant features (multiple ways to accomplish the same action/function, find the button that does it). I think that's just wrong. The redundant ways give multiple options for finding a function when you are just hunting for it, and make it more likely found. The more options the better, including the options to use one type of interface or another. Let the just-upgraded user use the classic interface immediately, when he has a deadline to meet, and then explore the new interface when he has time to mess around. Fred Holmes At 06:55 AM 4/20/2009, Chris Dunford wrote: There's been considerable criticism here regarding the Office ribbon: it makes no sense, users hate it, the organization is random, etc. This is an interesting article about the woman behind it and how it came to be. As some WFBs have kept repeating, and MFBs and other WFBs keep denying, (a) it's not random, (b) it's based on mountains of data about how real users actually use Office, and (c) it's quite popular, not universally loathed as some would have you believe. http://tinyurl.com/csawdu * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Behind the Office ribbon
I think this refers to features that have redundant implementations that behave differently. Not the same as having multiple launch points for the same features. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: The article, and Larson-Green, slam confusingly redundant features (multiple ways to accomplish the same action/function, find the button that does it). I think that's just wrong. The redundant ways give multiple options for finding a function when you are just hunting for it, and make it more likely found. The more options the better, including the options to use one type of interface or another. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Spam
Starting maybe a week ago, spam for medicine, etc. has gone back up to as great as it has ever been. Anyone else noticed it? Whoever got shut down has found another way to get back up or has been justified in the courts, I think. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vanishing Windows PC RESULTS
You report lots of problems with partitions in Windows and Linux, then on the basis of a single reported incident on a Mac whose cause is so far unknown, you say I don't see how this reflects well on Apple…? It sounds to me like you are saying (to paraphrase Churchill) that OS X is the worst operating system, except for all the others. I second your view that dual booting should generally be avoided, though. If you must do it, the other OS should probably be on a hard drive separate from the main one. From:Paul Cannon pecan...@bellatlantic.net … I don't see how this reflects well on Apple if their OS or boot manager makes other partitions disappear whether they be Linux or MS. If the Mac software she is using or whatever she is using to control the boot process seems to be not working correctly, how does that reflect on the quality of the machine/sw? In the past, I had lots of issues triple-booting a particular machine using Windows to manage the boot process. I fixed the problem by using a product called System Commander that in my opinion managed the boot process/partitions better than MS. For Linux, grub has its own issues and solutions. To make it easier on myself, I tend not to dual boot anymore and keep machines with just a single OS on them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Behind the Office ribbon
The article, and Larson-Green, slam confusingly redundant features (multiple ways to accomplish the same action/function, find the button that does it). I think that's just wrong. The redundant ways give multiple options for finding a function when you are just hunting for it, and make it more likely found I think this is true to some extent, but when this issue was being discussed at PDC with respect to Windows 7, it was pointed out that for many users there can be seven different ways to get to Outlook. MS's research found that this was confusing many users. The position is not that there can never be more than one way to do something, just that it should be planned and considered, not accidental (and certainly not overdone the way it was with Outlook). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Behind the Office ribbon
All MS needed to do was to provide a classic interface (everything in its legacy place) option for the Office 2007 applications, and all would be well. Too expensive, too much in a hurry, or too lazy to do that? But then everything I need to do seems to be a capability of Office 2000 anyway, so I just use it. From the article: Then Larson-Green pushed Microsoft to get even more radical: to release Office 2007 without the hedge of a classic mode that would emulate the old look and feel for people who didn't like the changes. One can agree or disagree with this decision, but it would seem the laziness etc. had not to do with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade MS Office from 2003 to Office 2007
All of your data is contained within the .pst files that is your Outlook mailbox. Nothing happens to that, but you may need to point 2007 at it. You'll probably have to set up your connections to POP/IMAP and SMTP servers, so have tyhat info handy. I never liked the way that MS buried the pst file 12 deep in a system folder, so I moved mine to My Documents, where it can be backed up (and found) more easily. That said, it never hurts to back it up prior to the upgrade. On a Windows XP computer I need to upgrade from MS Office 2003 to Office 2007. Everything I read on the web says to uninstall 2003 first, then install 2007. That's relatively easy, BUT how do I preserve all my contact information, calendar and notes in Outlook ? Is it all in a file called filename.pst ? Or has the name changed for 2007? Thanks for any advice on this process... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade MS Office from 2003 to Office 2007
I just installed Office 2007 while keeping Office 2003. As I recall, the installation forced an uninstall of only the Outlook 2003 and migrated all of what was in Outlook 2003 into Outlook 2007. The rest of the Office 2003 components coexist with the Office 2007. I would think that you could run the same installation procedure and then uninstall Office 2003 afterward if you didn't want it. I would wait for a second opinion though, as I am not as dependent on Outlook as you are. Richard P. On a Windows XP computer I need to upgrade from MS Office 2003 to Office 2007. Everything I read on the web says to uninstall 2003 first, then install 2007. That's relatively easy, BUT how do I preserve all my contact information, calendar and notes in Outlook ? Is it all in a file called filename.pst ? Or has the name changed for 2007? Thanks for any advice on this process... Phil M. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade MS Office from 2003 to Office 2007
On a Windows XP computer I need to upgrade from MS Office 2003 to Office 2007. Everything I read on the web says to uninstall 2003 first, then install 2007. That's relatively easy, BUT how do I preserve all my contact information, calendar and notes in Outlook ? Is it all in a file called filename.pst ? Or has the name changed for 2007? Thanks for any advice on this process... Phil M. The name hasn't changed, but I certainly didn't uninstall 2003 when I upgraded to 2007, and I had no trouble at all. Others I know did the same, and none of them had trouble either. This is not to say that there is never any trouble, but the thing about the web is, the people who post are generally the ones who did. The ones who didn't, you never hear from. It can give a very distorted view of the universe. You'll have to make your own decision, but I just made sure I had a good backup and did it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade MS Office from 2003 to Office 2007
Correction: that is .pst file, not files. There can be more than one pst file, but only if you create another one deliberately. All of your data is contained within the .pst files that is your Outlook mailbox. Nothing happens to that, but you may need to point 2007 at it. You'll probably have to set up your connections to POP/IMAP and SMTP servers, so have tyhat info handy. I never liked the way that MS buried the pst file 12 deep in a system folder, so I moved mine to My Documents, where it can be backed up (and found) more easily. That said, it never hurts to back it up prior to the upgrade. On a Windows XP computer I need to upgrade from MS Office 2003 to Office 2007. Everything I read on the web says to uninstall 2003 first, then install 2007. That's relatively easy, BUT how do I preserve all my contact information, calendar and notes in Outlook ? Is it all in a file called filename.pst ? Or has the name changed for 2007? Thanks for any advice on this process... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DC first to get free mobile TV
You'll be interested in this Forum page: http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=30t=100897 It discusses this problem and offers up some LCD Digital TV's as an option. Richard P. What does this bode for an emergency TV set that runs off of batteries (including a dismounted 12V car battery) that provides news and warnings during a power outage resulting from a storm or terrorist attack? When analog TV went off the air (It has hasn't it?) my current emergency TV set became useless, with no service or device available to replace it. Washington will be the first U.S. city to get free digital TV broadcasts for mobile devices like cell phones, laptop computers and in-car entertainment systems, broadcasters were set to announce Monday. http://tinyurl.com/cpzoht * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vanishing Windows PC RESULTS
You seem to have omitted my previous sentence. I don't see the rationale on toasting mysterious partitions vanishing. This was in response to Tom's sentence And a toast to many other mysterious Windows vanishings in the future. :) It is quite rare for me to see a partition problem at work or home using MS or Linux. Sorry, if you took my post as a slam on Apple - I did not mean it to be. OS X to my understanding is Unix based with eye candy (bsd influenced or whatever term you prefer). What is not to like? :) As you rightly pointed out, partition issues do occur under Windows, Linux as well as Apple. As for your followup to the user for things to try, I hope that the partition reappears and that your suggestions provide a resolution. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:37:37AM -0400, David K Watson wrote: You report lots of problems with partitions in Windows and Linux, then on the basis of a single reported incident on a Mac whose cause is so far unknown, you say I don't see how this reflects well on Apple…? It sounds to me like you are saying (to paraphrase Churchill) that OS X is the worst operating system, except for all the others. I second your view that dual booting should generally be avoided, though. If you must do it, the other OS should probably be on a hard drive separate from the main one. From:Paul Cannon pecan...@bellatlantic.net … I don't see how this reflects well on Apple if their OS or boot manager makes other partitions disappear whether they be Linux or MS. If the Mac software she is using or whatever she is using to control the boot process seems to be not working correctly, how does that reflect on the quality of the machine/sw? In the past, I had lots of issues triple-booting a particular machine using Windows to manage the boot process. I fixed the problem by using a product called System Commander that in my opinion managed the boot process/partitions better than MS. For Linux, grub has its own issues and solutions. To make it easier on myself, I tend not to dual boot anymore and keep machines with just a single OS on them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade MS Office from 2003 to Office 2007
There are also rules files, mailing lists that are NOT in the PST file. But, they will upgrade correctly if you are using the same computer. If not, you need to transfer them to the new computer. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Wright Sent: 04/20/2009 10:54 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade MS Office from 2003 to Office 2007 Correction: that is .pst file, not files. There can be more than one pst file, but only if you create another one deliberately. All of your data is contained within the .pst files that is your Outlook mailbox. Nothing happens to that, but you may need to point 2007 at it. You'll probably have to set up your connections to POP/IMAP and SMTP servers, so have tyhat info handy. I never liked the way that MS buried the pst file 12 deep in a system folder, so I moved mine to My Documents, where it can be backed up (and found) more easily. That said, it never hurts to back it up prior to the upgrade. On a Windows XP computer I need to upgrade from MS Office 2003 to Office 2007. Everything I read on the web says to uninstall 2003 first, then install 2007. That's relatively easy, BUT how do I preserve all my contact information, calendar and notes in Outlook ? Is it all in a file called filename.pst ? Or has the name changed for 2007? Thanks for any advice on this process... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Itunes help!
I downloaded Itunes 8 and now I have nothing. I know the music somewhere, how do I get it into the current version. Thanks Bill L'Hommedieu * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] cable for monitor
what is a DisplayPort Cable with Latches? where is the least expensive place to buy cables? is there such a thing as a wireless monitor? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Itunes help!
Did you reboot? Are you talking Windows or Mac? and what version? In Windows XP, the music path is: My DocumentsMy MusiciTunesiTunes Music Richard P. I downloaded Itunes 8 and now I have nothing. I know the music somewhere, how do I get it into the current version. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cable for monitor
a) check Wikipedia, but it's unlikely your equipment uses it. The latches help hold it in place. b) maybe Walmart; are you sure you _want_ the _cheapest_ cables? c) no On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: what is a DisplayPort Cable with Latches? where is the least expensive place to buy cables? is there such a thing as a wireless monitor? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cable for monitor
Best and by far the cheapest place is online. Cables are where retail stores make their profits that they can't get from advertised or competitive products like computers, printers, networking hardware, cameras etc.. But you need to study your cable selection carefully ... there are various kinds of monitor cables and not necessarily buy the cheapest option. Never heard of a wireless monitor... Here's two co's I have bought from: http://www.monoprice.com/products/department.asp?c_id=102 http://www.cables4computer.com/ db Tony B wrote: a) check Wikipedia, but it's unlikely your equipment uses it. The latches help hold it in place. b) maybe Walmart; are you sure you _want_ the _cheapest_ cables? c) no On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: what is a DisplayPort Cable with Latches? where is the least expensive place to buy cables? is there such a thing as a wireless monitor? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Vanishing Windows PC RESULTS
It is perfectly OK to criticize Apple, I do so myself sometimes (and don't get Tom started on the Finder). I was wondering about your reasoning. Given the missing sentence (which I didn't understand at the time and omitted because I thought it irrelevant), you do make more sense. Thanks for connecting the dots for me. Regarding Apple's operating system, OS X is not just based on Unix, it **is** a Unix. Apple has gone to the trouble of getting Open Group certification that OS X 10.5 is an official Unix, as is OS X 10.5 server. Since you like Unix, you might get a kick out of a user signature that I sometimes see on Slashdot which says, OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than fixing Windows. From:Paul Cannon pecan...@bellatlantic.net You seem to have omitted my previous sentence. I don't see the rationale on toasting mysterious partitions vanishing. This was in response to Tom's sentence And a toast to many other mysterious Windows vanishings in the future. :) It is quite rare for me to see a partition problem at work or home using MS or Linux. Sorry, if you took my post as a slam on Apple - I did not mean it to be. OS X to my understanding is Unix based with eye candy (bsd influenced or whatever term you prefer). What is not to like? :) As you rightly pointed out, partition issues do occur under Windows, Linux as well as Apple. As for your followup to the user for things to try, I hope that the partition reappears and that your suggestions provide a resolution. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *