Re: [CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation

2009-08-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:

        The phone is a cheap model. No camera.

  Your phone appears to be a phone, and in thaty respect, it probably
works as well as any other phone.  What it is not includes not being a
camera, video recorder, web browser, GPS device, portable personal
computer, broadcast radio and television receiver and recorder, VHF
marine radio transceiver, police and fire scanner, digital music
keyboard, pedometer, butane lighter, digital thermometer, fashion
accessory and ass wiper.  Note than none of those other functions have
anything at all to do with being a phone.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8

2009-08-29 Thread Tony B
That's pretty vague. What problem exactly? Is there some update the
app needs that you don't have? e.g. I can understand maybe needing a
certain version of the .net framework.

So why, if the problem involves McAfee and Windows Update, did you ask
about updates to Internet Explorer? There's certainly nothing wrong
with updating to IE8 _before_ installing McAfee.

Are you getting some specific error from the installer? Is this a
fresh install or is/was there old security software installed? What
OS?


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Christopher Rangelcms0...@comcast.net wrote:
 I can't install Mcafee Security Suite.  Because, According to a Mcafee
 support technician, who I let take remote control of my computer, he said
 the program won't work correctly, because of a problem with Windows Update.
  I checked my setting for Windows Update and, they are set properly.  I just
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8

2009-08-29 Thread One Man
Please tell me how to hide the update.  It appears everytime I boot up.  
Or, should I just knuckle under and install the update?

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote:

From: Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:48 PM

At 11:03 PM 8/28/2009 -0400, you wrote:
 Has anyone had trouble with Windows Update, when using any of those versions?

The only trouble I'm having is that MS seems to be pushing IE8--even after I've 
declined to install it 3 times now, and have hidden that update.  I don't use 
IE (except for updates), and don't want an update.

I have auto updates set for notifications, but if you use the icon at the 
bottom of the screen, you do not get to see what is downloading.  You do get a 
chance to see what the updates are before you install them.  I suspect I have 
downloaded IE8...maybe even twice, but have not allowed the install.

I'm using XP Home SP3.






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[CGUYS] Apple Lied?

2009-08-29 Thread t.piwowar
MacWorld's extensive coverage of Snow Leopard makes me think Apple  
lied. This upgrade offers many significant improvements. Maybe Apple  
marketing isn't impressed because they want big flashy additions  
(which I'll probably never use). In contrast in Snow Leopard I'm  
seeing lots of things that will be constantly useful to me. I'm happy  
to get all these goodies for just $25 (Amazon's discounted price).


http://www.macworld.com/article/142459/2009/08/snow_leopard.html?lsrc=top_1


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Lied?

2009-08-29 Thread t.piwowar

And...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAb-b88rofw


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Lied?

2009-08-29 Thread Mason Miller

I have been very pleased so far.

Mason

On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM, t.piwowar wrote:

MacWorld's extensive coverage of Snow Leopard makes me think Apple  
lied. This upgrade offers many significant improvements. Maybe Apple  
marketing isn't impressed because they want big flashy additions  
(which I'll probably never use). In contrast in Snow Leopard I'm  
seeing lots of things that will be constantly useful to me. I'm  
happy to get all these goodies for just $25 (Amazon's discounted  
price).


http://www.macworld.com/article/142459/2009/08/snow_leopard.html?lsrc=top_1


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Lied?

2009-08-29 Thread Jordan

t.piwowar wrote:
MacWorld's extensive coverage of Snow Leopard makes me think Apple 
lied. This upgrade offers many significant improvements. Maybe Apple 
marketing isn't impressed because they want big flashy additions 
(which I'll probably never use). In contrast in Snow Leopard I'm 
seeing lots of things that will be constantly useful to me. I'm happy 
to get all these goodies for just $25 (Amazon's discounted price).


http://www.macworld.com/article/142459/2009/08/snow_leopard.html?lsrc=top_1 

I'm very happy to see Apple taking a break from augmenting to focusing 
on refining their already excellent OS.
The PC Mag review of Snow Leopard is pretty extensive and flattering as 
well.
Back during all those early 90s versions of Windows, I wished they would 
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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread Jordan
I've read discussion of what you can update with the $30 version of Snow 
Leopard, but I have a specific question that I'm not sure about and have 
not seen anything written about.
This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got 
it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a 
clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete 
OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow?


Anyone know how that works?
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[CGUYS] NEWS FLASH: Apple adds date to menu bar !!!

2009-08-29 Thread One Man
I lost interest when Dan Frakes began his review with a minor tweak ... *9* 
years in the making -- viewing the date in the menu bar.  Come on.  How 
difficult is it to click on the time for the pull-down menu of the date???  
Doesn't Steve Jobs have better things to do with his programmers' time?

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

From: t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Apple Lied?
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 10:37 AM

And...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAb-b88rofw


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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread mike
I just read in one of the reviews that you can do a full install with this
update dvd.  One of the advantages of your business being hardware, it makes
the licensing of the software much less strict.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've read discussion of what you can update with the $30 version of Snow
 Leopard, but I have a specific question that I'm not sure about and have not
 seen anything written about.
 This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got
 it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean
 custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or
 would I have to install Leopard and then Snow?

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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread t.piwowar

On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote:
This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I  
got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive  
with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a  
complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow?


The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard,  
or some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if  
you show it an older OS on an external drive and will then install a  
clean OS on the internal drive.



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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8

2009-08-29 Thread John Emmerling
I'd be curious to know what the concern is regarding IE8 as opposed to
anything else MS wants to install.  Just because I have had it for a while,
and was not aware of any unusual risk.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:43 AM, One Man one911...@yahoo.com wrote:

 etc.
 The only trouble I'm having is that MS seems to be pushing IE8--even after
 I've declined to install it 3 times now, and have hidden that update.  I
 don't use IE (except for updates), and don't want an update.

 I have auto updates set for notifications, but if you use the icon at the
 bottom of the screen, you do not get to see what is downloading.  You do get
 a chance to see what the updates are before you install them.  I suspect I
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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread mike
*However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full
and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a
unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues
to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not
require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow
Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for
the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a
later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you
won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard
upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing
with relief.)*


That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it, just
linked it since it was from a known MFB site.  Seems they are saying, no
indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me.  Unless I'm reading it
wrong.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote:

 This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got
 it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean
 custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or
 would I have to install Leopard and then Snow?


 The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or
 some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show
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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread mike
...you do not need leopard to install to snow cat rather.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

 *However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full
 and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a
 unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues
 to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not
 require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow
 Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for
 the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a
 later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you
 won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard
 upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing
 with relief.)*


 That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it,
 just linked it since it was from a known MFB site.  Seems they are saying,
 no indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me.  Unless I'm reading it
 wrong.


 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote:

 This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got
 it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean
 custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or
 would I have to install Leopard and then Snow?


 The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or
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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-29 Thread Stephen Brownfield
It is an IntelliKeys  USB keyboard. 
(http://store.cambiumlearning.com/ProgramPage.aspx?parentId=074003405functionID=00908site=itc) 

It was originally designed school aged students with disabilities, but 
it also is great for adults who have trouble using a standard keyboard.  
I have been using them with adults with disabilities for over 10 years.


Steve


Mark A. Metz wrote:

What make/model of keyboard?

Jeff Wright wrote:

A client of mine got the 64-bit version of Windows Vista on his new
computer and was no longer able to use his adaptive Keyboard (which by
itself costs $395).  I went to the website today and it still does not
have 64-bit version.



You'd think for a $400 peripheral, he would have made that simple 
check at

the mfr's web site before committing to 64-bit.

I agree, he shouldn't have to, but that's the reality right now.

Can any of our developers enlighten us as to how hard it is to port a 
driver

from 32-bit to 64-bit, all other things being equal?


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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

You do not know of any  mouse like this do you?

A friend of mine with CP uses an Easy Ball (An old product) from MS 
and it only has one mouse button instead of two, plus I think it is serial.


Stewart


At 01:12 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:
It is an IntelliKeys  USB keyboard. 
(http://store.cambiumlearning.com/ProgramPage.aspx?parentId=074003405functionID=00908site=itc) 

It was originally designed school aged students with disabilities, 
but it also is great for adults who have trouble using a standard keyboard.

I have been using them with adults with disabilities for over 10 years.

Steve


Mark A. Metz wrote:

What make/model of keyboard?

Jeff Wright wrote:

A client of mine got the 64-bit version of Windows Vista on his new
computer and was no longer able to use his adaptive Keyboard (which by
itself costs $395).  I went to the website today and it still does not
have 64-bit version.



You'd think for a $400 peripheral, he would have made that simple check at
the mfr's web site before committing to 64-bit.

I agree, he shouldn't have to, but that's the reality right now.

Can any of our developers enlighten us as to how hard it is to port a driver
from 32-bit to 64-bit, all other things being equal?


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8

2009-08-29 Thread Tony B
IE8 is considered an important security update. Install it. You may
think you don't use it, but you might use parts of it when running
other apps (e.g. Steam requires IE8 for previews).


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Re: [CGUYS] NEWS FLASH: Apple adds date to menu bar !!!

2009-08-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, One Manone911...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I lost interest when Dan Frakes began his review with a minor tweak ... *9* 
 years in the making -- viewing the date in the menu bar.  Come on.  How 
 difficult is it to click on the time for the pull-down menu of the date???

  I agree.  The date in the month is typically the last thing I need
to find out, and you can also quickly open the dashboard calendar
which, if I am not mistaken, is already activated upon installation of
the OS.

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[CGUYS] Apple's Answer to Laptop Hunters

2009-08-29 Thread TPiwowar

As usual, a hoot!

http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac/getamac/2009/apple-mvp- 
top_of_the_line-us-20090824_480x272.mov


When you are ready to compromise, you call me.


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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote:
Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only  
does Snow Leopard not

require the entry of any serial numbers...


We leave the thieving, lying,  cheating to our WFBs.

Have you seen the latest ad/demo of Mac's moral superiority?

http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac/getamac/2009/apple-mvp-surprise- 
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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread db

Apple relies on the honor system?

There seems to be a discrepancy in this string ... 

Can you just buy or borrow someone else's Snow Leopard and install it on 
any Mac or what?


db

mike wrote:

*However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full
and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a
unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues
to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not
require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow
Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for
the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a
later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you
won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard
upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing
with relief.)*


That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it, just
linked it since it was from a known MFB site.  Seems they are saying, no
indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me.  Unless I'm reading it
wrong.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

  

On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote:



This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got
it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean
custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or
would I have to install Leopard and then Snow?

  

The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or
some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show
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Re: [CGUYS] NEWS FLASH: Apple adds date to menu bar !!!

2009-08-29 Thread Jordan

phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, One Manone911...@yahoo.com wrote:

  

I lost interest when Dan Frakes began his review with a minor tweak ... *9* years 
in the making -- viewing the date in the menu bar.  Come on.  How difficult is it 
to click on the time for the pull-down menu of the date???



  I agree.  The date in the month is typically the last thing I need
to find out, and you can also quickly open the dashboard calendar
which, if I am not mistaken, is already activated upon installation of
the OS.
  
OK, so this is not of interest to you guys, but in Leopard, and I 
believe in Tiger, you've been able to display the day and month in the 
menu bar using the settings found in System 
Preferences-International-Formats for some time. You might have to mess 
with it to figure it out. But it works.



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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8

2009-08-29 Thread Christopher Range

Tony B wrote:

That's pretty vague. What problem exactly? Is there some update the app needs 
that you don't have? e.g. I can understand maybe needing a certain version of 
the .net framework.
  
That would seem logical.  But, I haven't received any notices about an 
update, apart from IE8.

So why, if the problem involves McAfee and Windows Update, did you ask about 
updates to Internet Explorer? There's certainly nothing wrong with updating to 
IE8 _before_ installing McAfee.
  
I asked about IE8 because, I found several people on the Net, who had 
trouble with Windows Update after IE5.

Are you getting some specific error from the installer? Is this a fresh install 
or is/was there old security software installed? What OS?
I keep getting installation failure notices.  The software is direct 
from Comcast's website.  Where, The have Mcafee Security Suite($120 
value) free for all Comcast customers.  My OS is XP Pro SP2.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8

2009-08-29 Thread Christopher Range

John Emmerling wrote:

I'd be curious to know what the concern is regarding IE8 as opposed to
anything else MS wants to install.  Just because I have had it for a while,
and was not aware of any unusual risk.
Then, The supposed problem regarding Windows Update, starting with IE5 
hasn't affected you.  I am glad it hasn't affected you.


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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread mike
Again Tom misses the point completely.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote:

 Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does
 Snow Leopard not
 require the entry of any serial numbers...


 We leave the thieving, lying,  cheating to our WFBs.

 Have you seen the latest ad/demo of Mac's moral superiority?

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Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 29 Aug 2009 - Special issue (#2009-815)

2009-08-29 Thread David K Watson

Yes you can, at least on an intel mac running Leopard, and I'm
not so sure you even need Leopard.  The OS has no serial
numbers or activation keys.  This has always been the case
for OS X as far as I can remember.  Most Mac users are honest
and buy the extra licenses, and Apple makes it easy for them
to do this by making the cost of a family pack only a little bit
more than a single user license.  Remember, Apple is primarily
a hardware company and the software is an inducement.
Besides, Apple probably saves more money than they lose to
piracy by not having to have a big licensing infrastructure
and by reducing the number of support issues for problems
in older OS versions that are fixed in the newer OS.


On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:03 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system  
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From:db db...@att.net
Subject: Re: Snow Leopard Review

Apple relies on the honor system?

There seems to be a discrepancy in this string ...

Can you just buy or borrow someone else's Snow Leopard and install  
it on

any Mac or what?

db




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[CGUYS] Downloading and playing internet media

2009-08-29 Thread Terry Kilburg
I have vista basic and have a dialup connection. Until recently, i have been 
able to download and listen to youtube music videos and there is a long audio 
on a webpage that cuts off the same way. What happens is...i start downloading 
the media and it stops a little way into it. Youtube videos download and play 
for 34 seconds. They all play fine up to that point. I have listen to this yt 
video before and all went fine.

Nothing new was installed...just vista and adobe updates



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Lied?

2009-08-29 Thread David K Watson

(sorry for forgetting to fix the subject line in the previous post)

Well, I'm certainly happy so far.  Everything I use works in the 32 bit
kernel although EyeTV has a few issues and Office 2004 and some
older games still need Rosetta to be installed.  In the 64 bit kernel,
EyeTV and Parallels don't work and Mathematica prompted me for
my serial number but worked properly after that.  In either kernel,
just about everything is smoother, faster, better.  Quicklook works
for still more file types including FLV.  I especially like that in  
Safari

the Flash plugin runs as a separate process so it can't take down
the browser.  Also, I can quit the flash plugin process in Activity
Monitor if I don't like how much CPU it is using or if I am getting
annoyed by flash ads (like the particularly annoying ones that
expand to cover the top of the article if you happen to mouse
over them and then have to be manually dismissed in order to
read the article).

On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:45 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system  
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From:t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com

MacWorld's extensive coverage of Snow Leopard makes me think Apple
lied. This upgrade offers many significant improvements. Maybe Apple
marketing isn't impressed because they want big flashy additions
(which I'll probably never use). In contrast in Snow Leopard I'm
seeing lots of things that will be constantly useful to me. I'm happy
to get all these goodies for just $25 (Amazon's discounted price).

http://www.macworld.com/article/142459/2009/08/snow_leopard.html?lsrc=top_1




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Re: [CGUYS] Downloading and playing internet media

2009-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

It sounds like the modem initialization strung might have been altered.

See if there is an update for your modem software.

This might fix the problem.

Stewart


At 05:45 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:
I have vista basic and have a dialup connection. Until recently, i 
have been able to download and listen to youtube music videos and 
there is a long audio on a webpage that cuts off the same way. What 
happens is...i start downloading the media and it stops a little way 
into it. Youtube videos download and play for 34 seconds. They all 
play fine up to that point. I have listen to this yt video before 
and all went fine.


Nothing new was installed...just vista and adobe updates



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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-29 Thread Stephen Brownfield

Stewart,
My preference has been the Kensington Expert Mouse 
trackball.  It has 4 buttons that be programmed.  I think it is great 
for people with CP.  The ball is about the size of a cue ball. You can 
set them for different or the same functions.  I like setting one for 
click,  one for double click and one for drag, but you can set them for 
a number of functions or for no function if you so choose.   I hope this 
helps.


Steve


Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

You do not know of any  mouse like this do you?

A friend of mine with CP uses an Easy Ball (An old product) from MS 
and it only has one mouse button instead of two, plus I think it is 
serial.


Stewart


At 01:12 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:
It is an IntelliKeys  USB keyboard. 
(http://store.cambiumlearning.com/ProgramPage.aspx?parentId=074003405functionID=00908site=itc) 

It was originally designed school aged students with disabilities, 
but it also is great for adults who have trouble using a standard 
keyboard.

I have been using them with adults with disabilities for over 10 years.

Steve



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Lied?

2009-08-29 Thread Jordan

David K Watson wrote:

(sorry for forgetting to fix the subject line in the previous post)

Well, I'm certainly happy so far.  Everything I use works in the 32 bit
kernel although EyeTV has a few issues and Office 2004 and some
older games still need Rosetta to be installed.  In the 64 bit kernel,
EyeTV and Parallels don't work and Mathematica prompted me for
my serial number but worked properly after that.  In either kernel,
just about everything is smoother, faster, better.  Quicklook works
for still more file types including FLV.  I especially like that in 
Safari

the Flash plugin runs as a separate process so it can't take down
the browser.  Also, I can quit the flash plugin process in Activity
Monitor if I don't like how much CPU it is using or if I am getting
annoyed by flash ads (like the particularly annoying ones that
expand to cover the top of the article if you happen to mouse
over them and then have to be manually dismissed in order to
read the article).

Ahh, thanks for the comments.
Can you be specific about the issues with EyeTV.
I guess there aren't many of us using EyeTV but I'd be interested if 
EyeTV updates or OS updates fix the issues you are seeing.



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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Update i.e. IE 6, 7, 8

2009-08-29 Thread Tony B
Oddly, that brings back memories. As I recall, I couldn't install that
one either. Seemed like a good deal, though I bet they would start
charging for updates after a bit.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Christopher Rangelcms0...@comcast.net wrote:
 I keep getting installation failure notices.  The software is direct from
 Comcast's website.  Where, The have Mcafee Security Suite($120 value) free
 for all Comcast customers.  My OS is XP Pro SP2.


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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:54 PM, db db...@att.net wrote:

 Apple relies on the honor system?

 There seems to be a discrepancy in this string ...
 Can you just buy or borrow someone else's Snow Leopard and install it on
 any Mac or what?


Any Intel Mac.  I've heard the argument that Apple would prefer everyone to
be current to making tons of money on the software upgrade.

-- 
John Duncan Yoyo
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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

It is called a forced Hardware Upgrade

This happens with MS releases also, although they do go further back 
than Apple does.


I still have an old laptop that I could not install ME on as it was 
not a fast enough processor  (I am not sure it would even install 98SE.)


I have a couple of machines at home that will not take 7 as they are 
below the 1 GB processor threshold.


Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it 
makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware 
was never designed for it to begin with.


Stewart


At 09:33 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:

Any Intel Mac.  I've heard the argument that Apple would prefer everyone to
be current to making tons of money on the software upgrade.

--
John Duncan Yoyo


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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

You know your life is pretty boring when you start comparing it to a Dog's.

Stewart


At 10:31 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote:
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.


Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

--Mark Twain


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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it 
makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware was 
never designed for it to begin with.


Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.

Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

--Mark Twain


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