Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
Hello, Congratulations on becoming a Retrevo member. Our free service offers more than 100,000 manuals. Now that you've created your own personal account on Retrevo, why not let us store the manuals for all your gadgets. Click here to build your personal bookshelf of manuals. You will never have to go searching for a manual again. I've been doing something like this for years locally. Have a sort of local web site with pages for kitchen, laundry, outdoors, etc. Each page has pictures of things that link to their online manuals or local PDFs. When we get a new gizmo I just add it. The whole thing is in a public folder, so it's available from anywhere on the network. Works great. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
Reverend, I understand the Social Security Number's role in employment and taxes (the real reason banks started requiring it years ago). However, I cannot understand why people kowtow to consumer products companies to initiate service contract and to buy things such as a cell phone. That is going well beyond the purpose. Would you give M$ or Apple your Social Security Number to buy a computer and a service contract? I see this as propelling identity theft, because I don't trust the companies to keep the information secure, or not using it themselves in some quasi-legal way to mine customer information. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It is required to open a bank account as they have to check with a clearing house to see if you are safe. To get a job they must check your immigration status (I-9) and possibly if you are foreign sounding run your SS number to see if you are eligible for employment. There are SS #s that state not eligible for employment. My wife is an Alien (Canadian) and has a SS card. She is eligible for employment. She must show her alien card when she is hired and fills out an I-9 form. The SS# has taken on a very big significance in the life of a person who lives and works in the USA. By the way in Canada it is called the SIN number. (Social Insurance Number) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
At 6:14 AM -0400 6/23/09, Chris Dunford wrote: Hello, Congratulations on becoming a Retrevo member. Our free service offers more than 100,000 manuals. Now that you've created your own personal account on Retrevo, why not let us store the manuals for all your gadgets. Click here to build your personal bookshelf of manuals. You will never have to go searching for a manual again. I've been doing something like this for years locally. Have a sort of local web site with pages for kitchen, laundry, outdoors, etc. Each page has pictures of things that link to their online manuals or local PDFs. When we get a new gizmo I just add it. The whole thing is in a public folder, so it's available from anywhere on the network. Works great. The wife keeps the manuals in the pockets of a divider in a notebook she keeps on the cookbook shelf in the kitchen. I've gotten in the habit of writing the purchase date on the front cover of said manual. Very simple, very easy. Also works great. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
The wife keeps the manuals in the pockets of a divider in a notebook she keeps on the cookbook shelf in the kitchen. I've gotten in the habit of writing the purchase date on the front cover of said manual. Very simple, very easy. Also works great. We used to keep them in hanging folders in a file cabinet but decided that we needed a better mousetrap when we couldn't fit them in one drawer any more. g The other advantage to this is that PDF manuals are searchable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
Do I like it? Heavens no. But it has become an ID# never the less. Even the US government has not stopped it's use for this. Stewart At 05:50 AM 6/23/2009, you wrote: Reverend, I understand the Social Security Number's role in employment and taxes (the real reason banks started requiring it years ago). However, I cannot understand why people kowtow to consumer products companies to initiate service contract and to buy things such as a cell phone. That is going well beyond the purpose. Would you give M$ or Apple your Social Security Number to buy a computer and a service contract? I see this as propelling identity theft, because I don't trust the companies to keep the information secure, or not using it themselves in some quasi-legal way to mine customer information. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Embedding Metadata in PDF (Was: Databases: Open Office Base?)
thanks. that was VERY helpful! On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Judy Cosler wrote: not necessarily. Well, of course, there are countless other ways to screw up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
And if you don't know http://www.retrevo.com/, it is wonderful for locating old manuals. I've just retrieved two for stereo equipment from the 1960's. /gayley On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: The wife keeps the manuals in the pockets of a divider in a notebook she keeps on the cookbook shelf in the kitchen. I've gotten in the habit of writing the purchase date on the front cover of said manual. Very simple, very easy. Also works great. We used to keep them in hanging folders in a file cabinet but decided that we needed a better mousetrap when we couldn't fit them in one drawer any more. g The other advantage to this is that PDF manuals are searchable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
I agree it has become an ID number. I always have laughed, though, because when I was younger the Social Security card used to state on it that it was NOT to be used as an ID. Steve Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Do I like it? Heavens no. But it has become an ID# never the less. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
I discovered it back around February when I was looking for a manual for a friends all in printer/fax/scanner ( I believe it was an HP). The only cost appears to be periodic emails from them. Steve P.S. - It is one of the things I always liked about the Apple web site all the manuals, but it has always been limited just to theirs. Tony B wrote: The office called today and asked a technical question about one of their video cameras. Of course, my first response was to shout at the boss RTFM! But, she _does_ pay me for this type of thing, so I googled the manual. I found it on Retrevo, apparently a new service. I can see a real need for this type of service. Hello, Congratulations on becoming a Retrevo member. Our free service offers more than 100,000 manuals. Now that you've created your own personal account on Retrevo, why not let us store the manuals for all your gadgets. Click here to build your personal bookshelf of manuals. You will never have to go searching for a manual again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
Same here. However I knew in the military it was our ID#. It was required when you wrote a check at the PX or the comisary. When you got food the sign in sheet asked for your last 4. When you fill out a credit app. your SS# has to be on it. It has become a defacto federal ID card. In some foreign countries they issue ID cards. The US has never had a universally recognized ID card. I mentioned that up in Canada they issue everyone a SIN card which is similar to our SS#. However It is not used the same (I do not think as an ID) But the funny part is, it is issued on a hard plastic card. While our SS cards are flimsy paper. Stewart At 08:02 AM 6/23/2009, you wrote: I agree it has become an ID number. I always have laughed, though, because when I was younger the Social Security card used to state on it that it was NOT to be used as an ID. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
And if you don't know http://www.retrevo.com/, it is wonderful for locating old manuals. I've just retrieved two for stereo equipment from the 1960's. /gayley Yep, a mention of Retrevo is actually what started this discussion. Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
At 11:16 PM 6/22/2009 -0400, you wrote: The office called today and asked a technical question about one of their video cameras. Of course, my first response was to shout at the boss RTFM! But, she _does_ pay me for this type of thing, so I googled the manual. I found it on Retrevo, apparently a new service. I can see a real need for this type of service. Then there are items sold with NO manuals! I have one of those remote sensor thermometers and needed to change the batteries last week. I knew there was some sort of trick to setting them up. I never throw ANY manual away, but seemed to remember we had to go online to find the instructions. The web site is written on the back of the thermometer! Very convenient--as long as one has access to a computer. :) I did print off a couple of pages though, for the few things that I might really need to know in the future, and put them in the file with my other manuals. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
The new Palm Pre comes with NO manual. If you search, you can find the PDF on the website. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Sue Cubic Sent: 06/23/2009 9:30 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online At 11:16 PM 6/22/2009 -0400, you wrote: The office called today and asked a technical question about one of their video cameras. Of course, my first response was to shout at the boss RTFM! But, she _does_ pay me for this type of thing, so I googled the manual. I found it on Retrevo, apparently a new service. I can see a real need for this type of service. Then there are items sold with NO manuals! I have one of those remote sensor thermometers and needed to change the batteries last week. I knew there was some sort of trick to setting them up. I never throw ANY manual away, but seemed to remember we had to go online to find the instructions. The web site is written on the back of the thermometer! Very convenient--as long as one has access to a computer. :) I did print off a couple of pages though, for the few things that I might really need to know in the future, and put them in the file with my other manuals. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
Most newer electronics do not come with manuals. It is either on a CD or on line. I prefer downloading them to my computer that way I know where they are. Stewart At 09:20 AM 6/23/2009, you wrote: The new Palm Pre comes with NO manual. If you search, you can find the PDF on the website. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
It has become a defacto federal ID card. Well, a little nitpicky, but not so much ID card as ID number. I've -never- been asked to provide the actual card as an ID. (I lost mine decades ago and have never bothered to replace it--have never needed it.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
Recently for Military service and other things we have been asked for the actual SS card, not a copy or a duplicate. If you were to change jobs they might ask for the original SS card. I know we get hung up on the number but the SS administration will tell you it is an official US document. Not to be defaced or damaged. Oh when you go to retire it is I think one of the documents they ask you to show that you are who you claim to be. (I know of some folks that had a heck of a time getting some Government benefits as they could not show proof of who they were!) Stewart At 10:55 AM 6/23/2009, you wrote: It has become a defacto federal ID card. Well, a little nitpicky, but not so much ID card as ID number. I've -never- been asked to provide the actual card as an ID. (I lost mine decades ago and have never bothered to replace it--have never needed it.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
In a digital society, where the SS card is now mandatory at birth...id card and id number still have the same effect as a national id. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: It has become a defacto federal ID card. Well, a little nitpicky, but not so much ID card as ID number. I've -never- been asked to provide the actual card as an ID. (I lost mine decades ago and have never bothered to replace it--have never needed it.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
you need original SS card to get driver's license in NC. I just moved here hope I can find it! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: It has become a defacto federal ID card. Well, a little nitpicky, but not so much ID card as ID number. I've -never- been asked to provide the actual card as an ID. (I lost mine decades ago and have never bothered to replace it--have never needed it.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
I know when we moved from TN to AL we had to show that. Apparently the DL Dbases have been hacked enough that they do not simply accept a DL from another state. They want documented proof that you are who you say you are. Our one daughter had to bring her Graduation Diploma from HS in order to get her DL. In AL you need a slip of paper from the High School if you are under 19 or the diploma. Stewart At 11:12 AM 6/23/2009, you wrote: you need original SS card to get driver's license in NC. I just moved here hope I can find it! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: It has become a defacto federal ID card. Well, a little nitpicky, but not so much ID card as ID number. I've -never- been asked to provide the actual card as an ID. (I lost mine decades ago and have never bothered to replace it--have never needed it.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
You (all) are referring to things that derived from Real ID efforts from the GWB administration for drivers' licenses - supposedly an old dog-eared piece of paper, like a SSN card proves who you are because they government ID documents. In reality, all these new databases springing up with SSN just put PII data at risk and us at a higher risk of identity theft. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I know when we moved from TN to AL we had to show that. Apparently the DL Dbases have been hacked enough that they do not simply accept a DL from another state. They want documented proof that you are who you say you are. Our one daughter had to bring her Graduation Diploma from HS in order to get her DL. In AL you need a slip of paper from the High School if you are under 19 or the diploma. Stewart At 11:12 AM 6/23/2009, you wrote: you need original SS card to get driver's license in NC. I just moved here hope I can find it! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: It has become a defacto federal ID card. Well, a little nitpicky, but not so much ID card as ID number. I've -never- been asked to provide the actual card as an ID. (I lost mine decades ago and have never bothered to replace it--have never needed it.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Good idea - manuals online
Most of my new electronics come with a manual on CD... I just copy it to MY DOCUMENTS\MANUALS\ folder. When I move to a new computer, all my manuals come with me. Keeping up with the CD is too much trouble. - Brian * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
SS#s for Bank accounts have been around much longer. The Drivers License bit was in 2003 when I moved from TN to AL. Stewart At 11:55 AM 6/23/2009, you wrote: You (all) are referring to things that derived from Real ID efforts from the GWB administration for drivers' licenses - supposedly an old dog-eared piece of paper, like a SSN card proves who you are because they government ID documents. In reality, all these new databases springing up with SSN just put PII data at risk and us at a higher risk of identity theft. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] indescent, d'oh!
Was george carlin on wamu? .or have I missed something? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
SS#s for Bank accounts have been around much longer. The Drivers License bit was in 2003 when I moved from TN to AL. The driver's license for opening bank accounts is required by the USA PATRIOT Act, which was cleverly named so as to make opposing it appear treasonous. (I've always wondered how long it took someone to come up with words to match the preselected acronym: Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
On Jun 22, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The SS# has taken on a very big significance in the life of a person who lives and works in the USA. That's right. Otherwise the country is going to be over run with furriners. M$ doesn't want your SSN, they want you to show your M$ Passport. That is much better. Just don't you dare ask me for a SSN when I'm buying an AK at the gun show. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
I really do not worry about furriners seeing as though I am married to one of them. Stewart At 03:08 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote: That's right. Otherwise the country is going to be over run with furriners. M$ doesn't want your SSN, they want you to show your M$ Passport. That is much better. Just don't you dare ask me for a SSN when I'm buying an AK at the gun show. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Killing flat rate?
On Jun 21, 2009, at 11:39 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/The-Metered-Billing-Fight-Is- About-To-Get-Ugly-103043 Interesting story on how the industry wants to kill flat rate billing for the Internet. the push began in earnest this week, with a flood of astroturfers and paid policy goofs flooding Internet message boards with the gospel of their handlers. Well we here certainly know what that looks like. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Notebook Normal Operating Temperature
Generally, you always determine this by just running the computer for a while. You get to know what it will do under different conditions. You can find charts of maximum CPU temps online, but it's unlikely you'll get anywhere near those before the thing just shuts down. Our old Dell laptop was slowing down after it warmed up. At first I thought it might be a bad wireless card, but I tried a USB receiver and it did the same. Like molasses after an hour. I pulled the heatsink off the cpu, cleaned up both sides, and applied a fresh bead of heatsink compound. Runs good now. Luckily ours was fairly easy to do this. I just googled the instructions. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Edward Yarboroughedwardyarboro...@jhu.edu wrote: Does anyone know or have an idea on how I can find the normal operating temp of a Dell D600 notebook? They have made it extremely hard to find. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
I really do not worry about furriners seeing as though I am married to one of them. I used to be married to one of them Canadians too. She told me that they didn't count as furriners because they speak English, sort of, and their only agenda was finding enough Molson's, eh? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Sprint Requires SSN to Open Acct, buy Pre
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: When I started college they issued us an ID number which was sort of alphabetical derived. About halfway through they changed the ID number to our SSN Out of curiosity, how long ago was this? A lot of organizations that at one time used SSNs for IDs have stopped doing so. My Blue Cross ID, for example, used to be my SSN, but they changed it maybe four or five years ago for privacy reasons. I started in college 1979 and they changed to SSNs a couple of years later. I would hope they have changed back since then. I knew it was a bad idea then. VA has changed drivers license numbers to it's own number. I had a clinic ask for my SSN last week. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] indescent, d'oh!
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Was george carlin on wamu? .or have I missed something? It was open mike night. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
