Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[John Settle]

On 3/4/2010 10:05 AM, Tony B wrote:

That's a bit of a reach considering these were free laptops handed out with
specific instructions leading one to know the cams could be used at any
time. I don't recall anything like that happening during Jim Crow.

You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it
came with strings attached.



FREE? Where the heck did you get that idea? The tax payers taxes in the 
school district footed the bill for those laptops. That logic is like 
saying after the  Interstate 35 West bridge crumbled into the 
Mississippi River, killing 13 and injuring 140 people; "Hey, that's what 
you get for using that FREE bridge and Highway with strins attached."



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Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

[Michael Fernando]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, t.piwowar wrote:

> The following was suggested to me for a cron job to delete old emails
> from a spam folder. I don't completely understand the syntax at the
> end of the line.
>
> find /home/user/mail/domain/email/.spam -type f +mtime 30 -exec rm -f '{}'
\;
>
>
> should not "+mtime 30" be "-mtime +30"

Yes, it should be -mtime
  30 if you want exactly 30 days
  +30 for 30 days and older
  -30 for 30 days and younger


> What does "'{}'" (quote lbrace rbrace quote) mean?

You can skip the single quotes.  {} means substitute what the find
command found in earlier part, into the -exec section.


> What does the "\" at the end mean?

\; is the end of your -exec option.  So, you could have another
option after that (ie: ... -exec rm -f {} \; -print)

However, this is a dangerous command.  Run the following first to
see what it does.  If you like the output, run it with 'rm -f'
instead of 'ls -l'

   find /some/path -type f -mtime +30 -exec ls -l {} \;


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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Art Clemons  wrote:

> Once again, we aren't sure what really happened.  We also know that the
> District claims that only laptops reported missing or stolen were
> activated ala the claims in the following URL:
>
> http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/86444922.html

  Well, according to that very article, the computer camera was
activated in the Robbins case for a reason other than specified by the
school system.  According to the school system, the camera in that
case was turned on because a $55 insurance fee had not been paid.  It
seems to me that an alleged failure to pay a school fee does not
comport with the requirements to only activate those cameras in cases
of lost, stolen or misplaced laptops.  That single event proves that
the school system did limit their spying to only certain specified
incidents as had been previously stated.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

The base alienware is a great game machine.  They were known for some 
really awesome gaming machines a number of years ago.  One of the 
reasons Dell bought them.  TO get its foot into the gaming machine end.


Of course true gamers still build their own.

My son was looking at Alienware machines as he gets a bonus this year 
from the military.


Stewart


At 06:53 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

Alienware starts at 800...goes up from there.

Like most things, that 1200 dollar 'pro' macbook is quite paltry.  1200 for
Alienware gets you quite a bit more hardware.



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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

Not to mention doubling your ram costs double for Apple than for the
Alienware laptop.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:53 PM, mike  wrote:

> Alienware starts at 800...goes up from there.
>
> Like most things, that 1200 dollar 'pro' macbook is quite paltry.  1200 for
> Alienware gets you quite a bit more hardware.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:26 PM, tjpa  wrote:
>
>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Robert Carroll wrote:
>>
>>> I looked at the Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as
>>> expensive as the Mac.  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.
>>>
>>
>> Where do you get that? Apple laptops start at $999. Pro line starts at
>> $1199.
>>
>> I see Windows laptops going for $100
>> http://www.google.com/products?q=laptop&scoring=p&lnk=pruser&price1=99
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

Alienware starts at 800...goes up from there.

Like most things, that 1200 dollar 'pro' macbook is quite paltry.  1200 for
Alienware gets you quite a bit more hardware.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:26 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Robert Carroll wrote:
>
>> I looked at the Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as
>> expensive as the Mac.  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.
>>
>
> Where do you get that? Apple laptops start at $999. Pro line starts at
> $1199.
>
> I see Windows laptops going for $100
> http://www.google.com/products?q=laptop&scoring=p&lnk=pruser&price1=99
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[tjpa]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Robert Carroll wrote:
I looked at the Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as  
expensive as the Mac.  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.


Where do you get that? Apple laptops start at $999. Pro line starts at  
$1199.


I see Windows laptops going for $100
http://www.google.com/products?q=laptop&scoring=p&lnk=pruser&price1=99


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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

It was supposed to be their slimmer, sleeker business line.  Like I 
said not really interested as it is way out of my price range.


Stewart

At 05:28 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

Out long enough to drop in price actually.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Yup.  Is it out now?
>
> I don't keep track as it is way out of my price range.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> At 04:58 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
>
>> Adamo is the top business class I suppose...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
>> popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > The Alienware computers are considered top of the line gaming laptops.
>> >
>> > The Inspiron is the entry level consumer laptop.
>> >
>> > Next comes their Studio line and at the top is the Alienware (who they
>> > bought by the way.)
>> >
>> > In the business end is the Vostro and the Latitude.
>> >
>> > Stewart
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 04:27 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
>> >
>> >  Maybe I am expecting to get a laptop too cheaply.  I looked at the
>> >> Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as expensive as the
>> Mac.
>> >>  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Judy Cosler]

ASUS if you don't have Num Lock on.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Michael S. Altus  wrote:

> I chose Toshiba because it had the delete key on the lower part of the
> keyboard, unlike other brands, which have the delete key on the upper
> right. Now
> I understand that Toshiba has exiled the delete key to the upper right.
>
> Anybody know of a laptop brand with the delete key down under?
>
> (While I'm at it, why do digests omit subject lines between posts?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

Out long enough to drop in price actually.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Yup.  Is it out now?
>
> I don't keep track as it is way out of my price range.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> At 04:58 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
>
>> Adamo is the top business class I suppose...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
>> popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > The Alienware computers are considered top of the line gaming laptops.
>> >
>> > The Inspiron is the entry level consumer laptop.
>> >
>> > Next comes their Studio line and at the top is the Alienware (who they
>> > bought by the way.)
>> >
>> > In the business end is the Vostro and the Latitude.
>> >
>> > Stewart
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 04:27 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
>> >
>> >  Maybe I am expecting to get a laptop too cheaply.  I looked at the
>> >> Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as expensive as the
>> Mac.
>> >>  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Yup.  Is it out now?

I don't keep track as it is way out of my price range.

Stewart


At 04:58 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

Adamo is the top business class I suppose...

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> The Alienware computers are considered top of the line gaming laptops.
>
> The Inspiron is the entry level consumer laptop.
>
> Next comes their Studio line and at the top is the Alienware (who they
> bought by the way.)
>
> In the business end is the Vostro and the Latitude.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
>
>  Maybe I am expecting to get a laptop too cheaply.  I looked at the
>> Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as expensive as the Mac.
>>  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

Adamo is the top business class I suppose...

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> The Alienware computers are considered top of the line gaming laptops.
>
> The Inspiron is the entry level consumer laptop.
>
> Next comes their Studio line and at the top is the Alienware (who they
> bought by the way.)
>
> In the business end is the Vostro and the Latitude.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
>
>  Maybe I am expecting to get a laptop too cheaply.  I looked at the
>> Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as expensive as the Mac.
>>  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.
>>
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

The Alienware computers are considered top of the line gaming laptops.

The Inspiron is the entry level consumer laptop.

Next comes their Studio line and at the top is the Alienware (who 
they bought by the way.)


In the business end is the Vostro and the Latitude.

Stewart


At 04:27 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

Maybe I am expecting to get a laptop too cheaply.  I looked at the 
Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as expensive as the 
Mac.  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

Alienware is Dell's gaming line.  Yer gonna pay for it.

You could also check with cyberpower, they have their own line of laptops
and seem to get good reviews, their prices are reasonable.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Robert Carroll wrote:

> betty wrote:
>
>> Dell notebooks are heavy and clunky, but not too bad. Toshiba makes
>> excellent notebooks. If I were buying a Dell, I'd get the new Alien
>> notebook. Alien finally has a smaller, still powerful notebook for a
>> reasonable price. Apple also makes excellent PC notebooks, in case you
>> forgot that they run both Windows and Mac OS X natively.
>>
>> The weight of the Dells won't matter as long as you don't plan to carry
>> one around. Sony makes computers, so I hear, but I've owned a lot of Sony
>> products and the only one that didn't die before its time was the Trinitron
>> CRT display--never again.
>>
>
> Maybe I am expecting to get a laptop too cheaply.  I looked at the
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>  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

I'd really advise you get hands on with a laptop before you purchase, one
mans cheap is another mans bargain.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Robert Carroll wrote:

> Please advise:  what is too cheap?  Is the Dell Inspiron priced at $659 too
> cheap?
>
>
>
> Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
>
>> You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
>> computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even cheaper.
>> Don't be so cheap, though, that you buy junk and ask us a barrage of
>> questions when things break.  I am not inclined to advise someone who
>> says they are cheap to buy a decent computer, but portable computers
>> need to take more stress than a desktop, so caveat emptor!
>>
>> Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-
>> This listserv is so oriented towards social issues, I am almost afraid to
>> ask a computer question.  But, here goes:
>>
>> I have always had a PC with Windows, if I exclude the Apple IIe computer.
>>  I have never owned or used a laptop, only a desktop.  I think
>>
>> now that I need to buy a laptop because wife has decided to use the
>> desktop many hours a day for her new-found hobby of photography:  this
>> leaves me without access to a computer, particularly the internet or other
>> simple tasks.  If I get a laptop I will need a simple & cheap one only since
>> wife goes to sleep early, thereby freeing the desktop
>> computer.
>>
>> Starting with the Dell web site, I find that a laptop with:
>>
>> Processor  Intel TM 6600 Duo, 2.2 GHz, 800 MHz bus, 2 MB cache
>> Memory 4GB 800 MHz RAM
>> 500 GB 5400 RPM hard drive
>> 6-cell battery
>> Intel Link 5100 "N" wireless modem
>> 8X CD/DVD burner (dual layer)
>>
>> costs $659 before shipping.
>>
>> Questions:
>> Is this laptop a good choice? Is it a good price?  Are there other brands
>> or options that I ought to consider?  Specially: I want good performance at
>> the cheapest price.  I am very stingy by nature!
>>
>> ===
>>
>> P.S.  Please don't say to buy a Mac laptop instead of a Windows machine.
>>  I bought my daughter a MacBook Pro and she likes it very well,
>>
>> but I am more comfortable with a Windows OS because I already have a large
>> number of Windows programs that I can install on a laptop, plus I don't want
>> to start a new personal learning curve to use the Mac -- i.e., sharing data
>> between computer might be hard -- and I want to go cheap(!!) to buy a
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

I am not sure but I think he considers any Windows machine cheap as 
it is not a Mac.


I do not want to assume anything though.

Stewart


At 04:22 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
Please advise:  what is too cheap?  Is the Dell Inspiron priced at 
$659 too cheap?



Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:

You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even cheaper.
Don't be so cheap, though, that you buy junk and ask us a barrage of
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Vostro and Latitude are considered business laptops and are under the 
small business section.


Stewart


At 04:18 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

I have had good luck with Dell laptops.

But I stick with the Vostro or Latitude series.

Had an Compaq this summer.  Not bad.

Stewart

Am I correct in thinking that these Dell series are no longer being made?

The Dell website shows Inspiron, Studio, Studio XPS, Alienware, and Adamo.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Robert Carroll]

betty wrote:
Dell notebooks are heavy and clunky, but not too bad. Toshiba makes 
excellent notebooks. If I were buying a Dell, I'd get the new Alien 
notebook. Alien finally has a smaller, still powerful notebook for a 
reasonable price. Apple also makes excellent PC notebooks, in case you 
forgot that they run both Windows and Mac OS X natively.


The weight of the Dells won't matter as long as you don't plan to 
carry one around. Sony makes computers, so I hear, but I've owned a 
lot of Sony products and the only one that didn't die before its time 
was the Trinitron CRT display--never again.


Maybe I am expecting to get a laptop too cheaply.  I looked at the 
Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as expensive as the 
Mac.  Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800.



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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Robert Carroll]

Please advise:  what is too cheap?  Is the Dell Inspiron priced at $659 
too cheap?



Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:

You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even cheaper.
Don't be so cheap, though, that you buy junk and ask us a barrage of
questions when things break.  I am not inclined to advise someone who
says they are cheap to buy a decent computer, but portable computers
need to take more stress than a desktop, so caveat emptor!

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 
-Original Message-
This listserv is so oriented towards social issues, I am almost afraid 
to ask a computer question.  But, here goes:


I have always had a PC with Windows, if I exclude the Apple IIe 
computer.  I have never owned or used a laptop, only a desktop.  I think


now that I need to buy a laptop because wife has decided to use the 
desktop many hours a day for her new-found hobby of photography:  this 
leaves me without access to a computer, particularly the internet or 
other simple tasks.  If I get a laptop I will need a simple & cheap one 
only since wife goes to sleep early, thereby freeing the desktop

computer.

Starting with the Dell web site, I find that a laptop with:

Processor  Intel TM 6600 Duo, 2.2 GHz, 800 MHz bus, 2 MB cache
Memory 4GB 800 MHz RAM
500 GB 5400 RPM hard drive
6-cell battery
Intel Link 5100 "N" wireless modem
8X CD/DVD burner (dual layer)

costs $659 before shipping.

Questions: 

Is this laptop a good choice? Is it a good price?  Are there other 
brands or options that I ought to consider?  Specially: I want good 
performance at the cheapest price.  I am very stingy by nature!


===

P.S.  Please don't say to buy a Mac laptop instead of a Windows 
machine.  I bought my daughter a MacBook Pro and she likes it very well,


but I am more comfortable with a Windows OS because I already have a 
large number of Windows programs that I can install on a laptop, plus I 
don't want to start a new personal learning curve to use the Mac -- 
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Robert Carroll]

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

I have had good luck with Dell laptops.

But I stick with the Vostro or Latitude series.

Had an Compaq this summer.  Not bad.

Stewart


Am I correct in thinking that these Dell series are no longer being made?

The Dell website shows Inspiron, Studio, Studio XPS, Alienware, and Adamo.


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Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

[tjpa]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Michael Fernando wrote:

However, this is a dangerous command.  Run the following first to
see what it does.  If you like the output, run it with 'rm -f'
instead of 'ls -l'


Good advice that is.

Thanks JE and MF. I feel in control now.


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Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

[mike]

So now you are saying they OK'd apps, then months later decided they were
'buggy and infested'...where are you getting this?

I'll get rid of my Apple stuff right away since you say Apple is buggy and
infested...good tip!

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> Maybe Apple could not approve apps if they seemingly violate some hidden
>> law?  Apple knew what this app did when they approved it, they can keep
>> playing games with developers and users, but eventually I would think all
>> but the die hard MFB's like yourself are going to tire of it and jailbreak
>> their iphones or move to another platform.
>>
>
> You want Apple products to be like the junk you use: buggy and infested.
>
> That is not going to happen.
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Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

[tjpa]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, mike wrote:
Maybe Apple could not approve apps if they seemingly violate some  
hidden
law?  Apple knew what this app did when they approved it, they can  
keep
playing games with developers and users, but eventually I would  
think all
but the die hard MFB's like yourself are going to tire of it and  
jailbreak

their iphones or move to another platform.


You want Apple products to be like the junk you use: buggy and infested.

That is not going to happen.


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Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

[Michael Fernando]

On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, t.piwowar wrote:

> The following was suggested to me for a cron job to delete old emails
> from a spam folder. I don't completely understand the syntax at the
> end of the line.
>
> find /home/user/mail/domain/email/.spam -type f +mtime 30 -exec rm -f '{}'
\;
>
>
> should not "+mtime 30" be "-mtime +30"

Yes, it should be -mtime
  30 if you want exactly 30 days
  +30 for 30 days and older
  -30 for 30 days and younger



> What does "'{}'" (quote lbrace rbrace quote) mean?

You can skip the single quotes.  {} means substitute what the find
command found in earlier part, into the -exec section.



> What does the "\" at the end mean?

\; is the end of your -exec option.  So, you could have another
option after that (ie: ... -exec rm -f {} \; -print)

However, this is a dangerous command.  Run the following first to
see what it does.  If you like the output, run it with 'rm -f'
instead of 'ls -l'

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Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)]

Apple also just revamped its Mac developer program, modeling it on the
iPhone developer program, cutting the cost from $500/year to $99/year.
I don't think Apple has alienated many developers, Mike!

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 
-Original Message-
On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote:
> *Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers,  
> or apps
> that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location...
> If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is  
> creating.

Removed for good reason. Nor did Apple remove all apps that provide  
this function. Apple did remove several apps after it discovered that  
these apps were accessing the iPhone's hardware in a way that Apple  
had prohibited. Developers who don't want to play by Apple's rules  
will find that there can be consequences.

If the iPhone owner does not want to participate in Apple's protective  
cocoon all they have to do is jailbreak their iPhone. Similarly  
developers can sell their apps to the jail broken iPhones through non- 
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Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

[mike]

You remind me of Adam Sandler in the water boy.

Maybe Apple could not approve apps if they seemingly violate some hidden
law?  Apple knew what this app did when they approved it, they can keep
playing games with developers and users, but eventually I would think all
but the die hard MFB's like yourself are going to tire of it and jailbreak
their iphones or move to another platform.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:46 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote:
>
>> *Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or
>> apps
>> that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location...
>>
>> If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is
>> creating.
>>
>
> Removed for good reason. Nor did Apple remove all apps that provide this
> function. Apple did remove several apps after it discovered that these apps
> were accessing the iPhone's hardware in a way that Apple had prohibited.
> Developers who don't want to play by Apple's rules will find that there can
> be consequences.
>
> If the iPhone owner does not want to participate in Apple's protective
> cocoon all they have to do is jailbreak their iPhone. Similarly developers
> can sell their apps to the jail broken iPhones through non-Apple channels.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

[tjpa]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:15 AM, mike wrote:
The average net worth of Senators is about 9 million, not exactly  
average joes.


But the more significant median is about $890,000 (for Senators and  
Reps in 2008). Anyone who owns a house in the metro DC area is  
probably worth more than that. So at least half of them probably can  
claim to be average Joes.


To prove your point you would also have to net out those who were  
already rich when they first got elected. Many of them were.


http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.php?type=W&year=2008


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Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

[tjpa]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote:
*Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers,  
or apps

that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location...
If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is  
creating.


Removed for good reason. Nor did Apple remove all apps that provide  
this function. Apple did remove several apps after it discovered that  
these apps were accessing the iPhone's hardware in a way that Apple  
had prohibited. Developers who don't want to play by Apple's rules  
will find that there can be consequences.


If the iPhone owner does not want to participate in Apple's protective  
cocoon all they have to do is jailbreak their iPhone. Similarly  
developers can sell their apps to the jail broken iPhones through non- 
Apple channels.


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Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)]

Apple is cleaning out Apps that "provide little or no functionality"
(their words, including an app that makes the iPhone quack like a duck,
make fart sounds and so on.  So, I'd be one peeved developer if I saw my
fart App removed!

Not sure why you say it is for no reason.  They have so many apps, that
periodic culling is probably necessary.

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 
-Original Message-
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10464021-37.html

*Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or
apps
that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location. According to
a
story on Cult of
Mac,
apps removed by Apple include WiFi-Where, WiFiFoFum, and yFy Network
Finder.
*

If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is
creating.  Spending weeks or months developing an app, not knowing if it
will be approved with Apple's moving target of rules.  Then getting it
approved only to find out weeks or months later Apple removes it without
reason.  Of course with the kind of market share (read MS size market
share)
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[CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

[mike]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10464021-37.html

*Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or apps
that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location. According to a
story on Cult of
Mac,
apps removed by Apple include WiFi-Where, WiFiFoFum, and yFy Network Finder.
*

If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is
creating.  Spending weeks or months developing an app, not knowing if it
will be approved with Apple's moving target of rules.  Then getting it
approved only to find out weeks or months later Apple removes it without
reason.  Of course with the kind of market share (read MS size market share)
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Stewart Marshall]

My wife likes her laptop as she can take it on trips and do her 
thing, and I like cause she does not ask to use my laptop while we travel.


Stewart


At 11:16 AM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

Right, I understand that.  She only used the laptop because she could use it
at the kitchen table and put it away when she was done...getting rid of her
desk altogether.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote:

> It seems you found the best solution for your needs. But some folks like to
> use the same machine, for both home use and travel. With speeds, memory
> sizes and HD sizes on laptops these days, they rival what desktops had just
> a few years ago.
>
> mike wrote:
>
>> That came up in our discussion on what we would do about her laptop.  The
>> cost of just building a solid system, I already had the
>> case/keyboard/mouse/hard drives, and getting some kind of dock was not
>> much
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

Right, I understand that.  She only used the laptop because she could use it
at the kitchen table and put it away when she was done...getting rid of her
desk altogether.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote:

> It seems you found the best solution for your needs. But some folks like to
> use the same machine, for both home use and travel. With speeds, memory
> sizes and HD sizes on laptops these days, they rival what desktops had just
> a few years ago.
>
> mike wrote:
>
>> That came up in our discussion on what we would do about her laptop.  The
>> cost of just building a solid system, I already had the
>> case/keyboard/mouse/hard drives, and getting some kind of dock was not
>> much
>> different.  Decided on the little tower instead.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Steve at Verizon > >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm sure you and many readers here know about this, but most model
>>> laptops
>>> can plug in to a docking station, so that you can easily use a larger
>>> monitor and full keyboard and mouse of choice. Also externally attached
>>> HDs.
>>>
>>>
>>> mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to
 get
 rid of a desk in our home and make some more room.  After about 8 months
 she
 just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full
 size
 (numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use.  I
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Stewart Marshall]

I have three machines that I actively use.

I have a desktop at home.  Built out the way I like it.  1.25 TB hard 
drive, Dual core, DBD burner, DVD Rom, Firewire etc.  Nice case, it 
is a powerhouse for me.


I have a work laptop.  (Provided by me) it is a dockable Dell 
Latitude AMD dual core 15.4 screen.  I have a dock at work, with 
keyboard, monitor etc.  (hoping to upgrade to a flat panel shortly)


Then I have a HP netbook.  The net book is my email, web browser when 
I do not want to sit in front of the big machine, machine.  When I 
fly it is nice not to have take a big laptop with me.  It is powerful 
enough to run Word processors etc.  I can watch movies on it and it 
has a 6 hour battery life.


Each serves it purpose.

I bought my wife a desktop years ago as I kept loosing mine to 
her.  About 4 years ago I got her a laptop.  She works very well on 
the laptop.  First one was a cheap Compaq.  Never again.  The last 
one is a Dell Vostro and it is very good so far.


Stewart


At 10:24 AM 3/5/2010, you wrote:
It seems you found the best solution for your needs. But some folks 
like to use the same machine, for both home use and travel. With 
speeds, memory sizes and HD sizes on laptops these days, they rival 
what desktops had just a few years ago.


mike wrote:

That came up in our discussion on what we would do about her laptop.  The
cost of just building a solid system, I already had the
case/keyboard/mouse/hard drives, and getting some kind of dock was not much
different.  Decided on the little tower instead.


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Steve at Verizon 
wrote:




I'm sure you and many readers here know about this, but most model laptops
can plug in to a docking station, so that you can easily use a larger
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Steve at Verizon]

It seems you found the best solution for your needs. But some folks like 
to use the same machine, for both home use and travel. With speeds, 
memory sizes and HD sizes on laptops these days, they rival what 
desktops had just a few years ago.


mike wrote:

That came up in our discussion on what we would do about her laptop.  The
cost of just building a solid system, I already had the
case/keyboard/mouse/hard drives, and getting some kind of dock was not much
different.  Decided on the little tower instead.


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote:

  

I'm sure you and many readers here know about this, but most model laptops
can plug in to a docking station, so that you can easily use a larger
monitor and full keyboard and mouse of choice. Also externally attached HDs.


mike wrote:



We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to
get
rid of a desk in our home and make some more room.  After about 8 months
she
just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full
size
(numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use.  I built
her a computer for about 250 and now we use the laptop for other things.



  

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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[rleesimon]

I faced this dilemma in late 2004 when my trusty win95 Toshiba laptop which
I loved was too skimpy on max 20mb memory to go forth (that laptop had a
scsi port on the back, very forward looking for the day, allowing me to
attach an external zip drive that gave me lots of storage...I can still see
my almost 100 zip disks).  

I agonized over the new and expensive laptops finally settling on a
refurbished IBM x31 notebook with pIV1.4 250mbRAM/40gbHDD with some legacy
ports (EPP,Serial) but also the latest/greatest (2xUSB2,SD) and some I never
used (firewire4pin) with winXPpro.  Thence I have upgraded now to 2gbRAM and
120gbHDD (both of which I got on eBay and installed in minutes myself).  I
still use this all the time and have taken it all over using it in both the
USA and the EU (wifi gets me online everywhere).  

It was cheap and has stood the test of time; the vendor was certified IBM
and it was, on receipt, indistinguishable from brand new.  The original
battery still gives good service.  It still looks brand new; screen is
bright and all pixels are good.  I bought 2 docking stations for both sides
of the Atlantic (eBay again...cheap) each having a DVDR which can
accommodate many other devices as well, and now carry a WDPassport500gb
external HDD for music and backup.  

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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[rleesimon]

It's dirt simple.  The right to privacy in the home was breached.  Looking
at children via webcam or otherwise in a state of undress or susceptible to
be so is illegal.  They did it and the fact one student was sanctioned for
having misbehaved on camera proves that.  The thing has devolved into a
money issue for parents property values and for the school system fearing a
money judgment as well as diminishment of their upper crust reputation
leading to high placement of graduates in gold star colleges/universities.
What is lost in all this by having it play out as a civil matter is the
constitutional issue.  It should be handled criminally IMHO.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

I bought one of the Compaqs from Walmart this summer and it had a 
full keyboard including a 10 key.  I have only seen these on some 17" 
before not a 15.4.


Stewart


At 09:45 AM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

Netbooks do not have full keyboards.
I ONLY use laptops with full keyboards (I do use a netbook for meetings; the
battery lasts about 8.6 h)- and have been doing so for almost a decade.  I
am an engineer/accountant/medical professional with dire need of numeric
keys, symbol keys, foreign languages, etc.

Eschew Obfuscation

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From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com]
On Behalf Of mike
Sent: 03/05/2010 9:56 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to get
rid of a desk in our home and make some more room.  After about 8 months she
just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full size
(numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use.  I built
her a computer for about 250 and now we use the laptop for other things.



On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
>
>> You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
>> computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even cheaper.
>>
>
> Often people tell me they need a laptop, only to later discover that it is
> so much less convenient than a desktop and regret the purchase. A laptop
is
> best bought for travel. You may want to look at some of the all-in one
> desktops as a compact alternative. While the best of class is the iMac,
> there are several PC vendors who make them too. Or you could buy an iMac,
> erase the drive, and install Windows.
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Check out Circuit City on line I just saw a couple of Gateways on sale.

(They are a part of Tiger Direct be prepared to be bombarded with 
extended warranties)


Also Geeks or Newegg.

Stewart


At 08:42 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:

You forgot to tell us what you want to do.  A netbook is great for email and
websurfing- but not number crunching.
I avoid Dell AT ALL COSTS.  But, first we need to know what you want to do.

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On Behalf Of Robert Carroll
Sent: 03/04/2010 10:26 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

This listserv is so oriented towards social issues, I am almost afraid
to ask a computer question.  But, here goes:

I have always had a PC with Windows, if I exclude the Apple IIe
computer.  I have never owned or used a laptop, only a desktop.  I think
now that I need to buy a laptop because wife has decided to use the
desktop many hours a day for her new-found hobby of photography:  this
leaves me without access to a computer, particularly the internet or
other simple tasks.  If I get a laptop I will need a simple & cheap one
only since wife goes to sleep early, thereby freeing the desktop computer.

Starting with the Dell web site, I find that a laptop with:

Processor  Intel TM 6600 Duo, 2.2 GHz, 800 MHz bus, 2 MB cache
Memory 4GB 800 MHz RAM
500 GB 5400 RPM hard drive
6-cell battery
Intel Link 5100 "N" wireless modem
8X CD/DVD burner (dual layer)

costs $659 before shipping.

Questions:

Is this laptop a good choice? Is it a good price?  Are there other
brands or options that I ought to consider?  Specially: I want good
performance at the cheapest price.  I am very stingy by nature!

===

P.S.  Please don't say to buy a Mac laptop instead of a Windows
machine.  I bought my daughter a MacBook Pro and she likes it very well,
but I am more comfortable with a Windows OS because I already have a
large number of Windows programs that I can install on a laptop, plus I
don't want to start a new personal learning curve to use the Mac --
i.e., sharing data between computer might be hard -- and I want to go
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

Netbooks do not have full keyboards.
I ONLY use laptops with full keyboards (I do use a netbook for meetings; the
battery lasts about 8.6 h)- and have been doing so for almost a decade.  I
am an engineer/accountant/medical professional with dire need of numeric
keys, symbol keys, foreign languages, etc.

Eschew Obfuscation

This is a reply from: 
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. 
  Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

  703.548.1343 voice 
  703.783.1340 fax 
  

>From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we
are YOUR adjuvancy


-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com]
On Behalf Of mike
Sent: 03/05/2010 9:56 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to get
rid of a desk in our home and make some more room.  After about 8 months she
just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full size
(numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use.  I built
her a computer for about 250 and now we use the laptop for other things.



On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
>
>> You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
>> computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even cheaper.
>>
>
> Often people tell me they need a laptop, only to later discover that it is
> so much less convenient than a desktop and regret the purchase. A laptop
is
> best bought for travel. You may want to look at some of the all-in one
> desktops as a compact alternative. While the best of class is the iMac,
> there are several PC vendors who make them too. Or you could buy an iMac,
> erase the drive, and install Windows.
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

That came up in our discussion on what we would do about her laptop.  The
cost of just building a solid system, I already had the
case/keyboard/mouse/hard drives, and getting some kind of dock was not much
different.  Decided on the little tower instead.


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote:

> I'm sure you and many readers here know about this, but most model laptops
> can plug in to a docking station, so that you can easily use a larger
> monitor and full keyboard and mouse of choice. Also externally attached HDs.
>
>
> mike wrote:
>
>> We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to
>> get
>> rid of a desk in our home and make some more room.  After about 8 months
>> she
>> just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full
>> size
>> (numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use.  I built
>> her a computer for about 250 and now we use the laptop for other things.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

Or..don't buy one of the big dells...



On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:38 AM, betty  wrote:

> Dell notebooks are heavy and clunky, but not too bad. Toshiba makes
> excellent notebooks. If I were buying a Dell, I'd get the new Alien
> notebook. Alien finally has a smaller, still powerful notebook for a
> reasonable price. Apple also makes excellent PC notebooks, in case you
> forgot that they run both Windows and Mac OS X natively.
>
> The weight of the Dells won't matter as long as you don't plan to carry one
> around. Sony makes computers, so I hear, but I've owned a lot of Sony
> products and the only one that didn't die before its time was the Trinitron
> CRT display--never again.
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Steve at Verizon]

I'm sure you and many readers here know about this, but most model 
laptops can plug in to a docking station, so that you can easily use a 
larger monitor and full keyboard and mouse of choice. Also externally 
attached HDs.


mike wrote:

We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to get
rid of a desk in our home and make some more room.  After about 8 months she
just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full size
(numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use.  I built
her a computer for about 250 and now we use the laptop for other things.

  




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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[mike]

We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to get
rid of a desk in our home and make some more room.  After about 8 months she
just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full size
(numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use.  I built
her a computer for about 250 and now we use the laptop for other things.



On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tjpa  wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
>
>> You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
>> computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even cheaper.
>>
>
> Often people tell me they need a laptop, only to later discover that it is
> so much less convenient than a desktop and regret the purchase. A laptop is
> best bought for travel. You may want to look at some of the all-in one
> desktops as a compact alternative. While the best of class is the iMac,
> there are several PC vendors who make them too. Or you could buy an iMac,
> erase the drive, and install Windows.
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[CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[betty]

Dell notebooks are heavy and clunky, but not too bad. Toshiba makes excellent notebooks. 
If I were buying a Dell, I'd get the new Alien notebook. Alien finally has a smaller, 
still powerful notebook for a reasonable price. Apple also makes excellent PC notebooks, 
in case you forgot that they run both Windows and Mac OS X natively.


The weight of the Dells won't matter as long as you don't plan to carry one around. Sony 
makes computers, so I hear, but I've owned a lot of Sony products and the only one that 
didn't die before its time was the Trinitron CRT display--never again.



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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Michael S. Altus]

I chose Toshiba because it had the delete key on the lower part of the 
keyboard, unlike other brands, which have the delete key on the upper right. 
Now 
I understand that Toshiba has exiled the delete key to the upper right.

Anybody know of a laptop brand with the delete key down under?

(While I'm at it, why do digests omit subject lines between posts?)

Thanks,

Michael

Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS
Intensive Care Communications, Inc.®
Biomedical Writing and Editing
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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[tjpa]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:

You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even  
cheaper.


Often people tell me they need a laptop, only to later discover that  
it is so much less convenient than a desktop and regret the purchase.  
A laptop is best bought for travel. You may want to look at some of  
the all-in one desktops as a compact alternative. While the best of  
class is the iMac, there are several PC vendors who make them too. Or  
you could buy an iMac, erase the drive, and install Windows.



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Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

You mean the millionaires club?

Senators have never been average and it is similar to the house of 
Lords in England.


Titled individuals.

Stewart


At 08:15 AM 3/5/2010, you wrote:

The average net worth of Senators is about 9 million, not exactly average
joes.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:27 AM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>
>> Yeah you really have to wonder why someone would blow 5 million $ running
>> for an office that only pays just over $150.000 a year.  And in 
the case of

>> congress they do it every two years.
>>
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> Usually OPM -- Other People's Money.
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Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

[mike]

The average net worth of Senators is about 9 million, not exactly average
joes.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:27 AM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>
>> Yeah you really have to wonder why someone would blow 5 million $ running
>> for an office that only pays just over $150.000 a year.  And in the case of
>> congress they do it every two years.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Art Clemons  wrote:

> I also note that the folks making the claim that the district should not
> be sued likely would not quite feel that way if their darlings were
> involved.

  The thing is, some of their little darlings may have been involved,
but they just don't know about it.

  I think it is fairly clear that many of these super well-heeled
residents of that school district are primarily worried about
protecting their property values that are inherently connected to the
reputation of the school district in which they reside and own
property.  That is why they just want the controversy to just go away.
 Indeed, many families moved to that county and school district
specifically to take advantage of that school system in terms of how
it props up property values as well as grinding out students who
matriculate to Ivy League universities in large numbers.  As you
pointed out, many do not give a rats ass as long as it does not
involved one of their kids.

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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[John Settle]

On 3/4/2010 10:05 AM, Tony B wrote


I'm with the parents. You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it
came with strings attached.
   

Sir,

The "tool" in question was forced upon the students. The "tool" was 
required for courses, had to use the school board supplied "tool" and 
only that "tool"  as supplied and configured under penalty of suspension 
if one were arrogant enough to actually buy your own or adjust the 
settings on the school board approved "Tool".


You logic reads like "So we pass a law that says you have to go to 
school, you have to take gym class, you have to shower after gym class. 
Hey, you found the camera in the showers? Silly rabbit, you can't accept 
our free school and then complain about the strings!"



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Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

[John Emmerling]

Some of this syntax is peculiar to the find command.  Here is a good intro:

http://www.athabascau.ca/html/depts/compserv/webunit/HOWTO/find.htm

As far as how the -mtime option is used, I believe you are correct.
Whoever gave you this advice was probably short at least 12 oz. of
dark roast coffee.

On 3/5/10, t.piwowar  wrote:
> The following was suggested to me for a cron job to delete old emails
> from a spam folder. I don't completely understand the syntax at the
> end of the line.
>
> find /home/user/mail/domain/email/.spam -type f +mtime 30 -exec rm -f
> '{}' \;
>
>
> should not "+mtime 30" be "-mtime +30"
>
> What does "'{}'" (quote lbrace rbrace quote) mean?
>
> What does the "\" at the end mean?


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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Art Clemons  wrote:

> Once again, we aren't sure what really happened.  We also know that the
> District claims that only laptops reported missing or stolen were
> activated ala the claims in the following URL:
>
> http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/86444922.html

  We really do not know everything, but the school system did admit to
failing to inform any of the parents about the potential for spying.
To my way of thinking that is a very big deal in and of itself,
particularly since that school system administration is stuffed with
lawyers.  As it was, the capacity to spy was the sole means by which
lost or stolen laptops could be located, yet no one outside the school
administration knew of that.

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Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)]

You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the
computer for), so that should be fine.  A netbook would be even cheaper.
Don't be so cheap, though, that you buy junk and ask us a barrage of
questions when things break.  I am not inclined to advise someone who
says they are cheap to buy a decent computer, but portable computers
need to take more stress than a desktop, so caveat emptor!

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 
-Original Message-
This listserv is so oriented towards social issues, I am almost afraid 
to ask a computer question.  But, here goes:

I have always had a PC with Windows, if I exclude the Apple IIe 
computer.  I have never owned or used a laptop, only a desktop.  I think

now that I need to buy a laptop because wife has decided to use the 
desktop many hours a day for her new-found hobby of photography:  this 
leaves me without access to a computer, particularly the internet or 
other simple tasks.  If I get a laptop I will need a simple & cheap one 
only since wife goes to sleep early, thereby freeing the desktop
computer.

Starting with the Dell web site, I find that a laptop with:

Processor  Intel TM 6600 Duo, 2.2 GHz, 800 MHz bus, 2 MB cache
Memory 4GB 800 MHz RAM
500 GB 5400 RPM hard drive
6-cell battery
Intel Link 5100 "N" wireless modem
8X CD/DVD burner (dual layer)

costs $659 before shipping.

Questions: 

Is this laptop a good choice? Is it a good price?  Are there other 
brands or options that I ought to consider?  Specially: I want good 
performance at the cheapest price.  I am very stingy by nature!

===

P.S.  Please don't say to buy a Mac laptop instead of a Windows 
machine.  I bought my daughter a MacBook Pro and she likes it very well,

but I am more comfortable with a Windows OS because I already have a 
large number of Windows programs that I can install on a laptop, plus I 
don't want to start a new personal learning curve to use the Mac -- 
i.e., sharing data between computer might be hard -- and I want to go 
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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[Art Clemons]

On 03/04/2010 06:53 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>   Eh, the school board never told the parents about any "strings
> attached."  The school system never revealed the fact that those
> cameras would or could be activated remotely.  This fact has been
> verified by the school system, but they have yet to explain why this
> important piece of information was never provided to parents.
> 

Once again, we aren't sure what really happened.  We also know that the
District claims that only laptops reported missing or stolen were
activated ala the claims in the following URL:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/86444922.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[Art Clemons]

On 03/04/2010 07:50 PM, mike wrote:
> Does anyone else feel that it is a reasonable expectation of privacy that a
> school provided laptop won't have the camera turned on remotely to watch
> little girls and boys in their bedrooms?  I don't think anyone on this list
> would ever even have the thought to do such thing, doesn't it make you
> wonder the types of people running this school that they had no trouble at
> all allowing adults to do this?  These people are without morals and ethics,
> I agree don't sue the school, but go after every one of these admin
> officials who is involved.


It's not possible to sue just the officials and not the school district.
 The chances of financial recovery are also too low to justify said
suits too.  If said officials were carrying out school duties then the
School District is liable, it's that simple.

I will repeat though, we and that includes those folks like me who
actually know where Lower Merion is, that only the lawyers, school
district officials and possibly the parents and students involved know
all of the details.  We have absolutely no idea what parents and
students agreed to when accepting said laptops and I pointedly note that
if said laptop had been recovered from a non-student, few on this list
would be up in arms despite the equal invasion of privacy.


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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[Art Clemons]

On 03/04/2010 08:03 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:
> If I were those worried parents, I would start a movement to prevent the
> school from using any taxpayer money to defend themselves.  That is the
> rip-off, not the class action lawsuit.

What you're suggesting is not legally possible.  If an entity or
individual can be sued, then that entity or individual has the right to
have legal counsel.  Besides, I can guarantee right now that all we have
is speculation about what actually happened in Lower Merion.  This is a
nice juicy story, but consider how many folks have installed software to
aid recovery on laptops and other computers, the same type of software
that is now claimed to have been misused.

Lower Merion School District in case anyone is interested also has other
suits pending on other issues like whether or not it intentionally
assigned African-American students to one school rather than a closer
school in the name of balance.

> It doesn't help anyone in that school district to pay lawyers.
> 

So would you have the same belief if for example the school district
were being sued over claims that it was using X-ray equipment to look at
the naked bodies of citizens on the street despite it not having X-Ray
equipment available to do so?

I also note that the folks making the claim that the district should not
be sued likely would not quite feel that way if their darlings were
involved.


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Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

[Art Clemons]

On 03/04/2010 07:14 PM, Tony B wrote:
> The question is: Why don't *you* consider yourself paranoid? Or are you
> actually doing something in front of the camera that's even remotely
> interesting? And why void a warranty when a little piece of tape will work?
> Or are you concerned there's a way to remove your tape remotely? :)

I have seen how much revealing too much about one's self can do.  I was
also once peripherally involved in the aftermath of someone whose
microphone was somehow activated when it was not supposed to be, the
results were catastrophic to put it mildly.

Tape over a lens isn't a reliable long term solution.  Now if you want
to tell me that there is an equivalent of the lens cap on an SLR camera
for cameras, that would likely be an adequate solution.

As for what I do in front of a computer, I have a great deal of
hesitation having folks know that I don't shave three times a day or
that I have a messy computer room.  Seriously, the argument asking what
I have to hide is irrelevant, I value privacy more than I value a web cam.


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