[Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you can't connect from any currently supported Mandrake release to a Windows 2003 Server, did we ship an update to samba-3.0.0 for all the current releases? No. Because they are feature enhancements. Buchan, you should know better than comparing server products to desktop products. Sysadmins know where to get their stuff. End users don't. I wholeheartedly agree with the people here who say a new gaim should be in the Bugfix updates, then at least there'll be *some* chance they'll get a working gaim installed. MSN/Yahoo not working in an app that claims to support those accounts, is technically a regression, and Simply Broken from end user point of view, and we should do everything to prevent that. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
[Cooker] Re: Re: [Contrib-Rpm] epiphany-0.7.3-1mdk
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:01:12 +0200, Götz Waschk wrote: Yes, I've just uploaded a 2mdk that uses preun instead of postun. The bug I wanted to file when I discovered there was no epiphany component in qa yet, is: * The epiphany startup script misses a line that sets the MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH. Because of that ephy finds no plugins. I could solve it by adding this line to the startup script: MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins:$HOME/.mozilla/plugins and of course: export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH -- Reinout
[Cooker] Re: Re: rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:53:59 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: intuition...yet the implication of what the user indicates he wants in his menu is that you open the *menu editor* to install software. That I agree that the menu editor perhaps isn't the most suitable tool for this. So we'd need easier ways to edit the menus as well :) (Think DnD, context menus and more) is not intuitive, to me. The other idea, that the menus would contain all possible software and install whatever you click on...erm...have you thought how BIG the menus would be? Not to mention what to do about packages that wouldn't naturally have a menu entry. This one is easy, I mentioned the _common_choices_ from the 'What to do?' menu. Anything else a user would like to install can be done via urpmi, or perhaps an expert-oriented GUI front end. The reasoning being that if a user knows the name of a different program he wants he's advanced enough to be able to use advanced tools. -- Reinout
[Cooker] Re: rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:39:48 +0200, dann wrote: I want to find a program for emailing. What do you do? - Install software - search description for email- Nothing found! User thinks: WTF? Smarter user starts (ironically and contra-intuitive) software removal, finds kmail/evolution, thinks: ahh...I already have such a program, it is called kmail! Than he has to hope that the menu name corresponds with the rpm name (another Feature request: make the menu name clearly visible in rpmdrake, this will imediatly suggest what menu item is connected with the package). I have to agree with Danny. I'll even go as far to say that rpmdrake should match the 'what to do?' functionality and not require prior knowledge of package names at all. -- Reinout van Schouwen
[Cooker] Re: rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:33:27 -0500, w9ya wrote: - -It would be nice if by default rpmdrake would show software that is installed. IMHO, there should be an options dialog, which has things like show installed software in searches. Is there any reason why installed software can not be under a seperate branch of the tree view? Any reason it can't be in the same program, from a user's perspective ? Talking from a user's perspective- my assumption would be that a typical user wouldn't see the need to start one program to add or remove another program. Again this is just my gut feeling, but I've seen anecdotical evidence that as far as a user is concerned, when a program isn't on the desktop or menu, it doesn't exist. My conclusion: don't bother with the extra step of graphical software (de-)installers, why don't we just transparently install / remove software based on what the user indicates he wants in his menu or on the desktop? Of course there are gotchas with this approach, for instance, the user should be able to edit his menu without having the permissions to install/remove software. But this could also be handled transparently. Next to this it would have to be extremely easy to add programs. I envision the 'What to do?' menu always containing the common choices and when a user clicks a not yet installed application, then a installer should pop up explaining that it needs to download something, please wait, or that it needs the installation CD. Descending back to reality, -- Reinout
[Cooker] Re: rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:38:57 +0200, Pierre Jarillon wrote: Often newbies ask How to launch ?. Yes, sometimes this will take some exploring. An area to work on. They ask too where is the .exe ? It can't be a real newbie asking that. It can only be a user who is mentally deformed by too much windos-exposure. -- Reinout
Re: [Cooker] Important remaining bugs
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Daouda LO wrote: of 9.0. There was a showstopper (app crashing) with drakconf in nl locale. And the idea was to not release with this kind of big bugs in the distro. Yeah, tell me about it. :) Anyway I was under the impression there would be a special testing round specific to translators before release. (Such a round could for instance have prevented that some advertising texts in 9.1 DrakX are printed on top of each other when used in NL). Locale should not prevent using an app as critical as mcc. Agreed. Unfortunately, things have not been done in time for mdkkdm but this is not a critical bug (Users can easily guess the meanings of 'login' and 'passwd'). Or they can just use gdm, like Roberto suggested. :) Perhaps Mdk can still resolve this by making mdkkdm localizable, gathering some translations and providing it as an update? (hint, hint) regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] wish list for 9.2
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Guillaume Rousse wrote: - gpg-agent support - mdadm support - synaptic driver - easy.urpmi better integration - mirror mess sanitization - complete UI-review of all Mandrake tools including accessibility support http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/draketools.html http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/ regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] club volunteer
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Steffen Barszus wrote: Could someone pass me to some informations on how to get to the Club volunteers list (any other list I should subscribe to) ? I think you need to mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Important remaining bugs
Hello Daouda, AFAIR, i received mail from some cooker volunteers to help with this. Yes, I was one of them. Many translators don't follow the cooker list though. None of this volunteers have reported bad issues, in fact there were no report. No news, good news. W.r.t. the mdkkdm issue, this was raised on the cooker-i18n list weeks ago, as well as put into bugzilla (bug 2769). No response whatsoever. Next time raise your hand before it's too late. Oh please. If you're serious about this, the least you could have done was to send a heads-up mail to the volunteers who applied and the cooker-i18n list before going gold. That said, I have to say I believe 9.1 has less critical l10n issues than 9.0 did. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Major evolution of gnomeicu to include in mdk 9.1
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Pierre BETOUIN wrote: Maybe it could be included in the 9.1 updates then, because it contains a lot of bug fixes and a nice remixed GUI... ;) No other deps are needed. You can vote for it on MandrakeClub: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=RPMfunc=info_pageRID=1053 -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Important remaining bugs
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: There are a number of pretty serious bug still, and I would hate to see Mandrake 9.1 ship as cooker currently is. Some of them are trivial to Hmm... what I'm wondering is if Mandrakesoft will make up on the promise made after the 9.0 release, that a release will have to get a 'go' from the l10n team before shipping[1]. As far as I'm concerned the distro isn't finished until mdkkdm is localized[2] (or a well-localized login manager is taken as default). [1] http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2002-09/msg04914.php [2] http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2769 -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] bugs i've found so far
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Can you sum up why you posted this link, why does it follow what buchan was saying? A lot of thought has gone into the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. Which is not to say it is perfect, but a gross generalization like really bad UI for a guideline which is recommended in the HIG is uncalled for. URL to the most relevant section: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/hig-diff/windows.html#instant-apply -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] bugs i've found so far
Hi Buchan, On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: Sorry, but I really don't think a single Close button is better than Apply/Cancel/OK combo. It's like making a nuke with only a Fire button, and no abort ... Nowhere did I say that a 'Revert' functionality isn't in order in some critical places. That said, I don't see the relation between apply/save/whatever with an abort button on a nuke. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: OT: desktop advocacy (was Re: [Cooker] whose bright idea?)
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Michael Scherer wrote: I still don't know how thing can be as they are even with Sun's enginners working on usability. How much people are trying to do a good desktop with gnome ? And how many people does it take to write a good dialog ! Look, if you really don't know what you're talking about, just keep quiet OK? The file chooser is one of the most (if not THE most) touchy subjects in GNOME development land. *It is being worked on*, and suffice it to say it's not as easy as just drawing up a new dialog. And, I am pretty sure that's only because GNOME should not look like windows... BS. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] whose bright idea?
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Well, Gnome can be hard, *even* for computer savvy people. Back to gnome-ppp, I just spent like 20 hours so far trying to know what was going on with a bug report. It's not like that I don't know what I'm gnome-ppp sucks. A lot. And it should not ever be put under any Mandrake users' nose (as has been the case in previous releases). Kppp should be the default. However IIRC it's not included with GNOME 2.x any more and it's simply ridiculous to measure the quality of GNOME for either new or advanced users by it. I could go on and start a GNOME-KDE flamewar now, but I won't because I have better things to do. ;-) regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] bugs i've found so far
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, obennett wrote: I think that would be a good fix but Save rather than Close (as gnome does) would be more appropriate here as it explains to the lay user exactly what is/has been done. Not really. The reason that GNOME uses 'Close' and not 'Save' or something else, is that it uses instant-apply where possible. So the changes have already been effectuated before closing the window. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] bugs i've found so far
Hi, On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, obennett wrote: else, is that it uses instant-apply where possible. So the changes have already been effectuated before closing the window. the average person doesn't know this so having Close might cause them to just stare wondering if their settings are going to be saved or not. Sad as it is this actually happens. The average person does not press a Save button after turning the volume knob on his stereo. If he'd be wondering whether his computer settings are going to be saved or not, then he has been mentally mutilated by incompetent software designers, and should be cured ASAP. ;-) -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] bugs i've found so far
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: Which means if you made a mistake, you can't just choose cancel (or hit ESC), you have to remember what setting you had before, and set it back to that. Really bad UI IMHO. Expect users to make mistakes often, and make it easy for them to recover from them ... I suggest you read the GNOME HIG before making really bad UI judgments. http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] installation report RC1
Hallo Helge, On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Helge Hielscher wrote: layer does in detail. There was no explanation of the security admin field. - often (e.g. choose how many CDs, Internet config) it sais Wählen Sie O.K.(choose OK), but the button label is Weiter ... Die Deutsche übersetzungen sind noch nicht fertig. Auch die übersetzungen sind abhängig von freiwilliger Arbeit. Also geh mal nach http://www.linux-mandrake.com/l10n/de.php3 und lese http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=446 Vielleicht kannst du mithelfen? freundliche gruesse, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
[Cooker] APM suspend on desktop Athlon
Hi, I've been trying to get APM working on my desktop machine (an Athlon 600 with Via KX133 chipset, EPoX 7KXA motherboard) with the RC1 kernel. The last time I remember this worked properly was around kernel 2.4.7. With the tweaking to the wakeup events and APM settings I've done, I've only managed to reach two situations: 1) machine suspends but wakes up again immedeately 2) machine suspends but never wakes up again until manual reset neither of which is desirable behaviour ;). Does anybody know if there are 'right' settings to get this to work or is it the kernels' fault? regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Bug 1583 not taken into account ?
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: a) Edit /etc/hosts b) Give up on proftpd / gnome and use something else. c) Fix your DNS. Hello! Does my mother have a DNS on her standalone PC? Didn't think so. GNOME, too, should Just Work for standalone configurations without having an advanced user intervene first. box doesn't work. The expected result isn't achieved. The user is picked off. Sorry for the rant. I'll crawl back in my hole. Note this I agree with James. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Open Office doesn't like me anymore
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Robert Fox wrote: I started the program from the CLI (oowriter) to see if there was any other error messages - but it simply says aborted What's the scoop? Just that you're not the only one having these problems. I sincerely hope OOo startup failures will be fixed in rc2. The problem I'm having is in bugzilla and as far as I can make sense of the gdb backtrace originates from libfreetype. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub memberATTACHMENT: snapshot4.png
Re: [Cooker] Bug 1583 not taken into account ?
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: This needs a fix. If no network name is defined, the localhost.localdomain must be present in order to fix the error message and connection into gnome. Seconded. I've had to fix this problem since the first time I used Mandrake and it's a bad first impression for people who choose a GNOME desktop. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 2345] [metacity] Shortcut keys don't work
Doesn't work here! :-S fcrozat: Run gnome-window-properties to check Alt is the modifier key selected for shortcuts.. I assume this is the Configuration GNOME Windows capplet? It is set to Alt. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Re: [galeon] Galeon 1.3.2 usability in RC1
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: ... which is only accessible from menus when running GNOME ... can this be fixed? The logical thing to do then, IMHO, is to embed the GNOME proxy capplet into drakconf. Or if drakconf already offers a tool to set up a proxy, make it so that it stores the right values in gconf as well. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 2113] [Installation] New: installation
I can handle the translation problems but the layout problems seem to be more generic... Ben: bedankt dat je de Nederlandse vertaling test. Ik coordineer die en hoor het graag als er onvolkomenheden in zitten. Zoals je kunt zien is de vertaling nog niet helemaal compleet. Alle hulp is welkom, dus meld je bij mij als je wilt meehelpen! -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
[Cooker] Xine frontend
Hello, Probably too late since we're in package freeze, but I want to have mentioned it anyway: Xine is a great media player but it's UI pretty much sucks and doesn't adhere to any guideline whatsoever. Fortunately Xine is modular by design and there are a few much better graphical frontends available for it. One of them is totem, which has 27 votes currently on MandrakeClub. Only today I noticed it has not been included in the 9.1 package list. I believe the inclusion of such a (GNOME HIG compliant) frontend for Xine would really add quality to the distro. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Xine frontend
Giuseppe, On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote: of them is totem, which has 27 votes currently on MandrakeClub. Only today I noticed it has not been included in the 9.1 package list. but totem is in contrib. Well, that is very nice, I wasn't aware of that. But that doesn't mean much if contrib packages aren't shipped with the distro (or are they?). regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] Xine frontend
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: Not everything can go in main :-(. Of course, but if ease of use, also in the media playing department, is a priority for Mandrakesoft, then they should think hard about putting totem in main. And don't forget all the club votes either. bye, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] RC1 install report on IBM 600X
Hi Buchan, On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: me). It asked me if I was sure I wanted no X, left the default No enabled, click next, and the installation died there. My RC1 installation also died after the summary screen, I suspected it was because I have no network configured. Is there a bug open for this? -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1922] [drakconf] clock.pl crashes
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Thierry Vignaud wrote: i cannot reproduce it. give me a way to reproduce it Just start it from the command line or from the gnome panel clock context menu. The window appears in a flash and disappears again as the program crashes. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] CD burning problem
Hi Marcel, On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Marcel Pol wrote: If you run cdrecord -scanbus before, and after reloading the ide-scsi driver, does it give the same scsi id's for both times? Of course it does, it's a real SCSI writer, not one that's faked by ide-scsi. 8-) Thanks anyway for trying to assist... -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] CD burning problem
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: I'll buy the person who gives me my CD writing capabilities back a beer... Anyone? Two beers..? BTW I forgot to mention that I use a sym53c8xx SCSI adapter, if that matters. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
[Cooker] CD burning problem
Hi, Since my upgrade from Mandrake 8.2 to 9.0 I haven't been able to use my CD burner any more. In 9.1b3 it's no-go as well. But I don't want to point at Mandrake as the guilty party just yet, it might also be that my burner is broken or something else, I just don't know where to look.. :-( My burner is a Philips CDD 3600 (2-speed SCSI model). I've tried several front ends but cdrecord keeps returning the same kind of error when starting to write: (...) /usr/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. mode select g1: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 55 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 44 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: F0 00 05 00 00 00 00 28 00 07 DE 4B 26 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x26 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in parameter list) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (valid) cmd finished after 0.019s timeout 40s /usr/bin/cdrecord: Warning: using default CD write parameter data. Mode Select Data 00 10 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 05 32 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 96 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 /usr/bin/cdrecord: Cannot open new session. /usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets. /usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%. (...) On a hunch, I unloaded the ide-scsi module and this made a tiny difference, the resulting error message is almost identical but also mentions the Writing time: (...) /usr/bin/cdrecord: Cannot open new session. Writing time:2.695s /usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets. /usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%. (...) It looks like I have to do something about the invalid field in parameter list sense code warning. The cdrecord documentation provides me no clues on how to do this. One more interesting tidbit from cdrecord -scanbus (the warning line), although I can make no sense of it: (...) [root@tocotronic en]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord 2.0 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Using libscg version 'schily-0.7' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) * 0,1,0 1) * cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page. 0,2,0 2) 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-ROM DVD-303 ' '1.09' Removable CD-ROM 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) 'PHILIPS ' 'CDD3600 CD-R/RW ' '2.03' Removable CD-ROM 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'IOMEGA ' 'ZIP 100 ' '14.A' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * (...) I'll buy the person who gives me my CD writing capabilities back a beer... :-) regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc MandrakeClub member
Re: [Cooker] OT umlauts
Hi Ben, On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Ben Reser wrote: Yeah well US keyboards don't even have a Alt Graph key. My bottom row is: Ctrl Win Alt Space Alt Win Menu Ctrl Your rightmost Alt key will be interpreted as AltGr when a keyboard mapping is installed that supports it. It's actually quite easy to create accented characters, also on a US keyboard, by setting the keyboard to US International. Keys like ` and , will then act as dead keys so when you type them they will not appear on screen immedeately, but only after a following character has been typed. If that character can have the accent that's indicated by the dead key then the accented character is displayed. bye, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] I want my MTV (was xawtv-3.84-1mdk.i586.rpm segfaults!)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Robert Fox wrote: Working in my cold, dark basement without my on screen TV blaring in the background is depressing. Try Zapping it's better than xawtv and included with Mandrake. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] /etc/hosts
Hi folks, Something I've been wanting to ask for a long time but keep forgetting (until now): Whenever I do an upgrade/reinstall of Mandrake, my /etc/hosts is reset to just the line for localhost.localdomain . Because I've named my machine something other than localhost this leads to all kinds of problems with proftpd and GNOME. The solution is fairly simple, just add a line to the hosts file with my machine name in it and it works. But for unexperienced users this could be a big hurdle. Is this behaviour of the installer a bug or a feature? Eager for your comments, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] HD error???
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Chuck Burns wrote: only USB device is my trackball.. but.. I *do* have a internal atapi zip drive.. You think this msg relates to the zip? I rarely use it, so it I think this is already covered in bug 1087. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Talking about developers coooperation ( Was: Creationof a community )
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Michael Scherer wrote: You miss of course some of the work Austin and others do on the Mandrake Club (on the club-volunteers list). Not a club member, sorry. Guess what: contributing to the club as a volunteer will get you a free membership... just ask Deno! -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] beta3 OpenOffice troubles
Hello Mandrake developers, Before I file a bug about this I want to discuss it here just to make sure it's no user error and to pin down the problem exactly. :) I'm running 9.1beta3. My graphics card is a Matrox G400 16MB. When I tried the bundled (nl localized) OpenOffice.org, it would segfault the moment I asked it to display the Albany font (this font is bundled with StarOffice). In an effort to find out what was happening, I edited the ooffice startup script and changed the My$Debug variable from 0 to 1. That was a bad idea: after this, starting OOo would only yield: 'Installation of OpenOffice.org 1.0.2 failed.' even after I set the debug variable back to 0. Reading the startup script I come to the conclusion that for some reason this only happens when it wants to run Setup and setup doesn't exit correctly, I don't know why it wants to run Setup though. Deleting and reinstalling OOo with urpme and urpmi did not fix it. Deleting my ~/.openoffice directory did not fix it either, however the OpenOffice.org Setup program would start but also segfault after the final installation confirmation following the Java setup step. Trying to run it in a different user account or as root makes no difference. By editing /usr/lib/openoffice/setup I ran the setup binary in gdb and retrieved a backtrace, which is attached. As a last resort I tried deleting the Albany fonts with drakfont, but unfortunately drakfont crashes when I try to do so. But I believe this is covered already in bug 835. It goed without saying that I'd be very grateful to someone who helps me get my OOo back! :-S regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 16386 (LWP 3870)] 0x42074090 in mallopt () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x42074090 in mallopt () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #1 0x42072e9c in free () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #2 0x4142298e in _init () from /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 #3 0x40620d0b in X11GlyphPeer::GetGlyphId(ServerFont, int) () from ./libvcl641li.so #4 0x406187bc in SalGraphicsData::DrawServerAAFontString(int, int, ServerFont*, unsigned long const*, int, long const*) () from ./libvcl641li.so #5 0x40619bb5 in SalGraphicsData::DispatchServerFontString(int, int, ServerFont*, unsigned long const*, int, long const*) () from ./libvcl641li.so #6 0x40619e72 in SalGraphicsData::DrawServerFontString(int, int, unsigned short const*, int, long const*) () from ./libvcl641li.so #7 0x4061ab7c in SalGraphics::DrawTextArray(long, long, unsigned short const*, unsigned short, long const*) () from ./libvcl641li.so #8 0x4051da4b in OutputDevice::ImplDrawTextDirect(long, long, unsigned short const*, unsigned short, long const*, unsigned char) () from ./libvcl641li.so #9 0x4051e1a5 in OutputDevice::ImplDrawText(long, long, unsigned short const*, unsigned short, long const*) () from ./libvcl641li.so #10 0x4051fa00 in OutputDevice::DrawText(Point const, String const, unsigned short, unsigned short) () from ./libvcl641li.so #11 0x08066895 in ContWin::DrawSlideText(OutputDevice*, unsigned char) () #12 0x08065daa in ContWin::ReDrawVDev() () #13 0x08065fd4 in ContWin::AnimSlide(SiSlide const*) () #14 0x0806b844 in UIAgendaCallback::ProgressTransfer(unsigned short) () ---Type return to continue, or q return to quit--- #15 0x0806b8d3 in UIAgendaCallback::ProgressAction(SiActionType, unsigned short, ByteString const) () #16 0x40ea1105 in SiAgenda::Run(SiCompiledScript, SiInstallSubMode) () from ./libset641li.so #17 0x40f02972 in ThreadExecuter::run() () from ./libset641li.so #18 0x4011be74 in vos::_cpp_OThread_WorkerFunction(void*) () from ./libvos2gcc3.so #19 0x4011be4f in _OThread_WorkerFunction(void*) () from ./libvos2gcc3.so #20 0x40140349 in osl_getTextEncodingFromLocale () from ./libsal.so.3 #21 0x41060c21 in pthread_start_thread () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 #22 0x41060d25 in pthread_start_thread_event () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0
[Cooker] Request: SyncFB module
Hello, In Mandrake 9.1beta3 I noticed that although Xine ships with the SyncFB output plugin, the Mandrake kernel provides no SyncFB module. SyncFB is a driver that gives better (synchronized; less flickery) video output on Matrox G200/G400 cards than Xv. For Mandrake 9.0 and 8.2 I've built this module successfully. I hope that Mandrake can make G200/G400 owners happy and include this module. It can be gotten from http://teletux.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] beta3 OpenOffice troubles
Hello Greg, On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Greg Meyer wrote: When I tried the bundled (nl localized) OpenOffice.org, it would segfault the moment I asked it to display the Albany font (this font is bundled with StarOffice). OpenOffice is very picky about fonts. It might be helpful for you to read this: I think it is safe to assume that the font itself isn't the source of the problem. As I stated already, Sun *bundles this font with StarOffice*, which is essentially the same code as OpenOffice.org. I've also used these fonts without problems in OOo under Mandrake 9.0. If you can come up with more likely explanations, I'm all ears... :-\ regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] question about translations
Hello Nora, On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Nora Etukudo wrote: Is the translation process rolled back every time and started from ground up? No, but the translation work is done on a voluntary basis, and once already translated messages are changed a little bit, they are marked fuzzy and you don't get to see them anymore until someone has gone over it to confirm the correctness. I actually ask because of the errors in the german localisation. Currently there is a thread going on on the MandrakeClub translation forum about the German l10n. I've also cc'ed this message to the cooker-i18n list where translation issues are discussed. tschuess, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] gnome-panel transparency
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, J.A. Magallon wrote: I did that, but as I had the buttons hidden, now I can't delete the panel... Nice 'deadlock'... I asked on the gnome usability list: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 5 15:57:33 2003 Date: 05 Feb 2003 14:53:58 + From: Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Usability]Re: [Cooker] gnome-panel transparency (fwd) On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 10:55, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: Hi, I found this post on the Mandrake Cooker list. Does this usability problem sound familiar to anyone? (Can't test right now :( ) Yeah, I think Mark's decided to make sure that in future, non-edge panels at least a gripper bar now. With edge panels the problem is presumably still apparent, but less so because you can shuffle things around on docked panels a bit to make some space. BTW, there's another way to bring up the panel menu even if there's no space or hide buttons: give focus to anything on the panel, then press Ctrl+F10. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice.org dictionaries
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: It used to be both English and Czech (cs). You have to manually enable it in the Linguistic tab. Wouldn't it be possible (in RPM post processing or something) to automatically enable every installed dictionary? That would save a lot of users lots of frustration. I know, from experience, that even pretty advanced users have difficulty finding the right buttons to click to enable their dictionaries. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossibleto use!
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, HoytDuff wrote: Reinout's comment sounds to me like an excuse to justify his lack of interest and lack of persistence. Or pehaps he just has an argumentative personality or a need to control; it doesn't really matter. I don't like [snip] Perhaps it's a problem with my personality, but I can't seem to grasp what your incoherent comment adds to the discussion at hand. Happy flaming, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossibleto use!
Hello David, On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, David Walser wrote: can switch resolution to 640x480 using mcc, he should be able to revert back using that same tool?! True enough. The fact is though that they can. They can use a different frontend. I'm sorry, but you're missing the point entirely. This is very basic HCI theory: Forgive the user. Let him undo a change easily. See for instance: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/draft_hig/usabilityprinciples.html#forgive-the-user In this case it means that when a user performs operations X, Y and Z to change his screen resolution, he can reasonably expect that the same chain of operations will enable him to change back. In your view, the user is just out of luck and will have to smell somehow that he has to perform operations F, G and H to revert his change. Various suggestions have been done here already to alleviate this problem, I suggest that one of them is chosen (automatic switch to framebuffer mode sounds good to me, but I don't know if that's feasible). 2. Requiring different frontends makes things more complicated than needed, thus putting off users on the one hand, and generating support No, having more frontends has more machines, more people's needs, and more people's tastes and configurations that we can't think of Look, I'm not suggesting to _remove_ the other ways of configuring things, but only to make the way that's most likely to be used by most inexperienced users work WELL. I don't believe that is too much to ask. not, is really easy to program. Adding this neat idea would take a lot more work, and probably isn't worth all of the effort right now. Mandrake has been great in making Linux ready for end users, but to really get there takes effort. *I* think it is worth the effort, do you? (Before you suggest that I submit a patch; I do my share in making sure the Dutch translations of the Mandrake tools are complete and valid). regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossibleto use!
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, HoytDuff wrote: Doesn't the holding Alt- key while grabbing the window allow you to move it around? Awkward, but useful as a workaround. Now, imagine explaining this procedure time and again to desperate users (with different WM's) calling your helpdesk about this? -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossibleto use!
Hello Thierry, On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Thierry Vignaud wrote: making it usuable in 640x480 would mean dropping features in tools. Or redesigning them to be usable in 640x480. I'm not saying this is easy, but I am saying it is necessary. as for tools written interactive, they can be run in text mode, which is the solution for too low resolution boxes. I'm sorry, but from an unexperienced user point of view, this is no solution, but a reason to throw that stupid difficult Linux thing aside. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossibleto use!
Hello David, On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, David Walser wrote: Or redesigning them to be usable in 640x480. I'm not You're being totally unreasonable. If someone's got a I'm sorry that you find me acting unreasonable, I have no such intention. monitor so crappy that they can't even run at 800x600, they use a different frontend to the draktools. At the risk of repeating myself, two points: 1. Being able to run at 800x600 doesn't necessarily mean someone actually uses that resolution. Is it so difficult to see that, as long as a user can switch resolution to 640x480 using mcc, he should be able to revert back using that same tool?! 2. Requiring different frontends makes things more complicated than needed, thus putting off users on the one hand, and generating support requests on the other. It's details like these why reviewers keep saying that Mandrake always has a little unfinished feel about it. are covered by at least one frontend, so nobody can bitch about their machine not being supported. You are effectively saying that a user running at 640x480 should use a different frontend. Then why doesn't launching mcc in a low resolution automatically switch to framebuffer (DrakX) mode to enable the user to change his settings instead of forcing him to find out about the different frontends himself? Are you gonna whine and complain to us when you find Gnome and Evolution unusable on a P133 with 16MB RAM??? I sure hope not. Doesn't mean No, but that's totally besides the point. We're discussing a *configuration tool* here, which almost by definition needs to support the lowest common denominator. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossibleto use!
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, [Bug 1048] wrote: --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-27 14:11 --- there several goal that're incompatibles: there's a tradeoff between having a standalone tool being complete and runnable in YxZ resolution. having the same tool runnable in the same resolution, but embedded in mcc, thus with mcc decoration around plus logdrake to display logs, is quite a lot more tough ... Thierry, I have to emphasize this *is* a very serious problem. Please also read this article: http://mpt.phrasewise.com/2003/01/05#a433 You can't ask of people who are running at lower resolutions (perhaps on older hardware, or whose X configuration didn't succeed) to know the XFdrake command instead of using the control center. It is user unfriendliness to the nth degree. Please reconsider your stance on this, I believe it is really important that the control center can be used in 640x480! regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossible to use!
Hello Gerard, On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Gerard Patel wrote: I have just done a few minutes of search on the Internet, and looking at : http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/gtk/gtkwindow.html Well, you should have spent a few minutes more, because the document you're referring to covers GTK 1.x, and AFAIK Mandrake is now using GTK 2.2 for all of its tools. See http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/GtkWindow.html regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1048] [drakconf] Screen layout makes it impossibleto use!
Hi Gerard, On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, [Bug 1048] wrote: I am not sure you (Reinout) understand how much work it is. Occasionally I do some Java programming and I do appreciate the work that's put into Mandrake's setup tools. But that's hardly any argument- from a users' perspective, it's simply unacceptable that a vital tool like the control center doesn't fit on screen. with most modern screens in 1280x1024 - and look ridiculous. It's not an easy thing to do to sell your stuff when you get ironical or mocking press reports. You will get mocking press reports either way, but at least when you choose the 640x480 option, you don't make the control center unusable for some people. I understand your problem; I am using 800x600 myself, and many It's not *my* problem, but I shudder to think of the frustration this would cause to someone who had accidentally set his screen resolution too low and tries to use the control center to revert it back and finds that he can't do so because the frigging OK button is off the screen... But really, 640x480... From my experience, I'd guess than less than 1% of users are sticking to this resolution. Should Mandrake Say your made up statistics are right. How many estimated Mandrake users are there, two million? Count them, that's 20.000 potentially frustrated users yelling that even when the problem was put to the developers' attention in beta stage, they didn't listen and now we're stuck in 640x480. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Font Problem
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Magnus Holmberg wrote: Since a while agao I can't get Verdana font to work with cooker. (and I cant get drakfont to work eiter) Yesterday it was announced that Bitstream is releasing 10 high quality fonts to the open source community(!) I hope Mandrake can include them. In the resulting /. discussion this link appeared: http://www.cheapskatefonts.com/ Those are fonts under a free license, some of them might be good enough to include as well! -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] man urpmi (french)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, [ISO-8859-1] François Pons wrote: But do not worry too much, generally man pages are updated just before releasing a new distribution (well it could be earlier). It *should* be earlier, if you want to give translators a better chance to update their translations in time. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] How to add new ttf fonts in gnome2 ?
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Yura Gusev wrote: Add them to. /etc/X11/XftConfig Thanks, I needed that too. But is there any good reason why DrakFont doesn't do this for you? regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 and next
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Thierry Vignaud wrote: notification of translators in due time. The way the Gnome Translation Project works, can be used as a model. well, the latest 2 weeks were extremely freezed and during the last week, gc and me posts which strings were changed on cooker-i18n Well, then there's something wrong with the cooker-i18n distribution because I haven't received those mails. Now that you mention it I do see more traffic in the cooker-18n archives than I've actually read. If only I'd known. :) -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Bug confirmations: digital noise / drakconf locale
Hi Frederic, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Frederic Crozat wrote: Could you try adding Option PciRetry true to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (in Device section) and check both drivers ? I have done as you asked, restarted X each time after I unloaded one and loaded another module, but unfortunately it makes no difference to the noise output of esd. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Bug confirmations: digital noise / drakconf locale
Hello Daouda, On 1 Oct 2002, Daouda LO wrote: It was slovenian locale and i answer that it was not reproductible on my machine using locale-sl with localedrake (same with nl locale). It seems that the bug shows when install is done with these locales FWIW, I see the problem as well after an urpmi --auto-select. The last complete install I did was with RC1. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] Bug confirmations: digital noise / drakconf locale
Hello all, I'd like to confirm two bugs that have been reported here before but may have been too vague. 1. When Mandrake 9 is installed in Dutch, drakconf will fail to start. This is a major drawback for Dutch customers and a disappointment for me who put so much effort in translations. :( I found that this problem had already been reported in bugzilla for the 'si' locale on the 9th of August, see https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=51 . 2. esd produces digital noise. I use the snd-via686 (ALSA) driver and in 9.0 any sound played through esd is noise. But there are some more sides of this problem (if it is only one problem indeed): - Xine will only play correct sound when it's specified that it should use oss-output (so in fact uses ALSA's oss emulation layer). With esd-output it will play noise AND go nuts when trying to stop playing (Xine will become unresponsive and has to be killed); with alsa09-output the sound will play very distorted. - Xmms however will play sound fine through its ALSA output plugin; with esd output it is again noise. I didn't find an open bug for this on bugzilla. Shall I create one? -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Bug confirmations: digital noise / drakconf locale
Hi Frederic, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Frederic Crozat wrote: I think it is a bug in sound driver.. Could you try using via82cxxx_audio driver instead of ALSA to see if the problem remains ? No I can't, because if I do then starting GNOME will freeze my computer (bug 236). regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 and next
Hi Leon, On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Leon Brooks wrote: Would a regular (nightly + cumulative weekly?) automated global string diff posted to the i18n list help? I don't think string diffs are very relevant; but posting to the list which packages (are expected to) have string changes and making sure that each translator is subscribed to that list would help already. And like I said; observe a complete string freeze a certain period before final release so that translators have enough time to catch up. Such a string freeze may only be broken after explicit permission from the translations coordinator. my 2 eurocents, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 and next
Hi Alastair, On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Alastair Scott wrote: Seeing something you reported being fixed brings you very close to the software, something you very rarely get with commercial software. That is true; however I have my doubts with the decision to let the deep freeze prevale above fixing a bug which causes a complete system freeze; which involves nothing more than using a different sound driver. (https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=236) I really think bugzilla should be scrapped, for external use at least. The There's already a system in place where not everyone may submit reports in bugzilla. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 and next
Hi Warly, On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Warly wrote: Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing and problem reporting process. From a translator perspective, I'd like to comment that the continuing string changes in the Mandrake tools sometimes are driving me up the wall. Up until this weekend there have been string changes without the translators even being notified in any way (I wonder how many developers know about the cooker-i18n list?). This is making the Mandrake experience a less pleasant to non-English users because they get confronted with mixed english/own language interfaces. To make a long story short: next time I would like to see a string freeze that can only be broken in special cases and with notification of translators in due time. The way the Gnome Translation Project works, can be used as a model. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Horizontal frequency is too high on shutdown in 9.0RC2
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Mik B wrote: I have boot set up to 800x600 and it looks good and pretty. My monitor detected correctly However, on shutdown/restart, frequency is way above 70Khz. Did you install manufacturers' drivers by any chance? I know the G400 drivers from the Matrox site exhibit this behaviour; the default XFree drivers give no such problem. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] mozilla updown
On 19 Sep 2002, Damon Lynch wrote: BTW, is it just me, or do other users get corrupted Arial text on the odd line when scrolling up and down in Mozilla sometimes? I'm kind of I see this all the time, but not on Linux but on Solaris! I guess this is more of a generic problem with X from Mozilla, though I haven't bothered to search bugzilla yet. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] include gallery in the next mandrake release
Hi Luis, On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Luis Alves wrote: It allows users to build their own picture albums web site, with a very easy java interface, that uploads all the pictures your mandrake box where ever you are. The Java part at least won't be included with the download edition because it requires a JRE, and currently there seems to be no good JRE that's under a OSS-license. Maybe you can suggest it to the people at jpackage.org, though. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] (RC1) Gnome: panel; folder sharing
Hello, I observed in RC1 that when I right-click on a launcher in the panel and click Properties, the gnome-panel crashes. The output of .xsession-errors is attached. Furthermore I plead that the updated Dutch translations for gnome-panel be included; they can be got from http://gnome-nl.sourceforge.net/status_gnome2.php The 'Sharing' tab in the properties of a desktop object shows me a message that only folders in my home folder can be shared. However I am looking at the properties of a folder in my home folder. Could this be because I haven't installed samba or something similar? regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc xsession-errors.gz Description: Binary data
Re: [Cooker] Bug Report 9.0(B1-RC1)- Broken Gnome
Following up to my own message: installed RC1 over beta3. Upon launching Gnome2 the system freezes hard. I've looked into this and found that the launch of gnome-settings-daemon is likely the moment that the freeze occurs. I have tracked this down to be (likely) related to the use of the via82cxxx_audio module and I've logged this in bugzilla: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=236 -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Bug Report 9.0(B1-RC1)- Broken Gnome
Hello Brian, On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Brian McNeil wrote: I haven't been able to launch Gnome on Betas 1-4, or RC1. KDE works fine. Both Gnome and KDE worked fine in 8.2 on this system. This is for various install doesn't do this. My system specs are below. Is this a Matrox issue? Just a newby trying to help out, I Epox 7KXA November 13, 2001 bios AMD 700 slot A processer Matrox G400Max Dualhead AGP 2- CTX PL9 crt monitors Your setup is remarkably similar to mine (same mobo, Athlon 600, G400 single head, CTX monitor) and I've experienced the same problem you do. I've seen it twice: once when I installed beta2 over 8.2 and once when I installed RC1 over beta3. Upon launching Gnome2 the system freezes hard. I've looked into this and found that the launch of gnome-settings-daemon is likely the moment that the freeze occurs. Both times however, the problem disappeared and I'm not completely sure what did the trick. The last time I deleted the .gconf* directories in /root and after that it started up fine. This is not a complete explanation because I didn't delete those dirs in my normal user account and there the problem went away as well... Please try deleting the .gconf* dirs and report back if it helped! bye, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] suggestion for systems with VIA sound chips
Hi, Well I be it works! I have an onboard via sound chip that uses the via82cXXX and ac97 kernel modules and sound has always been problematic especially games like RTCW. Now it works fine. It doesn't seem to affect other sound Of course, you could also just ditch the via82cxxx driver and use the ALSA snd-via686 module instead.. :-) -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] RC1 comments
Hi, Some quick RC1 comments: * I selected Dutch as main language but OOo nl l10n wasn't auto-selected nor was it displayed in the tree view. It was only visible in the flat listview. [I used upgrade packages mode, if it makes a difference] * I have a TV card and in Gnome2 the XawTV icon is displayed on top of Nautilus' home icon. BTW I suggest using a different TV app by default (like Zapping). * If I double click a wav-file in Nautilus the Gnome sound recorder will pop up but it doesn't seem to play anything?? regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake maximum informations
Hi, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Peter Ruskin wrote: What do you mean by is not a word? I mean, it's part of the dictionary.. Just remove the final s. There is no plural form for information. All the messages in the drak* -programs need to be proofread by a native english speaker. As a translator I run into very weird sentence constructions and spelling mistakes (dinamic) all the time. [if this is to happen, please do it more than a few days for the final release. Translators do need a little time to update all the fuzzy strings again, you see.] regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 BETA - Bug report / Installation - Mylex raidcontroller
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Alan Shoemaker wrote: Loading sym53c8xx module sym0: 1010-33 rev 0x1 on pci bus 1 device 5 function 0 irq 24 sym0: symbios NVRAM, ID 7 , Fast-80, SE, parity checking I know this problem! I had it in 8.2, reported it to qa and nothing ever happened with it. The sym53c8xx module gets confused when parity checking of the SCSI-adapter is enabled. Disable it in the cards' BIOS and the problems are over. If Mandrake can't solve this in the driver, it should be mentioned in the release notes. bye, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Mount dvd drives to /mnt/dvd not /mnt/cdromX
On 28 Aug 2002, Pixel wrote: ?? xine use /dev/dvd doesn't it? rdvd, if raw devices are enabled. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] GKrellM
Hi, Gkrellm 2.0 (gtk2 port) has been released. Does it still make a chance to be included in 9.0? -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Can Beta 2 be upgraded to Beta 3 ?
Hello, On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Charles A Edwards wrote: Add Cooker and Contrib sites to your urpmi sources. Then use urpmi --auto-select. At this point, even using this method, you are still looking at in excess of 1300 MB in dls. Yep, that's what I just tried. Unfortunately this caused not only a few conflicts with packages that needed libstdc++.so.5 from gcc 3.1 (printer-filters and gnome-games among others) but also caused urpmi to hang and do nothing after a short period of activity. Manually trying to update with RPM hangs RPM in the same way at 34% of preparation. At the moment I'm in textmode trying to resolve dependencies manually and making urpmi behave... grrr... :( -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] 9b2 install report, and drakxtools question
Hello all, Yesterday I upgraded my slightly-cookerized install of M8.2 to M9b2. This didn't go completely trouble-free: - At first try I chose Expert/Upgrade mode. This failed because DrakX told me there wasn't enough free space (/usr had about 500MB free). I don't understand why, just upgrading the packages shouldn't take more then 500MB? - Then I used Expert/new installation mode and told diskdrake to zap /usr and / but to keep the rest of the partitions. This resulted in a problem later, because my /boot partition including all old kernels still existed but the kernel modules that belonged to it were gone. For some reason, DrakX didn't install a new kernel in /boot automatically and the bootloader-install tried to use one of my old kernels, which resulted in a 'mkinitrd failed'. I could boot the system but it would complain about missing modules (duh ;). - After manually installing a new kernel from CD I ran into another problem: whenever I tried to start anything GNOME-related (except for gdm2) the system would freeze hard. There were no clues I could see in the syslog or XFree86 log as to why this happened. Eventually I solved this by deinstalling all gtk/gnome related stuff and urpmi'ng it again from Cooker. - I found that drakboot failed to start up (some error about too many arguments at line 39) so I tried urpmi'ing a new drakxtools. This resulted in the situation where none of the drakxtools will run, not even when I put back the old versions from the beta2 CD. Errors look like this: [root@tocotronic reinout]# drakfont Can't locate loadable object for module Gtk in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /usr/sbin/drakfont line 81 -- Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/drakfont line 81. Reinout van Schouwen Artificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/drakfont line 81. [root@tocotronic reinout]# rpm -qa|grep GTK perl-GTK-GLArea-0.7008-21mdk perl-GTK-Glade-0.7008-22mdk perl-GTK-GdkImlib-0.7008-22mdk perl-GTK-GdkPixbuf-0.7008-22mdk perl-GTK-0.7008-22mdk perl-GTK-Gnome-0.7008-22mdk [root@tocotronic reinout]# drakboot /usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /usr/lib/libDrakX/auto/c/stuff/stuff.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr For completeness, here are some details about my system: Epox 7KXA (VIA KX133 chipset)/Athlon 600MHz 256MB RAM Symbios 875 SCSI adapter Matrox G400 16MB video card Pioneer 103S DVD-ROM drive Philips CDD3600 CD burner Quantum lct 17GB IDE harddisk ZIP 100 drive Realtek 8139 network adapter -- Reinout van Schouwen
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
Hello Pixel, On 10 Aug 2002, Pixel wrote: i think this is mainly a won't fix. X is not really usable in 640x480 As someone with a more-than-average interest in usability, I must frown on this. If your dialog doesnt fit in 640x480, then probably you need to redesign it... Furthermore there can be all kinds of reasons someone is running in 640x480, for instance when he has selected a wrong X server type. Of course, the idea that a window could be larger than the max visible area is completely silly and this shouldnt be possible at all! Hoping you'll reconsider, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] OpenOffice.org-1.0-5mdk
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Oden Eriksson wrote: manage gimp/photoshop in english, but the swedish translations is just so bad, or I'm not used to it... I can't undertand the different options in the menues... Please report translation problems with Gnome-related programs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] mozilla-1.0-0.rc2.1mdk cursor problem
On Mon, 20 May 2002, Jay DeKing wrote: Yes, I've noticed that as well. Very distracting and disorienting. This is not Mandrake's fault. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145267 -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] mozilla-1.0-0.rc2.1mdk cursor problem
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145267
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] mozilla-1.0-0.rc2.1mdk
Hi Gary, On 13 May 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: Is there a set of mozilla RC2 binaries compiled for Mandrake 8.2? http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake8.2/mozilla/ the Mozilla update, but I'm not quite ready to jump them all the way up to the cooker gcc libs. Biggest problem is that the Java plugin doesn't load any more with a gcc3-compiled Mozilla. :-( -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
[Cooker] Rebuilding Xine on 8.2
Hi, I'm trying to rebuild the Cooker Xine 0.9.9 SRPMs on 8.2 with the command 'rpm --rebuild --target athlon xine-lib-0.9.9-1mdk.src.rpm'. The build process stops with this output: Finding Provides: (using /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides)... Finding Requires: (using /usr/lib/rpm/find-requires)... Using BuildRoot: /var/tmp/xine-lib-buildroot to search libs PreReq: rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) = 3.0.4-1 Requires(rpmlib): rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) = 3.0.4-1 Requires: libxine0.9.9 = 0.9.9 RPM build errors: File not found: /var/tmp/xine-lib-buildroot/usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_aa.so I'm not sure what to make of this. Does anyone know what is wrong? -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Re: Rebuilding Xine on 8.2
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Brian J. Murrell wrote: I'm trying to rebuild the Cooker Xine 0.9.9 SRPMs on 8.2 with the command 'rpm --rebuild --target athlon xine-lib-0.9.9-1mdk.src.rpm'. This is not an 8.2 support list. Please go to MandrakeExpert or one of the other support lists. Hello?! I am building *Cooker* RPMs. To me this means I should ask the *Cooker* list a question about it. I'm not asking for ways to run Cooker RPMs on a system with older libraries etc.! -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: Rebuilding Xine on 8.2
Brian, On Sun, 5 May 2002, Brian J. Murrell wrote: Hello?! I am building *Cooker* RPMs. On an 8.2 system. Problems building Cooker RPMs (that build fine on Cooker) on an 8.2 system is not a _Cooker_ development issue. It's an 8.2 support issue. Please refer to a Mandrake support list. I don't agree, and I've been running Mandrake long enough to make a judgement (that you might disagree with) where to ask which question. No. You should ask those supporting 8.2 about it. Of course not. The reverse argument would apply: Xine 0.9.9 isn't part of 8.2 so you are on your own. If anyone is interested in supplying a real answer please do so by personal email. This discussion is no longer relevant to the Cooker list. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Alsa-user] ALSA 0.9.0beta12 unresolved symbols(fwd)
Hi Juan, On 10 Apr 2002, Juan Quintela wrote: Ok, if you took 2.4.18-10mdk, you will see that it is integrated in it Yes, I saw it in the ChangeLog. Thanks!! And yes, it took me almost 3 days to get the thing packaged, it decided to broke after 2/3h compilation, and that is not funny (neither fast). Such are the trials of a kernel packager... at least newer Xine versions will be happy now since they don't support ALSA 0.5 any more. bye, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
[Cooker] Re: [Alsa-user] ALSA 0.9.0beta12 unresolved symbols (fwd)
Forwarding this to the Cooker list. It seems, for the first time in history someone succeeded in making ALSA 0.9 compile on Mandrake! -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:05:44 +0200 From: Frans Ketelaars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Alsa-user] ALSA 0.9.0beta12 unresolved symbols On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:29:40 +0200 Frans Ketelaars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:30:29 +0100 (CET) Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Seeing the many unanswered questions about ALSA 0.9.0beta12 on Mandrake, I think you may want to know that I overcame the version.h problem by replacing the first line in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h with #include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/rhconfig.h (it cost me ~ 2 hours of hacking the configure script, just to discover that the full path to rhconfig.h should be specified :-/ ) Thanks! Worked for me. At least, it looked that way, the driver for my ISA-pnp opl3sa2 soundcard loaded. But later I discovered that only drivers for ISA cards where installed. Today (with a bit of luck :) ) I discovered that the configure script, with your suggested changes in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h, makes the script fail to detect PCI support on my system. I changed /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h back to it's old state! Btw: I'm using Mandrake 8.2. However, after 'make install' At the end 'make install' fails on my system with: - .. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/frans/alsa-driver-0.9.0beta12/synth/emux' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/frans/alsa-driver-0.9.0beta12/synth' /sbin/depmod -a -F /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/build/System.map 2.4.18-6mdk depmod: Can't read /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/build/System.map make: *** [install-modules] Error 1 - Reading 'man depmod' and searching for the -F option it seems System.map isn't located where ALSA expects it :( The 'Can't read /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/build/System.map' problem is solved by making a symbolic link as root with: [root@amd frans]# cd /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/build [root@amd build]# ln -s /boot/System.map before running the ./configure script. and 'depmod -a' I get errors about unresolved symbols in snd.o and snd-seq.o. [root@amd alsa-driver-0.9.0beta12]# depmod -a [root@amd alsa-driver-0.9.0beta12]# So no unresolved symbols here :) And the module snd-opl3sa2 loads (I haven't tested sound yet though, I just installed alsa-driver, nothing else): [frans@amd alsa-driver-0.9.0beta12]$ cat /proc/asound/sndstat Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v0.9.0beta12 emulation code) Kernel: Linux amd.mydomain 2.4.18-6mdk #1 Fri Mar 15 02:59:08 CET 2002 i586 . I tried the default gcc-2.96 as well as gcc-3.04 with march=athlon but still the same. I have a clean 'recommended' install of Mandrake 8.2 and compiled with the default gcc-2.96. I'm running the Athlon-optimized 2.4.18-7mdk kernel from pclinuxonline.com and have the corresponding kernel-source RPM installed. Any suggestions are welcome as I've ran out of ideas for now! Just an idea, I've read that 'unresolved symbols' problems can result from using different compilers for the kernel and the ALSA drivers. And what do you think of the following solution? --- From: Arie Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Alsa-user] Re: Alsa-user] Need help compiling ALSA .9x Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:46:19 -0500 (EST) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems as though for some reason, /usr/src/linux/include is not in the include search path of gcc in Mandrake. I simply went into the ./configure script and modified all the ac_compile and ac_link definitions to include -I/usr/src/linux/include and it worked. This is an ugly hack, but hey, it works ;) Arie Tal - ^ I tried this today and it works :) regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 Btw, I couldn't find your post in the cooker-list archive. HTH and have fun! -Frans Note: I now get (Mandrake 8.2): [frans@amd frans]$ locate snd-emu10k1 | grep /lib/modules/ /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/alsa/snd-emu10k1.o.gz /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1-synth.o /lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.o [frans@amd frans]$ The first and last snd-emu10k1 modules are respectively from ALSA 0.5.12a installed with the Mandrake 8.2 kernel RPM and the newly installed 0.9.0beta12 drivers. At least the modules
[Cooker] drakopt dependency
Hi, Through postings on MandrakeForum I learned of the existance of 'drakopt'. I installed it through urpmi and it didn't complain; however upon running it, it bombed out because hdparm wasn't installed. After installing that it worked fine, however I think a dependency may be missing here. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
Re: [Cooker] Does Mandrake include blinux?
Hello Timothy, On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Timothy R. Butler wrote: (http://www.ofb.biz/article.php?sid=75) who asked if Mandrake supported screen readers for the blind/visually impaired. I seem to remember from my I'm not sure this is helpful, but GNOME2 (due out soon) supports a lot of accessibility features. When it is out I'm sure it'll work on Mandrake as well. -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
Re: [Cooker] ALSA 0.9.0beta12 unresolved symbols
Hi, On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, J.P. Pasnak wrote: #include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/rhconfig.h Not sure, but it could be the tail end of that code that is causing the problem, as it might not match the naming scheme of the Mandrake kernels... I'm not sure what to do with your information. Do you have any idea how I can get rid of those unresolved symbols in the ALSA modules I build? -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
[Cooker] ALSA 0.9.0beta12 unresolved symbols
Hello all, Seeing the many unanswered questions about ALSA 0.9.0beta12 on Mandrake, I think you may want to know that I overcame the version.h problem by replacing the first line in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h with #include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/rhconfig.h (it cost me ~ 2 hours of hacking the configure script, just to discover that the full path to rhconfig.h should be specified :-/ ) However, after 'make install' and 'depmod -a' I get errors about unresolved symbols in snd.o and snd-seq.o. I tried the default gcc-2.96 as well as gcc-3.04 with march=athlon but still the same. I'm running the Athlon-optimized 2.4.18-7mdk kernel from pclinuxonline.com and have the corresponding kernel-source RPM installed. Any suggestions are welcome as I've ran out of ideas for now! regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
[Cooker] double quote
Hello, Since the first 8.2 beta's I haven't been able to type double quotes when my keyboard is in US international mode. I reported this on MF but nobody seemed to have noticed. Is somebody else experiencing this? -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
[Cooker] Re: double quote
Hello Marcel, Yes, setting it to US makes it work fine. US(int) is for Spanish and Portugese and French, where you have to type lots of accents and so. You need to press the Space bar after the quotes-key then. As one of the main Dutch Mandrake translators I know all this already. But Dutch needs accents too now and then. In 8.1 typing twice or typing plus space produced a double quote character, in 8.2 it doesn't anymore. That is why I'm posting. regards, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
Re: [Cooker] Matrox G400 and resolutions
The Matrox driver in XFree86-4 is not as full-featured as the one available from Matrox. Use the official, closed-source Matrox driver unless your Open That may be the case, but when you click the advanced button in DrakX you get to see the other resolutions. As far as I am concerned, 1024x768 and 1280x1024 should also be among the first displayed choices, and the possibility to adjust refresh rate also misses. This still requires manual intervention in XF86Config-4... -- Reinout van Schouwen e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mob/voice : +31-6-44360778 / 084-8750706 VU/WI studiereis naar Ierland! - maart 2002 - www.cs.vu.nl/storm/ierland
[Cooker] 8.2b3: Nautilus weirdness
Hello, After running one full day without any problems, suddenly Nautilus is acting up. It won't draw the desktop icons and background anymore and won't open a filemanager window. It is listed as a running process. Killing it only causes a new Nautilus process to be spawned but makes no difference. I deleted my .gnome, .gconf and .nautilus directories as well as the .drakfw file to start from scratch. The first time everything went ok but upon logging in again the same problem occurs. Rebooting doesn't seem to magically solve this. The only non-default thing I do is that I run icewm instead of sawfish. I don't know where I should look for helpful error messages either. Any suggestions, please? regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mob/voice : +31-6-44360778 / 084-8750706 VU/WI studiereis naar Ierland! - maart 2002 - www.cs.vu.nl/storm/ierland
[Cooker] Re: Will there be user/newbie friendly printer access in Gnome 2?
Hi, On 12 Feb 2002, Damon Chaplin wrote: Will there be a common way to access and configure printers in Gnome 2? 1.) A control-center applet that lets one set up printers, names, drivers, default paper size etc, probably plugin based to accomodate different printing architecures (CUPS, lp, etc) 2.)A way to access stuff that needs to be set per print job (color/BW/grayscale, resolution, ...) directly from the printing dialog of the application. I'd like to see something get into 2.2, though. I think we should make CUPS the preferred method, just as KDE Print does. Let me suggest that you look at PrinterDrake and xpp . Those tools come with Mandrake Linux, are GPL'ed and do almost exactly what is described in the original post. regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mob/voice : +31-6-44360778 / 084-8750706 VU/WI studiereis naar Ierland! - maart 2002 - www.cs.vu.nl/storm/ierland
[Cooker] Zapping Mandrake
[cc to Mandrake cooker mailinglist] Hi Inaki, I've been trying to get zapping 0.6.2 to run on my Mandrake box. There are still some problems that need to be addressed. - in prepare_dist.sh, there is a space missing between /usr/src/RPM and the closing bracket ]. The RPM will only build when this is added. - when trying to install the resulting RPM, rpm complains about a missing liblirc_client.so.0, even when I *have* installed lirc. It just wasn't possible to find it in usable (S)RPM form which I think causes the dependency problem. I installed it the manual way. Isn't it possible to drop the lirc dependency for those who don't have remote controls? - before building Zapping I first had to rebuild the RTE SRPM and install it. I hope this will be added to Mandrake someday (hint). - PNG problems. Now this probably isn't a Zapping problem but it's still causing me headaches. I hope you have an idea what I should do about this. The thing is that in order to be able to install Mandrake Cooker packages it was necessary to remove libpng2 and install libpng AND libpng3, they can coexist. Otherwise PNG images wouldn't work in those packages and these messages would show up on the console: libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.0.12 libpng warning: Application is running with png.c from libpng-1.2.0 but now when I build Zapping 0.6.2 and run it, these messages show up again and the Preferences dialog looks weird! What I have installed is: [root@tocotronic zapping-0.6.2]# rpm -qa | grep png libpng3-devel-1.2.0-3mdk libpng-1.0.8-2mdk libpng3-1.2.0-3mdk hoping this can be solved... regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mob/voice : +31-6-44360778 / 084-8750706 VU/WI studiereis naar Ierland! - maart 2002 - www.cs.vu.nl/storm/ierland
[Cooker] 2.4.12-3mdk and APM
Hi, I'm not a regular subscriber to Cooker so please email me any replies personally. The problem I'd like to report is with kernel 2.4.12-3mdk; the commands 'apm --suspend' or 'apm --standby' don't work right anymore. If these commands are given then my PC (a Via686a-based Athlon 600) briefly switches to suspend, comes back after ~ 2sec. and... *my computer clock is fast-forwarded 2 hours!* piece of my /var/log/messages: Oct 19 02:59:54 tocotronic apmd[5919]: User Standby Oct 19 04:59:57 tocotronic apmd[5919]: Standby Resume after 02:00:03 (-1% unknow n) AC power regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mob/voice : +31-6-44360778 / 084-8750706
