Re: [CGUYS] Gmail issue
I would certainly trust Google more than Outlook. I frequently get calls about corrupt email database files and when those go it is highly probable that you can kiss your saved emails goodbye. Google may have a temporary slowdown or outage, but I don't know of anyone who has lost all their saved emails. I always wonder what people do to corrupt their pst files. I have about 100 people archiving their email into network based psts in Outlook, some multi GB, and have near zero corruption issues. The biggest problem I have is with n00bs deleting them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...
http://daringfireball.net/2009/07/microsofts_long_slow_decline * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail issue
Yes, I trust Google to store my stuff. And Amazon. I may store other stuff with MS when they start offering the service. In a separate thread, please tell us about your own redundant backup strategy and why it's better than cloud storage. I wouldn't trust any free online company to store my important data. I've been burned many times by making that foolish assumption. I'll never do that again. There are storage companies that do primarily storage at a reasonable price and do it well, but it would never be my only backup. I do store things online, to share, and for easy retrieval. But to make that my ONLY location--that's asking for big trouble. I'd never trust Microsoft. Their online presence and offline programs are too unreliable. Google and Yahoo, maybe. Amazon, no--they delete things at random without telling owners; they even changed one of our book listings without permission. The most reliable place I've stored things is in my Lonely Planet vault. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE
And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means that as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its inherent flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to update and add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to preclude the loss/damage of private information. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ... NOT
I am not being an apologist for MSFT. They have done many things wrong- including the concept of selling 5 different versions of Vista and 7, and screwing up Windows Mobile. However, to compare an Apple with a Microsoft is not totally correct. That would be equivalent to comparing Sherwin Williams with Punte Home Builders. One provides something necessary for homes; the other provides the whole home- with many subcontractors. In addition, Apple outsources the bulk of its production to China. You can do your own political calculations with that. More- over the past three years, PC Manufacturers have made concerted efforts to lower the price of their desktops and (especially) laptops- whether due to competition or market is immaterial for this analysis. It explains the changes to Dell, the disappearance of also-ran vendors (who are by and large part of Acer nowadays). So, if the desire of the manufacturer was increased volume at lower unit sales price (notice that laptops no longer use specialized components and are serviceable by almost anyone), the fact that Apple never lowered its prices would guarantee that the sales percentage increases. Now, a dose of reality (it's called examining the 10Q, 8K submitted to the government and their stockholders) shows that gross sales of Macs (laptops and desktops) as a gross number has decreased over the past year by some 8% or more. And, that was before the much ballyhooed price drop (which is a reflection of the information gleaned from the paragraph above). The growth in Apple sales has been due to iPhone and iPod. I salute that performance- it's what companies need to do to grow and survive in the marketplace. (Hey, MSFT wake the up- and Xbox is NOT the answer.) But computer sales are not what you thought they were for Apple. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail issue
I wouldn't trust any free online company to store my important data. I've been burned many times by making that foolish assumption. I'll never do that again. There are storage companies that do primarily storage at a reasonable price and do it well, but it would never be my only backup. No setup is absolutely 100% reliable, but I have yet to lose email with AOL (which does offer free IMAP access), Google or Yahoo. I have however had email and other files disappear from supposedly securely backed up providers. I do have to wonder just those folks with multiple gigs of photo or movie files will do in the near future for backup. Multiple hard drives are nice but prone to failure, DVD storage isn't perfect (and tricky with some video formats). I do store things online, to share, and for easy retrieval. But to make that my ONLY location--that's asking for big trouble. I'd never trust Microsoft. Their online presence and offline programs are too unreliable. Google and Yahoo, maybe. Amazon, no--they delete things at random without telling owners; they even changed one of our book listings without permission. The most reliable place I've stored things is in my Lonely Planet vault. Actually if you download your mail from Gmail automatically via IMAP, you can have a locally available copy of all your mail. In fact if Gmail is set to allow you to work offline, you also can have a locally available copy of all your email via your browser hopefully set to access Google via https. Yahoo is slightly trickier but with Thunderbird and the requisite add-ons, you once again can have access to all of your mail. Unfortunately Yahoo doesn't offer IMAP except to paying customers, and its work offline setup isn't as functional as Google. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ... NOT
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.acker...@astrecg.com wrote: But computer sales are not what you thought they were for Apple. I am a user of Apple computers for a long time. I have never used, on any daily basis, a Windows machine. However, I am not an advocate of Apple Corp. doing everything it can do to increase its sales of desktop and laptop computers. Obvioulsy, I do not own stock in that company. As you have pointed out, Apple's low market share in the realm of computers has helped prevent the platform from becoming a major target for evil-doers, and that suits me just fine. I do not predicate my affinity for Macintosh computers upon their popularity in the general marketplace, and were Macintosh computers to gain, by leaps and bounds, far greater market penetration, the only effect it would have upon me would be increased worry about malicious code infecting my equipment. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail issue
Yes, for me (not a geek) it musta been server issues, and thus proof google runs more than 1 server (duh) and the ones who had trouble were on it ...I can't believe people who know little about computerdom (myself 1) know THAT little... -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:22 PM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: Gmail issue On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:06 PM, rleesimonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote: That's for sure...I get my gmail in my outlook and I have many archives ...just yesterday I had to go get some tax records for 2007 ...easy as pie ...just looked in some archives and there it was ...saved my ...well, you know ...but really ...do you wanna trust google to store your stuff? ...sheesh!! The folks at Google say that local server issues present most of the unable to connect problems associated with Gmail. I suspect that could well be the case, and could have been the case with my recent experience. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Cars for the sightless?
Here's a good idea. Va. Tech Engineers Develop Vehicle for Blind Drivers http://tinyurl.com/lcrakr * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More computer humor
M$ has perfected the process whereby the hourglass is responsive to retinal orientation. -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: More computer humor More Murphy's Laws of Computing 1. To err is human...to blame your computer for your mistakes is even more than human, it's downright natural. 2. He who laughs last, probably has a back-up. 3. The number one cause of computer problems is computer solutions. 4. A complex system that doesn't work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine. 5. A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want it to do. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] noiseheat
My laptop (ibm x31 winxpprosp3 pIVm1.4/2gb/120gb) sits most of the time on a dock which, instead of the battery has a sled in the ultrabay with the old 40mb HDD which started making noise today and doesn't show on the list.opened the bay and it's hot,hot. Is this the proverbial end of that? If so, what capacity disk can I put in there (it's a pata 2.5)? I would use it as backup storage.tia! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] More DTV weirdness...
For a while yesterday afternoon, Washington DC affiliate WRC, normally DTV channel 4-1(along with a couple of their sub-channels) had once again disappeared, showing up instead at channel 48-1, along with sub-channels 48-2 and 48-3. For some reason, this happens every once in a while. I wrote to the station earlier on about this, but as expected in advance, got no reply, which is their way of saying, Huh? What are you talking about? What DTV problems? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM, rleesimonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote: My laptop (ibm x31 winxpprosp3 pIVm1.4/2gb/120gb) sits most of the time on a dock which, instead of the battery has a sled in the ultrabay with the old 40mb HDD which started making noise today and doesn't show on the list.opened the bay and it's hot,hot. Is this the proverbial end of that? Sounds as if the bearings have given out. It may lock up on you soon, unable to spin up the next time you turn it on. Best to get that data off of there now. I can't answer your question about what capacity drive to use as a replacement. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More DTV weirdness...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: For a while yesterday afternoon, Washington DC affiliate WRC, normally DTV channel 4-1(along with a couple of their sub-channels) had once again disappeared, showing up instead at channel 48-1, along with sub-channels 48-2 and 48-3. For some reason, this happens every once in a while. I wrote to the station earlier on about this, but as expected in advance, got no reply, which is their way of saying, Huh? What are you talking about? What DTV problems? 4 transmits at 48 it just lost the alias in your DTV tuner. Rescan and it should be fine. Channels under 7 are transmitted elsewhere but they kept the original designation not to really confuse people. Check out antennaweb.org to see where frequencies are used by each channel. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db rleesimon wrote: My laptop (ibm x31 winxpprosp3 pIVm1.4/2gb/120gb) sits most of the time on a dock which, instead of the battery has a sled in the ultrabay with the old 40mb HDD which started making noise today and doesn't show on the list.opened the bay and it's hot,hot. Is this the proverbial end of that? If so, what capacity disk can I put in there (it's a pata 2.5)? I would use it as backup storage.tia! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More DTV weirdness...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:08 PM, John Duncan Yoyojohnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: 4 transmits at 48 it just lost the alias in your DTV tuner. Rescan and it should be fine. Channels under 7 are transmitted elsewhere but they kept the original designation not to really confuse people. I understand that they transmit on channel 48. However, I think that the problem of it displaying as channel 48 as opposed to displaying as channel 4 is something that goes awry on their end, not on my end. This has happened before, and I have two different brands of DTV sets and they both displayed the same problem. One time before when this same thing was discussed here, another list member saw the same thing happen at the same time I did. The problem of the channel designation information most certainly appears to originate with the broadcaster, not with the receiver. I have also read similar descriptions on some DTV forums of the same problem in other markets. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart At 02:22 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
From Google Shopping: http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart At 02:22 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means that as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its inherent flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to update and add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to preclude the loss/damage of private information. Eschew Obfuscation Looks like a case of Obfuscation to me. What security failures. Should you truthfully be calling it discovery of potential flaws? It ain't a security failure if it hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By your faulty logic we are all dead already. ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target... This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight. the (heretofore smug) users Smug carries too much baggage to be accurate. Smug implies excessive pride. Mac users pride is hard earned and based on real achievement. Only someone with an excessive Windows inferiority complex would use the word smug. Speaking of having an excessive Windows inferiority complex, did you catch the Ballmer anti-Apple tirade... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/07/31/ballmer-skeptical-of- apple-share-gains/ “Share versus Apple, you know, we think we may have ticked up a little tick, but when you get right down to it, it’s a rounding error,” he said. “Apple’s share change, plus or minus from ours, they took a little share a couple quarters, we took share back a couple quarters. But Apple’s share globally cost us nothing. Now, hopefully, we will take share back from Apple, but you know, Apple still only sells about 10 million PCs, so it is a limited opportunity.” *** Shipments of Apple’s Mac PCs rose 4 percent in the June quarter, while the global PC market shrank 5 percent, according to Gartner. *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail issue
Betty, I was curious and could not find a Lonely Planet vault on Lonely Planet although I found references to it. Also I am curious as to why you feel that Lonely Planet vault is more reliable than the services of a company like Amazon S3 or Mozy/EMC who have a major professional stake in cloud storage with all the professional, security, stability concerns and expertise that entails. Seems like a travel vault would be an automatic first target for hacking by passport and identity forgers... and that Lonely Planet would not have the type and quality of IT staff or expertise to stay ahead of them... db b_s-wilk wrote: Yes, I trust Google to store my stuff. And Amazon. I may store other stuff with MS when they start offering the service. In a separate thread, please tell us about your own redundant backup strategy and why it's better than cloud storage. I wouldn't trust any free online company to store my important data. I've been burned many times by making that foolish assumption. I'll never do that again. There are storage companies that do primarily storage at a reasonable price and do it well, but it would never be my only backup. I do store things online, to share, and for easy retrieval. But to make that my ONLY location--that's asking for big trouble. I'd never trust Microsoft. Their online presence and offline programs are too unreliable. Google and Yahoo, maybe. Amazon, no--they delete things at random without telling owners; they even changed one of our book listings without permission. The most reliable place I've stored things is in my Lonely Planet vault. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE
Don't know why you listen to him we don't. Stewart At 02:51 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means that as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its inherent flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to update and add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to preclude the loss/damage of private information. Eschew Obfuscation Looks like a case of Obfuscation to me. What security failures. Should you truthfully be calling it discovery of potential flaws? It ain't a security failure if it hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By your faulty logic we are all dead already. ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target... This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight. the (heretofore smug) users Smug carries too much baggage to be accurate. Smug implies excessive pride. Mac users pride is hard earned and based on real achievement. Only someone with an excessive Windows inferiority complex would use the word smug. Speaking of having an excessive Windows inferiority complex, did you catch the Ballmer anti-Apple tirade... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/07/31/ballmer-skeptical-of- apple-share-gains/ Share versus Apple, you know, we think we may have ticked up a little tick, but when you get right down to it, it's a rounding error, he said. Apple's share change, plus or minus from ours, they took a little share a couple quarters, we took share back a couple quarters. But Apple's share globally cost us nothing. Now, hopefully, we will take share back from Apple, but you know, Apple still only sells about 10 million PCs, so it is a limited opportunity. *** Shipments of Apple's Mac PCs rose 4 percent in the June quarter, while the global PC market shrank 5 percent, according to Gartner. *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
The freezer technique worked for me. I used a ziplock bag, didn't need to wait overnight, and used an enclosure. Good luck. -Andy Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart At 02:22 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
Better pricing. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEN=2010150014%201035907789name=IDE%20Ultra%20ATA100 Stewart At 02:46 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: From Google Shopping: http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart At 02:22 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More DTV weirdness...
You might want to try calling and talking directly to one of their engineers. Letters just go to public affairs. Richard P. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM, phartz...@gmail.comphartz...@gmail.com wrote: For a while yesterday afternoon, Washington DC affiliate WRC, normally DTV channel 4-1(along with a couple of their sub-channels) had once again disappeared, showing up instead at channel 48-1, along with sub-channels 48-2 and 48-3. For some reason, this happens every once in a while. I wrote to the station earlier on about this, but as expected in advance, got no reply, which is their way of saying, Huh? What are you talking about? What DTV problems? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
I guess it has to do with the severity of the problem. Stewart At 03:01 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: The freezer technique worked for me. I used a ziplock bag, didn't need to wait overnight, and used an enclosure. Good luck. -Andy Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
I think it was a 2.5 PATA drive... notebook size ... that was in the docking bay... db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Better pricing. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEN=2010150014%201035907789name=IDE%20Ultra%20ATA100 Stewart At 02:46 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: From Google Shopping: http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart At 02:22 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
PATA is the newer name for ATA100 IDE. Parallel versus Serial Stewart At 03:19 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: I think it was a 2.5 PATA drive... notebook size ... that was in the docking bay... db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Better pricing. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEN=2010150014%201035907789name=IDE%20Ultra%20ATA100 Stewart At 02:46 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: From Google Shopping: http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart At 02:22 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE
Too true. Marketshare in itself does not imply security or lack of. But logic does seem to dictate that those who go after the insecure OS's go after the one with larger marketshare since they don't seem to go after the one with smaller marketshare which has been proven to be no more secure. As has been said time and time again, OS X is security by obscurity, not by design. But the end result for the user is more security just the same. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:51 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: What security failures. Should you truthfully be calling it discovery of potential flaws? It ain't a security failure if it hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By your faulty logic we are all dead already. ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target... This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
Cooled it off under fan and a/c ...got the data off ...I spoze it's curtains for that drive ...good I replaced it before it croaked (got the 120gb one in the notebook a while back)... thanks! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: noiseheat On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM, rleesimonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote: My laptop (ibm x31 winxpprosp3 pIVm1.4/2gb/120gb) sits most of the time on a dock which, instead of the battery has a sled in the ultrabay with the old 40mb HDD which started making noise today and doesn't show on the list.opened the bay and it's hot,hot. Is this the proverbial end of that? Sounds as if the bearings have given out. It may lock up on you soon, unable to spin up the next time you turn it on. Best to get that data off of there now. I can't answer your question about what capacity drive to use as a replacement. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More DTV weirdness...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Richard P.richs...@gmail.com wrote: You might want to try calling and talking directly to one of their engineers. Letters just go to public affairs. You don't thnik that you have to go through public affairs to get to an engineer? I've been associated with the broadcasting industry long enough to know better than that. Unless one already has a direct line to engineering, you are going to have to go through a filter. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone 3GS encryption useless
On Jul 29, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: iPhone SMS attack to be unleashed at Black Hat Apple on Friday released iPhone Software Update 3.0.1, which fixes the SMS vulnerability demonstrated at the Black Hat security conference on Thursday. Next-day service on security fixes. Hard to beat that! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone 3GS encryption useless
Next day, six weeks...whatever... On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:00 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: iPhone SMS attack to be unleashed at Black Hat Apple on Friday released iPhone Software Update 3.0.1, which fixes the SMS vulnerability demonstrated at the Black Hat security conference on Thursday. Next-day service on security fixes. Hard to beat that! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
I've actually frozen entire laptops just to pull the data off. Doesn't take more than a couple of hours to chill it up enough. - Original Message - From: db db...@att.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat From Google Shopping: http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f http://www.google.com/products?q=buy+pata+2.5+drivehl=enaq=f Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I was told at least over night, then boot the system up right away and get the stuff off. By the way PATA are still available and you can ;put it as large as your system can handle. Probably a 100+ drive. Stewart At 02:22 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: If you need to attempt to retrieve data off of that drive, put it in the freezer for an hours or so and then take it out and see if it will work again temporarily. You can google freezing hard drive to retrieve data if you want to know more about this technique... db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More DTV weirdness...
Last time I called WUSA about the poor reception problems, I asked the receptionist for engineering and they put me through. The receptionist usually doesn't have time to filter outside calls. Richard P. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:22 PM, phartz...@gmail.comphartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Richard P.richs...@gmail.com wrote: You might want to try calling and talking directly to one of their engineers. Letters just go to public affairs. You don't thnik that you have to go through public affairs to get to an engineer? I've been associated with the broadcasting industry long enough to know better than that. Unless one already has a direct line to engineering, you are going to have to go through a filter. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More DTV weirdness...
You don't thnik that you have to go through public affairs to get to an engineer? I've been associated with the broadcasting industry long enough to know better than that. Unless one already has a direct line to engineering, you are going to have to go through a filter. Aren't you assuming that there is an engineer or two available to be reached? Even some video broadcasters have contract engineers who aren't really employees or present at the station except when carrying out duties and then they're normally at the transmit site. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google Warning...
I'm finding it very difficult to teach these seniors not to be afraid of the machines, and yet balance that with the security issues that they will find on their home computers. You are experience first hand the difference between getting Windows vs Macintosh. The Macs are far more resistant to this kind of pollution. They would be easier to lock down too, but that is generally unnecessary. My Dad got his first computer when he was in his 70s, a Quadra 605, moved on to a PM 6100, now has an indigo CRT iMac that's fading a bit--used them for a home business. He told me he wants a MacBook or MB Pro with WiFi. Likes his Macs a lot; says they're easy, not scary, and don't crash. He's 91 and buying a new car tomorrow. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits.
Google: 2nd hit was what I wanted. I checked the first 100 hits from Bing, and found nothing. I did a find on each Bing page for 1% None of the first 100 Bing hits had that term. I then stopped checking. Search term: 1% own Google's second hit: World's richest 1% own 40% of all wealth, UN report discovers ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
