Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
How many software companies have done the same thing? I can think of a few that come to mind. It is called Ethics which there are few of left in American business. Stewart At 08:13 AM 11/3/2009, you wrote: M$ took a different business tack in the early 1980's. Bill's motto was Knife the baby when an innovative software vendor would not agree to be acquired. Bill started M$ writing an OS for the IBM PC, remember? They never cared much who made the hardware. You are a little late to start whimpering now. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: With the logic you present below, MS should try to write code so that Windows won't run in any fashion on a Mac? Someone's business model is flawed? Why limit it to that? Why does not M$ write their code so that W7 only runs on HP hardware? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm making money being able to sync to itunes? How is Apple being ripped off? The money Apple might be losing aren't even pennies, but they are taking potential customers and going out of their way to make things hard to save those fractions of a cent. We aren't talking about Psystar, different subject. They are directly marketing and making money from what they are doing. MSI, other netbook manufacturers, Palm, these guys aren't trying to wedge their devices to work with Apple, they just do. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? On Nov 3, 2009 3:42 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Probably because you didn't write clearly. You just now brought up this control freak perception issue; where did you get that from? Apple is planning a large jump in its research. Some of that will go for OS X. Why would they make it easy for others to sell OS X the way Psyster is (during the law suit)? Apple's business plan has always been to mate hardware and software to provide the best user experience. You may disagree with that by choosing another product, but complaining about it sounds like whimpering to me. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? On Nov 3, 2009 3:42 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
With the logic you present below, MS should try to write code so that Windows won't run in any fashion on a Mac? Someone's business model is flawed? Fred Holmes At 05:38 AM 11/3/2009, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm making money being able to sync to itunes? How is Apple being ripped off? The money Apple might be losing aren't even pennies, but they are taking potential customers and going out of their way to make things hard to save those fractions of a cent. We aren't talking about Psystar, different subject. They are directly marketing and making money from what they are doing. MSI, other netbook manufacturers, Palm, these guys aren't trying to wedge their devices to work with Apple, they just do. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
M$ took a different business tack in the early 1980's. Bill's motto was Knife the baby when an innovative software vendor would not agree to be acquired. Bill started M$ writing an OS for the IBM PC, remember? They never cared much who made the hardware. You are a little late to start whimpering now. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- With the logic you present below, MS should try to write code so that Windows won't run in any fashion on a Mac? Someone's business model is flawed? Fred Holmes At 05:38 AM 11/3/2009, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm making money being able to sync to itunes? How is Apple being ripped off? The money Apple might be losing aren't even pennies, but they are taking potential customers and going out of their way to make things hard to save those fractions of a cent. We aren't talking about Psystar, different subject. They are directly marketing and making money from what they are doing. MSI, other netbook manufacturers, Palm, these guys aren't trying to wedge their devices to work with Apple, they just do. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
I'm not sure where to even start if you have never head of Apple's legendary control issues. It's been talked about here, on the web, books, television...magazines You also keep bringing up Psystar which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Yes, Apple's plan has always been to mate software/hardware for a good user experience...still nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm not sure why you are pretending to be obtuse concerning what I was talking about, that's fine, just seems like a waste of time for both of us for you to do this. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Probably because you didn't write clearly. You just now brought up this control freak perception issue; where did you get that from? Apple is planning a large jump in its research. Some of that will go for OS X. Why would they make it easy for others to sell OS X the way Psyster is (during the law suit)? Apple's business plan has always been to mate hardware and software to provide the best user experience. You may disagree with that by choosing another product, but complaining about it sounds like whimpering to me. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? On Nov 3, 2009 3:42 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Not surprised, completely missed the mark again. Try again, Tom. I suspect you know what I'm talking about, I'm thinking you aren't that stupid, just blowing more of your smoke screen so you don't have to actually say anything of substance. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:49 AM, mike wrote: You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? Why should Apple become shoddy and sloppy just to make Mike happy? They are control freaks because that what it takes to produce an outstanding product. That is the kind of company that I do want to do business with. iTunes is a key part of the iPod/iPhone infrastructure. It is the major reason that the iPod is better than Zune. It is a key part of Apple's competitive advantage. They spend a lot of dough making iTunes better and then give it away for free. Why should Apple let somebody else appropriate all their hard work? Why don't you be less of a control freak and let me have half of the money in your wallet? I deserve it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm making money being able to sync to itunes? How is Apple being ripped off? The money Apple might be losing aren't even pennies, but they are taking potential customers and going out of their way to make things hard to save those fractions of a cent. We aren't talking about Psystar, different subject. They are directly marketing and making money from what they are doing. MSI, other netbook manufacturers, Palm, these guys aren't trying to wedge their devices to work with Apple, they just do. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
