Re: [CGUYS] router security
Thanks for all the input. The problems I have experienced are of little or no consequence so far. I was just tinkering with router security to gain a better understanding of it. Now it seems likely that the problem was not with the router at all. If indeed the problem is totally with gmail, it is still of little consequence, since it is isolated to a short period of time on 2 days. Yesterday when I had the problem, I went to a gmail help page and there was a message apologizing and explaining the problem. I'll see if there is a problem again today. Thanks again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
B1suncat wrote: Does WPA security close ports for mail? Different ports for secure email -- in, port 995 (SSL), out 587/465 (TLS/SSL) for TBird server settings. Betty Sent from my iPod Touch Well, you are just so cool! I'll keep reading up on what it might do as far as messing with ports. It might have just been a glitch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Router security
Tom Piwowar wrote: I am experimenting with WPA wireless security on my D-Link router. I thought it was working but then it stopped incoming or outgoing email. Web browsing was still working well. Email worked again when I shut security off. You need to find out what your router does when you turn security on. My router has several screens that list and control what security does when it is turned on. Probably the most important screen is the one that controls ports. Different services pass through the router via these numbered ports. Port 80 is for HTTP (Web browsing). Port 25 is the standard port used for SMTP connections (the outbound part of email). Etc. Your router's screen will probably list the most common port numbers and define them. Before you turn on security you need to check the list of ports that your router is set to block and adjust it to your needs. I left security off yesterday and let the router set it up with its wizard last night and everything is working well. I don't know if the email problem after the first try was a glitch or if there is something I did not do when I set it up manually. I learned to have a distrust of wizards in my Windows years, and I still always try to do things manually just because it helps me learn what going on, and nothing gets messed with that I don't want messed with. Thanks Tom and Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Does WPA security close ports for mail? Different ports for secure email -- in, port 995 (SSL), out 587/465 (TLS/SSL) for TBird server settings. No WPA and ports are distinct. WPA should not mess with email, ports certainly can. I should mention that some ISPs block the standard email prots, so you have to use special non-standard ports they designate. Security for such ports woule need to be set up manually. Best practice is to close all ports and then open just the ones you need. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Tom Piwowar wrote: No WPA and ports are distinct. WPA should not mess with email, ports certainly can. I should mention that some ISPs block the standard email prots, so you have to use special non-standard ports they designate. Security for such ports woule need to be set up manually. Interesting: After about 17 hours, I just had another problem sending and receiving email. This time I checked the online gmail and sure enough, gmail was having a problem. It could be that both these occurrences where gmail problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
I'm hardly as in the know as either Tom or Jeff W, but my experience has been, contrary to all the hype it gets, gmail is very unreliable. Thankfully I only have one address hooked to them and my mail program checks it at the same time it checks all the others. Gmail seems to have problems at the very least once a week. Jeff M On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Jordan wrote: Tom Piwowar wrote: No WPA and ports are distinct. WPA should not mess with email, ports certainly can. I should mention that some ISPs block the standard email prots, so you have to use special non-standard ports they designate. Security for such ports woule need to be set up manually. Interesting: After about 17 hours, I just had another problem sending and receiving email. This time I checked the online gmail and sure enough, gmail was having a problem. It could be that both these occurrences where gmail problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Jeff Miles wrote: I'm hardly as in the know as either Tom or Jeff W, but my experience has been, contrary to all the hype it gets, gmail is very unreliable. Thankfully I only have one address hooked to them and my mail program checks it at the same time it checks all the others. Gmail seems to have problems at the very least once a week. I'm sorry your gmail breaks so often. Including the 2, yesterday and today,(assuming yesterday was their problem) I've had a problem 3 times. I'll keep an eye on them though, as I tinker with security. I am using 995 for incoming and 587 for outgoing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
I'm sorry your gmail breaks so often. I have found it very reliable. I can only remember getting hit by two short outages since the service bagan. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
I really have no idea how this all works. But it sounds like they must have their service broken up into blocks of coverage. For them this would be a good thing. If a problem happens, it doesn't happen network wide. They can isolate it. I just happen to live in a crap sector. Once again, I don't really know how all this works. I do know that my mail checks several different servers when it checks mail every 5 minutes. When all the rest work and one doesn't I figure I've isolated the problem to that server. For me it's usually the gmail one. Jeff M On Feb 11, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: I'm sorry your gmail breaks so often. I have found it very reliable. I can only remember getting hit by two short outages since the service bagan. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Tom is correct in that wireless encryption shouldn't do anything to your ports. If you can connect to the router via Ethernet cable, I would try that before goofing with wireless settings. If you still have the problem, then your router is doing something hinky. It may even be worth you time to reset it to factory defaults. -Original Message- I am using 995 for incoming and 587 for outgoing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I really have no idea how this all works. But it sounds like they must have their service broken up into blocks of coverage. For them this would be a good thing. If a problem happens, it doesn't happen network wide. They can isolate it. I just happen to live in a crap sector. Once again, I don't really know how all this works. I do know that my mail checks several different servers when it checks mail every 5 minutes. When all the rest work and one doesn't I figure I've isolated the problem to that server. For me it's usually the gmail one. The one problem I have with Gmail is with Thunderbird using both pop and imap. It keeps not connecting the first time and requesting passwords again. Generally it just missed a connection and Thunderbird seems to assume the worst. Restarting T-Bird seems to do it most times but it is truly annoying. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Router security
I am experimenting with WPA wireless security on my D-Link router. I thought it was working but then it stopped incoming or outgoing email. Web browsing was still working well. Email worked again when I shut security off. I have not seen anything yet that addresses problems or any particular settings for enabling email. Any suggestions? I'm using OS X 10.5 and Thunderbird. Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Does WPA security close ports for mail? Different ports for secure email -- in, port 995 (SSL), out 587/465 (TLS/SSL) for TBird server settings. Betty Sent from my iPod Touch * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Router security
I am experimenting with WPA wireless security on my D-Link router. I thought it was working but then it stopped incoming or outgoing email. Web browsing was still working well. Email worked again when I shut security off. You need to find out what your router does when you turn security on. My router has several screens that list and control what security does when it is turned on. Probably the most important screen is the one that controls ports. Different services pass through the router via these numbered ports. Port 80 is for HTTP (Web browsing). Port 25 is the standard port used for SMTP connections (the outbound part of email). Etc. Your router's screen will probably list the most common port numbers and define them. Before you turn on security you need to check the list of ports that your router is set to block and adjust it to your needs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
