Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
I don't recall which drive maker came out with it first, but just a few years ago some hard drives started writing their data perpendicular instead of horizontal. This apparently increased storage capacity by more then 3x the previous limit. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > I have not read enough lately but I think they achieved the increase in >> capacity not by changing the physical structure but in how it is written and >> read. >> > > Yes, it would appear so if they can do it on two platters within a > standard form factor. > > Amazing technology. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
I have not read enough lately but I think they achieved the increase in capacity not by changing the physical structure but in how it is written and read. Yes, it would appear so if they can do it on two platters within a standard form factor. Amazing technology. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
I have not read enough lately but I think they achieved the increase in capacity not by changing the physical structure but in how it is written and read. But yes the SSD is the new wave and I think will become the new standard. The increase in size will just take time. I think when we start seeing a 200GB SSD they will be ready for prime time in laptops. That is unless they figure out a way to really really compress video and not loose quality. Stewart At 10:24 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote: 1.5 TB drives are starting to really make a push and I have seen prices dropping on 1 TB drives. Yeah, but you have to figure that the more moving parts you've got would tend to compromise reliability unless the technology were really improved. My feeling is that we're not going to see a real improvement in storage technology until we get rid of the motors, platters, and read/write heads. Solid state memory is there, it just isn't big enough yet. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
1.5 TB drives are starting to really make a push and I have seen prices dropping on 1 TB drives. Yeah, but you have to figure that the more moving parts you've got would tend to compromise reliability unless the technology were really improved. My feeling is that we're not going to see a real improvement in storage technology until we get rid of the motors, platters, and read/write heads. Solid state memory is there, it just isn't big enough yet. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
Not exactly. 1.5 TB drives are starting to really make a push and I have seen prices dropping on 1 TB drives. I have seen 500GB laptop drives really coming on presently. My wife's new laptop came with a 250 GB while mine came with a 120 GB (Year difference) Looked at upgrading mine and the 250's are selling for what 80's did about a year ago. (SATA) our ability to stuff more onto the same format is getting better as technology comes on. 64GB SSD have started to make some inroads. However they are still much more expensive than spinning platter technology. That is why Netbooks are a little more expensive with SSD than spinning platter technology. In reading the article on the ATOM chips, am I reading them correctly in that the wireless technology and memory is part of the processor? Sounds like Intel might be a part of a really powerful and advanced smartphone in the future if marketed. (Which I think still use ARM technology) Stewart At 09:53 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote: As far as hard drives this is true. Fujitsu and Maxtor were well considered back in the day and Seagate was vilified, but Seagate has gotten a lot better and has an excellent warranty. I know Western Digital gets good marks but I believe Seagate's warranty is better. All of it is made in China or Indonesia. It is a commodity product. That doesn't make it bad, it's more about what is quietest and what has the better warranty. I've had good luck with Seagates. I haven't run any terabyte drives but I would suspect that right now that's pushing the envelope no matter who makes it. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
It's hard to keep track of who is actually making hardware these days. As far as hard drives this is true. Fujitsu and Maxtor were well considered back in the day and Seagate was vilified, but Seagate has gotten a lot better and has an excellent warranty. I know Western Digital gets good marks but I believe Seagate's warranty is better. All of it is made in China or Indonesia. It is a commodity product. That doesn't make it bad, it's more about what is quietest and what has the better warranty. I've had good luck with Seagates. I haven't run any terabyte drives but I would suspect that right now that's pushing the envelope no matter who makes it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I buy Seagate drives--their top ones; haven't been disappointed. Our PM 6100 ca. 1994 has one in it that sounds like an airplane warming up, but still works after 14 years--lasted longer than most dogs. However, I'm considering a Hitachi 500GB for my MacBook. I've only had one other Hitachi drive before, and it was good. Don't know about their advance RMA. Do you really want a drive that the mfg expects you to need RMA? Maybe I'll get a Seagate, Samsung, or Toshiba drive instead. I don't care who makes Sony drives. Sony is a primarily a marketing and distribution company. If Lite-on makes their drives and they're OK, buy Lite-on. Don't get Sony. You'll regret it. Better, get a Pioneer. My Sony monitor is flickering right now--ouch. I don't hate my Sony-Ericsson phone yet because the Ericsson part works OK [battery sucks]; good thing it was free from my son, and he didn't have to pay back the contract $ when he got his iPhone only 7 months into his contract. Good info Betty, thanks. It's hard to keep track of who is actually making hardware these days and I'll be the first to admit my bad feelings about hitachi are not founded in any real facts. To be honest I'm not worried about recovery as 1 of these drives is the main and the other a mirror, which is why I'll be getting two of them. One other question since it looks like I'll be heading towards hitachi, how is their advance RMA? I've found WD's to be fairly straightforward and fast, hitachi good as well in case I do get a bad drive? I've got one year instant exchange with the wholesaler I'm buying from but after that I'll be dealing with hitachi. Does sony still make the drives in their dvdrw's? I'd heard many of them were liteons? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
After buying many drives for servers, I find WD's to generally be the most cost effective and reliable and a good company to work with always. I most always buy thu newegg and alway try to buy WD 7200 rpm, large cache models with a 5 yr. warranty and if not that, the 3 yr. warranty models. If you don't set NewEgg's search tool to view "all models" instead of best rated or best deal you will just get the one's they are pushing and not necessarily the best deal or the best model. Some manufacturers like Seagate are having significant problems with their 1 TB + drives. 3 or 4 years ago Hitachi was having drive reliability issues but I don't know about now... db mike wrote: Good info Betty, thanks. It's hard to keep track of who is actually making hardware these days and I'll be the first to admit my bad feelings about hitachi are not founded in any real facts. To be honest I'm not worried about recovery as 1 of these drives is the main and the other a mirror, which is why I'll be getting two of them. One other question since it looks like I'll be heading towards hitachi, how is their advance RMA? I've found WD's to be fairly straightforward and fast, hitachi good as well in case I do get a bad drive? I've got one year instant exchange with the wholesaler I'm buying from but after that I'll be dealing with hitachi. Does sony still make the drives in their dvdrw's? I'd heard many of them were liteons? Thanks. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Hitachi 0A38016 1 TB SATA II 16 MB92 bux Western Digital 10EACS 1 TB SATA II 98 bux Both carry 3 year warranty. I've got bad feelings about hitachi due to past experience with just one drive. I'm buying two of these which means I could save a whopping 12 bux, what does the list think? Any opinions on either drive? BTW, I won't be RAIDing the drives so the WD will still be ok if that's the pick. Polls close early, please vote soon and often. My vote: Hitachi or Seagate [not Maxtor, not low-end Seagate]. Hitachi [as well as Seagate] makes its own hardware, or carefully oversees the manufacturing so that the drives contain exactly what Hitachi dictates, including the chips inside. When a drive fails, a drive recovery firm can remove the disk and put it into any other Hitachi drive of the same model, and then work to recover the data. Western digital produces specs for their drives, then farms production out to a variety of manufacturing plants that promise to follow specs. If a WD drive fails, the data recovery process is more complicated. You have to have at least a half dozen bare, empty drives before you find one that can "talk" to the damaged disk. Both drives are equally reliable--more or less. As long as you back up your data frequently it doesn't matter. But if your data is critical, I'd go with reliable drive companies that oversee the manufacture of their products like Seagate, Toshiba, Samsung, Hitachi/IBM. I will never buy another Sony drive. Those are the only drives I've used that failed long before their time. I'm about to replace a Sony DVD-RW drive with a Pioneer drive to avoid the usual Sony issues. Save often. Backup often, too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
Good info Betty, thanks. It's hard to keep track of who is actually making hardware these days and I'll be the first to admit my bad feelings about hitachi are not founded in any real facts. To be honest I'm not worried about recovery as 1 of these drives is the main and the other a mirror, which is why I'll be getting two of them. One other question since it looks like I'll be heading towards hitachi, how is their advance RMA? I've found WD's to be fairly straightforward and fast, hitachi good as well in case I do get a bad drive? I've got one year instant exchange with the wholesaler I'm buying from but after that I'll be dealing with hitachi. Does sony still make the drives in their dvdrw's? I'd heard many of them were liteons? Thanks. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:53 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Hitachi 0A38016 1 TB SATA II 16 MB92 bux >> >> Western Digital 10EACS 1 TB SATA II 98 bux >> >> Both carry 3 year warranty. I've got bad feelings about hitachi due to >> past >> experience with just one drive. I'm buying two of these which means I >> could >> save a whopping 12 bux, what does the list think? Any opinions on either >> drive? BTW, I won't be RAIDing the drives so the WD will still be ok if >> that's the pick. >> >> Polls close early, please vote soon and often. >> > > My vote: Hitachi or Seagate [not Maxtor, not low-end Seagate]. Hitachi [as > well as Seagate] makes its own hardware, or carefully oversees the > manufacturing so that the drives contain exactly what Hitachi dictates, > including the chips inside. When a drive fails, a drive recovery firm can > remove the disk and put it into any other Hitachi drive of the same model, > and then work to recover the data. > > Western digital produces specs for their drives, then farms production out > to a variety of manufacturing plants that promise to follow specs. If a WD > drive fails, the data recovery process is more complicated. You have to have > at least a half dozen bare, empty drives before you find one that can "talk" > to the damaged disk. > > Both drives are equally reliable--more or less. As long as you back up your > data frequently it doesn't matter. But if your data is critical, I'd go with > reliable drive companies that oversee the manufacture of their products like > Seagate, Toshiba, Samsung, Hitachi/IBM. I will never buy another Sony drive. > Those are the only drives I've used that failed long before their time. I'm > about to replace a Sony DVD-RW drive with a Pioneer drive to avoid the usual > Sony issues. > > Save often. Backup often, too. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
>Both carry 3 year warranty. I've got bad feelings about hitachi due to past >experience with just one drive. I'm buying two of these which means I could >save a whopping 12 bux, what does the list think? Any opinions on either >drive? BTW, I won't be RAIDing the drives so the WD will still be ok if >that's the pick. I have never found that one brand of hard drive was that much better than another. I have tossed many drives over the years. Rarely because of failure, but instead because their capacity shrank too much to still be useful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
Hitachi 0A38016 1 TB SATA II 16 MB92 bux Western Digital 10EACS 1 TB SATA II 98 bux Both carry 3 year warranty. I've got bad feelings about hitachi due to past experience with just one drive. I'm buying two of these which means I could save a whopping 12 bux, what does the list think? Any opinions on either drive? BTW, I won't be RAIDing the drives so the WD will still be ok if that's the pick. Polls close early, please vote soon and often. My vote: Hitachi or Seagate [not Maxtor, not low-end Seagate]. Hitachi [as well as Seagate] makes its own hardware, or carefully oversees the manufacturing so that the drives contain exactly what Hitachi dictates, including the chips inside. When a drive fails, a drive recovery firm can remove the disk and put it into any other Hitachi drive of the same model, and then work to recover the data. Western digital produces specs for their drives, then farms production out to a variety of manufacturing plants that promise to follow specs. If a WD drive fails, the data recovery process is more complicated. You have to have at least a half dozen bare, empty drives before you find one that can "talk" to the damaged disk. Both drives are equally reliable--more or less. As long as you back up your data frequently it doesn't matter. But if your data is critical, I'd go with reliable drive companies that oversee the manufacture of their products like Seagate, Toshiba, Samsung, Hitachi/IBM. I will never buy another Sony drive. Those are the only drives I've used that failed long before their time. I'm about to replace a Sony DVD-RW drive with a Pioneer drive to avoid the usual Sony issues. Save often. Backup often, too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] hard drive poll questions
We've always found the Hitachi's to be the superior drive, since the days they were IBM. Usually costing a bit more though, which makes sense. Most of ours are upgraded before they fail. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM, mike wrote: > Hitachi 0A38016 1 TB SATA II 16 MB 92 bux > > Western Digital 10EACS 1 TB SATA II 98 bux * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
