Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[John Duncan Yoyo]

It was a side conversation on usenet.

Ok a quick trip to google groups turned up the beginning of the saga
in September.  

 Anim8orFSK changed his signature in December to

Jitterbug phone works!  (Third time's a charm!)
Except the first bill is $100 high.  Heavy sigh.
Second bill is only $50 too high.  Progress.  :\

I think that there was some more in the middle of that but I didn't turn it up.


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> >Are you talking about the Jitterbug cell phone?  Someone in an another
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Daniel Else]

That is almost identical language to the footnote on a price-hike
announcement we got yesterday from Verizon (we have their DSL service).
No mention in there about whether or not we will have the option of
switching to FiOS, just the price hike to more than $20 per month.

>>> John J Settle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/16/2008 10:17 AM >>>
Here's one I think. http://www.jitterbug.com/ 

The scary part is footnote #1:

" ¹Not including government taxes, assessment surcharges and activation

fee."

If the surcharge is anything like the gotcha airfare surcharge not 
included in that low advertised price,
it can wind up being an expensive phone service. Activation fee is
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[John J Settle]

Here's one I think. http://www.jitterbug.com/

The scary part is footnote #1:

" ¹Not including government taxes, assessment surcharges and activation 
fee."


If the surcharge is anything like the gotcha airfare surcharge not 
included in that low advertised price,

it can wind up being an expensive phone service. Activation fee is $35.00

Tom Piwowar wrote:

Are you talking about the Jitterbug cell phone?  Someone in an another
group I frequent had an awful time getting one of those to work.



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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Tom Piwowar]

>Are you talking about the Jitterbug cell phone?  Someone in an another
>group I frequent had an awful time getting one of those to work.

Want to tell us more or provide a link to their archive?





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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Art Clemons]

Tom, in DC "Economy 1" service costs $6.00 a month.  No bells and
whistles and you pay 6 cents a call.  Local calling only.  With taxes and
surcharges that's no more than $12.00 a month.


I suggest $12 a month is reasonable for security.  Further I suspect one 
can still call toll free numbers, meaning that a long distance calling 
card becomes a real option for emergency calls to let's say your 
offspring in California.  Six cents a call is also cheaper than most 
cell phone plans for minutes albeit with no long distance service.  I 
believe ATT and Qwest offer similar plans.


I'm quite willing to pay six cents to be able to call police, fire or an 
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[John Duncan Yoyo]

Are you talking about the Jitterbug cell phone?  Someone in an another
group I frequent had an awful time getting one of those to work.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, what's that one advertised all the time? It has big buttons and
> is only a cell phone without all the gimmicks like camera and web access,
> etc. And they advertise it has plans as low as $9.95/mo. It's called the
> skipper, or some stupid name like that. I'll have to wait for the commercial
> again to give you the exact name.
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>  Jeff M
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>  On Apr 15, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
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> > > Tom, in DC "Economy 1" service costs $6.00 a month.  No bells and
> > > whistles and you pay 6 cents a call.  Local calling only.  With taxes
> and
> > > surcharges that's no more than $12.00 a month.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks Eric. My Mom is in New York and we have spent many hours talking
> > to Verizon/MCI trying to get her a service plan that is appropriate to
> > her needs. The best we could find was MCI's "Neighborhood Talk" plan for
> > $25 plus $17 in "taxes and surcharges" for a total of $42 a month just to
> > have a phone in the house for emergencies and us calling her.
> >
> > I could get her a pay-go cell phone for a lot less than that, but a cell
> > phone takes too much care to maintain and is too tiny for an old lady to
> > use. I also don't want to change her phone number at this late stage of
> > life.
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> > Has anyone ever seen a large cell phone?
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Jeff Miles]

I really should read ahead before responding to my own posts. You guys  
got it!


Jeff M


On Apr 15, 2008, at 5:06 PM, John Settle wrote:


Yes, that's it. Here's a link: *http://tinyurl.com/5ztmz4*

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Jitter bug?

Stewart


At 05:40 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote:
   Yes, what's that one advertised all the time? It has big  
buttons and

is only a cell phone without all the gimmicks like camera and web
access, etc. And they advertise it has plans as low as $9.95/mo.  
It's

called the skipper, or some stupid name like that. I'll have to wait
for the commercial again to give you the exact name.

Jeff M


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[John Settle]

Yes, that's it. Here's a link: *http://tinyurl.com/5ztmz4*

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Jitter bug?

Stewart


At 05:40 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote:
Yes, what's that one advertised all the time? It has big 
buttons and

is only a cell phone without all the gimmicks like camera and web
access, etc. And they advertise it has plans as low as $9.95/mo. It's
called the skipper, or some stupid name like that. I'll have to wait
for the commercial again to give you the exact name.

Jeff M


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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Jitter bug?

Stewart


At 05:40 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote:
Yes, what's that one advertised all the time? It has big 
buttons and

is only a cell phone without all the gimmicks like camera and web
access, etc. And they advertise it has plans as low as $9.95/mo. It's
called the skipper, or some stupid name like that. I'll have to wait
for the commercial again to give you the exact name.

Jeff M


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Jeff Miles]

	Yes, what's that one advertised all the time? It has big buttons and  
is only a cell phone without all the gimmicks like camera and web  
access, etc. And they advertise it has plans as low as $9.95/mo. It's  
called the skipper, or some stupid name like that. I'll have to wait  
for the commercial again to give you the exact name.


Jeff M


On Apr 15, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


Tom, in DC "Economy 1" service costs $6.00 a month.  No bells and
whistles and you pay 6 cents a call.  Local calling only.  With  
taxes and

surcharges that's no more than $12.00 a month.


Thanks Eric. My Mom is in New York and we have spent many hours  
talking

to Verizon/MCI trying to get her a service plan that is appropriate to
her needs. The best we could find was MCI's "Neighborhood Talk" plan  
for
$25 plus $17 in "taxes and surcharges" for a total of $42 a month  
just to

have a phone in the house for emergencies and us calling her.

I could get her a pay-go cell phone for a lot less than that, but a  
cell
phone takes too much care to maintain and is too tiny for an old  
lady to
use. I also don't want to change her phone number at this late stage  
of

life.

Has anyone ever seen a large cell phone?


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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Tom Piwowar]

>Tom, in DC "Economy 1" service costs $6.00 a month.  No bells and
>whistles and you pay 6 cents a call.  Local calling only.  With taxes and
>surcharges that's no more than $12.00 a month.

Thanks Eric. My Mom is in New York and we have spent many hours talking 
to Verizon/MCI trying to get her a service plan that is appropriate to 
her needs. The best we could find was MCI's "Neighborhood Talk" plan for 
$25 plus $17 in "taxes and surcharges" for a total of $42 a month just to 
have a phone in the house for emergencies and us calling her.

I could get her a pay-go cell phone for a lot less than that, but a cell 
phone takes too much care to maintain and is too tiny for an old lady to 
use. I also don't want to change her phone number at this late stage of 
life.

Has anyone ever seen a large cell phone?


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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Mason Miller]

You could also add several batteries in parallel and extend the amount  
of backup time.


Mason

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On Apr 12, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Personally I'ld suggest anyone
worried about losing connectivity after the UPS for FIOS runs out,  
get

or keep a 2nd line with as minimum a service as possible (look up
lifesaver line on Verizon's website for an idea of what I mean).


Googling in "site:verizon.com lifesaver line" or "site:verizon.net
lifesaver line" turns up nothing.

In the past I have tried to get info on this kind of service and found
nothing. I wanted to get it for my 90 year old Mom who never uses the
phone and should not be wasting her social secutity check on enriching
the phone company. I think "lifesaver" is an urban myth disseminated  
by

Verizon to make us think they are less evil.


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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Eric S. Sande]

We must be talking about two different things.  The plan I read about
in the telephone directory wasn't that cheap...



The phone companies deserve all the bashing they get.  I remember
visiting my elderly mother, in Florida, and thinking I'd take a few
minutes to reduce the full-option phone package someone had sold her.
I spent an hour on the phone trying to reach a live person.
Eventually I found the only way to reach someone was to select the
option to initiate new service.  The phone company knew that
navigating that labyrinth was beyond the ability of most of their
elderly customers.


Call the customer service number and hit "0".  You'll get someone, at
least you do around here.  Ask to speak to a supervisor.  Explain what
you want and it will be done, to the extent possible.  Get names and
document times and dates. 


I'm sorry you had a bad experience.  If it's anything I can fix, I'll fix
it.  Was this Verizon or AT&T?  What part of Florida?


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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Eric S. Sande]

Thanks for the link. I followed it up. It is a stingy program. The plan 
will reduce the monthly bill by "up to" $13.30. I expect that "up to" 
means the real reduction will be significantly less. To qualify you have 
to be very poor. The least expensive service I could find was about 
$50/month. So the net result would be a plan reduced to about $40/month. 
But someone poor enough to qualify would hardly be in a position to spend 
$40/month on telephone service. They will need the money to pay for food.


Tom, in DC "Economy 1" service costs $6.00 a month.  No bells and
whistles and you pay 6 cents a call.  Local calling only.  With taxes and
surcharges that's no more than $12.00 a month.

With the Lifeline option, if you qualify, it's $3.00 a month.  Yes it's for
low income people.  But it's not something Verizon "cooked up".  If
anything, the government "cooked it up".

Every US telco is subject to regulation.  We all answer to the FCC and
state regulators.  If it was up to me, I'd sell gold plated superdeluxe
phone service to everyone.  After all, I'm an evil greedy capitalist.

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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Tom Piwowar]

>Ir's called "Lifeline".  Check it out here www.lifelinesupport.org .

Thanks for the link. I followed it up. It is a stingy program. The plan 
will reduce the monthly bill by "up to" $13.30. I expect that "up to" 
means the real reduction will be significantly less. To qualify you have 
to be very poor. The least expensive service I could find was about 
$50/month. So the net result would be a plan reduced to about $40/month. 
But someone poor enough to qualify would hardly be in a position to spend 
$40/month on telephone service. They will need the money to pay for food.

Looks like another plan to aid the poor cooked up by executives who pay 
themselves $1,000,000/day.

I don't think this is sufficient to remove the word "evil."


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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Roger D. Parish]

At 2:15 PM -0400 4/12/08, Eric S. Sande wrote:

In the past I have tried to get info on this kind of service and 
found nothing. I wanted to get it for my 90 year old Mom who never 
uses the phone and should not be wasting her social secutity check 
on enriching the phone company. I think "lifesaver" is an urban 
myth disseminated by Verizon to make us think they are less evil.


Ir's called "Lifeline".  Check it out here www.lifelinesupport.org .


From my reading, it is a discount for low-income people. There are 
income qualifications.

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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Scott McClure]

Thanks for the information Eric, and thanks to everyone else for their 
observations.  The ability to have some basic service in the event of a 
long-term power outage does seem pretty important.

All the discussion of cheap, basic phone lines made me recall the cost-saving 
choices made by a friend's  parents who didn't want to pay as much for a 
residential phone line.  They had a party line.  I can recall being at their 
house and picking up the phone to call someone, and I was always surprised hear 
someone already on the line.

Probably the worst thing about sharing the party line with my friend's family 
was the fact that has father used to bring a very early version of a computer 
with a modem home from work (it had a keyboard, a printer, and a "modem" that 
was hooked up by placing the phone handset into two rubber cups.)  His sons 
were budding programmers and they used to use that thing a lot late at night.  
Probably drove their party line "parties" nuts.

I don't remember when party lines were phased out, but this was all back before 
the Bell System was broken up.

Scott



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>In the past I have tried to get info on this kind of service and found 
>nothing. I wanted to get it for my 90 year old Mom who never uses the 
>phone and should not be wasting her social secutity check on enriching 
>the phone company. I think "lifesaver" is an urban myth disseminated by 
>Verizon to make us think they are less evil.

Ir's called "Lifeline".  Check it out here www.lifelinesupport.org .

  


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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Ralph]

We must be talking about two different things.  The plan I read about
in the telephone directory wasn't that cheap...

The phone companies deserve all the bashing they get.  I remember
visiting my elderly mother, in Florida, and thinking I'd take a few
minutes to reduce the full-option phone package someone had sold her.
I spent an hour on the phone trying to reach a live person.
Eventually I found the only way to reach someone was to select the
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Eric S. Sande]

My guess would be the phone companies, realizing that
demand for such a plan was likely to skyrocket, quietly worked with
their congressional-critter friends to have it outlawed (in the
consumer interest, of course.)


Wrong.  It's available, it's used.  In the District it costs $3.00 a month.

It's Federally mandated and funded by the Universal Service Fund,
which is funded by a surcharge that the telco collects from all non
Lifeline subscibers.  It costs me just as much to maintain and service
a Lifeline account as it does any other.

If you are prepared to discuss FCC and state regulations and tariffs
intelligently, I welcome that.

If all you want to do is bash the evil phone company, fine.

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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Ralph]

I remember seeing such a plan described, in the telephone directory,
some years ago - It offered 50 calls a month (outgoing, unlimited
incoming IIRC).  My guess would be the phone companies, realizing that
demand for such a plan was likely to skyrocket, quietly worked with
their congressional-critter friends to have it outlawed (in the
consumer interest, of course.)

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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Eric S. Sande]

In the past I have tried to get info on this kind of service and found 
nothing. I wanted to get it for my 90 year old Mom who never uses the 
phone and should not be wasting her social secutity check on enriching 
the phone company. I think "lifesaver" is an urban myth disseminated by 
Verizon to make us think they are less evil.


Ir's called "Lifeline".  Check it out here www.lifelinesupport.org .

 



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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Tom Piwowar]

> Personally I'ld suggest anyone 
>worried about losing connectivity after the UPS for FIOS runs out, get 
>or keep a 2nd line with as minimum a service as possible (look up 
>lifesaver line on Verizon's website for an idea of what I mean).

Googling in "site:verizon.com lifesaver line" or "site:verizon.net 
lifesaver line" turns up nothing. 

In the past I have tried to get info on this kind of service and found 
nothing. I wanted to get it for my 90 year old Mom who never uses the 
phone and should not be wasting her social secutity check on enriching 
the phone company. I think "lifesaver" is an urban myth disseminated by 
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[Art Clemons]

Scott McClure:

1) With all the recent list discussion of the removal of the POTS copper lines 
during a FIOS installation, what is the make-up of the lines that run along the 
poles after the work that I am seeing performed?


Verizon tends to leave the copper lines in place unless of course an 
entire neighborhood switched to fiber, thus the optical lines for FIOS 
add to what is on your poles.



2) Does the old copper remain on the poles to provide service to homes along 
the way that aren't switched to FIOS?


Once again, yes, Verizon only removes the feed from the old copper 
landline connection point to the house or residence.  If you have two or 
more phone lines and only one is switched to fiber, the other line(s)
presently remain hooked up to the copper landlines and the battery chain 
which provides the 48 volts or so.  Personally I'ld suggest anyone 
worried about losing connectivity after the UPS for FIOS runs out, get 
or keep a 2nd line with as minimum a service as possible (look up 
lifesaver line on Verizon's website for an idea of what I mean).  Calls 
made to that number are free and it leaves one with a backup as long as 
the phone lines work if you have a corded phone that doesn't require 
batteries.


All of this being said, I suspect that folks could set up alternate 
charging arrangements for the battery used by the UPS Verizon provides 
or alternatively, replacing the UPS with one of your own.  Solar 
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Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS

[John Duncan Yoyo]

I watched the installation in my neighborhood.  They wrapped the fiber
line around the existing POTS lines.  It was sort of cool there was a
spinner that wrapped the fiber around the line as it was pulled down
the line by a guy in a cherry picker bucket at line height from a
moving truck.  They bury the main lines and hook in to them where
convenient.

The black boxes on the line are distribution points where they can
hook up four lines to houses.  When they hooked my house up it was
just one guy and a ladder who hooked up a line which was roughly twice
as long as needed so he could pull the line up to roof height on the
other end.  They stored the extra line coiled in the box on the
outside of the house since it has a special connector on each end that
they simply plug into the box on the outside wall..

It took them about six months to offer FIOS from when I saw the first
signs of installation.

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Scott McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While walking my dogs the other evening I noticed that many of the utility 
> poles in my subdivision have looped or coiled black cables taped onto them.  
> Some of the coils have an end that goes up to the level where the phone lines 
> are installed.  I took a look at one loop of cable and it had a red plastic 
> "Verizon" marker.  The cable sheath has "Corning Optical" and some other 
> markings.  Some of the cables run into rectangular boxes that are about 2ft 
> long.
>
>  The next day I looked around some more and it appears that the newer cable 
> has been installed along quite a lot of the runs in the few blocks around my 
> house.  My guess is that FIOS is being installed in my subdivision, but I am 
> curious about two things:
>
>  1) With all the recent list discussion of the removal of the POTS copper 
> lines during a FIOS installation, what is the make-up of the lines that run 
> along the poles after the work that I am seeing performed?
>
>  2) Does the old copper remain on the poles to provide service to homes along 
> the way that aren't switched to FIOS?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Scott
>
>
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