Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
D Freye On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:37:23 -0400, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to run that XP? I would bet that most programs will run much faster in XP. I have a 133mh Win98se machine just back from the shop and an almost new Acer 2gh XP machine. This is an apples and oranges comparison. Win98SE is based on Win3.1/DOS, WinXP/Vista is based on Win2K. MS stuck lots of stuff they probably shouldn't have in the WinXP/Vista kernel (like video drivers, etc.) that probably should have remained outside. Outside because of orthogonality security, inside because of gamers demands for performance. If there weren't drivers in the kernel, you wouldn't have as many drivers crashing windows. They would access the kernel through API's (at least that is my understanding). My understanding is that WinXP had another, optional, mode where drivers (?and applications?) had to be signed. Vista removed the optional feature of this. MS has been saying that before, etc. I have to wonder why Dell HP didn't do a much better job of producing systems that would actual run much better than they do with Vista. The 98 machine takes a really long time to boot and a moderate time to shut down. However, several programs start faster on the 98 machine and do simple tasks much faster than the XP machine! Bloat,bloat,bloat or simply M$. Be at Peace. Yup, there is lots of bloat in MS. From what I understand the biggest feature for Vista is a piece of eye candy called Aero (I understand you shouldn't try to run it on anything less than a _real_ fast machine). The improved security is also much better, but I don't know that that by itself is worth the price of admission to move from WinXP to Vista. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Very good, Einstein - but next time show your work * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
2k/XP/Vista are based on NT actually. The reason the security features were removed, if you are speaking of the ones I believe you are, which are still available in vista 64bit is because they would have broken most applications. Mike On 9/3/07, Wayne Dernoncourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an apples and oranges comparison. Win98SE is based on Win3.1/DOS, WinXP/Vista is based on Win2K. MS stuck lots of stuff they probably shouldn't have in the WinXP/Vista kernel (like video drivers, etc.) that probably should have remained outside. Outside because of orthogonality security, inside because of gamers demands for performance. If there weren't drivers in the kernel, you wouldn't have as many drivers crashing windows. They would access the kernel through API's (at least that is my understanding). * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP I'm not quite clear on this. Are we saying that MS should continue to sell both XP and Vista indefinitely? Does Apple do that? Apple provides complete support of the current and previous version of the OS. If MS did this they would support XP until the replacement for Vista shipped. It does not appear that MS will do anything even close to this. We know when MS will pull the plug on XP, but does any even know the name of the replacement for Vista? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
Of course you can dual boot a PC with either XP or Vista, just like with BootCamp. But you can't run OS X on a PC, not because of Microsoft or PC hardware restrictions, but thanks to the Glorious Leader. He won't allow that. That's like paying for a Chevy and demanding that the dealer deliver a Jaguar. Only in your dreams. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
At 3:50 PM -0400 9/3/07, Jeff Wright wrote: Fear makes you do the darndest things. Sounds more like hardware-centric Apple's worst nightmare. I don't have to pay the Apple cachet pump tax, get a bajillion times more hardware options and still get to run OS X, albeit virtually? Helloo PCs. And then you get to play the driver game, the same as you have to do with Windows. I think most of Windows' problems stem from them having to support every Mom and Pop board maker that comes along, with their home-brew drivers of dubious quality. If Microsoft controlled the platform as Apple does, and the drivers, the perceived lack of quality in Windows would be reduced. That's my opinion, anyway. And you know what they say about opinions: they are like body orifices. Everybody has one. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
Sounds more like hardware-centric Apple's worst nightmare. I don't have to pay the Apple cachet pump tax, get a bajillion times more hardware options and still get to run OS X, albeit virtually? Helloo PCs. Dream on. If you can't tell the difference you deserve a Chevy. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
Hmmm. Unless there is something wrong, you better have more than one- which is why we have MANY opinions Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger D. Parish Sent: 09/03/2007 4:12 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP At 3:50 PM -0400 9/3/07, Jeff Wright wrote: Fear makes you do the darndest things. Sounds more like hardware-centric Apple's worst nightmare. I don't have to pay the Apple cachet pump tax, get a bajillion times more hardware options and still get to run OS X, albeit virtually? Helloo PCs. And then you get to play the driver game, the same as you have to do with Windows. I think most of Windows' problems stem from them having to support every Mom and Pop board maker that comes along, with their home-brew drivers of dubious quality. If Microsoft controlled the platform as Apple does, and the drivers, the perceived lack of quality in Windows would be reduced. That's my opinion, anyway. And you know what they say about opinions: they are like body orifices. Everybody has one. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
At 4:40 PM -0400 9/3/07, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Hmmm. Unless there is something wrong, you better have more than one- which is why we have MANY opinions I did have one particular orifice in mind, but, since this is a family list, I left it to your imagination. By the way, what is the plural of anus? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
anii? Mike On 9/3/07, Roger D. Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did have one particular orifice in mind, but, since this is a family list, I left it to your imagination. By the way, what is the plural of anus? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
That is easy. Assholes! :-) Stewart At 05:27 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: At 4:40 PM -0400 9/3/07, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Hmmm. Unless there is something wrong, you better have more than one- which is why we have MANY opinions I did have one particular orifice in mind, but, since this is a family list, I left it to your imagination. By the way, what is the plural of anus? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
Not as technical as my term, but it works. Mike On 9/3/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is easy. Assholes! :-) Stewart At 05:27 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: At 4:40 PM -0400 9/3/07, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Hmmm. Unless there is something wrong, you better have more than one- which is why we have MANY opinions I did have one particular orifice in mind, but, since this is a family list, I left it to your imagination. By the way, what is the plural of anus? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
This is paranoia; turn on the XP firewall and you can go online and d/l the updates just fine. Slipstreaming is only necessary when you install the OS from scratch many times. If you are doing a one-time install, it's a waste of time. If you are behind a home router, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. You can always have someone else download the XP SP2 admin install and burn it to a disk. That way you can install the OS and the SP without plugging in the network cable. But again, this is a lot of work and time just to avoid using the current OS. Vista won't scare the horses in the street nor lose the war for the allies. It just wants a LOT of hardware to work its mojo properly. -Original Message- The main concern I would have is making certain that with the 3 year copy of the OS, you would need to build a slipstream disc that contains all the relevant SPs and critical updates. I think you'd still be able to get them from MS but the new Dell would be vulnerable if you tried to do all the updates on line. As had been said before, Dell BIOS-locks the OS to a Dell only. FWIW, I believe HP does the same. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
This is paranoia; turn on the XP firewall and you can go online and d/l the updates just fine... If you are behind a home router, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Some people will tell you with confidence that you can walk barefoot on hot coals. I say: let them do it. Call me paranoid if it makes you feel good. If you have a hardware firewall and you are sure that it has everything properly locked down and you don't do anything else but go straight to Windows update and you said your prayers, you should be able to pull this off. Be quick about going for those updates. But again, this is a lot of work and time just to avoid using the current OS. Vista won't scare the horses in the street nor lose the war for the allies. It just wants a LOT of hardware to work its mojo properly. Now you know why MS is so confident about future Vista sales. You may be better off following Windows user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the PC you buy has all the right specs. Getting all the drivers you need for an XP install is not going to be a picnic either. So your XP driver problems may turn out to be as bad as they would be for Vista. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
There. Fixed that for you. --- Now you know why Apple is so confident about future OS X sales. You may be better off following Mac user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the Mac you buy has all the right specs. Now you know why MS is so confident about future Vista sales. You may be better off following Windows user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the PC you buy has all the right specs. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9. 1. Mac had a change of microprocessor. Windows did not. The change was because although at the introduction of the IBM PPC, it was superior to the Intel offering, over the years, Intel worked hard and pulled ahead while IBM's progress was shallow. This was beyond Apple's control and could not be foreseen. To Apple's credit, after the switch to Mac OS X, they made it possible, for many years, to run Mac OS 9 and OS X *at the same time* on PPC machines; stopping this ability only after the switch to a completely different microprocessor. 2. Mac OS X is far superior to Mac OS 9, and the new microprocessor is superior to the old one, so you gain a lot by switching. Vista is not far superior to XP. You gain very little by switching. I don't think that you can run Vista and XP at the same time, unless you use a third party virtualization program. You can re-boot the Mac and run it in XP. Probably someone will figure out how to re-boot the Mac and choose either XP or Vista! There. Fixed that for you. --- Now you know why Apple is so confident about future OS X sales. You may be better off following Mac user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the Mac you buy has all the right specs. Now you know why MS is so confident about future Vista sales. You may be better off following Windows user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the PC you buy has all the right specs. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP I'm not quite clear on this. Are we saying that MS should continue to sell both XP and Vista indefinitely? Does Apple do that? I don't think that you can run Vista and XP at the same time, unless you use a third party virtualization program. Actually, MS's VirtualPC will do that just fine, and it's free. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
For what it's worth, you can still get XP out there, and at a good discount in some cases. I just bought an XP PC for $227 at Circuit City. Micro Center and Dell still sells them as well. Richard P. Dan Blum wrote: Hello all; My wife's three year old Dell desktop got fried in lightning storm last week so I'm replacing it. I'd prefer to keep XP, but at this point, everyone's shipping with Vista. Two questions: 1. Has anyone found any good web resources on how to downgrade an OS from Vista to XP? 2. I have the disks that came with the Dell that was destroyed, which includes a CD of Windows XP that I have a legal license for. Is there any reason it wouldn't work for me to order a new Dell, format the new hard drive and run that CD? Thanks in advance for any help Dan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
Thanks. I already have an OEM copy of XP that came with the computer that died. My question is focused more on any technical issues involved in replacing Vista with XP -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard P. Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:46 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP For what it's worth, you can still get XP out there, and at a good discount in some cases. I just bought an XP PC for $227 at Circuit City. Micro Center and Dell still sells them as well. Richard P. Dan Blum wrote: Hello all; My wife's three year old Dell desktop got fried in lightning storm last week so I'm replacing it. I'd prefer to keep XP, but at this point, everyone's shipping with Vista. Two questions: 1. Has anyone found any good web resources on how to downgrade an OS from Vista to XP? 2. I have the disks that came with the Dell that was destroyed, which includes a CD of Windows XP that I have a legal license for. Is there any reason it wouldn't work for me to order a new Dell, format the new hard drive and run that CD? Thanks in advance for any help Dan ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
Check their small business listings you can still get XP on systems there. Our church bought one a few months ago and I specified XP. Stewart At 08:18 AM 9/1/2007, you wrote: Hello all; My wife's three year old Dell desktop got fried in lightning storm last week so I'm replacing it. I'd prefer to keep XP, but at this point, everyone's shipping with Vista. Two questions: 1. Has anyone found any good web resources on how to downgrade an OS from Vista to XP? 2. I have the disks that came with the Dell that was destroyed, which includes a CD of Windows XP that I have a legal license for. Is there any reason it wouldn't work for me to order a new Dell, format the new hard drive and run that CD? Thanks in advance for any help Dan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
You can't downgrade the OS, but you do have the right to install XP in place of Vista. You have to already have the XP media *and* product ID and you can then install that instead. The Dell OEM disks won't work unless you buy another Dell. The disks are locked to the system's hardware and license that came with the CPU. Using another OEM disk, HP for example, or even a retail media set (without a product ID) may not work with the product ID on the Dell. Add to this, is that it's not legal. http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c1 64182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm You can buy XP here, if the OEM disks don't work for you, but this is a lot of work and $$$, just to avoid using Vista. http://www.directron.com/systems-operating-systems.html -Original Message- My wife's three year old Dell desktop got fried in lightning storm last week so I'm replacing it. I'd prefer to keep XP, but at this point, everyone's shipping with Vista. Two questions: 1. Has anyone found any good web resources on how to downgrade an OS from Vista to XP? 2. I have the disks that came with the Dell that was destroyed, which includes a CD of Windows XP that I have a legal license for. Is there any reason it wouldn't work for me to order a new Dell, format the new hard drive and run that CD? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
