Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
Quoting db db...@att.net: Can anyone tell me what probably occurred and what are the best procedures for securing iChat/ AIM that won't also block the LogMeIn remote login that I use to give him lessons? I don't have an actual answer for you (sorry), but this might be worth a trip to an Apple store to let a genius figure it out, or perhaps wipe his system and restore. If he's still figuring out the mouse he can't possibly have that much important data on there. Is this a refurbed Mac? How else would he have iChat and AIM accounts going? And if he's in the habit of roaming around the house in his birthday suit, he might want to put a piece of tape over the camera lens. (-: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem
On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Jordan wrote: My 2 year old intel iMac won't boot. I got a grey kernel crash screen yesterday, but it restarted and ran fine in the evening so I didn't take any time to investigate. This evening it started strangely, displayed properly, but would not run Eye TV. I tried to restart it and now all it does is play the audio crescendo, sounds like it reads the hard drive for a moment and then does nothing else. No display. I put the OS DVD in and started, holding C, and it makes noises like it's reading the DVD but gives up in a few moments. I tried resetting the NVRAM, but it won't reset it. No beeps. Instead of starting up with Command-C, do the same with Command- Option-Shift-Delete held down. If you succeed with startup it would indicate a hardware problem with the disk drive. The drive is easy to swap out on that model (if I'm guessing your model right). Restoring from your TimeMachine backup will get you back running quickly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: PCMag Analysis: Apple, ATT and Google Voice]
On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Their argument sounds oddly plaintive: Apple spent a lot of time and effort developing their phone interface, so they don't like that Google replac[es] the iPhone's core mobile telephone functionality and Apple user interface with its own user interface for telephone calls, text messaging and voicemail. Saying don't like is extrapolating too far. More accurate would be saying that it is something that needs to be thought through. Looking back in history, some credit the success of the Apple II computer solely to the invention of the VisiCalc spreadsheet, because it turned the Apple II into a serious business tool. I think Apple needs to decide whether the iPhone is better for them as a computing platform or as a delivery mechanism for ATT services. Right now Apple is getting huge payments from ATT, which makes sticking with ATT very tempting. If Google could match the ATT cash flow it would be easier for Apple to open up the platform to Google (and others). Long term Apple has to figure out a way to capture a share of the income streams that the iPhone is enabling. That would allow Apple to open the iPhone to all comers on an equal basis. Doing this would make many customers and carriers very happy, but would make ATT very unhappy. Open access would likely assure the long term dominance of the iPhone. ATT's lock on the iPhone is one of the iPhone's few weak spots. I think the GoogleVoice app is forcing Apple to do some heavy thinking sooner than it had anticipated. Apple may leave Google hanging for a long time as it tries to work out the many implications. We are going to see just how smart Apple really is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:44 PM, db wrote: Currently he has no use whatsoever for iChat (he's just learning to mouse about, read emails etc... he hasn't even sent an email yet...) and I'd like to make sure his computer and iChat are secure and impervious to more of the same. http://basics4mac.com/article.php/ichat_privacy You can set various levels of privacy in iChat that determine who can chat with you. To set your privacy level, go to Preferences and choose the Accounts pane and then the Security tab. You can choose from any of these five options: * Allow anyone * Allow people on my Buddy List * Allow specific people * Block everyone * Block specific people Anyone who is allowed to chat with you can also see your availability (available / away / offline). Anyone who is blocked will always see you as offline. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Reid Katan wrote: How else would he have iChat and AIM accounts going? iChat uses the AIM network. So no surprise there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
On Aug 22, 2009, at 4:40 PM, mike wrote: Everything is the fault of those damn neomircrosofticons eh? How you manage to bring your made up boogey men into everything is amazing. On Aug 22, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: You first feign outrage over Google Voice and then almost immediately fold like a cheap chair and spew a they're just so misunderstood defense of Apple. Arguing with you guys is like trying to have a conversation with a coffee table. Fortunately there were many other posts that were thoughtful about this very interesting situation. Hang it up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
Quoting TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com: On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Reid Katan wrote: How else would he have iChat and AIM accounts going? iChat uses the AIM network. So no surprise there. What I was wondering is, basically, do Macs come with iChat/AIM accounts set up? That seems like something he would have to enable. I've had my iBook for about a year so far (bought refurbed with OSX.4 from Geeks.com) and no one has tried to iChat with me. . .hmm, maybe that's saying more about me than my computer. )-: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem
TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Jordan wrote: My 2 year old intel iMac won't boot. I got a grey kernel crash screen yesterday, but it restarted and ran fine in the evening so I didn't take any time to investigate. This evening it started strangely, displayed properly, but would not run Eye TV. I tried to restart it and now all it does is play the audio crescendo, sounds like it reads the hard drive for a moment and then does nothing else. No display. I put the OS DVD in and started, holding C, and it makes noises like it's reading the DVD but gives up in a few moments. I tried resetting the NVRAM, but it won't reset it. No beeps. Instead of starting up with Command-C, do the same with Command-Option-Shift-Delete held down. If you succeed with startup it would indicate a hardware problem with the disk drive. The drive is easy to swap out on that model (if I'm guessing your model right). Restoring from your TimeMachine backup will get you back running quickly. Thanks I think I had tried that at one point last night, but in any case, it didn't start it just now when I did it. I don't know if I dreamed it up or read it somewhere but I just held down the start button until the light on the front started flashing, then it let out a long beeep and started! Just for reference, this it a 10.4 machine. I used Disk Utility to verify the internal disk and the external firewire disk and they both check out fine. I had a feeling this was a logic problem, or something other than hard drive. Please suggest what next steps to take to find out what went wrong. What hardware tests? What logs to read? I guess I'm happy to say that I have problems so seldom that I tend to forget what to do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple Answers the FCC’s Questions
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Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
Fortunately there were many other posts that were thoughtful about this very interesting situation. TomLogik(t) Not thoughtful = Objective reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
I wish you would. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:10 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Arguing with you guys is like trying to have a conversation with a coffee table. Fortunately there were many other posts that were thoughtful about this very interesting situation. Hang it up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
It's a new computer and the most he might have done was accidentally clicked on the iChat icon on the Dock (he says he didn't..) ... which could have launched the program. Somehow it got launched. (I think maybe iChat gets automatically launched if you access the camera or microphone). (Interestingly, most people's Macs I come across have many programs running because they normally only close windows and don't realize the programs are still running.) Once it was running maybe his computer was visible to AIM by default and people contacted him via AIM launching those chat windows? That seems like a bad situation if that is the default. Does anyone know? What was the exploit that was in the news a while back about Macs and iChat/ camera and microphone? db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com: On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Reid Katan wrote: How else would he have iChat and AIM accounts going? iChat uses the AIM network. So no surprise there. What I was wondering is, basically, do Macs come with iChat/AIM accounts set up? That seems like something he would have to enable. I've had my iBook for about a year so far (bought refurbed with OSX.4 from Geeks.com) and no one has tried to iChat with me. . .hmm, maybe that's saying more about me than my computer. )-: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
So if you are using Google voice across the data plan as you describe does that essentially free you from the expensive daytime minutes restriction? Can you get a cell phone with a data plan AND WITHOUT a talk plan? Dan Yes, it's called T-Mobile's SideKick--also Blackberry, other PDAs, Sprint's [or other carrier] USB data card. The carriers' USB data cards usually start with a $50/mo plan. T-Mobile's Blackberry unlimited data starts at $40, SideKick, $45 or $1/day PAYGO. If you want unlimited data, use WiFi or WiMax [where available], but it's likely that neither will be free, unless you have unlimited access to open WiFi. For free WiFi via Skype, et al, you need an unlocked phone with WiFi that's not crippled by the carrier. Those are available for GSM networks, but probably not for CDMA. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
Time for a REAL reality check. Apple has rejected many apps that it later accepted. They're not lying. They're being cautious. Apple developers prefer to delay a questionable app until it will work nicely with other apps and the OS. Google Voice does neither. They'll work it out like they've done before. Well, there's a well-known and very good tech site with serious inside connections in the industry and then there's...your opinion. Call me crazy for not taking you as seriously. Apple's criteria for accepting apps isn’t what you would call organized. Or predictable. Or comprehensible. It's all about the money and I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with Apple telling Google to pound sand. The least Apple could do is be honest about it instead of hiding behind their lawyer's skirts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
So you know google is lying...how do you know that? Sent from my iPod On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:06 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Time for a REAL reality check. Apple has rejected many apps that it later accepted. They're not lying. They're being cautious. Apple developers prefer to delay a questionable app until it will work nicely with other apps and the OS. Google Voice does neither. They'll work it out like they've done before. Use GV on an iTouch or Nokia N-series or LG and forget about the iPhone. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
On Aug 23, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Mike wrote: So you know google is lying...how do you know that? The issue is not Google or Apple lying. It is you trying to insert misinformation into the account of what transpired. GV was not rejected by Apple. It was not approved. The two are not the same. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
db wrote: It's a new computer and the most he might have done was accidentally clicked on the iChat icon on the Dock (he says he didn't..) ... which could have launched the program. Somehow it got launched. (I think maybe iChat gets automatically launched if you access the camera or microphone). (Interestingly, most people's Macs I come across have many programs running because they normally only close windows and don't realize the programs are still running.) Once it was running maybe his computer was visible to AIM by default and people contacted him via AIM launching those chat windows? That seems like a bad situation if that is the default. Does anyone know? What was the exploit that was in the news a while back about Macs and iChat/ camera and microphone? Not to call anyone a lier or anything but from long experience, older people, my mother and others, may do some surprising stuff on the computer, and either not realize it or forget about it. Or they get someone to help them with the computer and forget. There are simply no other explanations for some of the stuff I've seen on her computer, and others. I had the same experience when I was supervising inexperienced CNC machine operators. You can burn a lot of time trying to figure out how something happened, but sometimes you just have to let it go. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Reid Katan wrote: What I was wondering is, basically, do Macs come with iChat/AIM accounts set up? That seems like something he would have to enable. I've had my iBook for about a year so far (bought refurbed with OSX. 4 from Geeks.com) and no one has tried to iChat with me. . .hmm, maybe that's saying more about me than my computer. )-: Not set up, but starting iChat will start a sign up process. You answer a few questions and you have an account set up for you,. It is not like the old days when it took several days of reading manuals, downloading software, patching, configuring, cursing. reinstalling, reconfiguring, and more cursing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem
On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Jordan wrote: I think I had tried that at one point last night, but in any case, it didn't start it just now when I did it. That suggests that it is probably not a hard drive problem. I don't know if I dreamed it up or read it somewhere but I just held down the start button until the light on the front started flashing, then it let out a long beeep and started! Good. I think that reset the power management unit. That definitely could have caused the problem you describe. I used Disk Utility to verify the internal disk and the external firewire disk and they both check out fine. I had a feeling this was a logic problem, or something other than hard drive. Good. Please suggest what next steps to take to find out what went wrong. What hardware tests? What logs to read? You are done. Nothing more to check. Nothing more to do. It is unlikely you will see this problem again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Logmein
db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] REJECTED [Was: Apple Answers the FCC’s Questi ons]
On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: Your message cannot be distributed to the COMPUTERGUYS-L list because it exceeds the maximum message size of 225 lines. The size of your message was 350 lines. Congratulations on being the first to be so rejected. This limit has been in force for several years. I probably should lower it further, possibly to 100 lines. You should be giving us a link to long documents, not pasting them whole into emails. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool. Web based it takes all the tech out of setting up VNC / remote desktop login etc. The Free version does most of all you want. No SFTP or printing to the controlling computer that you get with Pro. A PC controlling a Mac won't have the command key for key commands but you can mouse around that. db Jordan wrote: db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] REJECTED [Was: Apple Answers the FCC's Q uesti ons]
Congratulations on being the first to be so rejected. Clearly I should speak longer. I thought I was too wordy by far, now that you say there's a limit I can aspire to exceeding it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
I have been using LogMeIn forever- love it so much better than the alternatives. But, there is only one choice if you have the PalmPre and want to run/check out a Desktop (Mac or PC). Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Sent: 08/23/2009 3:22 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Logmein db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
I use the free version of Logmein a lot on my PCs. It's main claim to fame is it's ability to work on any system with a working browser; no fancy configurations required. db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool. Web based it takes all the tech out of setting up VNC / remote desktop login etc. The Free version does most of all you want. No SFTP or printing to the controlling computer that you get with Pro. I use LogMeIn Free for supporting all of our laptops. It saves me many schleps to the machine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
Does that mean that that's only way the login.oscar.aol.com account that I found on his machine could have gotten installed in iChat preferences next to the Bonjour acct? I tend to agree with your experience but in this case my uncle can't type, has trouble clicking on the right button instead of the left (I got him a MS mouse because he had too much trouble with the Apple mouse) and he doesn't even know anyone by the name of Oscar, no less had them over his house. He's older... nobody comes to visit but his daughter who is a busy professional ... not the chat type and doesn't hang around when she visits ... and has an iPhone with her when she comes. Can I chase down oscar.aol.com on my own by other means to see if it is someone he knows? (I know nothing about Chat ... I have 0 experience since about 10 years ago when I experimented with it briefly ...) db Jordan wrote: db wrote: It's a new computer and the most he might have done was accidentally clicked on the iChat icon on the Dock (he says he didn't..) ... which could have launched the program. Somehow it got launched. (I think maybe iChat gets automatically launched if you access the camera or microphone). (Interestingly, most people's Macs I come across have many programs running because they normally only close windows and don't realize the programs are still running.) Once it was running maybe his computer was visible to AIM by default and people contacted him via AIM launching those chat windows? That seems like a bad situation if that is the default. Does anyone know? What was the exploit that was in the news a while back about Macs and iChat/ camera and microphone? Not to call anyone a lier or anything but from long experience, older people, my mother and others, may do some surprising stuff on the computer, and either not realize it or forget about it. Or they get someone to help them with the computer and forget. There are simply no other explanations for some of the stuff I've seen on her computer, and others. I had the same experience when I was supervising inexperienced CNC machine operators. You can burn a lot of time trying to figure out how something happened, but sometimes you just have to let it go. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jordan wrote: db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? Screen sharing is part of OS X.5 (Leopard). Works over the local network or with a VPN or MobileMe. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
So again, you are saying the FCC is involved for zero reason? On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Mike wrote: So you know google is lying...how do you know that? The issue is not Google or Apple lying. It is you trying to insert misinformation into the account of what transpired. GV was not rejected by Apple. It was not approved. The two are not the same. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
Windows comes with Remote Assistance. But it requires someone at the other end to answer. And port forwarding I think. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:10 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jordan wrote: db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? Screen sharing is part of OS X.5 (Leopard). Works over the local network or with a VPN or MobileMe. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?
At 1:07 PM -0700 8/23/09, db wrote: [snip] Can I chase down oscar.aol.com on my own by other means to see if it is someone he knows? The oscar is not a person's name; it is the name of the normal, everyday AIM server. It was set up automatically. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
Time for a REAL reality check. Apple has rejected many apps that it later accepted. They're not lying. They're being cautious. Apple developers prefer to delay a questionable app until it will work nicely with other apps and the OS. Google Voice does neither. They'll work it out like they've done before. Well, there's a well-known and very good tech site with serious inside connections in the industry and then there's...your opinion. Call me crazy for not taking you as seriously. Apple's criteria for accepting apps isn’t what you would call organized. Or predictable. Or comprehensible. When I did work for Apple, they were very secretive, very careful, fairly organized. With many projects in RD at the same time, most of the research groups were kept in the dark about each others projects. When the projects became viable, they were tested and retested, many of them scrapped rather releasing them if the product wasn't up to par. With software, Apple is very clear about what is supported and not supported. They want everything to work seamlessly, and provide all the APIs for the developers to get their apps right, then have them tested repeatedly [unlike Microsoft which doesn't release all APIs to third party developers]. I have at least as much experience with Apple products as your so-called tech site. There are NO real inside connections with Apple, except where Apple allows. As soon as there are leaks, the leaker[s] is/are fired. Industrial espionage is serious business. I still have a cousin who works for Apple as an engineer. They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
And yet still things leak. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I still have a cousin who works for Apple as an engineer. They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation
So far I have resisted getting a cell phone for myself. Wife daughters insist on having one, so that I am paying about $150/month for same. Don't want to add on to my plan since it requires another 2-year contract, plus wifey will be constantly calling me for help, for chitchat, and for no reason other than she's bored. (I don't like to talk on any telephone since meaning of words is ambiguous without visual communication.) Heard about prepaid cell phones on this Listserv, asking for recommendations. What I want cell phone for: for travel emergency and, possibly, for travel advice from friends while traveling Estimated monthly useage: 10 minutes/month What I would use: voice telephony What I wouldn't use: text or picture messaging, web browsing, picture taking, anything else. What I don't want: people text messaging me, or calling me to chitchat. What's not important: overseas calling, or long distance except during travel emergency My location: Northern Virginia and DC. Question: is a prepaid cell phone cost effective for me? Cheaper than adding onto a family plan? What prepaid plan is recommended? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. How do you know? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
db wrote: LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool. Web based it takes all the tech out of setting up VNC / remote desktop login etc. The Free version does most of all you want. No SFTP or printing to the controlling computer that you get with Pro. A PC controlling a Mac won't have the command key for key commands but you can mouse around that. db At this point I don't help anyone who has a Windows machine. It would be Mac to Mac. I've read some of the info and FAQs and looked at some of their demos, but sometimes they are less than specific. Do you think the computers can be using WiFi? I guess if all you need is a browser on the control computer and the software on the controlled computer, the answer is yes. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation
Since you asked I'll give you my take on it. Get the cheapest possible cell phone with a pay as you go plan. Even then you won't use it. It will be another inconveniece in your life. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem
OK, thanks for the confirmation! I've been kind of busy since this morning and was afraid to shut it down or let it go to sleep. TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Jordan wrote: I think I had tried that at one point last night, but in any case, it didn't start it just now when I did it. That suggests that it is probably not a hard drive problem. I don't know if I dreamed it up or read it somewhere but I just held down the start button until the light on the front started flashing, then it let out a long beeep and started! Good. I think that reset the power management unit. That definitely could have caused the problem you describe. I used Disk Utility to verify the internal disk and the external firewire disk and they both check out fine. I had a feeling this was a logic problem, or something other than hard drive. Good. Please suggest what next steps to take to find out what went wrong. What hardware tests? What logs to read? You are done. Nothing more to check. Nothing more to do. It is unlikely you will see this problem again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation
So far I have resisted getting a cell phone for myself. Wife daughters insist on having one, so that I am paying about $150/month for same. Don't want to add on to my plan since it requires another 2-year contract, plus wifey will be constantly calling me for help, for chitchat, and for no reason other than she's bored. (I don't like to talk on any telephone since meaning of words is ambiguous without visual communication.) If you already have a family plan from one of the major cell phone providers, adding a 3rd line for about $10 per month is among the cheaper alternatives. You can get prepaid plans with a $99 or cost for a year, but the cost savings would be minimal. Other prepaid plans like tracfone have low costs upfront but then you either need a yearly plan or have to buy a $99 card good for one year. I suggest if you want no texting that it's relatively easy to accomplish with ATT Verizon, both apparently allow individual lines to have texts blocked or only allow texts from certain individuals/phone lines. As for not wanting to chit-chat, the easy solution is to set the ringer to silent. You can see who called you and call back when it's convenient. Alternatively you can just turn off the phone. The downside to turning off the phone is that in a real emergency, you may miss your wife/kid trying to reach you. With your phone on silent or off, you would have to develop a habit of regularly checking your phone for either voice mail or to see who called. I strongly suggest getting a phone plan which allows nationwide calling without any roaming charges, it can get really expensive if for example you end up in either NC or MD and need to make a call suddenly. International calling is likely irrelevant to you. Tmobile does allow you to buy a card which in effect gives you a phone for a year or until your minutes run out, for that matter so does the Tracfone subsidiary Net10 among others. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
TPiwowar On Aug 23, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Mike wrote: So you know google is lying...how do you know that? The issue is not Google or Apple lying. It is you trying to insert misinformation into the account of what transpired. GV was not rejected by Apple. It was not approved. The two are not the same. slashdot.org has a link to an article on techcrunch(??) discussing the status of the FCC responses. Some were heavily redacted. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Managing senior programmers is like herding cats! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
I have at least as much experience with Apple products as your so-called tech site. There are NO real inside connections with Apple, except where Apple allows. As soon as there are leaks, the leaker[s] is/are fired. Industrial espionage is serious business. I still have a cousin who works for Apple as an engineer. They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. No, but they do have connections inside Google and with iPhone developers. They solidly rebut Apple's version and Michael Arrington, TechCrunch's founder and the story's author, is as fawning over Apple as any first-order MFB. Yes, this is he said, she said. I don't pretend it to be anything else, but I also don't pretend that Apple's version is the handed-down-from-God gospel. I just want to know whom will sell who down the river first, Apple or ATT? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
The MFB set seems to completely ignore this would have never made any news or into the FCC's radar pattern if Apple had actually not rejected the app. There is no story, no reason to inquire. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I have at least as much experience with Apple products as your so-called tech site. There are NO real inside connections with Apple, except where Apple allows. As soon as there are leaks, the leaker[s] is/are fired. Industrial espionage is serious business. I still have a cousin who works for Apple as an engineer. They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. No, but they do have connections inside Google and with iPhone developers. They solidly rebut Apple's version and Michael Arrington, TechCrunch's founder and the story's author, is as fawning over Apple as any first-order MFB. Yes, this is he said, she said. I don't pretend it to be anything else, but I also don't pretend that Apple's version is the handed-down-from-God gospel. I just want to know whom will sell who down the river first, Apple or ATT? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation
At 05:57 PM 8/23/2009 -0400, you wrote: So far I have resisted getting a cell phone for myself. Wife daughters insist on having one, so that I am paying about $150/month for same. Don't want to add on to my plan since it requires another 2-year contract, plus wifey will be constantly calling me for help, for chitchat, and for no reason other than she's bored. (I don't like to talk on any telephone since meaning of words is ambiguous without visual communication.) Heard about prepaid cell phones on this Listserv, asking for recommendations. What I want cell phone for: for travel emergency and, possibly, for travel advice from friends while traveling Estimated monthly useage: 10 minutes/month What I would use: voice telephony What I wouldn't use: text or picture messaging, web browsing, picture taking, anything else. What I don't want: people text messaging me, or calling me to chitchat. What's not important: overseas calling, or long distance except during travel emergency My location: Northern Virginia and DC. Question: is a prepaid cell phone cost effective for me? Cheaper than adding onto a family plan? What prepaid plan is recommended? I've had a TracFone for years. I never have it turned on unless _I_ want to use it. I don't give out the number. For $100/yr you get a year of service and 700 (I think) minutes. Usage minutes are doubled for out-of-area calls. You can buy minutes in many increments--at a lot of gas stations, convenience stores, Walmart, Kmart, etc. I never used my base minutes, so started using them at home for LD calls--until I went with cable phone, and there's no LD charges on that. There are cheaper plans for less amount of time, but then you need to renew the plan more often. I just go into Walmart, pick up the size of card I want, hand it to the clerk, and they do all the renewal process if you ask them to. You need to keep the account active, or you lose your phone number--if that's important. TracFone buys space on towers from most big carriers, and I've never encountered a location where I wasn't able to connect...basically coast to coast. You can add services like text msging if you want--I don't know the cost of that. The basic service doesn't include that, or pictures or web interface. The basic phone is around $20, if I remember. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
And yet still things leak. The leakers have been fired. One of the things that Apple does is to spread a lot of false rumors. When one of those rumors gets out, they know exactly who is responsible and fire them. There's a huge difference between leaks and rumors. The leak about the large touchscreens happened at a supplier in China. Those leakers have also been identified and fired. You see/hear rumors. Nobody outside the company knows exactly what Apple is doing until their insanely great products are released. Which leaks have you heard/seen that aren't simply rumors? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
One of the things that Apple does is to spread a lot of false rumors. Deliberately? I'd question the ethics of a company that did this. I will say rhat any company can have proprietary information. But that isn't the issue. I'll TELL you what I'm doing and planning, I have to. Any publically held company, and AAPL is one, has to play by the same rules. If they play fast and loose, well, I'm not the police. I don't necessarily like them, and they don't like me, but I do respect them. Hard to tell the evil from the good if all the players are on the same field and playing by the same rules. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Logmein
Don't study ... just try it out. It will take 5 mins to set up and a few more to get used to it. Just set up an account at LogMeIn and download the software from there and install it on the two machines and then log on. db Jordan wrote: db wrote: LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool. Web based it takes all the tech out of setting up VNC / remote desktop login etc. The Free version does most of all you want. No SFTP or printing to the controlling computer that you get with Pro. A PC controlling a Mac won't have the command key for key commands but you can mouse around that. db At this point I don't help anyone who has a Windows machine. It would be Mac to Mac. I've read some of the info and FAQs and looked at some of their demos, but sometimes they are less than specific. Do you think the computers can be using WiFi? I guess if all you need is a browser on the control computer and the software on the controlled computer, the answer is yes. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
Eric S. Sande escribió: They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. How do you know? Friends at both NSA and Apple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
One of the things that Apple does is to spread a lot of false rumors. Deliberately? I'd question the ethics of a company that did this. Internally only. Plenty of other companies do the same including ones where I've worked. When a company has a unique product or a special formula, they do a lot internally to keep it secret. That's not unethical when the internal company policy is known to employees, as it is at Apple. Those who deliberately expose company product or RD secrets are taking a known risk, and are themselves the unethical ones. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
